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1  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Has Art regressed? on: August 12, 2008, 06:42:38 AM

Quote from: hepcat on August 11, 2008, 06:18:53 PM

I actually consider learning about the 1919 Paris Armory show to be one of the highlights of my brief tenure as an art major
2  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sign ups - Battlestar Galactica (WW Game variant) 1 more needed! on: May 06, 2008, 05:33:15 PM
3  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sign ups - Battlestar Galactica (WW Game variant) 1 more needed! on: May 06, 2008, 05:03:02 PM

Quote from: rickfc on May 06, 2008, 04:58:18 PM

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Grund, do you want to play?  I think this game would me much better with you and not Newcastle.  biggrin
Of course it would!  But that's precisely why Newcastle can use the practice. slywink
4  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sign ups - Battlestar Galactica (WW Game variant) 1 more needed! on: May 06, 2008, 04:45:18 PM

My sincere apologies to anyone I offended through my stridency and rigidity in the recent Werewolf kerfuffle.  If my part or actions continue to offend anyone, I would encourage PM communication so that we can reconcile.

I understand that extenuating circumstances colored everything, and have offered my heartfelt apology to DarkEL for pressing him.

Ron has handled the situation with balance and reason; he has my thanks.

With bygones in place, I see no reason to play the drama card and leave in a huff.  I think the whole affair escalated beyond what was needed; I'm sure my sarcasm played a part in that, for which I apologize.

Purge and I have also buried the hatchet, I think.
5  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 06, 2008, 05:20:30 AM

Quote from: warning on May 06, 2008, 04:55:30 AM

If I were Ron I'd give him a talking-to and let him know I'd like it to not happen again.  And I think I'd be safe in saying that it wouldn't happen again.

I'm not sure what you're looking for here Grundbegriff.
I'd be content to hear from Ron that he understands the serious underlying issue regarding how representatives of his site behave, that he has clarified to DarkEL that DarkEL's behavior was inappropriate, and that Ron guarantees that any similar abuse in the future will have genuine rather than pro-forma consquences.  With that in hand, I'd at least feel, as I depart, that someone more mature than the guys in the tiny car is running the circus.  I had no particular feelings about GT when I arrived a few days ago to play Werewolf, and I'd like to leave with a similar, neutral impression of the place rather than with the negative impression that DarkEL's fumble, Purge's histrionics, and your hospitality have created.

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You say you're out the door but are hanging around because you want to know what Ron is going to say?  I'm guessing it will be something like "I'm sorry this happened.  He was out of line and I'm handling it and it won't happen again."  Are you expecting to be privy to more that that?
Nope.  I'm simply doing him the courtesy of waiting to hear from him, since DarkEL's offense was against Ron, whom DarkEL represented, and not only against me.  Why do you have a problem with my doing that?

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If you need to leave then I don't think anyone would blame you or stand in your way.  If I were in your situation I would probably leave too.  That fact that you continue to post here bewilders me.
Relax.  As soon as Ron puts in whatever appearance he will, I'll fade.  My understanding is that he's recovering from food poisoning, so I'm more than willing to give him whatever time he needs.

He's understandably busy, and I'm not committed to any particular timeline.  Why so antsy?

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you hanging around here waiting for Ron to get back makes you look like the kid who got his lunch money taken by the bully and is now standing outside the principal's office with a smirk, waiting to hear the bully get yelled at.  It makes you look petty.
I'm just chillin'.  Why so critical?  Why the elaborate schoolyard metaphors?  I'm certainly not experiencing anything like what you describe, so I'm left puzzled at your description.

But tell me: is my presence in a single relevant thread in a meta forum really so disruptive that you feel the need to comment?

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You've said you're leaving but you haven't.
I'm simply hanging around until Ron has the final word.  No biggie.

Why all the fuss?  I'm doing you no harm.  In fact, I haven't paid attention to you at all.

