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1  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 15, 2014, 12:43:44 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on January 01, 2014, 04:59:08 AM



This.
2  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: on: January 15, 2014, 12:37:25 AM
If you want to compare apples to oranges, good for you. BC has meant the ability to play your old games on your new system. PS3Phat60GB did it, older PS3 emulated it, and 360 did too (select titles).

Wii *was* BC to GC.

Stuff you rebuy is a rerelease. It isn't compatibility, its programmed on the new platform. So opinion on that is pretty open/closed on that - BC is new being set up to use old, not reselling old on new.
3  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 14, 2014, 07:11:49 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 14, 2014, 02:03:46 PM

Quote from: Purge on January 14, 2014, 11:44:32 AM

Quote from: forgeforsaken on January 14, 2014, 05:33:34 AM

I fail to see how Sony set things back when they offer a digital version day one with the disk release for pretty much every game on PS4.


Those game licenses are non-transferrable. Basically, Sony failed to innovate, and when their competition tried, they managed to score a fatal hit rather than letting MS stumble on their own.

Remember Sony's online strategy with the PS2? XBL was needed for them to step up. Then PSN+ came out with better discounts and the competitive nature flip flopped.

Their innovation seems to be with PS Now.  To answer one of your questions from a previous post, yes your save games (which are all automatically saved in the cloud) will work.  It's kind of the whole point.

Additionally, if the subscription service works the way it seems like it will, it is absolutely BC.  BC is being able to play the old games on the new system.  That's what PS Now is delivering.  You're just paying for the privilege.  As someone who finds BC important, but knowing that others couldn't care less, I'm okay with that.

So how do I get my Neir BD to transfer to play on a remote Bravia TV via PSNow? :?

BC means backwards compatibility, FWIW - not access to re-buy what I already have. The only way I could see that working is if I had to have the game in my PS3, hooked up to PSNow, which then allowed me to run the game off their own cloud version by verifying ownership over the Internet.
4  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Elder Scrolls Online on: January 14, 2014, 01:20:30 PM
I consider "No Free to Play (F2P) elements" a bullet point in the pro's column. Hell, that's a selling feature in and of itself and should be plastered on the front of the box.

"All required parts contained within" would be an alternative slogan. Tongue
5  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: on: January 14, 2014, 11:49:04 AM
No. No you're not.
6  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 14, 2014, 11:44:32 AM

Quote from: forgeforsaken on January 14, 2014, 05:33:34 AM

I fail to see how Sony set things back when they offer a digital version day one with the disk release for pretty much every game on PS4.


Those game licenses are non-transferrable. Basically, Sony failed to innovate, and when their competition tried, they managed to score a fatal hit rather than letting MS stumble on their own.

Remember Sony's online strategy with the PS2? XBL was needed for them to step up. Then PSN+ came out with better discounts and the competitive nature flip flopped.
7  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: And ATB Diminishes on: January 14, 2014, 01:54:30 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 14, 2014, 01:33:21 AM



The face of comedy, ladies and gentlemen.


Were you trying to make a point with that?
8  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 14, 2014, 01:49:25 AM

Quote from: Jumangi on January 13, 2014, 10:15:24 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on January 12, 2014, 06:09:21 PM

I think what Purge is trying to say is that even if Sony has been a proponent for digital distribution, they certainly didn't trumpet that when MS was facing a backlash over online DRM.


That's called being a smart business. Also they don't need to trumpet it. Their actions in what they offer with digital speak for themsleves. MS screwing up their own PR is their own fault. Sony had no obligation to bail them out.

Nobody said they Sony had to - even I pointed out how it was a good strategy for THEM, as in Sony. For progress in gaming? Notsomuch - they set back disk-less console gaming licenses being more than just buy it and be stuck with it. There is nothing to be done about it now - MS will likely swing their product in that direction via open-market means (eg: hey buy Halo 5 online, and you could trade it in / share it vs buying in-store). If they're smart, they'll make it slightly cheaper. Or they may just nurse their DRM backlash wounds and not push further.

