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2281  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Macbook air on: January 16, 2008, 06:19:54 PM
Nope it's $1800 for the one with a regular hard drive and $3100 for the one with the SSD. Not at all cheap.
2282  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 16, 2008, 06:17:40 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on January 16, 2008, 06:00:18 PM


Literally everyone?  I don't say it, so it can't be literally everyone.

Also... just because Hezbollah "reveres" Iran doesn't make them an affiliate (and that seems like a horribly vacuous claim anyway.  What is that supposed to mean, exactly?).  There are terrorist groups attacking Turkey who "revere" the USA.  So does that mean we are attacking Turkey?  In fact, they are indirectly getting funding from the USA, and using some US-made weapons.

So I guess America is at war with Turkey.  Why do we hate Turkey?

Anyone who knows anything about the situation. Do a search for Hezbollah funding. Really you need to do some reading on Hezbollah because your denial really makes it sound like you haven't.

Reveres in that it follows an Islamist Shi'a ideology developed by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran. It wants the same things as Iran. Destruction of Israel which they both readily admit.

Who said anything about being at war? I am saying Iran is a threat to Israel and ME peace.

The US is not funding Kurds to attack Turkey. We are not calling for the destruction of Turkey. But yes I am sure Turkey is not happy with us for helping the Kurds, even though we are funding them for other reasons. But then again Turkey wants to wipe out the Kurds, so we are helping them defend themselves. Really doesn't compare to the Iran/Hezbollah thing.

And really Unbreakable, we are the same wave length here, I am definitely not trusting of the government at times, nor the press, and I don't think Iran is as a huge problem to US as Bush would like us to think. But to say they are just some harmless nation just isn't true. They are very much a threat to Israel and their actions re-enforce that. Israel is a close ally of ours, so we are involved.
2283  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 16, 2008, 05:56:04 PM

Quote from: lildrgn on January 16, 2008, 05:53:47 PM

Do Not Get.

Never played Hangman?
2284  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Macbook air on: January 16, 2008, 05:51:23 PM

Quote from: papasmurff on January 16, 2008, 05:43:54 PM

Thats right....a computer with no dvd or cd drive because according to steve jobs you no longer need one!

That's not true, it's meant as a travel computer. This is for people want an ultra mobile laptop who want to surf the net, listen to music and write email from their hotel room. I literally never use my laptops DVD drive when I travel, unless I am gaming, but who buys a Mac to game?

If you do want a DVD drive you just pay $100 more and carry it with you. Its still smaller than your average laptop. Jobs also mentions that you can transfer stuff from your PC or Mac through the wireless.

The price is high because of the technology, it will come down as always, but right now its new, and small is expensive. This thing isn't replacing the other Macs, it's a supplement for people who want the basics in a very thin, light package.
2285  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 16, 2008, 05:45:03 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on January 16, 2008, 05:12:23 PM

Quote from: Lee on January 16, 2008, 04:15:00 PM

Unbreakable, who am I supposed to believe then? I can find references all over the net to Iran and Hezbollah being linked, but you just choose not to believe it. it's kind of pointless to debate with you if you won't believe anything except what you want to.

Believe people who have been correct in the past.  That doesn't sound too difficult.

Well literally everyone says Hezbollah is funded and reveres Iran. Hezbollah doesn't deny attacking Israel, in fact they use Iranian weapons. I am not sure how you can ignore Iran calling for the destruction of Israel and then claim that they have nothing to do with attacks on them. Again they attack them directly, that doesn't mean they aren't involved.
2286  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 16, 2008, 04:15:00 PM
Unbreakable, who am I supposed to believe then? I can find references all over the net to Iran and Hezbollah being linked, but you just choose not to believe it. it's kind of pointless to debate with you if you won't believe anything except what you want to.
2287  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 16, 2008, 08:29:35 AM

Quote from: unbreakable on January 16, 2008, 05:43:29 AM

Quote from: Lee on January 16, 2008, 12:13:50 AM

Just because the terrorists are from a certain country doesn't mean that they are backed by the government, so your point is moot.