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Obviously this place isn't going to feel welcome to you after what happened so my suggestion would be to go ahead and close the door.
I don't recall having asked for your suggestion.  I do recall having stated, rather clearly and more than once, my exact intention: I'll wait around until Ron has an opportunity to contribute whatever he will, and then I'll shake the dust off my feet and move to a less ingrown province.
6  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 06, 2008, 03:39:42 AM

Quote from: Purge on May 06, 2008, 03:15:46 AM

the most irritating cavalier attitude I've seen since -LE-.
Please....  Roll Eyes

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you've made some pretty wild claims
False.  I've claimed only what's demonstrable.

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Every single time you post on this particular incident without addressing your behaviour it irks me more.
Do you have some specific demand to make, or are you just venting for your own satisfaction?

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Read through your posts and tell me you don't see the comments as acerbic and patronizing. I'd have sent this in PM but I'd rather not have to see it appear a thread sometime later.
Don't issue empty threats under color of authority in your PMs, and you won't see them appear in a thread sometime later.  Pretty simple, eh?

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"I'm leaving, but I'm hanging around here to see what KD has to say". Why bother?
Because I'm interested in what he has to say.

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You expect others to have some thick skin to put up with baiting, but you feel threatened because some dude on the internet says "I'm gonna kick your ass in Maryland"? What? Based on the pattern of your posting here, this simply cannot be the first time someone has offered to assist you in adjusting the way your pants fit; I would expect it would likely fall into a monthly occurance.
I grew up around violence you can probably not even imagine; I'm not inclined to feel threatened when someone in an emotional tizzy issues a taunt like DarkEL's.  I am offended as a member of the community that someone operating as an Admin does so, in private, while acting pious in public.  That is the point, and if he had made the same threat but hadn't been an Admin, I likely would've ignored it, as I ignore most nonsense.

I'm surprised you still don't get it.  Admins should never do what DarkEL did.  They shouldn't threaten forum members, and they shouldn't edit members' content unless authorized to do so.

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I'm just tired of the "He's staff so he should be fired" crap. Get off it; GT is better than this.
I'm glad you feel that way.  However, my experience of GT so far is that I came in friendship to play Werewolf with some OO comrades, as we've been doing together for more than a year, and found myself on the receiving end of a maladjusted Admin's hectoring.  I'd like to agree with you, but things don't look quite so pretty from this vantage.
7  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 06, 2008, 01:03:08 AM

Quote from: naednek on May 06, 2008, 12:41:54 AM

I'm sorry you felt that mods (ie myself) that I didn't do my job, or that it wasn't handled properly.  I made you and everyone aware that this has been reported and Knightshade gets all reports as well.  I felt uncomfortable going over Knightshade's back by disciplining his staff, so I told you I would let him handle it.  Knightshade mentioned on the forums that he's been sick all weekend, which may be the reason why it hasn't been addressed.  We had an issue with another staff attacking a user, and I did the same thing, I let Knightshade  handle it since it was staff.  It like you asking me to go over my boss' head to get something done, sorry I don't work like that.

I think you're misinterpreting me.  I understand that Ron is the one who has to make the decisions regarding DarkEL.

That's why I'm hanging around.  I want to see what he has to say.

Don't accuse me of asking you to go over your boss's head; that's nonsense.

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I'm sorry you feel his apology was half hearted.  When Dark El decided to edit out your thread, he just made his bed, and now he has to lie in it.  But he did come out and immediately apologized to you and the forum, as well as to me before sending my PM to him.
Yeah, but this unfolded in a context where he had already followed the act-out/apologize pattern twice, which suggests a more general do-anything/apologize pattern as his modus operandi.

I understand if life has overwhelmed him in such a way that he can't keep his act together.  I understand if he can't help but follow the abuse/apologize pattern while he's dealing with complex emotions.  But then, for that very reason, maybe this isn't the time for him to be engaging in forum activities such as competitive role-playing games
8  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 09:18:37 PM

Quote from: The Meal on May 05, 2008, 08:14:18 PM

Sorry, I've lost focus on having a point. frown
I don't know what you said, but be sure to show MHS the William Holman Hunt painting.
9  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 07:47:24 PM

Quote from: The Meal on May 05, 2008, 07:38:25 PM

Grund seems to be in denial about his posting style and how it could be taken (especially in forum game threads).
For the record, a certain amount of jockeying is totally normal in a game of werewolf.  DarkEL complained that I was being manipulative and boasting about my influence.

