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2521  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Stop-Loss on: January 18, 2008, 08:06:51 PM
I am so damn sick of that song, please let it die.

Just not feeling it for the stop loss guys, they should have done some research before they signed up during a war.
2522  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NSFW Mii's on: January 18, 2008, 04:49:50 PM

Quote from: rickfc on January 18, 2008, 04:31:38 PM

Quote from: Lee on January 18, 2008, 04:17:30 PM

That's a little bit disturbing, yet quite stupid at the same time.

I didn't realize that it was too lowbrow for the site...

I wasn't knocking your for posting it, I am glad you did in fact. My comment was to whoever made those things.
2523  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NSFW Mii's on: January 18, 2008, 04:17:30 PM
That's a little bit disturbing, yet quite stupid at the same time.
2524  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: How does American Airlines stay in business? on: January 18, 2008, 12:25:16 AM
Go hang out and have a drink, if IIRC, most of SFO has free wireless doesn't it?

But yeah, I have heard bad things about AA, even the budget airlines like Southwest are supposed to be better.
2525  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 17, 2008, 11:36:18 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on January 17, 2008, 10:48:25 PM

Quote from: Lee on January 17, 2008, 09:31:45 PM

You posted a link of a proposed plan, that did not claim that we were pointing anything at Iran.

You know so little on how nukes work and the policies surrounding them, it would be better if you just didn't comment on them because you are making yourself look like a fool.

Well I'm glad you said that!  Since you know so much more than me, I'm sure you can easily show how and why I'm wrong, citing all your sources, etc.

I look forward to reading it!

Cite sources? I don't need to, it's what I do for a living, and something I am not going to talk about on an internet forum beyond what I have said already. I am not getting up here fear mongering by throwing around ideas with no backing or basis, I am just pointing out to you that you literally know nothing about the subject, nor do you care to learn. I am also not the one telling everyone here that they are uneducated about everything under the sun like you are. Except on one subject, but in that subject, I do have a bit more knowledge than you.

You cannot say things here Unbreakable without any credible support and declare everything you say as fact and then expect us all to believe you because you tell us you are more knowledgeable than us. In fact you are doing what the government does, but even more extreme.

In the end I think you have issues, I don't mean that as an insult, but you say such absurd things, its hard to believe that a sane person could come up with such ideas. But at the same time you don't research anything out of your bubble, you read what you want to and ignore everything else.

I am done responding to you, it only encourages you to get on your soap box and spew more tripe.
2526  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 17, 2008, 10:06:11 PM

Quote from: Doopri on January 17, 2008, 09:53:29 PM

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converted MMIII to one warhead instead of 3?
and i still think there has been a less than subtle shift in how cavalier those within government, and those attempting to become government, view the "usability" of nuclear weapons.  my one consolation is, again, the high ranking military officials who will hopefully be screaming in their ears to tone down the rhetoric

Despite what certain people will have you believe, there hasn't been any big changes in the mission. It is still peace through deterrence. The DoD makes "just in case plans" for everything, when the media gets a hold it they freak out and claim that we are now doing things differently. It's just not the case. The idea of us just going around using nukes because we can is absurd and is the equivalent to Bush's saber rattling. Unbreakable can scream all day that we have nukes aimed at Iran and Bush has been given permission to use them, but its the same as Bush going up there and saying if we don't remove Saddam from power the world is going to end. It's all just talk with no basis in reality.
2527  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 17, 2008, 09:43:05 PM

Quote from: Doopri on January 17, 2008, 09:22:55 PM

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The fact that the goverment is loosening the trigger on the nukes for a broadser set of use, specifically non nuclear threats, is terrifying!

i find it scary too.  and its not just the the government, the politicians running for president on both sides of the isle have lobbed around more than enough hypothetical nukes as well.  the last three or four years have made incredible strides backwards in the field of nonproliferation

I am guessing you don't know how we recently got rid of the Peacekeeper weapon system and converted MMIII to one warhead instead of 3? We also got rid of a ACMs and have converted some other missiles.