And yet, you would have me believe the opposite is true of your claim against Iran?

No. Iran openly admits they want the destruction of Israel. Iran openly funds and equips Hezbollah. One of Hezbollah official goals is the destruction of Israel. I am not going off any extreme sites here, this is all known fact. Iran may not be attacking Israel with their national guard, but they are having their guard train Hezbollah who does attack Israel.

I am not saying Iran is a threat to us, I am saying they are a threat to peace in the ME. Anyway the whole reason I got into this debate is because you said Iran never attacked Israel, which is only true in that they don't do it with their army, they just fund/equip/train other groups to do it for them. And I am not saying we don't do the same thing, and we do its no different from what Iran is doing. But we funded AQ to support our goals when their goals were different.
2288  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 16, 2008, 12:13:50 AM
Just because the terrorists are from a certain country doesn't mean that they are backed by the government, so your point is moot.

The US funded AQ during the Russian years, they became our enemy and we were not funding them, so again, your point doesn't really apply.
2289  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 15, 2008, 10:23:08 PM
Calling for the destruction of a country and then giving a group all the money and weapons they want so that can attack Israel, pretty much is attacking them directly. Just because Iran didn't send their official army doesn't mean Iran is not guilty of attacking Israel.

The US government found no evidence of the Saudi government being involved in 9/11. So conspiracy groups are the only ones I have seen saying there is any connection.
2290  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Can Britney Spears get any more crazy? on: January 15, 2008, 04:00:28 PM

Quote from: DragonFyre on January 15, 2008, 03:45:37 PM

That said - I hope the paparazzi scumbags all get hit by that same bus. I think it would be impossible for anyone to remain sane while in that kind of limelight. (The bad kind, not the gilded cages kind described by Rush)

She seems to encourage it and doesn't try to hide her life at all (heck she is dating one of them now). Yesterday when she was missing her court date she was said to be waiting in the middle of the street smoking a cigarette waiting on a furniture delivery. The week before when she was supposedly too sick to go to court she was running to 7-11 in the middle of the night for gas and smiling, laughing, and not even going in the 7-11, just walking around (and then leaving her assistant there as she drove off). Many stars seem to be able to avoid the paparazzi, while Britney seems to give them every opportunity and not hide at all.
2291  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Music. Where to get it? on: January 11, 2008, 03:21:11 PM
Amazon has a decent service of non-DRM MP3s, for $.89 a song. Not that cheap, but not bad.
2292  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 10, 2008, 10:49:20 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on January 10, 2008, 08:25:40 PM

And the thing that really gets me with all this warmongering aimed at Iran is... how many countries have they attacked in the last 100 years?

Israel. They fund Hezbollah.
2293  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 10, 2008, 01:29:13 PM

Quote from: pr0ner on January 10, 2008, 07:15:11 AM

Yay liberals.  Yay big government.

Yeah, that's only a liberal thing. icon_neutral Ignorance is bliss I guess. slywink
2294  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 10, 2008, 03:06:58 AM

Quote from: msduncan on January 10, 2008, 03:04:41 AM

What we believe is fact.    Anyone that doesn't believe it is ignorant.    We are not tolerant of ignorance.

You should have put a smilie after that, otherwise you look slightly intolerant and irrational yourself.
2295  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Obama takes Iowa-is this the end for Hillary? on: January 10, 2008, 02:58:05 AM

Quote from: msduncan on January 10, 2008, 02:56:13 AM

Quote

Isn't that how msduncans ilk do?

Classy.

You just compared someone who disagrees with you to a terrorist in another thread. I think you lost any chance of being the decider of class.
2296  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 10, 2008, 02:55:01 AM

Quote from: msduncan on January 10, 2008, 02:49:28 AM

Question:   if the left is supposed to be so tolerant, why in the **** are you guys the most obnoxious and intolerant of anyone I know?

Rush
O'Reilly
Hannity
Glen Beck
Cavuto
Liddy
Keys
Etc.