Well, I mean... it is a game of Werewolf, isn't it?  A game of fiction, roleplaying, manipulation, and discernment?  Soulchilde/tru1cy seemed to get this, even if some others didn't.

Does anyone who has tracked those games at OO deny that cultivating a certain mystique or a vaguely intimidating mien has strategic value?  I brought to the gaming table a certain abruptness and sarcasm that have tactical value, as my exploits in the game at OO show.  When DarkEL decided to inform me that he was wanted in twelve systems, I turned some of it his way.  Each time he goaded me, I responded in a way that seemed fitting, and always with humor (occasionally at the expense of the personality he was projecting.  I hope it's a lesser and different version of his actual personality).

I'm not unaware of this. I just reckon it's different from saying "I don't like you.  Never have" or from saying "you must be the worst player ever" or from saying "you suck at logic" or from saying "you people have your heads up your asses" or from saying any of the other choice contributions DarkEL made to the thread.

I didn't reply in kind; I replied with a healthy dose of mockery for folly such as what I've just paraphrased.

You can maintain that I'm in denial, but actually tracking the points where DarkEL was offensive, and the points where I responded, will show (a) who went too far, and (b) who kept it alive.  I do not accept the mythology that DarkEL tried to end it and I tried to keep it alive; that's not what the facts show.

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This is a stylistic thing, similar to those who like to make obviously humorous responses but then not include the smiley at the end indicating as such.  It can cause trouble.
I think that's insightful.  On the other hand, I hadn't done anything particularly abrasive at the time DarkEL started to ride me, and certainly did nothing to warrant his weird pop-psych-profiling PMs.

10  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 07:35:00 PM

Quote from: ATB on May 05, 2008, 07:26:18 PM

A loser is you!
Such a testimony.
11  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 07:31:12 PM

Quote from: The Meal on May 05, 2008, 07:14:55 PM



That response is charming, but as dramatic oil-based readheads go, I much prefer this one:

12  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 07:22:55 PM

Quote from: ATB on May 05, 2008, 07:12:32 PM

Quote from: Grundbegriff on May 05, 2008, 07:10:59 PM

Quote from: ATB on May 05, 2008, 07:06:09 PM

Didn't learn your lesson about the baiting did you?
I'm the one walking away. 
I can see that. I look forward to your next reponse!
You seem accidentally to have deleted the part where I mention lingering here in the meta-discussion until Ron states his view.

Your wit ought not to depend on deception; distortion is sufficient.
13  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 07:10:59 PM

Quote from: ATB on May 05, 2008, 07:06:09 PM

Didn't learn your lesson about the baiting did you?
Lesson?  Dude-- I'm the one walking away.  I linger only to hear Ron's word on the matter rather than prejudge him.

Besides, you needn't consider it baiting if someone asks you how your Jesus thing is going.  Right?
14  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 06:58:37 PM

Quote from: DarkEL on May 05, 2008, 03:23:58 PM

I apologized for mentioning that we could work things out in RL one day (which isn't an abnormal thing, I work at a Government agency with a lot of other ex-military guys.
All my customers are military and government.

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There have been times where we take things out to the parking lot to work them out)
Impressive.

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however since you're obviously not from a world where men work out there differences that way
Guess you've got me pegged. biggrin

This note was actually just a pretext for linking to the funny Onion article...
15  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 06:44:04 PM

Quote from: ATB on May 05, 2008, 06:38:06 PM

Sometimes the point is missed no matter how smart someone is!  Oh wait. The question was rhetorical and I know what that means.  This is also a rhetorical question: Purge is awesome.  PS: JABS LEE WITH A NEEDLE.
Sought approval lately?
16  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 06:14:03 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on May 05, 2008, 06:10:00 PM

FWIW, he may mean notified in the sense that "Report Post" sends an mail to the moderators and Ron.  But if Ron's been busy and/or under the weather and hasn't been on the site or checked his email then he may be unaware.
Thanks for explaining that.  So then, how does ATB's contribution add anything not already both obvious and underway?

