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15121  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Decline of the PS3 Gray Market on: January 02, 2007, 05:35:41 PM
Oooo, I found something that could help with this discussion.  icon_biggrin
15122  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Decline of the PS3 Gray Market on: January 02, 2007, 05:32:46 PM
Hetz, I gotta agree with you on the fact that you didn't bring it up, and after re-reading your posts in this thread, they don't take a _big_ stab at the 360. I think it is safe to say though that people's memories are longer than this thread; I'd just stay away from poking that bear.

Comments like "Xbox360 Defense Force" and "my local Best Buy had a big pile of 360's sitting out in the middle of the floor all season long." are inflammatory. You could state that no water has been drunk since there is more water ready to come out of the tap... it's not a reasonable measurement of consumption, it only shows that the supply line is meeting demand. It's pretty easy to offend people who see that and take it as an insult to their intelligence.

Lets please get back on topic with the point of this thread, or get a little New Years dancing happening... locked

15123  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Decline of the PS3 Gray Market on: January 02, 2007, 05:13:25 PM
I thought this was a topic about grey/gray market PS3 sales and their ebay decline? At what point does a stack of 360's in a B&M shop have to do with the online market for reselling ps3s?

I would comment on my experiences with the PS3 grey market, but clearly that would derail the original posters intention of staying off topic.  icon_wink

Spoiler for -Secret Decoder Ring-:
"Xbox360 Defense force" is code (in Hetz-a-decimal) for people who don't worship at PS3 altar.
15124  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Twighlight Princess or Wind Waker? on: January 02, 2007, 05:04:33 PM
TP has the BEST starting point, IMHO.

It introduces you to your people, your role and your abilities in a way that is easy to pick up.

I found that as soon as I met the orcs and that whole shift happened, I miss the normal game world. I love the art style in both though; the dichotomy between the two has me enjoying the art more than the monotone style set out in Wind Waker.

If anyone wants to talk further than 3 hours into either game, PLEASE use the [ spoiler] [ /spoiler] tags around it. (remove the space for it to work).

KTHX. I don't need fun stuff being ruined by some careless post.
15125  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: GamingTrend Best of 360 - Prelim on: January 02, 2007, 04:06:45 PM
1) Gears of War
2) Rainbow Six : Vegas
3) Enchanted Arms
4) Oblivion
5) Live Marketplace  :icon_eek:
15126  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: GamingTrend Best of Wii - Prelim on: January 02, 2007, 04:02:28 PM
1) Wii Sports
2) Zelda : TP
3) Super Mario Bros.  icon_wink
4) Sonic the Hedgehog
5) Super Castlevania IV *

3 and 4 are the reason I don't get to game that much; the girlfriend is addicted to the classics.  Roll Eyes

5 for making me realize how much I suck at classic gaming. I used to own that game, now it apparently owns me.  saywhat
15127  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: GamingTrend Best of PC - Prelim on: January 02, 2007, 03:58:29 PM
HL2:Ep1 (would have been higher if it was longer)
Titan Quest
15128  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Decline of the PS3 Gray Market on: December 30, 2006, 02:14:03 AM
Like the Wii. It was selling for 650CAD (retails for 289) 4 days before xmas.
15129  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist- The final one for 2006! on: December 29, 2006, 09:27:01 PM

Quote from: Purge on December 29, 2006, 09:24:46 PM

Sad thing is in coop I'm pretty damned good I can hold my own in Insane mode

Fixed. The previous iteration looked cocky. That I am not.  icon_biggrin
15130  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist- The final one for 2006! on: December 29, 2006, 09:24:46 PM

Quote from: depward on December 29, 2006, 09:08:59 PM

Quote from: Farscry on December 29, 2006, 06:25:36 PM

Quote from: Purge on December 29, 2006, 05:46:40 PM

hopefully some coop Gears with ATB or BeerGoogles.

Hey, if you guys do any Gears and want to toss me an invite if I'm around, feel free. If I'm up for it I'd be happy to join in. icon_biggrin
Same - would like to play with the both of you!

good! I'm tired of saving ATB.  icon_wink

Sad thing is in coop I'm pretty damned good; in DM I'm about as an effective combatant as a duck decoy.  icon_evil I HATE chainsaw fights... I always lose em.
15131  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The 'no receipt' return. Ethical or Theivery on: December 29, 2006, 08:16:38 PM
Actually, Adolf used to be a street-artist, and he regularly stabbed friends and peers in the back.

