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41  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Apple] It's about time... on: April 26, 2015, 05:02:00 PM
Agreed, I just want to use the thing, not find the best mods.

Anyway, watch just got charged and changed to shipping. (Makes up for that Arsenal game this morning.)

Edit: Will be here Tuesday.
42  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Apple] It's about time... on: April 26, 2015, 05:11:09 AM
I pictured you as Android guy YK. I guess I picture most gamers as PC guys, so therefore Android. Probably an assumption I shouldn't make.

I was in a packed Apple store tonight. We couldn't look at anything because there were people around everything in the store, except the watches. It was weird, no one was even so much as looking at the watches for the 30 minutes we were there. So I finally got to play with a Watch and it was not what I expected. I am pretty heavily invested in Apple, I own, or have owned, pretty much one of everything they make. I have read every Apple watch review I can find, and I have been reading the MacRumors' Apple Watch forums getting everyone's impressions. I wasn't prepared to be lost with the interface. It was in the message/draw mode, and it took me a few seconds to figure out how to get out of it. I felt kind of lost using it. It didn't feel intuitive at all. I don't think that says anything about the product itself, other than this isn't anything like any other Apple product I have used before. It wasn't Apple simple at first glance. I have heard other people say the same thing and I didn't really believe them, but it really does have a bit of a learning curve to it. It really did feel like a first gen product that most people should avoid unless they really like being an early adopter (just as many of the reviews have said and some people seem to be finding out on MacRumors.)

Still, I am looking forward to getting mine. I do wish I would have ordered SS after looking at them, I thought it looked a lot better.
43  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Apple] It's about time... on: April 25, 2015, 04:53:37 PM
Good to hear and thanks for writing up you impressions. I have been reading a few complaints about the HR monitor having issues getting the HR during a workout or being way off at times, but it didn't sound like you had issues. Wonder if people aren't wearing it tight enough?

Looks great. Wish I went SS, but I am sure I will upgrade in a year so I keep telling myself to be glad I didn't.
44  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Apple] It's about time... on: April 24, 2015, 08:05:24 AM
Easily the oddest unboxing yet. A Japanese female nerd I guess best describes it.
45  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: New gaming computer? Where to buy? on: April 24, 2015, 03:08:00 AM

Quote from: jztemple2 on April 24, 2015, 02:22:00 AM

Good gosh, that's a lot of issues. I was going to comment to the previous post, saying that's a good price for those specs, but if the build quality is that iffy, it's not such a good deal.

I am sure I am exception, and none of the issues were major, I just expected a higher standard for the money. (My 15 year old nephew has the Alienware now and thinks it's just about the greatest computer ever. Every time I see the computer it has a different light set up.) You pay a premium when you buy these high-end gaming machines, and outside of some nice touches (such as the wiring) it just felt like I was getting another Dell. This Falcon NW, has definitely been different, between the nice case containing spare cables, software, and instructions to the emails I have had with support, I have already felt like I got my money's worth with them. They very much give the impression they care and will do whatever it takes to make sure I am happy with it. I have never felt that was with Dell.
46  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Apple] It's about time... on: April 24, 2015, 02:27:59 AM
Ha, people are already lining up at the non Apple stores that will carry the watch. People were also lined up at the Sydney Apple store hoping there were watches in stock.

Been reading the various forums and the people are being pretty fanatical. I am looking forward to the watch, and I admit to checking my order status a dozen times over the last 3 days. I am pretty tame compared to other though, there are people calling Apple to find out when they will get their watch and people who seem really angry they aren't getting a watch day 1. They are even checking the UPS flights trying to determine when a UPS plane lands if there are order updates for watches. A supposed pilot pointed out all those UPS flights are an everyday occurrence, but that didn't stop them. I can't imagine getting this excited about a watch.

I am already imagining after about an hour with the watch it will be "that's neat" and then all the little problems with a first gen product will start to show.

47  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: New gaming computer? Where to buy? on: April 24, 2015, 01:43:01 AM
I personally wouldn't buy an Alienware again. Not for that kind of money.