Yeah, the liberals are the intolerant obnoxious ones.
2297  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 10, 2008, 02:48:00 AM
The only thing left I can say about it is this (not there really is anything left to say): We don't know how it went down. It could have been "Sorry Ma'am, we know this is silly, it will take 5 minutes but we have to go through the procedures." Notice she didn't say anyone stopped her from hugging her child, she was just re-searched afterwards, which probably meant a wand, not a strip search. She also wasn't delayed enough to miss her flight.

Or it could have been the Men in Black putting everyone in separate rooms quizzing them for hours, after the strip searches of course, with them just barely making their flight.

Or maybe it was somewhere in between, but in the video there didn't seem to be any outrage (or many details), it seemed the mother thought it was all just a bit silly more than anything else. We may be over reacting to the whole thing.

And finally, I just have to say Blackader, you are a bad ass.
2298  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 09, 2008, 11:45:20 PM
As has been said, I doubt the list contains details. If their lists says a 6' tall man with a tattoo on his right arm, then no, this would not be acceptable. Refine the list, but until it is, they have to follow procedures.
2299  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 09, 2008, 11:42:12 PM

Quote from: noun on January 09, 2008, 11:37:08 PM

Ah, the old "they didn't mind having their liberties irrationally violated, so why should you care?" argument.

I care because a 5 year old showing up on a no-fly list is a big indicator that something is broken. That they searched him anyway is a sign that no one plans on fixing it.

I am not saying things couldn't be refined, but in all honesty if national security inconveniences a few people a day, I just don't have a problem with it.
2300  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 09, 2008, 11:40:22 PM

Quote from: noun on January 09, 2008, 11:28:09 PM

Quote from: Lee on January 09, 2008, 11:22:00 PM

I am a fool then

Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.

Or it's another sign I need to avoid internet forums.

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I watched a tape of Palestinian kids armed with rifles talking about the death of Israel.

This is relevant how?

Terrorist using/brainwashing kids for their purpose.

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I, and my coworker, were singled out by the TSA and giving a more thorough search because we were told to tell them we were active duty military on orders. I had to wait another 10-20 minutes and had to have my bags searched more thoroughly because of it. I find the story amusing, but I didn't over react about it.

I wonder how you'd react if they were searching your child and preventing you from comforting him.

As has been said, I don't have kid's so I can't comment. I need more information and the other side of things too. This could have been a 5 minute thing and the kid could have been 5' away from her and not at all upset. Was the research of the mother a 5 second thing just because they were following procedure?

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They are doing their jobs

What are you basing this on?

Well I would assume when a name is flagged they have a checklist to go on. Saying "Oh, it's just a kid, the list must be wrong, let him through" would not be acceptable and would be a serious breach of security.
2301  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 09, 2008, 11:31:15 PM
After watching the video (only read the article before), we don't have much information to go by. How long were they detained (they still made their flight)? The mother implies, with a smile, that her son was accused of bing a criminal, but it just sounds like his name was on the list so they searched him and his belongings. He wasn't accused of anything, just had to go through an extra search. This really is a non-story.

They followed their checklists is all, they did their jobs. If it was some reporter trying to test them and he was allowed through there would be the same outrage.
2302  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 09, 2008, 11:22:00 PM

Quote from: noun on January 09, 2008, 11:13:04 PM

Quote from: Lee on January 09, 2008, 11:10:16 PM

Quote from: noun on January 09, 2008, 10:55:14 PM

First comment on the article says it all - the terrorists have won.

Yep, since we can only bring bottled water on a flight and the occasional person goes through a hassle, they have won. If that is winning, then we really need to consider our lives a little more closely. We are bitching about inconveniences, nothing more.

No. We are bitching because our nation has become IRRATIONAL due to FEAR. Anyone that thinks some crying 5 year old is a security risk is a fool.



I am a fool then, kids can be used. I watched a tape of Palestinian kids armed with rifles talking about the death of Israel. And even if the kid didn't know any better he could be used. I am not saying this is a great thing, I just can't generate any outrage over it. As I said, the one time something thought to be minor does get through that no one would have thought of, where will the outrage be?