Oh, and he screwed people over on I think he might have invented evil, and trademarked it.
15132  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist- The final one for 2006! on: December 29, 2006, 05:46:40 PM
hopefully some coop Gears with ATB or BeerGoogles.

Some Wii Sports and a healthy dose of Zelda TP.

Maybe some Enchanted Arms. Damn that game is good.
15133  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Saddam to Be Excuted this Weekend on: December 29, 2006, 05:44:27 PM

Quote from: Scoop20906 on December 29, 2006, 03:34:55 PM

The hanging is going to be televised?

Bah, catch it on YouTube.
15134  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The 'no receipt' return. Ethical or Theivery on: December 29, 2006, 05:42:52 PM

Quote from: Devil on December 29, 2006, 05:20:14 PM

That's cool, Purge!

Now you can put "Occasional Theif" on your resume! Not sure if it's an actual job so you just might want to list it under "Other Skills".


Relevant Skillsets, more likely, if I were to apply for a job with Revenue Canada (Canadian IRS).
15135  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The 'no receipt' return. Ethical or Theivery on: December 29, 2006, 05:35:21 PM
What frame of reference are you going with? how long have YOU lived? I'm assuming we're not going back to the righteous pillaging and looting of the Crusades here.

As to the second retailer, they have taken back goods at a price they sell it, therefore WORST CASE scenario is that they break even. BEST CASE scenario is that they make money. (with the profit margins on the other products I use the credit on, coupled with the likelyhood that I will buy at least slightly more than the credit amount).

Theft doesn't mean what you think it means. Let me help. I think you were looking for this word. And yes, it is. Were I to tell them I got it somewhere else and am returning it there, they would refuse the return. By providing information that I am not certain as to where it was purchased (gift return) the ambiguity is open enough for them to accept the return and provide the store credit.

This is the only questionable act in the transaction.

As to your second thief comment, see above for proper use. The money was neither claimed, not was it outstanding balance from a transaction (I asked the store clerk).

I have no problems taking advantage of policy from a store using one of the most minor uses of "fraud" or "deceit" when they can send me fraudulent claims of "sale" (def'n 4) prices 3 times a week when they are their regular prices.

With reference to media, you're telling me that "in the ambiguous past" (clearly your frame of reference) you have noted that media coverage was higher than it is today? Where is your evidence to show that more stuff isn't being brought to the forefront of media coverage? How are we shutting down the lines of communication so that information is less freely accessible when it comes to global and local news?

With regards to Winnipeg's crime rates, let me just reach into the interweb and find a questionable resource. For frame of reference, here is a similar one for Canada. Oh, I could give you news articles from the local media, but I doubt you have an account with them. Feel free to question this all you'd like.

And Devil, it would be "Parttime deceiver" or somesuch. biggrin
15136  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: FS: One box of shit. on: December 29, 2006, 05:15:02 PM
all PC games?
15137  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Twighlight Princess or Wind Waker? on: December 29, 2006, 05:14:00 PM
The thing that had me quit WW the first time was that one dungeon in the TriForce hunt where there was a room of about 8 "grabby-hands" guys.

I musta been transported back to the beginning of that dungeon 2 dozen times before I called it quits.
The second time around I got almost to the triforce hunt, and then sold my GC. I still have WW and the bonus disc though, and I just got a Wii for christmas so I'll need to find a wavebird and hook it up.

Is there an option to just use the Wii controller instead?
15138  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The 'no receipt' return. Ethical or Theivery on: December 29, 2006, 05:04:11 PM

Quote from: LoneStarSpur on December 29, 2006, 04:57:16 PM

Quote from: Purge on December 29, 2006, 04:42:15 PM

I am the destroyer of all things colorful and the devourer of souls.
At least you're honest about it.  icon_biggrin

I may be a pit of moral depravity, but I'm no liar.  nod
15139  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The 'no receipt' return. Ethical or Theivery on: December 29, 2006, 04:42:15 PM

Quote from: Crux on December 29, 2006, 03:12:50 PM

And people wonder why the world is getting more and more fucked up every year. It's all the people who are eager to see things in shades of gray to excuse their own wrong behavior.

 saywhat You mean 100 years ago was better than today? What has degraded? Child abuse? Domestic abuse? Equality? Womens rights? Crime? Corruption?