Mine was getting lock ups from day 1. Their support is lacking, but I figured it out myself eventually, one memory bank would become loose if the computer was moved. So I had to re-seat the modules anytime the computer was moved (which happened about 4 times over 3 years).

The case door was also prone to vibrate which was really annoying. I could play with it and get the sound to go away, but every few days the vibration would come back and I would have to mess with the door. Plus the case is a huge plastic thing that adds way too much extra bulk. It just didn't look that great outside of the lighting either.

It also had sleep issues from day 1. It seemed like it had to do with the fancy case lighting, because it would start acting odd until I would power it down. I think it was the drivers for the lights, but that is just a guess.

Not major problems by any means, but when you are paying for a high-end computer, there shouldn't be problems and support should make every effort to fix it.

Well I don't dislike Dell by any means, with Alienware, you are just getting a fancy Dell, so you get the same customer support as you would with a huge corporation. Not very personal, or helpful.
48  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Apple] It's about time... on: April 22, 2015, 05:31:05 AM

Quote from: rittchard on April 21, 2015, 08:39:15 PM

Watching the Macrumors forums closely, it looks like particular models are the slowest to be going out, particularly those with the most popular (?) black sports band.  Mine has yet to even be charged yet so there's little hope of getting a shipment update.  I'd say there's a 50/50 chance of arriving Friday at this rate.  Frustrating but hopefully they'll work it all out. 

Yeah, been watching the Macrumors' site as well. Both the black/grey watches seem to be behind on shipping compared to other models. I have already written off any chance of getting it Friday. Oh well, I am looking forward to it, but no where near as much as many other people are. Some people are going nuts over this. I can wait.
49  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Amazon Echo on: April 22, 2015, 05:25:45 AM

Quote from: rittchard on April 21, 2015, 08:35:09 PM

Teehee, I am also a hypocrite and ordered one a while back  thumbsup

Lee, shall we form our own Apple Watch Amazon Echo Hypocrite's Club?

I think we should. It will cement our place as GT's upper echelon. nod

I have been trying to get feedback on how people like it, but haven't read anything that has pushed me one way or another. People seem to think it's a neat toy, which is all I am looking for. Although, all my apartment's lights are Hue LEDs, so that is a huge selling point for the Echo. I love the idea of being able to walk in and just say "Hey Alexa, turn on the lights."

Amazon is a strange company. I waited 3 weeks or so for an invitation to buy one, but then once I clicked to buy it, it tells me it is going to be close to 3 months to receive it (July 13). I don't understand what all the waiting is for, it's been out for long enough that they should have some sort of decent production schedule going. Demand can't be that high. Still it's not all bad, if Apple reveals an Apple TV, home integration, Siri controlled box at WWDC, I will just cancel the Echo.

When are you set to get your's Rittchard?
50  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Amazon Echo on: April 21, 2015, 07:07:30 PM
I am a hypocrite. (Get that out of the way first.)

So I put in to order one, just got the email that I can.

Especially with Siri soon to be attached to my wrist, I am not sure I should. I am a sucker for new toys though.
51  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TDS-Jon Stewart to take summer off,John Oliver to fill in on: April 21, 2015, 07:03:09 PM
Is it me or has TDS been very meh lately? Like the 4/20 skit last night that kind of fell flat.
52  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Apple] It's about time... on: April 21, 2015, 07:01:19 PM

Quote from: Fireball on April 21, 2015, 02:05:15 PM

Mine is now listed as "Preparing for Shipment". Hoping I have a handy way to tell time this weekend!