The question is rhetorical.
17  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 06:09:40 PM

Quote from: Lee on May 05, 2008, 06:07:42 PM

You know, Grund is the sole reason we had drama at OO.

That's a strange thing to say, Lee.  I was seldom at the center of drama at OO, and was never the subject of any moderator's intervention at any time.

Why would you want to lie this way?
18  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 06:08:26 PM

Quote from: ATB on May 05, 2008, 06:04:20 PM

Bottom Line- Take it to KD.  Concerns about policy go to him.


Perhaps you missed this relevant detail:

Quote from: DarkEL on May 05, 2008, 02:22:56 PM

I have not heard anything yet from Ron - although I know he has been notified.
19  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 05, 2008, 06:05:15 PM

Quote from: Austin on May 05, 2008, 05:32:17 PM

Quote from: Grundbegriff on May 05, 2008, 05:23:56 PM

I'm not so sure about Raven VII.
Raven VI maybe, but VII has all the kinks worked out.
You Nexus.  I make your eyes.
20  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 05:58:05 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on May 05, 2008, 05:28:16 PM

Arkon's concern is valid and the issue that arose in that thread seemed to concern more than just DarkEL and Grundbegriff and potentially had implications for the community at large so I see no problem with a forum member using this subforum to discuss any concerns the community may have over what transpired.

It seems to me that there's a real issue of policy here independent of any egos.
21  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 05:53:36 PM

Quote from: Purge on May 05, 2008, 05:27:20 PM

I'd be pissed if someone took what I was saying in PM and started posting it as condemnation and only with some of the context.
You shouldn't keep implying that I limited the context in any misleading way.  I provided the full text of my two messages to DarkEL, which is certainly no violation of anyone's privacy, and I withheld most of DarkEL's abusive content, presenting only his threat.  Further context only would've made him look worse, and I saw no reason to expose the full range of his asshattery.

Why are you invested in suggesting I skewed context, Purge?  I'll happily provide the full contents of everything DarkEL sent me, if you wish.  I've already been as open and forthright as possible with my own content, providing it in full to demonstrate that nothing I said in my single substantive PM to him provoked his continuing abuse.
22  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 05:46:24 PM

Quote from: Purge on May 05, 2008, 05:27:20 PM

Arkon, while I understand what you're saying the role that DarkEl holds with this site is a major contributor. My role as p/t staff reviewer pales in comparison to what DarkEl puts into this site. This guy has been a huge part of CG and GT when it comes to the tech side of the house.
And thus, he'll receive a slap on the wrist.

Purge insists that blame be allocated equally.  In fact, I came here simply to play werewolf as I've done dozens of times before, and found myself harassed without provocation by a stranger with whom I had no history.  I didn't mind parrying his embarrassing little thrusts and poking back when poked.  It was only when he crossed the line by making threats (how manly!) and editing my content that exposing the hypocrisy of his in-thread apologies began to matter.

Reading the thread will show that while I ran a few laps around him that might've seemed provocative (e.g., rebutting his insult that I was bad at logic by ensnaring him in a tangle over a simple double-negation) or mocking, I did so (a) merely in response, (b) always with humor, and (c) gently rather than in kind.  If you consider that morally equivalent to DarkEL's name calling, insults, expressions of dislike, and empty threats, then I can't fix your compass.

For these two reasons, I'll be happy to go elsewhere and leave you to your way of doing things.
23  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 05, 2008, 05:23:56 PM

Quote from: Austin on May 05, 2008, 03:09:50 PM

In fairness what he thinks he saw lead him to believe that Brendan was the zerk.  He was right but for the wrong reasons.
That happens.  Sometimes, our intuitions gives us great confidence even when we can't put into words just what we're seeing and why it should be taken as meaningful.