Right now Sony's talking about giving access to their selected library of older games, using a DS3 to play on multiple devices.  Cool for me, cuz I didn't own them already, but I have none of the devices (well, limited PS3 access). For someone who has an extensive library of games? This does not replace BC. Is there any word about using PSN to sync up your existing savegames at least? What about DLC content? Obviously GOTY versions would have it included.

I still have a few leftover PS3 games, and a bunch of 360 games which are simply collecting dust and aren't worth trading in. One thing I was thinking of the other day, was I'd love to be able to mail my disk versions of games to console MFGR's in exchange for an online license (esp. for games that I want to keep).
No more disk spin-up, no noise, no senseless limitation based on physical property.

Now if that license was also transferable/sellable? That would be the cat's ass. 
9  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: [WTB] Ultima...stuff on: January 14, 2014, 01:34:14 AM
I was Juggernaut Dragon. Tongue

(Juggernaut Dragon   Justin Pauls             [email protected])
10  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: And ATB Diminishes on: January 14, 2014, 12:29:52 AM
It's less funny when someone tells you to do it.

Just sayin.... slywink
11  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: [WTB] Ultima...stuff on: January 13, 2014, 06:01:25 PM
You guys should all know that the Dragon in KD's name? That's his Ultima Dragon name. Tongue

SANCTUM VIATAS!
12  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: on: January 13, 2014, 12:25:09 AM
YK pretty much nailed the point I was making.

One other one? Steam isn't the pinnacle of digital delivery. Its just the one that has worked well sofar.

I like the PS Now concept - it isn't something in going to run to anytime soon though.

I wonder how peripheral games would work (if ever). Rockband, I'm looking at you.
13  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: on: January 12, 2014, 07:05:20 AM
Heading to the river trails at the forks in 6 hours.

http://www.theforks.com/rivertrail
14  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 12, 2014, 06:59:43 AM

Quote from: Jumangi on January 11, 2014, 05:32:37 PM

Sony isn't hindering the future of games distribution. They have pushed it on the PS3 with their Day 1 Digital on PSN and with having all digital buying ability on the PS Vita. If you want to not ever buy a disc/cart with a PlayStation product you can.


No, but they DID leverage the whole DRM in a way that set the xbone back to disk format. Good strategy or not, it sets the game systems back in terms of how licensing works. I don't put a DVD in the drive for every steam game I play. Why should next Gen consoles do that ever?

Most PC games, even diskbased from a B&M are simply the installer, with some form of (fairly) persistent online license validation. This is not new  - but being able to share your library, or even be able to resell your licenses is.

Try lending your D1D PS game out. Oh, wait ... where's that helpful video now?
15  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: on: January 11, 2014, 08:38:39 PM
I prefer Morningstar. Better range.
16  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: on: January 11, 2014, 02:39:28 AM
Staff forum is more dead than the sewer.
17  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 10, 2014, 08:38:46 PM
Quote
Little Johnnie's neighbour had a baby. Unfortunately, the baby was born without ears.

When mother and new arrival came home from the hospital, Johnnie's family was invited over to see the baby.

Before they left their house, Little Johnnie's dad had a talk with him and explained that the baby had no ears. His dad also told him that if he so much mentioned anything about the baby's missing ears or even said the word ears, he would get the smacking of his life when they came back home.

Little Johnnie told his dad he understood completely.

When Johnnie looked in the crib he said, 'What a beautiful baby.'

The mother said, 'Why, thank you, Johnnie.

Johnnie said, 'He has beautiful little feet and beautiful little hands, a cute little nose and really beautiful eyes. Can he see alright?'

'Yes', the mother replied, 'we are so thankful; the Doctor said he will have 20/20 vision.'