Awesome, please post some quick impressions when you get it!
53  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Apple] It's about time... on: April 20, 2015, 10:04:33 PM
Cards are starting to be charged and orders changing to "preparing for shipment". Unfortunately as a 5/13-28 order, mine hasn't changed. Anyone get an update?
54  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Who else sucks in online games? on: April 19, 2015, 03:19:37 AM
Yep, I don't even bother anymore. Friend and I used to play Unreal Tournament when EQ was down. She would destroy me. Tried to play Gears of War with coworkers once, they had all the maps memorized and I had no clue what to do. Back in the day when we used to do hot seat strategy games like Warlords III, Perfect General, and Konquered Kingdoms, I kicked ass (but always sucked at Empire Deluxe), nowadays I would rather just play single player no matter what the game. Better for the ego.
55  Gaming / Portable Gaming & Apps / Re: Spiderweb quits iOS on: April 18, 2015, 09:18:21 PM
Sorry, misread it, thought it was all his games. Still, they will all be gone eventually. If he's not going to support them by keeping them working though, just pull them now, save users the hassle in the future.
56  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Carls Jr - now in Toronto should I try it? on: April 18, 2015, 09:09:33 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on April 18, 2015, 08:45:44 PM

Culver's burgers are amazing and nothing at all like any fast food place I've been to.  Shame you had one you'd put below McD.  Either they really fucked up your burger or you have no taste.

There burgers are ok, but their fries are nothing more than frozen Ore-Idas that seem like they were slowly cooked in an oven. They were never good when I went there.

I think location really matters, that will explain Naedneks love of Carls Jr (I'm teasing Naednek!) and your love of Culver's, Harkonis. There was a McDs right on the freeway I would occasionally go to in CO. It was always busy, so every time I went there it was really fresh. One of the best McDs I have ever been to. Same with Chick-fil-a, the mall one in Cheyenne, WY sucked, it was a greasy mess. On the other hand, the one in Ft. Collins, CO was always great.

Edit: Look at me name dropping all the great places I have lived! Roll Eyes
57  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: New gaming computer? Where to buy? on: April 17, 2015, 09:33:58 PM
Got to hand it to Falcon NW. They sent me an email today instructing me to run a bunch of tests on the system just to be sure the BSOD wasn't something more serious.
58  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: April 17, 2015, 06:18:54 PM

Quote from: ATB on April 17, 2015, 05:39:35 PM

...and images and also lighten  up Francis.

So I can post a picture mocking Christianity that involves someone being violently killed and just tell you to lighten up because it's social commentary? F*** off ATB.
59  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Hearthstone on: April 17, 2015, 04:20:32 PM
I played 3 games last night at rank 24/25. Didn't even see a new card. Not even a Nax card (besides the ones I was playing). Only one person was an obvious just started deck, but the other 2 must have been people like me, who had played and taken a break. It was nice feeling like a god among men at those levels. icon_twisted
60  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Star Wars Episode VII Director Revealed on: April 17, 2015, 04:17:08 PM

Quote from: ATB on April 17, 2015, 04:02:33 PM

Well if it's any consolation, my first impressions of the new terminator film were negative too. But the latest trailer has me................ believing?

This trailer does nothing for me.  In fact the teaser for QT's new movie Hateful 8 gets me more jazzed and it doesn't show anything from the film.

Well, as proved by your latest picture posting, you are dead inside.
61  Gaming / Portable Gaming & Apps / Spiderweb quits iOS on: April 17, 2015, 04:14:30 PM
Pocket Tactics is reporting that Spiderweb Software has pulled their iPad games and will stop supporting it. This is the company (guy?) that makes the Avernum games as well as various other similar RPGs. I guess 8.3 broke all his games on the iPad and he can't be bothered to fix it. He also cites problems getting noticed, spending too much on advertising, and just being sick of Apple.

I get the sick of Apple thing. I listen to some Apple podcasts, and the complaints about Apple's weird policy changes and rejections are common. It also seems they will break things with iOS updates. I also get that it must be very hard to get noticed on the App Store. There is so much out there and almost everything seems to be F2P now, in fact it seems almost expected at this point. There isn't much demand for premium games it seems.

On the other hand, if you make really good games they will get word of mouth and sell. At the same time though, people seem to expect a much higher graphic/sound level in games today and that is something that Spiderweb has failed to do. The games' interfaces and graphics have barely changed over the years. While not necessarily a bad thing, I know I would have loved to see an update. I have tried many many times to get into the company's games but always end up bored after a couple of hours. It never helps that I find the interface just a hassle to use.