Honestly you guys, as far as nukes go, don't believe anything you read. The government doesn't make any of this information public knowledge and the media guesses to fill in the holes. One base I was at the press reported that we shipped our nukes to England. We didn't even have nukes. They just saw bombers land empty and take off with missiles.
2528  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 17, 2008, 09:31:45 PM
You posted a link of a proposed plan, that did not claim that we were pointing anything at Iran.

You know so little on how nukes work and the policies surrounding them, it would be better if you just didn't comment on them because you are making yourself look like a fool.
2529  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 17, 2008, 08:59:30 PM
Now you are just being silly. Please post links comparing the GOP to the mob, that should be good for a laugh.

You say you know more than anyone else here about things, but you already admitted you don't know anything about Hezbollah (nor do you care to know anything), and then you claim something as fact about weapons you obviously don't know anything about. Please post about something you do know, and then please give legitimate links and not just the insane rantings you seem to like.
2530  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 17, 2008, 08:43:22 PM

Quote from: ATB on January 17, 2008, 08:34:56 PM

So the dems rig elections too but the repubs are better at it?

This is actually becoming scary, isn't it?
2531  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Weird note at work on: January 17, 2008, 07:52:51 PM
By the way the calendar is one of those one sheets a day things, so its square and pretty hefty since it's still January. I believe its orange on the borders, so go desk to desk looking for it.
2532  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Weird note at work on: January 17, 2008, 07:49:39 PM
We have a "work practical joke" calender at work, everyday it lists a different joke to play. Yesterday was leave to leave a note for someone to meet you alone (but you don't leave your name), then leave the same note to someone else. I am not kidding, although it may have been 2 days ago.
2533  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 17, 2008, 07:43:37 PM
Unbreakable, I have spent 15 years in the nuclear weapon business (ICBM and ALCM) and I can say without a doubt, you do not know what you are talking about. You don't know where nuclear weapons are, you don't know how they work, you don't know where they are aimed (or anything about how that works), you don't even know the policies on them are. You are stating your opinion, which is completely wrong. Even what the press tells you is usually completely wrong. I have been involved in various things that the press reported on and they almost always get the story completely wrong.

You are not more knowledgeable on anything, you spout your opinions and then back them up with articles that don't really prove your point. So quit stating your opinion as fact, because it is not.
2534  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Macbook air on: January 17, 2008, 08:37:38 AM
Neat computer, but its only smaller because it uses a smaller screen. The Mac is a lot slimmer and looks to be more powerful on paper. And the Mac is cheaper even if you add the external drive.

Battery though? Apple is nuts.
2535  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 17, 2008, 01:56:35 AM
Well he didn't specify what we were pointing at them, subs, aircraft, or ICBMs, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt. But since he is stressing this as a fact, I would like to see where he gets his info.
2536  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 17, 2008, 01:00:34 AM

Quote from: unbreakable on January 17, 2008, 12:09:38 AM

So I guess you have an equal level of concern when Bush and Cheney start talking about invading Iran, and the fact (FACT) that we are pointing our nuclear arsenal at Iran?

Reference please.
2537  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Macbook air on: January 17, 2008, 12:36:59 AM
They will dual boot to Windows, and you can game on them, but the Powerbooks video cards are kind of weak: Nvidia 8600M 128 megs on the cheapest one, 256megs on the higher end models.
2538  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Macbook air on: January 16, 2008, 06:19:54 PM
Nope it's $1800 for the one with a regular hard drive and $3100 for the one with the SSD. Not at all cheap.
2539  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 16, 2008, 06:17:40 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on January 16, 2008, 06:00:18 PM


Literally everyone?  I don't say it, so it can't be literally everyone.

Also... just because Hezbollah "reveres" Iran doesn't make them an affiliate (and that seems like a horribly vacuous claim anyway.  What is that supposed to mean, exactly?).  There are terrorist groups attacking Turkey who "revere" the USA.  So does that mean we are attacking Turkey?  In fact, they are indirectly getting funding from the USA, and using some US-made weapons.

So I guess America is at war with Turkey.  Why do we hate Turkey?