It has happened to me, and it'll happen to you.  DarkEL was right about Brendan.  Maybe it was for the wrong reasons, as you suggest, but maybe it was for the right reasons and DarkEL's explanation just didn't capture that fact.

Either way, Brendan would've been snared.  I'm not so sure about Raven VII.
24  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 05, 2008, 05:19:46 PM

Quote from: Purge on May 05, 2008, 02:58:24 PM

So I think DarkEl won that bet. Tongue
I have to pop in at least to acknowledge that DarkEL was right about Brendan.  He read him very well.

When a man's right, he's right. smile  thumbsup
25  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Handling of situation between Dark El and Grund on: May 05, 2008, 03:00:52 PM

Quote from: DarkEL on May 05, 2008, 02:22:56 PM

I do take a little offense that you call my apology was 'half-hearted', because it wasn't. I did make a mistake. I thought what i did was okay at the time but once I realized that it wasn't

How can you say with a straight face that you "thought what [you] did was okay at the time" when, earlier in the thread, you had posted this:

Quote from: DarkEL on May 04, 2008, 01:13:26 AM

Finally just to be clear on one other thing for everyone here.

While i have admin rights within the forum to do some simple maintenance. I am not, have never been and never will be a moderator.
(Bolding added for emphasis)

Before abusing your power, you went out of your way to make as clear as possible that you were aware of what mods do and that you would not be assuming that prerogative.

Quote from: DarkEL on May 05, 2008, 02:22:56 PM

- I gave an honest apology and have both made promises to never do it again and offered to remove myself from the situation.

If your word was worthless then, since you proceeded to do exactly what you said you would never do, then why is your word supposed to be credible now?

Perhaps that inconsistency is why some, including me, regard your apology as just so much pseudo-penitent word salad.  You don't mind apologizing after the fact; it's just another means of getting away with doing whatever you want, as the record shows.
26  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 05, 2008, 12:57:26 PM
I'm replying as a courtesy to Soulchilde, since he hosted the game.  I do not reckon this goes against my word to Purge, given the contents below.  Consider this a direct complaint to the moderators about the half-hearted handling of DarkEL's antisocial actions.

Quote from: Soulchilde
I'm not sure what transpired via PM between the two, but it should have been kept there.
I absolutely disagree.  I will not sit silent while a representative of GamingTrend's forums, an Administrator of the site, privately threatens me in a context of persistent badgering and with reference to my physical location, and then publicly dons a halo and intermittently plays penitent.

His words absolutely should have been exposed, and were.  The fact that no substantial action was taken against him by GamingTrend is shameful.

Quote from: Soulchilde on May 05, 2008, 11:36:32 AM

Okay, I'm caught up.  Still need to do a vote count I just want to make sure Grund and DarkEL are still in the game.  If  any player wishes to withdraw from the game then I will end the game. DarkEL and Grund I hope you both will continue to play

Will wait to hear from both players.

How can I contribute in good faith to a forum, when I never know whether a rogue admin is going to edit my content?  The PTB evidently do not see DarkEL's offense as serious enough to warrant genuine reprisals.  As long as DarkEL is in a position of control that he might abuse here, I will certainly not rejoin this or any other game here.

If that ends the game, so be it.  The principle is more valuable than the game.

Quote from: Purge on May 05, 2008, 01:40:16 AM

His transgression has been dealt with by the forum mods, and if Grund is not satisfied with this action it's his own free will to leave.
Given how DarkEL's transgression has been "dealt with", I am not satisfied.  How could I be, when a loose cannon is still listed as Admin and still has the power to alter my words on a whim and then lie about what I say?  I therefore freely leave.
27  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 05, 2008, 02:09:45 AM

Quote from: Purge on May 05, 2008, 01:40:16 AM

I do not want to see one more single post about Grund/DarkEl and the garbage that's happened (from either side).
I've just now reached this part of the thread, and will honor this request.
28  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 05, 2008, 02:04:56 AM

Quote from: Remus West on May 05, 2008, 01:20:00 AM

Admitting to a mistake and appologizing go a very long way with me though and DarkEl did both so I would have no hesitation in playing another game with him involved.