I, and my coworker, were singled out by the TSA and giving a more thorough search because we were told to tell them we were active duty military on orders. I had to wait another 10-20 minutes and had to have my bags searched more thoroughly because of it. I find the story amusing, but I didn't over react about it. They are doing their jobs and if they didn't there would be even more outrage.
2303  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 09, 2008, 11:10:16 PM

Quote from: noun on January 09, 2008, 10:55:14 PM

First comment on the article says it all - the terrorists have won.

Yep, since we can only bring bottled water on a flight and the occasional person goes through a hassle, they have won. If that is winning, then we really need to consider our lives a little more closely. We are bitching about inconveniences, nothing more.

If a 5 year old was on the do not fly list because he was a son of a major threat, but he was allowed on the flight and something did happen, what would be the result? The TSA has a list, they did their jobs, yeah it sucks that has to go on, but come on, really, the terrorists have won?
2304  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 09, 2008, 09:40:55 PM

Quote from: Calvin on January 09, 2008, 09:34:15 PM

Quote from: Lee on January 09, 2008, 09:23:14 PM

Good, I am glad they did their jobs. These groups use kids quite often.
You would feel the same way if it was your kid. Absolutely. For sure.

No, as a white guy I wouldn't, but profiling works. I have been picked out by the TSA because I am military, and the inconvenience was minor.

I have watched a few documentaries on the Palestinians, and the use kids to their advantage. Get to them while they are young and use them to your advantage basically. I wouldn't put it past AQ to do the same if it suited them. So I am sorry the family was inconvenienced, but in the end, tough shit.

The TSA is in a no win situation. If they are over protective they get crap, but if one incident gets by them, we would be saying they are worthless.
2305  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: TSA perfects the "art" of zero tolerance. on: January 09, 2008, 09:23:14 PM
Good, I am glad they did their jobs. These groups use kids quite often.
2306  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Portal:First Slice free to nVidia users on: January 09, 2008, 08:59:25 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on January 09, 2008, 08:29:50 PM

Quote from: Zarkon on January 09, 2008, 08:27:29 PM

Clicked on it, and nothing happened.  Did it again and it worked, but then said I already redeemed it on another account.  What'd I do wrong?

I assume you checked your Steam Games list?  maybe if you have the full version it doesn't show up.

I click on the "I have Steam installed" button, IE/Firefox asks me if I want to run a program, I click yes/allow and then nothing. Nothing shows up in my Steam games either.

Edit: Got it. Exit Steam completely, then run the above link. Steam will log on and ask you if you want to install Portal.
2307  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 09, 2008, 07:49:01 PM
The scary part is half of the girls are his wives. smile
2308  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Well, so much for those polls that had Obama up in NH by double digits. on: January 09, 2008, 07:23:37 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on January 09, 2008, 07:06:35 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on January 09, 2008, 06:45:47 PM

Yeah the Clintons have never been mentioned in connection with some shady business deals or people of questionable character.   Roll Eyes
There was a very long, drawn out, and expensive (how many hundreds of millions?) investigation... and the only thing they came up with was... a BJ.

Yeah, but they came out with a lot of people (including me) thinking that they got away with something. I don't think the Clintons were innocent in Whitewater, and now they have a stigma attached to them because of it.
2309  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Minty green PSP..uh...ewww on: January 09, 2008, 07:02:23 PM
Really like the color myself.
2310  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Well, so much for those polls that had Obama up in NH by double digits. on: January 09, 2008, 05:17:19 PM

Quote from: pr0ner on January 09, 2008, 05:09:46 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on January 09, 2008, 05:02:12 PM

But I like it the way one blogger framed it: it's nice that nobody is getting coronated (despite the media's attempts to do so), and that all the candidates actually have to (gasp!) make their case to the voters.

Cite.  In particular, the "despite the media's attempts to do so".

I don't know if you can cite that, just go to/watch CNN, MSNBC, etc and decide for yourself. Edwards isn't getting a lot of talk on MSNBC when I have watched last night and last Thursday. It's all about Hilliary and Obama with very little even said about the Republicans.