Anyone who knows anything about the situation. Do a search for Hezbollah funding. Really you need to do some reading on Hezbollah because your denial really makes it sound like you haven't.

Reveres in that it follows an Islamist Shi'a ideology developed by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran. It wants the same things as Iran. Destruction of Israel which they both readily admit.

Who said anything about being at war? I am saying Iran is a threat to Israel and ME peace.

The US is not funding Kurds to attack Turkey. We are not calling for the destruction of Turkey. But yes I am sure Turkey is not happy with us for helping the Kurds, even though we are funding them for other reasons. But then again Turkey wants to wipe out the Kurds, so we are helping them defend themselves. Really doesn't compare to the Iran/Hezbollah thing.

And really Unbreakable, we are the same wave length here, I am definitely not trusting of the government at times, nor the press, and I don't think Iran is as a huge problem to US as Bush would like us to think. But to say they are just some harmless nation just isn't true. They are very much a threat to Israel and their actions re-enforce that. Israel is a close ally of ours, so we are involved.
2540  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 16, 2008, 05:56:04 PM

Quote from: lildrgn on January 16, 2008, 05:53:47 PM

Do Not Get.

Never played Hangman?
2541  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Macbook air on: January 16, 2008, 05:51:23 PM

Quote from: papasmurff on January 16, 2008, 05:43:54 PM

Thats right....a computer with no dvd or cd drive because according to steve jobs you no longer need one!

That's not true, it's meant as a travel computer. This is for people want an ultra mobile laptop who want to surf the net, listen to music and write email from their hotel room. I literally never use my laptops DVD drive when I travel, unless I am gaming, but who buys a Mac to game?

If you do want a DVD drive you just pay $100 more and carry it with you. Its still smaller than your average laptop. Jobs also mentions that you can transfer stuff from your PC or Mac through the wireless.

The price is high because of the technology, it will come down as always, but right now its new, and small is expensive. This thing isn't replacing the other Macs, it's a supplement for people who want the basics in a very thin, light package.
2542  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 16, 2008, 05:45:03 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on January 16, 2008, 05:12:23 PM

Quote from: Lee on January 16, 2008, 04:15:00 PM

Unbreakable, who am I supposed to believe then? I can find references all over the net to Iran and Hezbollah being linked, but you just choose not to believe it. it's kind of pointless to debate with you if you won't believe anything except what you want to.

Believe people who have been correct in the past.  That doesn't sound too difficult.

Well literally everyone says Hezbollah is funded and reveres Iran. Hezbollah doesn't deny attacking Israel, in fact they use Iranian weapons. I am not sure how you can ignore Iran calling for the destruction of Israel and then claim that they have nothing to do with attacks on them. Again they attack them directly, that doesn't mean they aren't involved.
2543  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 16, 2008, 04:15:00 PM
Unbreakable, who am I supposed to believe then? I can find references all over the net to Iran and Hezbollah being linked, but you just choose not to believe it. it's kind of pointless to debate with you if you won't believe anything except what you want to.
2544  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 16, 2008, 08:29:35 AM

Quote from: unbreakable on January 16, 2008, 05:43:29 AM

Quote from: Lee on January 16, 2008, 12:13:50 AM

Just because the terrorists are from a certain country doesn't mean that they are backed by the government, so your point is moot.

And yet, you would have me believe the opposite is true of your claim against Iran?

No. Iran openly admits they want the destruction of Israel. Iran openly funds and equips Hezbollah. One of Hezbollah official goals is the destruction of Israel. I am not going off any extreme sites here, this is all known fact. Iran may not be attacking Israel with their national guard, but they are having their guard train Hezbollah who does attack Israel.

I am not saying Iran is a threat to us, I am saying they are a threat to peace in the ME. Anyway the whole reason I got into this debate is because you said Iran never attacked Israel, which is only true in that they don't do it with their army, they just fund/equip/train other groups to do it for them. And I am not saying we don't do the same thing, and we do its no different from what Iran is doing. But we funded AQ to support our goals when their goals were different.
2545  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 16, 2008, 12:13:50 AM
Just because the terrorists are from a certain country doesn't mean that they are backed by the government, so your point is moot.