Still, it's sad that the iPad lost a big name in classic RPGs. I have all but given up on gaming on iOS at this point. If something gets a lot of hype, like Alto's Adventure, I will pick it up, otherwise I don't even look anymore.
62  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: New gaming computer? Where to buy? on: April 16, 2015, 11:50:13 PM
I would gladly pay an extra thousand for a system without an annoying buzz Blackjack! icon_razz

Honestly this system is louder than I had hoped (but still much quieter than my Alienware), but my main computer is an iMac that doesn't make any sound, even when gaming, so I might be a bit spoiled.

Falcon NW has a customer for life in me, assuming I have the money to be buying new gaming PCs in the future. Really liked the small company customer service you get from them as well as buying a PC that just screams quality. I don't blame the BSOD on them, it's how PCs are unfortunately, and if it happens again, I am sure they will fix it.
63  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Hearthstone on: April 16, 2015, 11:43:51 PM

Quote from: Eco-Logic on April 16, 2015, 09:07:11 PM

Just send your friend Eco a message and he can quickly bring you up to speed on which new cards are a necessity.

Ha, thanks, I have a feeling there is too much to learn for you to teach it all to me in chat. I probably just need to work my way through the new content and lose a few unranked games to see where I need to be and get some of the new cards. I just don't want to spend the money right now since I have been buying $400 watches this month.
64  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: April 16, 2015, 10:38:46 PM
I find the use of something so horrible to make a really bad joke to be pretty disgusting.
65  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Ok....I'm ready. Teach me how to invest on: April 16, 2015, 04:33:00 AM
Best of luck Ron, I am sure it will all work out in the long run.

Quote from: Ironrod on April 16, 2015, 02:08:43 AM

Speaking of which, has anybody mentioned target date funds yet? That's the simplest and safest way to invest for the long haul. The fund manager rebalances its portfolio to make it more and more conservative as your retirement date approaches. Now that we're just 9 years from retirement I steer a little more money each year out of the growth funds and into the target date.

I think they are great for people who want a low cost method where the can put money in and forget about it. Not sure I would say they are safest though. Like right now for someone retiring soon, those funds are shifting to a bond heavy ratio. We all know the interest rate is going to start going up next year and soon as it starts going up those bond prices are going to start falling. If you have a short time frame, you do not want a large amount of money in intermediate and long term bonds. That's is the problem with target date funds, they don't take real world happenings into consideration and it could burn some people close to retirement.

My short term investments I am heavier in short term bonds to try to counter the soon to be rising interest rates. My plan is to start shifting stocks into the intermediate bond fund as interest rates rise. Hopefully it will all cost average out after a year or so.
66  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Hearthstone on: April 16, 2015, 12:26:24 AM
I want to play again, but I stopped right as the gnome expansion came out so now with all the new cards all my decks are grossly out dated. The thought of learning the newest meta game puts me off of even trying.
67  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Re: Ok....I'm ready. Teach me how to invest on: April 16, 2015, 12:10:51 AM

Quote from: Canuck on April 15, 2015, 09:30:56 PM

Give your money to someone who knows what they're doing. That's what I do. The trick is to start early and play the long game. It's not seem but it works. Of course the secret is to start as early as possible (like 20) because that last doubling period (every 10 years at 7% with the rule of 72) is when your money goes from a decent amount to an outrageous amount.

Unfortunately you still need to know what you are doing. My adviser would ask for my input, but since I had no idea what I was looking at, I just took his word on it. I have since learned that these financial advisers are paid to push certain mutual funds, funds that may have high fees (on top of the fees you are paying your adviser). Not saying they all do this, but I would certainly compare your funds to some of the benchmark funds to see how they are performing. More important though is looking at fees. I was in some Legg Mason fund that had over a 1% expense fee as well as a load fee. It was insane. Actively managed funds that require these kind of fees usually don't preform any better than an index fund either.

