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121  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 10, 2014, 07:23:33 PM

Quote from: gellar on January 10, 2014, 06:25:51 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on January 10, 2014, 05:14:13 PM

I think the biggest mistake with their initial required-online approach was going for it while we're still in a weird hybrid zone of disc and digital distribution.  If they wanted it to be online-only, they should have just gone full-bore and release a console with no disc drive.  People raised eyebrows at Apple when they started releasing laptops with no disc drive, but it didn't take much to realize that just about everything was available via digital distribution.

Having no disc drive would mean they'd be mocked for having no ability to play blu-ray movies compared to the PS4, but if they set up a good digital distribution model I think there'd be a good chance of being looked at as being more forward-thinking.  Unless it's just too early for digital-only, which maybe it is.  But I do think online-only and disc-free go hand in hand.  Nobody's going to bat an eye if Steam boxes are online-only with no disc drive, and so it could have been with the Xbone.  

I think the games are too large to really make that feasible for the majority of the market. If you went full bore no disk drive, you'd drastically lower your total addressable market to those who could download 30GB in a reasonable timeframe.

I'm all for digital distribution. The only physical next gen games I have are the games I got at launch with the PS4. The last three purchases have been downloaded and I'm quite happy to keep going that way.

This.

Thing is, with it being an all-in-one, you'd want to be able to play older media (DVD, BD, CDs) regardless, so a drive was necessary. Whether games were disk-based was likely due to bandwidth/data cap concerns.

In my gaming experience, I now detest getting up to switch disks. I want to play my games, as is. I kind of resent Sony's use of the fear of change to hinder us moving away from ownership-based-on-disk model. In that regard I might be excited for something like PS Now. Problem is, there are only a handful of games I'd be interested in playing at this point (from the last-gen).
122  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 10, 2014, 04:58:24 PM
FWIW, I thought it funny not because of the incongruent nature of the comparison, but that the marketing and management of the Xbox brand could be seen to make such a false comparison.

Being a PS4 thread, I didn't want to derail this thread further.

As I've always said : Pre-180 plans were flawed in that:

a) the heartbeat / always on was stupid and/or far too restrictive. People want/need offline mode. Steam does it well.
b) the Kinect-to-always-be-connected was wrong. People will simply use it or not. As games use it better, people will leave it connected.
c) To facilitate trading in your license key, simply (as Hark pointed out) force that the console is online at the time of trade so the license can be revoked (or have a function to put the game into "pending trade" state on your account, and get a validation key that the store can use to complete the transaction).

PS Now is a fantastic product concept - whether it's too restrictive (Sony-only TVs, tablets, phones, hand-held/ set-top consoles) may render it's adoption to a limited audience.
123  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 10, 2014, 04:31:26 PM

Quote from: Caine on January 10, 2014, 04:11:08 PM

that we should all drive less?  or that the road not traveled on is better and we should somehow all be playing Atari Jaguar X's?

Tongue


in all seriousness, this is how MS should have handled the online aspects from the start.  I believe that the launch situation would have been much better had they started with the vision they have now, rather than go through the retractions and ill will generated early on. 

this is how I would have phrased it from day 1:
Here's a kick-ass gaming platform that plays all the new games at higher resolutions and with more detail than before.  when connected to the internet, you'll be given the option to tie in your games to your system and go with a fully installed game or download complete from the store. 

if you add on the improved Kinect, you'll be able to fully unlock the capabilities with integrated voice commands, full video Skype chat and headset-less online chat.  Plus, you'll get a free 6-month subscription to a regularly updated fitness program and exclusive games and gameplay integration. 
I think this fits here:

124  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Weekend Playlist -- 1/10/14 on: January 10, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
Gotta finish up Skylanders, Halo: Spartan Assault on XB1.