Yep, all the evils of the world were invented in the last 100 years.

No, the only thing that has changed about the world is that everything is broadcast. Media coverage shines its light everywhere in a way that casts the largest shadows. In my city crime is DOWN, not up, and people feel that crime is at an all-time high simply because more of it is reported.

In the example cited above, I took advantage of their policy. In doing so, they lost no money on me, but gained.

I am the same person who found 20bux lying on the counter at a Rogers Video and went to find who it belonged to as it wasn't mine. I'm not taking anything out of pocket. I am also willing to get new credit cards at lower interest rates and transfer balances every 3 months (when the low interest expires). This is ALSO taking advantage of a companies policy.

I am corrupting people and destroying the fabric of morality everytime I analyze a situation and objectively determine advantage. I should be in jail; I am clearly an opportunist and would steal if I could get away scot-free. As long as small reasonable steps are taken, I could even be convinced to kill someone if I could get away with it, as long as there was profit in it.

I am the destroyer of all things colorful and the devourer of souls. Stand ye back; lest my aura corrupt thine soul and damn you to an eternity of unblinking terror and visceral torments unspoken.

Couldja pass me the nachos?

... thanks.  icon_lol
15140  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The 'no receipt' return. Ethical or Theivery on: December 29, 2006, 02:25:12 PM
Oh, and I'm not pulling this every day or week. Once a year, tops. Like I stated, their policies prevent abuse. This is about as unethical as calling in sick cuz you don't feel up to dealing with work for that one day. :shrug: In my current job I've not done that, (been here 5 years) but in my last job that came up monthly.  nod I hate's me some public tech support from AT&T RoadRunner/WorldNet, yo.
15141  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The 'no receipt' return. Ethical or Theivery on: December 29, 2006, 02:16:56 PM

You buy something from the store and 20 minutes later they drop the price. Do they run to you and give you your money back?

The policies prevent abuse of the system. I doubt Santa's gonna chew me out for returning a re-sellable item to a B&M store who is going to turn around and sell it for exactly how much I paid for it. If you win a car and sell it for the money, is it unethical to do so? The cost at which you obtained your product is irrelevant to the amount a retailer with said policy values the product. Buy low, sell high. Also, since it's instore credit, the "money" you get back is going right back into their pockets.

Here's an example : was selling GoW and CoD3 (360) for ~80US one day only. I buy both online with instore pickup. I then go to Wal-Mart to return them, and they give me full retail for both games. I now have a gift card of ~120US, and they have 2 unopened games that go onto the shelf. They sell them at retail, and lose no money at all.

I now have a gift card. I buy an alarm clock, some food and another game, each of which has a markup that would normally net them profit. Since there's ~40 in "unethical credit" this eats away at their profit (in this case that doesn't happen, there is very little room for markup on games. The products I bought have larger profit margins and net them some money). The only people who lost money is BB for selling the games at that price; I have no moral obligation to them as it was THEIR price.

I get 3 wal-mart fliers every goddamned week. Do you know how many times I've been in walmart in the last year? 3 times. 3. Once to return the games, once to spend most of what was on that card and the last trip to finish the card, and spend another 50-60 bux over and above that.

How much do their ads cost them, and how effective was it for them to get me as a consumer? Their policy brought me to their store, and made me a customer. Am I going to frequent there? No. If I recieve a gift that has no reciept and they carry it, they will however get some of my money.

I take no pride in doing this; and I have to admit it didn't feel like I was on moral high-ground; given that they don't hurt because of it and it's their calculated policy and have it in place leaves me in a place where I don't feel any shame for doing it. I am not shoplifting or working outside their policies.

I would like to point out in this example that I sought out the benefit and perhaps that is ethically reprehensible (still feeling no shame though  icon_wink); had I recieved an unwanted gift and didn't know where the gift originated from I would have been on moral high-ground to bring it there; they are gaining profit on a gift that had already fed someone's profit margin in another location. Since they are giving it to me at THEIR sell value, not MSRP, there is no risk from their perspective.
15142  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer Trailer #1 on: December 29, 2006, 01:49:33 PM

Quote from: CrayolaSmoker on December 29, 2006, 01:41:57 PM

Quote from: Lockdown on December 29, 2006, 12:57:27 PM

Quote from: DarkEL on December 28, 2006, 09:27:19 PM

Okay going back to the trailer. Does anyone know the basic plot of the movie?