Here's the deal.  He wants to apologize and continue to offend.  He had apologized in the thread already for a few of his offenses, but then continued to offend, both in public and in private.

Even now, he's interlarding his humble-seeming apologies with overt lies about the contents of both the message he deleted and our PM exchange.

This calls into serious question the sincerity of his apology.  I think his explanation in his other thread makes clear that he's not presently in a position to interact with others in a stable, reliable way.  I wish him the best in resolving those issues and finding peace.

Even so, the idea that he would be tolerated in an admin position when he has openly abused the privilege is unacceptable.  Prior to attempting to silence me, he had already explained that he knew he wasn't a mod, and that he'd never use his admin privs to moderate.  Then, he edited me.  Then, conveniently, he apologized and promised it would never happen again.

Apology accepted. Offense forgiven.  Nevertheless, the site owner should put him on a leave of absence until he gets his act together.
29  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 05, 2008, 01:50:13 AM

Quote from: DarkEL on May 04, 2008, 09:56:19 PM

he felt the need to essentially call me a clown and to post a huge lecture about all the ways that I was a "bad member of the forum".
This is a lie, and that is not a quote of anything I wrote.

I wrote exactly two things in the message he redacted.

First, I agreed with him that it would be better to vent his issues in a new thread than to continue beclowning himself here by attacking me.

Second, I quoted as a single block the first three paragraphs of the Code of Conduct.

The "huge lecture" was a verbatim cut and paste of this board's own rules.

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Removing the baiting from his post was something I've seen mods do before and thus I thought it would be okay.
Incredible.
30  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 05, 2008, 01:36:38 AM

Quote from: DarkEL on May 04, 2008, 09:28:12 PM

After several attempts I got him to move it to PM, a few more negative things were said there
You say of PMs that "a few more negative things were said there" and that's misleading.  You were negative by PM.  I was dismissive.  You used the IP address function to track me down to Maryland and then leveled a threat.  I asked you to stop PMing me. 

{Edit: Or did you actually read my private PMs in search of an address?  Unbelievable!}



Since you can't seem to refrain from misrepresenting, I'm including here the full text of the only two PMs I sent you:

Here's the first one, after you had sent me two hectoring PMs:
Quote from: me to DarkEL
Hey DarkEL,

Thanks for your note.

I have no argument with you.  The only fault I find with you is your hypocrisy; you want both to hector me in public and to complain in public that I won't take it private.  Likewise, you want to be openly insulting in the most puerile way, while complaining about my tone despite the fact that I haven't reciprocated at your low level, but have replied with humor and the occasional snare.

Well, here's where I stand.  I have no memory of you from GG; you didn't stand out.  My only impression of you is therefore your unfriendly reception of me as a new participant here over the last few days.  And that doesn't bother me.  I've been around the block, and I know that some people have more security and self-control than others.

No sweat; each of us has faults.

You do what you need to do.  Meanwhile, I'm a-gonna play me some werewolf. If you say absurd things in that context, or if I disagree with you, then you can rest assured that I won't feel in the least bit constrained by your passive-aggressive thing.  I'll speak my mind freely, as I see fit.

Cheers,

G.

After you did it again, I sent this:

Quote from: me to DarkEL
You are not welcome to continue working out your neuroses in PMs to me.  Kindly desist.

Abusing administrative privs to selectively edit someone's messages in order to silence him on account of some irrational grudge or vendetta you're pursuing is so far beyond the pale that the only way I would even consider rejoining this community is if the site owner took public, decisive action by openly rebuking DarkEL and removing his admin privs.

I doubt that's going to happen.  And neither waiting for it nor pressing for it is worth my time.
31  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 04, 2008, 09:05:57 PM
I will not participate in a forum that tolerates arbitrary editing to placate an admin's ego.