I may indulge in some Steam gaming, but looking at the weather, I'll likely be outside more than inside (my 9yr old is an outside-kid, and he'd be heartbroken if we didn't go skating and tobogganing).
125  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XB1/Windows 8] Project Spark on: January 10, 2014, 03:57:23 PM
I got an invite about a week ago. Haven't had much time in it, but I did go through the tutorial world.
126  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Release Day Calendar on: January 10, 2014, 03:53:28 PM
I just use GameFAQs if I want to look forward.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/xboxone/releases/region-1
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps4/releases/region-1
http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/releases/region-1
127  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 10, 2014, 01:13:43 PM
I miss CeeKay already. Plus, I'm catching up on post counts. (just another bajillion to go!) frown


Daycare application form for an 11month-old girl:
128  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 10, 2014, 03:22:34 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 09, 2014, 11:28:28 PM

Quote from: Purge on January 09, 2014, 06:29:59 PM

Many would be wrong, then. PC's rival (and can surpass) the experience of their own flagship. Additionally, with full DS4 support, it would eliminate the need to have a PS4. They do not want this - phones and tablets are an entirely different tactile experience and do not offer the precision or control that you'd otherwise expect.

This is the exact reason why Windows 8.0 sucked balls on anything other than a touchscreen interface (and is a far larger market test that would indicate why this is a bad idea).

Also, hopping onto a tablet to play a controller-based game with the same control elements? That's where Vita would make more sense (as it is basically a controller). Perhaps for some simpler games with only a few buttons, but even a PSone had more buttons than I'd want to deal with on a tablet with a touch interface.

Try Halo: Spartan Assault on a tablet / touchscreen interface. Using a controller is FAR more effective, and means you're not struggling with controls. As a consumer, I'm not interested in struggling with controls.

I think you're missing what this is.  The tablets will be a screen only.  You will be using your DS3 to play the games.  It will not be touchscreen.  

Also, the unit isn't doing the processing.  It's a means of delivery.  It seems to be Sony's intention to get that delivery everywhere.  A PC screen is just another one (if they do it eventually).  PS Now is like the Netflix of older Playstation games.

Having read up on it, I am now informed. I never thought the device was processing though - don't know where you got that impression. I was more than well aware of the concept of streaming earlier in this thread. Tongue

DS3, limited to (TVwise) the Bravia line. Are tablets and phones also limited to Sony line products? Also, I'm glad they're focusing on the PS3 content first. As much fun as some of the older games may be, they're not going to sell the wow to users with blocky PS1 games. I seem to remember them saying Gaikai is focused on "key games" - so they set my expectation at having well-received games being made available (first, at least).
129  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 09, 2014, 08:17:21 PM
Yes, but they haven't made their entire 360 Library available on PC. Also, PC gaming is (for the most part) a Windows platform.

I'm not saying it won't happen, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
130  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 09, 2014, 06:29:59 PM
Many would be wrong, then. PC's rival (and can surpass) the experience of their own flagship. Additionally, with full DS4 support, it would eliminate the need to have a PS4. They do not want this - phones and tablets are an entirely different tactile experience and do not offer the precision or control that you'd otherwise expect.

This is the exact reason why Windows 8.0 sucked balls on anything other than a touchscreen interface (and is a far larger market test that would indicate why this is a bad idea).

Also, hopping onto a tablet to play a controller-based game with the same control elements? That's where Vita would make more sense (as it is basically a controller). Perhaps for some simpler games with only a few buttons, but even a PSone had more buttons than I'd want to deal with on a tablet with a touch interface.

Try Halo: Spartan Assault on a tablet / touchscreen interface. Using a controller is FAR more effective, and means you're not struggling with controls. As a consumer, I'm not interested in struggling with controls.
131  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: on: January 09, 2014, 05:36:59 AM
Tried redeeming it on steam?
132  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: on: January 09, 2014, 05:30:13 AM
I doubt that PC streaming is going to happen. It was mentioned earlier, but the Sony info doesn't indicate that they're planning on PC streaming. Frankly it would cannibalize their own hardware divisions.
133  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 10 Years of ConsoleGold/GamingTrend!!! on: January 08, 2014, 06:21:03 PM

Quote from: Jimmy the Fish on January 08, 2014, 06:06:02 PM

I wonder if anyone archived any of the old Gone Gold web content. It would be kind of a kick to see some of that stuff again for old times sake.

This?
134  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 08, 2014, 06:18:21 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on January 08, 2014, 05:08:51 PM

Quote from: Lee on January 08, 2014, 04:41:10 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on January 08, 2014, 02:38:59 PM

Yeah, parts of reddit are not for the squeamish.

And very easily avoidable.