The basic plot of this movie is that Jessica Alba is in it.

Though you can't see her for 90% of her screentime.  icon_wink

Damn. I wish her character was the  drool Invisible garment Woman.
15143  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Hooking up my consoles on: December 29, 2006, 01:26:48 PM
Pioneer VX1016TX (it's 1016 fer sure, I don't recall the order of the letters) has component switching, and it's a high-current amp. It's a sweet stereo; but you'd be looking down the barrel of 400bux.

I have the 1015 at home. biggrin

I've posted a few pics for the benefit of the VGA hookup and sharing computer pictures. The Scenario 3 is the best fit, IMHO.

The teal represents alternative options for each.

Scene1 : use your "line in" on your soundcard for the 360; use existing output to get sound. The only downsides are that your PC will need to be on, and any engine noise or sounds from the PC (such as MSN messenger) may detract from gaming/movies.
Teal represents using optical output to PC only if card has it.

Scene2 : use a y-splitter instead of the "line in" on your soundcard. This negates the engine noise and the need for your PC to be on. This isn't best practice hooking two signals up to one output though. I personally wouldn't do it, but it is a cheap work-around.
Teal represents just swapping the earphone from one to the other rather than having a splitter.

Scene2 : use something like a CVS880 (e-retails for ~30US). This device has 3 inputs (yellow) and two parallel outputs, so you could push sound out to two outputs if you wanted to. The only downside (besides slightly higher cost) is the need to have the box accessible to move the manual switch. That means all of your connections are visible. I'd recommend mounting it under your desk so that you can reach it from the sitting position but no one sees the cables. YMMV
Teal represents being able to use it to output to two different speakers/headphones.

Also, the CVS880 can be used as a component switching box; the only problem is the presentability and need to be able to move the manual switch on it.

I would recommend a different component switcher unless you're hard up for cash.

use places like to get your cables cheap.

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15144  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer Trailer #1 on: December 29, 2006, 01:19:45 PM
15145  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Twighlight Princess or Wind Waker? on: December 29, 2006, 01:18:28 PM
Did you ever notice one of the tunes that WW uses is the same tune as the Duracell battery commercials?  saywhat

I hated that.
15146  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: AACS (HD-DVD Encryption) Cracked on: December 28, 2006, 08:54:36 PM

Quote from: Destructor on December 28, 2006, 06:05:11 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on December 28, 2006, 05:55:21 PM

Quote from: Destructor on December 28, 2006, 05:23:49 PM

It's done with generating WinXP cd-keys - why won't they keep doing it again this way?
Incidentally, those Keygens have not worked since XP SP2.

I have a few friends who will tell you otherwise. Yes, Microsoft has put in a new check against their online database of CD-keys, but you just have to put in a downloaded .dll file to make WinXP think you've already 'verified' your installation of XP.

IIRC, that breaks as soon as you do something that involves the new MS verification step that occurs with much of their software(IE7, intellipoint/intellitype etc).
15147  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: AACS (HD-DVD Encryption) Cracked on: December 28, 2006, 04:48:54 PM
15148  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Gerald Ford Has Died on: December 28, 2006, 04:30:54 PM
Gerry will always be remembered for NOT being Nixon.

As far as socialist Russia goes, the haves and have-nots still exist; the ratio was just worse. When it comes down to it, communism is never a threat; only the differing ideals and the zealot nature to change that which is different is a "threat". Xenophobe isn't just a bad video game. frown
15149  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gears of War Broken? on: December 28, 2006, 01:45:38 PM
Unlikely. Achievements get applied to your profile, regardless of online status.

It is more likely that the game goes online as you can invite people to your game. It would be easier to have the game always assume online status than to program it to differenciate from a SP game rather than a potential coop game. (I've never tried inviting someone whist playing an SP game; I believe it is identical as you get a "tutorials will no longer run" message when the coop person joins in though).

It would stand to reason that the coop game (select mp / coop / private live) is identical to going into single player campaign as far as the game is concerned.
15150  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: GoW MP Friday/Saturday December 22/23 10 PM EST on: December 27, 2006, 08:19:14 PM
Calvin, here's a fair indicator of messages waiting ...  icon_wink

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15151  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Know What's Great About Xbox Live? on: December 27, 2006, 07:49:59 PM
Forcebane, you are awesome.
SensousLettuce, thanks for the coop match last night. I'm tired today though... it's a good thing everyone ELSE at work is as tired as I am. biggrin
15152  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer Trailer #1 on: December 27, 2006, 07:31:48 PM

The Tick parodied him with Nigh-Omnipotous; so did Sam and Max with "Lactose the Intolerant".