The US funded AQ during the Russian years, they became our enemy and we were not funding them, so again, your point doesn't really apply.
2546  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 15, 2008, 10:23:08 PM
Calling for the destruction of a country and then giving a group all the money and weapons they want so that can attack Israel, pretty much is attacking them directly. Just because Iran didn't send their official army doesn't mean Iran is not guilty of attacking Israel.

The US government found no evidence of the Saudi government being involved in 9/11. So conspiracy groups are the only ones I have seen saying there is any connection.
2547  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Can Britney Spears get any more crazy? on: January 15, 2008, 04:00:28 PM

Quote from: DragonFyre on January 15, 2008, 03:45:37 PM

That said - I hope the paparazzi scumbags all get hit by that same bus. I think it would be impossible for anyone to remain sane while in that kind of limelight. (The bad kind, not the gilded cages kind described by Rush)

She seems to encourage it and doesn't try to hide her life at all (heck she is dating one of them now). Yesterday when she was missing her court date she was said to be waiting in the middle of the street smoking a cigarette waiting on a furniture delivery. The week before when she was supposedly too sick to go to court she was running to 7-11 in the middle of the night for gas and smiling, laughing, and not even going in the 7-11, just walking around (and then leaving her assistant there as she drove off). Many stars seem to be able to avoid the paparazzi, while Britney seems to give them every opportunity and not hide at all.
2548  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Music. Where to get it? on: January 11, 2008, 03:21:11 PM
Amazon has a decent service of non-DRM MP3s, for $.89 a song. Not that cheap, but not bad.
2549  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 10, 2008, 10:49:20 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on January 10, 2008, 08:25:40 PM

And the thing that really gets me with all this warmongering aimed at Iran is... how many countries have they attacked in the last 100 years?

Israel. They fund Hezbollah.
2550  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 10, 2008, 01:29:13 PM

Quote from: pr0ner on January 10, 2008, 07:15:11 AM

Yay liberals.  Yay big government.

Yeah, that's only a liberal thing. icon_neutral Ignorance is bliss I guess. slywink
2551  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 10, 2008, 03:06:58 AM

Quote from: msduncan on January 10, 2008, 03:04:41 AM

What we believe is fact.    Anyone that doesn't believe it is ignorant.    We are not tolerant of ignorance.

You should have put a smilie after that, otherwise you look slightly intolerant and irrational yourself.
2552  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Obama takes Iowa-is this the end for Hillary? on: January 10, 2008, 02:58:05 AM

Quote from: msduncan on January 10, 2008, 02:56:13 AM

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Isn't that how msduncans ilk do?

Classy.

You just compared someone who disagrees with you to a terrorist in another thread. I think you lost any chance of being the decider of class.
2553  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 10, 2008, 02:55:01 AM

Quote from: msduncan on January 10, 2008, 02:49:28 AM

Question:   if the left is supposed to be so tolerant, why in the **** are you guys the most obnoxious and intolerant of anyone I know?

Rush
O'Reilly
Hannity
Glen Beck
Cavuto
Liddy
Keys
Etc.

Yeah, the liberals are the intolerant obnoxious ones.
2554  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 10, 2008, 02:48:00 AM
The only thing left I can say about it is this (not there really is anything left to say): We don't know how it went down. It could have been "Sorry Ma'am, we know this is silly, it will take 5 minutes but we have to go through the procedures." Notice she didn't say anyone stopped her from hugging her child, she was just re-searched afterwards, which probably meant a wand, not a strip search. She also wasn't delayed enough to miss her flight.

Or it could have been the Men in Black putting everyone in separate rooms quizzing them for hours, after the strip searches of course, with them just barely making their flight.

Or maybe it was somewhere in between, but in the video there didn't seem to be any outrage (or many details), it seemed the mother thought it was all just a bit silly more than anything else. We may be over reacting to the whole thing.