Fair enough, I am not pushing the site by any means, since the comments often make you feel like it's mostly college aged kids. I am just surprised people here don't seem to read it.

The curated sets of pictures I see here and on the OO thread are plenty for my silly internet picture needs, so I've never really felt driven to seek more out.  Plus, I stumbled on some pretty disturbing stuff using that livejournal pic searcher this thread started with, so I like having a layer of GT/OO filtering between me and the wild wild internet.

This.
135  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC/360/XB1]Respawn's Titanfall on: January 08, 2014, 04:39:06 PM
No ... I mean that your mech can function without you (guard mode, follow). The explanation of the Titans was that they are like your "mount" - no one can steal them, and they have limited independent capability. I suppose a use for that could be that the entire team park their mechs at their flag on guard mode and go raid the other camp.

Distance limitation is a question. So is what happens to your mech when you're killed outside it.

I don't know how the team AI works (whether they're pilots or "grunts").
I'd like to know if they are in addition to the 6v6 or if they're placeholders for smaller matches.
136  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC/360/XB1]Respawn's Titanfall on: January 08, 2014, 03:57:07 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on January 08, 2014, 03:53:11 PM

I believe he's referring to the limit on calling them in.  There seemed to be a lockout in one of the gp vids that you can only have one called in every so often so you might be waiting for a 'drop window' to open to get yours.

As soon as a match starts, everyone's timer begins on getting their Titan to fall. If you are doing better, you get "bumped" in the queue and your mech comes down faster.

After every death (or destruction of your mech) your next mech is put in queue to be made - and performance will determine if you get bumped again.

I expect Hark and Kato to be willing to toss mechs into the fray 'cuz they have their own dedicated drop ship.
137  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4, XB1, PC] Evolve (from Turtle Rock) on: January 08, 2014, 02:21:21 PM

Quote from: Turtle on January 08, 2014, 01:10:25 PM

[...] Giants: Citizen Kabuto, which will have some similarities.

This is the first thing I thought of. Loved playing the Kabuto in LAN games, eating sheep and getting bigger, then swatting helicopters down and nabbing pilots. I also enjoyed running around with some of the players impaled on my spikes - they don't die right away, so they got kind of a twitch gaming experience (IIRC).

Thing is, there were two different races for the non-monster, and that was part of the fun of that game.
138  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC/360/XB1]Respawn's Titanfall on: January 08, 2014, 02:13:52 PM
3v3 would be disappointing.
 
6v6? That's 12vs12 potential, and half of those are full-sized mechs. If there's stuff to shoot at, I'm good with that - plus with all the agility of a pilot, there is a lot of ground to cover. Overcrowded games don't necessarily make for fun times either.

I like that additional AI is included. It could eliminate the bottom 20% being bored with dying constantly.


Turtle, you say you're sure it's hardware related. Care to expand on that?
139  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: on: January 07, 2014, 09:15:06 PM
I'd drop in processor over video card ram.

Or, this is the universes was of saying "Build!" slywink
140  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XB1/PS4/PS3/360/PC]Battlefield 4 on: January 07, 2014, 07:39:59 PM
... holding out for Titanfall. Not gonna buy this one AGAIN. (as I traded it back in, no charge)
141  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 10 Years of ConsoleGold/GamingTrend!!! on: January 07, 2014, 07:38:26 PM
2004 was the drama-year IIRC when we moved over off Rich`s server(s) and the forum was rebuilt on SMF. Could be mistaken, but that`s why you see those dates instead of earlier.
142  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 10 Years of ConsoleGold/GamingTrend!!! on: January 07, 2014, 05:56:17 PM
Yeah, I`m thinking 2001 for the site. Don`t recall when I joined the forum, but I was for sure involved with the site in 2002. I reviewed KOEI`s Crimson Sea. I also went to E3 with CG back in 2003.
143  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The 201X Health Improvement Thread on: January 07, 2014, 05:47:15 PM
Well, I was 254. This morning I weighed into the weightloss challenge at 248.6 (down from 254).
144  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Old man winter sucks. on: January 07, 2014, 05:44:42 PM

Quote from: Rowdy on January 07, 2014, 03:47:07 PM

A friend and I often have a friendly debate about who has the worst winter - Edmonton (me) or Winnipeg (him).  I secretly think that Winnipeg has it worse.  Even though you guys are further south, the humidity and the wind off the lake probably pushes it over the edge.  At least in Edmonton it truly is a 'dry' cold most of the time.  (with the exception of all the bizarre freezing rain we're getting this year...)