'That's great', said Little Johnnie, 'coz he'd be in trouble if he needed glasses.'
18  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 10, 2014, 07:30:49 PM

Quote from: Gratch on January 10, 2014, 05:53:26 PM

Kinda sad to think that if CeeKay's exodus is permanent, three of the top 10 posters at GT are gone (CK, Calvin, and Kevin Grey).

frown

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I've sometimes kicked around the idea of stepping away from gaming in general.
19  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 10, 2014, 07:23:33 PM

Quote from: gellar on January 10, 2014, 06:25:51 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on January 10, 2014, 05:14:13 PM

I think the biggest mistake with their initial required-online approach was going for it while we're still in a weird hybrid zone of disc and digital distribution.  If they wanted it to be online-only, they should have just gone full-bore and release a console with no disc drive.  People raised eyebrows at Apple when they started releasing laptops with no disc drive, but it didn't take much to realize that just about everything was available via digital distribution.

Having no disc drive would mean they'd be mocked for having no ability to play blu-ray movies compared to the PS4, but if they set up a good digital distribution model I think there'd be a good chance of being looked at as being more forward-thinking.  Unless it's just too early for digital-only, which maybe it is.  But I do think online-only and disc-free go hand in hand.  Nobody's going to bat an eye if Steam boxes are online-only with no disc drive, and so it could have been with the Xbone.  

I think the games are too large to really make that feasible for the majority of the market. If you went full bore no disk drive, you'd drastically lower your total addressable market to those who could download 30GB in a reasonable timeframe.

I'm all for digital distribution. The only physical next gen games I have are the games I got at launch with the PS4. The last three purchases have been downloaded and I'm quite happy to keep going that way.

This.

Thing is, with it being an all-in-one, you'd want to be able to play older media (DVD, BD, CDs) regardless, so a drive was necessary. Whether games were disk-based was likely due to bandwidth/data cap concerns.

In my gaming experience, I now detest getting up to switch disks. I want to play my games, as is. I kind of resent Sony's use of the fear of change to hinder us moving away from ownership-based-on-disk model. In that regard I might be excited for something like PS Now. Problem is, there are only a handful of games I'd be interested in playing at this point (from the last-gen).
20  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 10, 2014, 04:58:24 PM
FWIW, I thought it funny not because of the incongruent nature of the comparison, but that the marketing and management of the Xbox brand could be seen to make such a false comparison.

Being a PS4 thread, I didn't want to derail this thread further.

As I've always said : Pre-180 plans were flawed in that:

a) the heartbeat / always on was stupid and/or far too restrictive. People want/need offline mode. Steam does it well.
b) the Kinect-to-always-be-connected was wrong. People will simply use it or not. As games use it better, people will leave it connected.
c) To facilitate trading in your license key, simply (as Hark pointed out) force that the console is online at the time of trade so the license can be revoked (or have a function to put the game into "pending trade" state on your account, and get a validation key that the store can use to complete the transaction).

PS Now is a fantastic product concept - whether it's too restrictive (Sony-only TVs, tablets, phones, hand-held/ set-top consoles) may render it's adoption to a limited audience.
21  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 10, 2014, 04:31:26 PM

Quote from: Caine on January 10, 2014, 04:11:08 PM

that we should all drive less?  or that the road not traveled on is better and we should somehow all be playing Atari Jaguar X's?

Tongue


in all seriousness, this is how MS should have handled the online aspects from the start.  I believe that the launch situation would have been much better had they started with the vision they have now, rather than go through the retractions and ill will generated early on. 

this is how I would have phrased it from day 1:
Here's a kick-ass gaming platform that plays all the new games at higher resolutions and with more detail than before.  when connected to the internet, you'll be given the option to tie in your games to your system and go with a fully installed game or download complete from the store. 

if you add on the improved Kinect, you'll be able to fully unlock the capabilities with integrated voice commands, full video Skype chat and headset-less online chat.  Plus, you'll get a free 6-month subscription to a regularly updated fitness program and exclusive games and gameplay integration. 
I think this fits here:

22  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Weekend Playlist -- 1/10/14 on: January 10, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
Gotta finish up Skylanders, Halo: Spartan Assault on XB1.