And finally, I just have to say Blackader, you are a bad ass.
2555  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 09, 2008, 11:45:20 PM
As has been said, I doubt the list contains details. If their lists says a 6' tall man with a tattoo on his right arm, then no, this would not be acceptable. Refine the list, but until it is, they have to follow procedures.
2556  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 09, 2008, 11:42:12 PM

Quote from: noun on January 09, 2008, 11:37:08 PM

Ah, the old "they didn't mind having their liberties irrationally violated, so why should you care?" argument.

I care because a 5 year old showing up on a no-fly list is a big indicator that something is broken. That they searched him anyway is a sign that no one plans on fixing it.

I am not saying things couldn't be refined, but in all honesty if national security inconveniences a few people a day, I just don't have a problem with it.
2557  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 09, 2008, 11:40:22 PM

Quote from: noun on January 09, 2008, 11:28:09 PM

Quote from: Lee on January 09, 2008, 11:22:00 PM

I am a fool then

Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.

Or it's another sign I need to avoid internet forums.

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I watched a tape of Palestinian kids armed with rifles talking about the death of Israel.

This is relevant how?

Terrorist using/brainwashing kids for their purpose.

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I, and my coworker, were singled out by the TSA and giving a more thorough search because we were told to tell them we were active duty military on orders. I had to wait another 10-20 minutes and had to have my bags searched more thoroughly because of it. I find the story amusing, but I didn't over react about it.

I wonder how you'd react if they were searching your child and preventing you from comforting him.

As has been said, I don't have kid's so I can't comment. I need more information and the other side of things too. This could have been a 5 minute thing and the kid could have been 5' away from her and not at all upset. Was the research of the mother a 5 second thing just because they were following procedure?

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They are doing their jobs

What are you basing this on?

Well I would assume when a name is flagged they have a checklist to go on. Saying "Oh, it's just a kid, the list must be wrong, let him through" would not be acceptable and would be a serious breach of security.
2558  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 09, 2008, 11:31:15 PM
After watching the video (only read the article before), we don't have much information to go by. How long were they detained (they still made their flight)? The mother implies, with a smile, that her son was accused of bing a criminal, but it just sounds like his name was on the list so they searched him and his belongings. He wasn't accused of anything, just had to go through an extra search. This really is a non-story.

They followed their checklists is all, they did their jobs. If it was some reporter trying to test them and he was allowed through there would be the same outrage.
2559  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 09, 2008, 11:22:00 PM

Quote from: noun on January 09, 2008, 11:13:04 PM

Quote from: Lee on January 09, 2008, 11:10:16 PM

Quote from: noun on January 09, 2008, 10:55:14 PM

First comment on the article says it all - the terrorists have won.

Yep, since we can only bring bottled water on a flight and the occasional person goes through a hassle, they have won. If that is winning, then we really need to consider our lives a little more closely. We are bitching about inconveniences, nothing more.

No. We are bitching because our nation has become IRRATIONAL due to FEAR. Anyone that thinks some crying 5 year old is a security risk is a fool.



I am a fool then, kids can be used. I watched a tape of Palestinian kids armed with rifles talking about the death of Israel. And even if the kid didn't know any better he could be used. I am not saying this is a great thing, I just can't generate any outrage over it. As I said, the one time something thought to be minor does get through that no one would have thought of, where will the outrage be?

I, and my coworker, were singled out by the TSA and giving a more thorough search because we were told to tell them we were active duty military on orders. I had to wait another 10-20 minutes and had to have my bags searched more thoroughly because of it. I find the story amusing, but I didn't over react about it. They are doing their jobs and if they didn't there would be even more outrage.
2560  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 09, 2008, 11:10:16 PM

Quote from: noun on January 09, 2008, 10:55:14 PM

First comment on the article says it all - the terrorists have won.

Yep, since we can only bring bottled water on a flight and the occasional person goes through a hassle, they have won. If that is winning, then we really need to consider our lives a little more closely. We are bitching about inconveniences, nothing more.

If a 5 year old was on the do not fly list because he was a son of a major threat, but he was allowed on the flight and something did happen, what would be the result? The TSA has a list, they did their jobs, yeah it sucks that has to go on, but come on, really, the terrorists have won?
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