Quote from: rittchard on April 15, 2015, 05:14:30 PM

Hehe - it always seems expensive... but then it keeps going up and just gets more expensive!  I debate this with a friend of mine a few times each year, and each time he has ignored my advice.  Had he invested the first time I suggested it, he would have made a lot of money by now.  My philosophy with Apple is this: do you think it will go up even 5-10% over the next year?  If so, why not just invest in it rather than leave your money in a 0.5% (or whatever it is these days) share certificate?  If you believe in the company and its products (which he claims he does), its almost a no-brainer. 

I know you are right, but I still can't bring myself to pull the trigger. I actually owned exactly 2 shares in in 2012. I meant it to just be a very small entry point just to get my foot in the door. The stock was too volatile (that's what I thought then, but I know better now) and I kept listening to the media's opinion that Apple was too high and was due to come down, so I sold it. I made like a $100 on it. icon_smile Anyway, I own Apple though a couple of mutual funds, that just isn't as exciting.

I made too many expensive mistakes when I was first learning that made me very gun shy. (Hello NFLX!)
68  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Carls Jr - now in Toronto should I try it? on: April 15, 2015, 10:58:28 PM
I miss Smashburger so much. I loved that place. My favorite burger place, fast food or not.

@Eco, yeah I find Naedneks opinion strange. When he first said that about the quality, I was wondering if they have some sort of fancy high end Carl's Jr where he lives.
69  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: New gaming computer? Where to buy? on: April 15, 2015, 06:57:36 AM
And tonight the sound on it died. BSOD, and then sound no longer worked. Wrote an email to support. Guess I will find out how good Falcon's support is. It looks like I will be gaming on my Mac until it's fixed.

Edit: They were quick to respond. Told me to re install the driver (which worked) and to get a hold of them if it blue screens again in case it is a sign of a bigger issue.
70  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Ok....I'm ready. Teach me how to invest on: April 15, 2015, 12:46:19 AM
For retirement investing KD, this is what I use as a guide. The Boglehead lazy investing method. John Bogle is the guy who started Vanguard, and that site has great info on how to do it (Vanguard's site also pushes you towards using these core funds). It's kind of a put money into 3 core funds and forget about it approach. Once a year you rebalance your bonds vs stock holdings to maintain your risk levels. That's it.

John Boggle's The Little Book of Common Sense Investing is also a good place to start. It's a quick read, and explains the basics of the method. I had a financial advisor though Wells Fargo and I would call him and have no idea what he was talking about. I once asked him what I should read to help me understand it all better. This book was his advice. I fired him the next month, sold all the crappy mutual funds he had me in (they were so bad they even had load fees) and started investing with Vanguard.

There are also sites like Betterment that will do all this for you. They of course charge you a fee to do it, and that kind of defeats the purpose. The whole goal is to reduce fees as much as possible, and you really don't have to do much if you handle it yourself, but some people would rather let someone else handle it. People seem to like it, but I would advise against it if you have time to learn some basics.
71  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Ok....I'm ready. Teach me how to invest on: April 14, 2015, 11:16:36 PM

Quote from: Zinfan on April 14, 2015, 08:16:39 PM

It can be very hard to convince yourself that the time is right to invest but you have to take the long view and historicaly the market will rise hence why I buy index funds and hold them.

Right, but individual stocks are different if we're talking short term like I am. With a mutual fund long term investing, timing doesn't matter (assuming you are going to keep adding it). Even if I bought today and a crash happens next month, as long as I keep buying into it, I am just cost averaging it out. That's what happened in 2008/9, I didn't care because it was just a great time to buy low and I had decades to go until retirement.

With individual stocks for short term (a few years) even though there is a good chance I will add to my position later,  I can't just throw a few hundred into it here or there because of the fees. So I can't really cost average with a single stock. If I buy into AAPL now, I have to be really careful about the when.

I do use mutual funds for short term now (5 year time frame is the plan), but I am playing with fire. I have money in a couple of bond funds to reduce the risk. But interest rates are going to start rising at some point, and stocks are due for a pullback at some point. If both happen at once, I could lose my gains from the last 3 years. I just can't bring myself to put the money into a 1% savings account.
72  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Ok....I'm ready. Teach me how to invest on: April 14, 2015, 06:12:17 PM

Quote from: rittchard on April 14, 2015, 03:28:23 PM

Buy Apple stock! 