We've got Sam Katz who only looks better as a person when standing beside Mayor Ford, higher taxes, and I think your city has less vagrant population in the downtown (though I could be wrong).

Winnipeg sits at 24.6 deg Celcius mean average using these measurements.
Edmonton is 34.8 by comparison.

Other major cities (capitals):

Ulaan-Baatar (Mongolia) 29.7F/-1.3C
Astana (Kazakhstan) unavailable
Moscow (Russia) 39.4F/4.1C
Helsinki (Finland) 40.1F/4.5C
Reykjavik (Iceland) 40.3F/4.6C
Tallin (Estonia) 40.6F/4.8C
Ottawa (Canada) 41.9F/5.5C

For those not from Canada, both Edmonton and Winnipeg are the provincial capital for Alberta and Manitoba (respectively).

http://www.worldclimate.com/


For reference our summer months look like this:

May    Jun    Jul    Aug   Sep    
11.3    16.8    19.6    18.2    12.4     (Winnipeg)
11.0    14.5    16.9    15.6    10.5     (Edmonton)
13.3    15.8    18.2    18.0    15.6     (Seattle)


We climb higher and dip lower when it comes to temp.
145  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: MLB2k series is finished on: January 07, 2014, 02:46:54 PM
But... but... it's BASEBALL.

/Flees back to Canuckistan, locking the door (and the Toronto Blue Jays) behind him.
146  Gaming / Portable Gaming & Apps / Re: Bravely Default coming to North America on: January 07, 2014, 02:44:01 PM

Quote from: Gratch on January 07, 2014, 12:47:04 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on January 07, 2014, 12:12:16 PM

Streetpass Mode is when you leave your game running and the wireless antenna on, but close the lid on the 3DS.  The idea is that as you carry your 3DS around throughout the day, you will pass near enough to other people who also have a suspended 3DS in their pockets that the systems will ping each other and unlock special stuff.

In the context of Bravely Default, the additional takeaway is that building time passes while the system is in suspend mode, but not while it's off.

-Autistic Angel

Ah, thanks.  Even if I did carry it around for some reason, the chances of me crossing paths with another person who even owned a DS - much less had one on and in their pocket - are exactly zero.  smile

Go to E3.
147  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Old man winter sucks. on: January 07, 2014, 02:43:10 PM

Quote from: Kagath on January 07, 2014, 02:23:11 PM

Quote from: Purge on January 07, 2014, 02:07:13 PM

I live in Winnipeg, so yeah. We stop complaining about the cold in November.

Sunday's temp was -38 without the wind. With the windchill it's lowest recorded temp was -51. Celcius. That's -60F.
No wonder you have an angry looking avatar.

You know how as a kid your mom would say things like "If you do that, your face will freeze like that?" Well, in Winnipeg they say it based on the time of year too.
148  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Old man winter sucks. on: January 07, 2014, 02:07:13 PM
I live in Winnipeg, so yeah. We stop complaining about the cold in November.

Sunday's temp was -38 without the wind. With the windchill it's lowest recorded temp was -51. Celcius. That's -60F.




149  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: PC speakers recommendation on: January 07, 2014, 02:00:23 PM
This is for my son and I needed to go simple - no sub to complicate it - and there aren't any "wow" speakers in the $35CAD price range (price above includes taxes). It was a sale price - they normally charge a lot more for them.

Ken, what did you end up going with?
150  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: on: January 07, 2014, 06:12:13 AM
By game, I mean demo. Tongue
151  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: on: January 07, 2014, 06:11:48 AM
At the very least the Kinect sports rivals shows that it works. Too bad its not that exciting a game.
152  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Weekend Playlist -- 1/3/14 on: January 06, 2014, 09:55:36 PM
I played till disk 4. Got the "open world" sailing section and something else distracted me. It was great up till that point for me.
153  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: PC speakers recommendation on: January 06, 2014, 09:53:49 PM

Quote from: Purge on January 04, 2014, 05:12:27 PM

I bought a set of z320s for my sons PC. They have decent range for the on sale price of 45 bux.