I may indulge in some Steam gaming, but looking at the weather, I'll likely be outside more than inside (my 9yr old is an outside-kid, and he'd be heartbroken if we didn't go skating and tobogganing).
23  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XB1/Windows 8] Project Spark on: January 10, 2014, 03:57:23 PM
I got an invite about a week ago. Haven't had much time in it, but I did go through the tutorial world.
24  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Release Day Calendar on: January 10, 2014, 03:53:28 PM
I just use GameFAQs if I want to look forward.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/xboxone/releases/region-1
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps4/releases/region-1
http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/releases/region-1
25  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 10, 2014, 01:13:43 PM
I miss CeeKay already. Plus, I'm catching up on post counts. (just another bajillion to go!) frown


Daycare application form for an 11month-old girl:
26  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 10, 2014, 03:22:34 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 09, 2014, 11:28:28 PM

Quote from: Purge on January 09, 2014, 06:29:59 PM

Many would be wrong, then. PC's rival (and can surpass) the experience of their own flagship. Additionally, with full DS4 support, it would eliminate the need to have a PS4. They do not want this - phones and tablets are an entirely different tactile experience and do not offer the precision or control that you'd otherwise expect.

This is the exact reason why Windows 8.0 sucked balls on anything other than a touchscreen interface (and is a far larger market test that would indicate why this is a bad idea).

Also, hopping onto a tablet to play a controller-based game with the same control elements? That's where Vita would make more sense (as it is basically a controller). Perhaps for some simpler games with only a few buttons, but even a PSone had more buttons than I'd want to deal with on a tablet with a touch interface.

Try Halo: Spartan Assault on a tablet / touchscreen interface. Using a controller is FAR more effective, and means you're not struggling with controls. As a consumer, I'm not interested in struggling with controls.

I think you're missing what this is.  The tablets will be a screen only.  You will be using your DS3 to play the games.  It will not be touchscreen.  

Also, the unit isn't doing the processing.  It's a means of delivery.  It seems to be Sony's intention to get that delivery everywhere.  A PC screen is just another one (if they do it eventually).  PS Now is like the Netflix of older Playstation games.

Having read up on it, I am now informed. I never thought the device was processing though - don't know where you got that impression. I was more than well aware of the concept of streaming earlier in this thread. Tongue

DS3, limited to (TVwise) the Bravia line. Are tablets and phones also limited to Sony line products? Also, I'm glad they're focusing on the PS3 content first. As much fun as some of the older games may be, they're not going to sell the wow to users with blocky PS1 games. I seem to remember them saying Gaikai is focused on "key games" - so they set my expectation at having well-received games being made available (first, at least).
27  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 09, 2014, 08:17:21 PM
Yes, but they haven't made their entire 360 Library available on PC. Also, PC gaming is (for the most part) a Windows platform.

I'm not saying it won't happen, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
28  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 09, 2014, 06:29:59 PM
Many would be wrong, then. PC's rival (and can surpass) the experience of their own flagship. Additionally, with full DS4 support, it would eliminate the need to have a PS4. They do not want this - phones and tablets are an entirely different tactile experience and do not offer the precision or control that you'd otherwise expect.

This is the exact reason why Windows 8.0 sucked balls on anything other than a touchscreen interface (and is a far larger market test that would indicate why this is a bad idea).

Also, hopping onto a tablet to play a controller-based game with the same control elements? That's where Vita would make more sense (as it is basically a controller). Perhaps for some simpler games with only a few buttons, but even a PSone had more buttons than I'd want to deal with on a tablet with a touch interface.

Try Halo: Spartan Assault on a tablet / touchscreen interface. Using a controller is FAR more effective, and means you're not struggling with controls. As a consumer, I'm not interested in struggling with controls.
29  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: on: January 09, 2014, 05:36:59 AM
Tried redeeming it on steam?
30  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: on: January 09, 2014, 05:30:13 AM
I doubt that PC streaming is going to happen. It was mentioned earlier, but the Sony info doesn't indicate that they're planning on PC streaming. Frankly it would cannibalize their own hardware divisions.
31  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 10 Years of ConsoleGold/GamingTrend!!! on: January 08, 2014, 06:21:03 PM

Quote from: Jimmy the Fish on January 08, 2014, 06:06:02 PM

I wonder if anyone archived any of the old Gone Gold web content. It would be kind of a kick to see some of that stuff again for old times sake.