I am actually doing an analysis paper on AAPL for a finance class right now. I want to put some money into it because their numbers are great, but it seems expensive right now. That's always my problem though, I struggle with the when to enter more than anything else.
73  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Ok....I'm ready. Teach me how to invest on: April 14, 2015, 06:06:09 PM
What Clanwolfer said.

I love investing in individual stocks, but I did it more for fun than anything else. To do it right takes a lot of time and a significant portion of money. It almost feels like educated gambling and I was obsessed with it for a couple of years. It's great when you make money, but devastating when you lose it, which is far too easy to do.

Now I just do mutual funds. Vanguard because of the low expense rates. Not exciting at all, but it's easy and much more predictable. Now I just worry about my stock to bonds allocation.

The way I jumped in was just by reading finance sites. Found a stock that looked interesting, and was getting positive praise from the financial press (not a great way to decide, but I was new and trusting) and just bought $1,000 of it. As I learned more I kept putting more money into it and other stocks. You learn as you go, but mistakes can be very costly.
74  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Carls Jr - now in Toronto should I try it? on: April 13, 2015, 06:42:59 PM
Ouch that was an ugly series of typos.
75  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Carls Jr - now in Toronto should I try it? on: April 13, 2015, 06:23:52 PM

Quote from: hepcat on April 13, 2015, 05:55:00 PM

I just drove to BK and bought fries in the time it took to simply read that.   slywink

BK fries? I would rather eat week old Ironrod's oven fries. Tongue
76  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Carls Jr - now in Toronto should I try it? on: April 11, 2015, 03:53:28 AM

Quote from: Ironrod on April 11, 2015, 02:56:50 AM

Today I finally fired up my grill for the first time this year. I can make a better burger at home in less time than it takes to go buy takeout.

My problem with home burgers is the fries part. I would never dream of deep frying at home, and oven baked just aren't the same. Next hardest part at home is finding good buns.
77  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Re: Re: Re: [Apple] It's about time... on: April 10, 2015, 10:54:09 PM

Quote from: Canuck on April 10, 2015, 10:21:43 PM

I'm really looking forward. To picking up a Surface Pro 4 now that all the growing pains are over!

As a Surface 3 owner, I am not sure their growing pains are over, but it has come a long way. It's biggest problem isn't Microsofts fault though, it's that most software doesn't support touch controls. (A Surface Pro would be my first recommendation for a Windows based laptop, it's a great little machine.)

Anyway, people following the Chinese stores last night, showed that the gold watches sold out within the first hour. Of course we have no idea on the qualities available, but it shows that Apple isn't completely nuts.
78  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Books] Your Book of the Year? on: April 10, 2015, 07:35:46 PM
This place is slowly dying, just not enough traffic anymore without CeeKay.
79  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Carls Jr - now in Toronto should I try it? on: April 10, 2015, 07:07:26 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on April 10, 2015, 06:36:03 PM

Down south they're called Hardee's. I've always thought of it as a McDonald's who cares even LESS about your health.

Carl's Jr used to be only a West Coast thing. Seems they are pushing east more in the last few years. I wonder if they get better sales under the Carl's Jr name? I know they are the same, but in my head Carl's Jr is higher quality, as I said above.
80  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Apple] It's about time... on: April 10, 2015, 07:03:46 PM

Quote from: Mystic95Z on April 10, 2015, 04:01:28 PM

I'm an apple fan (laptops, OSX, iphones) but the apple watch is just lame. 10k for one with a gold finish is beyond stupid. I'm betting its gonna be a flop...

Who cares there is a gold expensive one? It's not like they are pushing it on you, it's for a certain kind of person that isn't most of us. If there is a market for that kind of thing, which I am sure they researched, then it was a good business decision.

People said the iPhone and iPad would flop. They didn't, obviously. I do think it will become like the iPad, still sell incredibly well, but not be a product everyone wants. Other companies can only dream of having an Apple flop.

If last night was any indication, the launch brought in decent numbers.
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