These ones:

http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/product/speaker-system-z320?crid=47



You looking to avoid having a sub?
154  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Hey Microsoft! on: January 06, 2014, 09:49:57 PM

Quote from: kronovan on January 06, 2014, 07:54:00 PM

Quote from: Purge on January 06, 2014, 04:43:48 AM

You have this vast wealth of hardware experience. You've been making controllers, keyboards and mice for the better part of three decades.

Yes they do, but from my experience they've haven't been particularly good at it. I've yet to own a piece of MS hardware that wasn't deficient or prematurely defective. And that includes non-gaming hardware form many moons ago, like the 80286 CPU upgrades they manufactured in the 80's. Even their mice and keyboards have been a disappointment for me. If you're wanting a decent fighter stick for the XB1, I wouldn't count on MS delivering it.

From a vast wealth of personal MS hardware experience - IMO MS puts out a pretty solid product, and have fantastic support. I've had 2-5 year old mice replaced, no questions asked. Everything from GameVoice to Strategic commanders to Habu and the entire Keyboards and Mouse lines (ranging back to the early nineties), I've found they are pretty solid and don't break easy.

FWIW, I found this on sale about two months ago (been using it at work):



Were I to list all the MS hardware I've had for my different PCs, I'd be at it for quite some time.

The fact that they have this flagship fighting game with planned episodic / seasonal content releases over the next two years, you'd think they could provide a better arcade fighting control experience out-of-the-gates.

Frankly, they need to start competing with their clients. If nothing else, the Surface / 2 / pro / pro 2 has shown that the market is interested in them putting out their own hardware. Just because MadCatz and Thrustmaster are going to put out 400!! wheels and stupid-expensive fight-sticks does not mean they can't put out solid-but-cheaper alternatives for the average consumer.

Yeah, yeah, they've been busy patching holes in their Xbox boat. This is something that should have been in the plans in tandem. They want to show dedication to gamers? Get the options out there that says "Look, Kinect is for moving. These other things? They're for other kinds of gaming."

I know I'd be playing a lot more KI if I had an arcade stick.
155  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: January 06, 2014, 07:29:24 PM
No, it's Sony who said no to external game storage. MS hasn't said yes or no on games housed externally. With a .5TB internal drive (~360GB avail) they'd be stupid to NOT allow game installs on external disk.

The PnC lasts more than 30 hours (tested myself) on a single charge.

If you never EVER go wireless then don't bother with PnC, just get a long microUSB cable.
15 foot
10 foot
156  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The 201X Health Improvement Thread on: January 06, 2014, 07:27:34 PM
Yeah. I use the 10 bars as monkey bars and swing, switch, and return x2 (at least) 40 rungs. All back engagement - I'm not swinging and using arcs to get to the next rung, I simply pull myself up and reach out.
157  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The 201X Health Improvement Thread on: January 06, 2014, 05:39:56 PM
Starting a weightloss challenge at work tomorrow.

Already lost 6 lbs. Fasting x2 a week (24 hour H2O + lemon juice cleansing cycle).

Also trying to stick to paleo foods. May go for the 2-400 cal. x7 meals throughout the day. Already having a cup of cottage cheese as my last snack (casein protein to carry me through cleansing periods and nighttimes).

I'm 254 right now. FWIW I hit a milestone in the gym three weeks ago. 5 reps of 350lbs on bench. (to just better than 90deg - I've injured my shoulder in the past, so I don't force it).

I can now swing and change direction on monkey bars. Max is 54 rungs. Problem is, the TRX system at the Y has bars that are too narrow by about an 1/8 - 1/4 inch so I end up getting blisters. Gloves don't help.
158  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 06, 2014, 05:35:23 PM

Quote from: Lordnine on January 06, 2014, 04:39:40 PM

Quote from: Purge on January 06, 2014, 03:51:27 PM

What is this thing?
Soot Sprites from Spirited Away.

Ah, right. With the old-spider-dude in the ship, IIRC. Thanks.
159  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: DISNEY buying LUCASFILM....More Star Wars coming... on: January 06, 2014, 04:10:37 PM
I hear the original DVD version came from the laserdisc copies. slywink
160  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 06, 2014, 03:51:27 PM
What is this thing?
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