This?
32  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 08, 2014, 06:18:21 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on January 08, 2014, 05:08:51 PM

Quote from: Lee on January 08, 2014, 04:41:10 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on January 08, 2014, 02:38:59 PM

Yeah, parts of reddit are not for the squeamish.

And very easily avoidable.

Fair enough, I am not pushing the site by any means, since the comments often make you feel like it's mostly college aged kids. I am just surprised people here don't seem to read it.

The curated sets of pictures I see here and on the OO thread are plenty for my silly internet picture needs, so I've never really felt driven to seek more out.  Plus, I stumbled on some pretty disturbing stuff using that livejournal pic searcher this thread started with, so I like having a layer of GT/OO filtering between me and the wild wild internet.

This.
33  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC/360/XB1]Respawn's Titanfall on: January 08, 2014, 04:39:06 PM
No ... I mean that your mech can function without you (guard mode, follow). The explanation of the Titans was that they are like your "mount" - no one can steal them, and they have limited independent capability. I suppose a use for that could be that the entire team park their mechs at their flag on guard mode and go raid the other camp.

Distance limitation is a question. So is what happens to your mech when you're killed outside it.

I don't know how the team AI works (whether they're pilots or "grunts").
I'd like to know if they are in addition to the 6v6 or if they're placeholders for smaller matches.
34  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC/360/XB1]Respawn's Titanfall on: January 08, 2014, 03:57:07 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on January 08, 2014, 03:53:11 PM

I believe he's referring to the limit on calling them in.  There seemed to be a lockout in one of the gp vids that you can only have one called in every so often so you might be waiting for a 'drop window' to open to get yours.

As soon as a match starts, everyone's timer begins on getting their Titan to fall. If you are doing better, you get "bumped" in the queue and your mech comes down faster.

After every death (or destruction of your mech) your next mech is put in queue to be made - and performance will determine if you get bumped again.

I expect Hark and Kato to be willing to toss mechs into the fray 'cuz they have their own dedicated drop ship.
35  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4, XB1, PC] Evolve (from Turtle Rock) on: January 08, 2014, 02:21:21 PM

Quote from: Turtle on January 08, 2014, 01:10:25 PM

[...] Giants: Citizen Kabuto, which will have some similarities.

This is the first thing I thought of. Loved playing the Kabuto in LAN games, eating sheep and getting bigger, then swatting helicopters down and nabbing pilots. I also enjoyed running around with some of the players impaled on my spikes - they don't die right away, so they got kind of a twitch gaming experience (IIRC).

Thing is, there were two different races for the non-monster, and that was part of the fun of that game.
36  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC/360/XB1]Respawn's Titanfall on: January 08, 2014, 02:13:52 PM
3v3 would be disappointing.
 
6v6? That's 12vs12 potential, and half of those are full-sized mechs. If there's stuff to shoot at, I'm good with that - plus with all the agility of a pilot, there is a lot of ground to cover. Overcrowded games don't necessarily make for fun times either.

I like that additional AI is included. It could eliminate the bottom 20% being bored with dying constantly.


Turtle, you say you're sure it's hardware related. Care to expand on that?
37  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: on: January 07, 2014, 09:15:06 PM
I'd drop in processor over video card ram.

Or, this is the universes was of saying "Build!" slywink
38  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XB1/PS4/PS3/360/PC]Battlefield 4 on: January 07, 2014, 07:39:59 PM
... holding out for Titanfall. Not gonna buy this one AGAIN. (as I traded it back in, no charge)
39  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 10 Years of ConsoleGold/GamingTrend!!! on: January 07, 2014, 07:38:26 PM
2004 was the drama-year IIRC when we moved over off Rich`s server(s) and the forum was rebuilt on SMF. Could be mistaken, but that`s why you see those dates instead of earlier.
40  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 10 Years of ConsoleGold/GamingTrend!!! on: January 07, 2014, 05:56:17 PM
Yeah, I`m thinking 2001 for the site. Don`t recall when I joined the forum, but I was for sure involved with the site in 2002. I reviewed KOEI`s Crimson Sea. I also went to E3 with CG back in 2003.
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