I did watch Fox for awhile last night and they seemed to be only talking about the republicans.
2311  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Well, so much for those polls that had Obama up in NH by double digits. on: January 09, 2008, 05:13:39 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on January 09, 2008, 05:02:12 PM

But... LOL, did you see his "victory" speech?  Wow.  Bad.

The only truly great speeches I have seen, from either side, are from Obama. He comes across as very presidential and is winning me over a bit more every time I see him talk. He's a natural at it.
2312  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 09, 2008, 04:33:04 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on January 09, 2008, 04:28:03 PM

there's no way that's real.  please?

It couldn't be, the water would seep into the back pf the power strip. Unless it's some ultra rare/expensive water proof strip of course.
2313  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Iranian Boats (possibly with GWB at the helm) Harass US Warship on: January 08, 2008, 11:26:46 PM

Quote from: ATB on January 08, 2008, 08:13:12 PM

You believe Iranian state run TV more so than liberal mouthpiece CNN?

The only people who say that don't watch CNN. Just because everything isn't pro-Bush and they don't show a bunch of pieces saying how great he is. They also don't fill up their time slots with very biased commentary like some other station does (Larry King is hardly political 95% of the time). I would say CNN leans to the left, but they are hardly a mouth piece for the left. Now Fox is 100% right and their shows reflect it. They call it the no spin zone, but it is the complete opposite. And don't get me wrong, I don't like CNN, but if I want news without the commentary they are who I go to.

On a related note I was listening to Rush on phoner call in Friday. A major topic was that people were mad because Rush wouldn't go over each candidate and say whether they were conservative or not. To Rush's credit he refused to do so, but people were upset with him for it. It's like they wanted to be told how to think.
2314  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: SpaceForce Captains rpg/rts/tacbat on: January 08, 2008, 02:04:34 AM

Quote from: ROTC1983 on January 07, 2008, 11:18:17 PM

I might take the plunge and just purchase it.  smile

I wouldn't, it appears to be unplayable it's so buggy. JoWoods patch history is not very good either, but a patch is in the works.

News comments section from official website (the forums don't say much).
2315  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Obama takes Iowa-is this the end for Hillary? on: January 07, 2008, 06:52:16 AM

Quote from: Graham on January 07, 2008, 06:16:41 AM

Show me where in the Constitution that our social programs are supposed to be funded by the government.  It specifically says that the government is responsible for post offices, posting roads, and army, navy, and posting defenses.  It doesn't say anything about funding social programs.

Does it mention the Air Force in there?? I hope so or we're going to have to get rid of it since the Constitution doesn't actually call for one.
2316  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Decent looking Sci Fi movie coming out Tuesday: Sunshine on: January 06, 2008, 10:29:06 PM
You forgot to mention one thing, it's supposed to be good! smile 76% on Rotten Tomatoes and 7.3 on IMDb.
2317  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Netflix or Blockbuster for Blu-Ray? on: January 05, 2008, 07:31:14 PM
As a side note Netflix's Watch it Now service is greatly improving. While the library needs to expand I can always find something I wouldn't mind seeing on there if I am bored. The full screen picture is quite good now, close to standard TV I would say, although the lack of forward and back buttons is annoying.
2318  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: David Lynch does an iPhone commercial on: January 05, 2008, 07:23:42 PM
Who buys a phone to watch movies on? It's more of an "I am stuck at the airport for 5 hours and I need something to do" kind of thing. Not to mention that there are tons of movies that are perfectly acceptable on a small screen (including most of DL's movies).
2319  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Awesome Video - If it's Real! on: January 01, 2008, 09:37:07 PM
Yeah that's a pretty cool video (search Youtube for "Nike soccer" or "Joga Bonito", there are a few good ones out there). Supposedly Nike admitted that it was fake, but I never saw anything official. Ronaldinho is really good (at least he used to be, he likes to party too much nowadays), but I doubt he is that good, so I would vote fake which seemed to be the general consensus when I first saw it a couple of years ago.
2320  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Just out of curiousity... on: December 30, 2007, 08:22:34 PM
Now that everyone seems to like the PS3 here, can we bring back Hetz too? slywink
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