Consider me withdrawn from this game.
32  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 04, 2008, 08:58:13 PM

Quote from: Grundbegriff on May 04, 2008, 07:37:57 PM

removed as it's sole purpose was to bait me

--darkel
For the record, this edit on DarkEL's part is an abuse of his administrative authority.
33  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 04, 2008, 07:37:57 PM
removed as it's sole purpose was to bait me

--darkel
34  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 04, 2008, 06:55:50 PM

Quote from: Lassr on May 04, 2008, 06:52:56 PM

if there is any discussion of the game..betting who's the werewolf...bantering about why DarkEl thinks he's right about Brendan then it is a strict violation of the rules. I would simply request that you both just ignore each other and continue with the game.
Well, since I know I'm innocent, his threat to come to maryland and work out his neuroses must imply that he's a werewolf. biggrin
35  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 04, 2008, 06:46:12 PM

Quote from: Unagi on May 04, 2008, 06:13:46 PM

Quote from: Grundbegriff on May 04, 2008, 05:52:00 PM

DarkEL keeps badgering me with aggressive PMs.  Is he always like this?
I think PM's between players should wait until the game is over.
I realize nothing 'juicey' is being shared (just mud sling`n)- but PM's between players is Not Allowed, right?

I'm getting stuff like this:

Quote from: DarkEL on May 04, 2008, 05:59:58 PM

Quote from: Grundbegriff on May 04, 2008, 05:50:20 PM

You are not welcome to continue working out your neuroses in PMs to me.  Kindly desist.

Oh don't worry - every so often i go up to maryland for work.  It won't be in PM forever.

I consider it a violation of the werewolf rules. slywink
36  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 04, 2008, 05:52:00 PM
DarkEL keeps badgering me with aggressive PMs.  Is he always like this?
37  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 04, 2008, 05:01:30 PM

Quote from: Purge on May 04, 2008, 04:49:27 PM

There may only BE 2 wolves. No kill last night still has a 1 in 12 chance of being a failed kill attempt on rickfc.

Raw odds aren't in play with the werewolves' choice; intelligence is in play.

Why would the werewolves choose to delay the conversion?
Why would the werewolves delay the conversion in order to kill rickfc?
Why would the werewolves kill rickfc on night 0 at all?

It seems to me much more prudent to assume that there are three werewolves.  Then, if the game ends after the death of the second wolf, that's candy.
38  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 04, 2008, 04:55:44 PM

Quote from: stessier on May 04, 2008, 04:50:12 PM

Now if DarkEl comes out and says he scanned someone and we end up with evidence that it was a lie, then we lynch him no questions asked.  Well, no questions beyond what would happen to the village's chances if he ends up being the Berserker.  That is still the nightmare scenario.
Your analysis of whether to lynch DarkEL is correct.  cheeba and DarkEL agree with one another, but have it wrong.

I just want to reemphasize that as long as we kill the convert second, we've negated the Berserker power just as effectively as if it had been defused by the Hunter.

A Berserker in Third Position can never meaningfully berserk.
39  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: GTville-Hunting Grounds-Day 1- Everyone alive!! on: May 04, 2008, 04:53:26 PM

Quote from: DarkEL on May 04, 2008, 04:47:23 PM

Yes because as we all know the few are the same as the whole
  Example: Some Americans are animal rights activists. Some Americans wear fur coats. Therefore, Americans are hypocrites.

Therefore what I say about you can naturally be extended to anyone else with a single similar characteristic.
How's that different from your trying to profile the hairstyle and job satisfaction of a particular person, me, on the basis of some generalization you find insightful?  After all, what's true of some disputatious people (that they're balding and malcontent) isn't necessarily true of all such people. slywink

Keep practicing; eventually, you'll master the nuances of informal fallacy.
40  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Suggestion re: quoting on: May 04, 2008, 04:34:50 PM

Quote from: DarkEL on May 04, 2008, 02:58:51 AM

Quote from: Grundbegriff on May 04, 2008, 01:08:49 AM

Quote from: DarkEL on May 02, 2008, 09:34:01 AM

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