Galactus is the sole survivor of the Universe's "big crunch". There are objects that have buffed heros / villians to be able to take on Galactus; the infinity gauntlet and the cube are two such objects. The Beyonder is probably the strongest "normal sized" person with the ability to defeat Galactus. All of my opinions, however, were formed from my knowledge of the Marvel Universe about 3 years after the Infinity Gauntlet/Infinity War saga.
15153  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Got a Wii for Christmas, now what? on: December 26, 2006, 09:05:05 PM
The GF had convinced me to sell my brothers Wii ( the one that a few GT members had expressed interest in) to one of her old friends as she was looking for one for her hubby.

As it turns out, they had found one, but my gf kept up the story and wrapped that lil' bastard up for ME!

Totally blindsided; she's a conniving little... angel.  disgust

 icon_biggrin Best. Christmas gift from a gf. Ever.

It's not just the object, it's the nature of manipulation that still makes me grin from ear-to-ear.
15154  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Know What Sucks about Achievements? on: December 26, 2006, 08:38:29 PM

Quote from: ATB on December 26, 2006, 04:42:04 PM

If you try a demo of an arcade game it goes into your record and says you have 0 of 200 achievement points.  I mean that's stupid.  Why does it track demos as a game you've played?

Also, anyway to remove that from the records?

don't MOST of your games you've played have 0 Achievement points?  :slywink:
15155  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Merry Christmas Gaming Trend!!! on: December 24, 2006, 01:30:55 AM
happy Ho-Ho-Ho!
15156  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Platform Threads on: December 22, 2006, 04:28:13 PM
I have created a couple threads for the two major conflict topics.

I am hoping people are mature with their participation, the CoC always applies.

Handheld head-to-head thread
Next-Gen head-to-head thread
15157  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / [Head2Head] HandHeld Platform VS Thread (GBA,DS,PSP) on: December 22, 2006, 04:24:52 PM
This is an old one, but a classic conflict topic that sometimes derails other threads.

I've created this thread to give it a home so it can stop coming up elsewhere.

Any new developments? I haven't bought either yet; I'm considering one for my birthday in 6 months or so.

Is DS > or < PSP?
15158  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / [Head2Head] Next-Gen Console Platform VS Thread (PS3,360,Wii) on: December 22, 2006, 04:21:08 PM
This is about PS3, Xbox360, Wii.

Pro's and cons discussion. New ideas? Who you think will win.

Upward, downward trend discussion.

Just cuz we have a thread doesn't mean we shouldn't be nice to each other, or respectful.

I don't want this thread to get derailed by people trying to do what they perceive to be damage control; this is the discussion that keeps coming up and this thread is DEDICATED to that discussion.


I see 360 gaining momentum in this gen, but they are gonna have to introduce tactical price drops and bigger hard drives before xmas 07 to keep climbing into the big-boy seat. I'd love to see MS offer a 2.5" (or even a 3.25") 360 HD bay that you can mount your own harddrive in, and have the 360 format it and recognize it.

As to PS3, they need some killer 1st and 2nd party games to get people to ignore the costs. Once they're on the shelves regularly we'll see how things fare. I see myself getting one early 2008.

I think market hype is pushing the Wii out the door, and that's not a bad thing. They need to keep coming up with hits though; I think it's looking to be the everyman of the console game. Look at how far "everyman" status took Harrison Ford.  icon_smile

Fuck it. Bye.
15159  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Platform Threads on: December 22, 2006, 04:09:50 PM
I suggest rather than forbidding it, to build a fence around it.

Right now it's a discussion that keeps derailing the POINT OF THE THREADS.

So I'mma gonna make a thread for it, and if someone derails another thread with this crap it can be shunted over to the right one.

I'll post links here.
15160  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: Viva Pinata and College Basketball 2K7 (360) - $29.99 at BB on: December 22, 2006, 03:56:56 PM
Hey. I thought we were gonna co-op on RS:V, ATB. Why aren't you picking it up?  saywhat
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