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161  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Playing through the Uncharted series for the first time on: November 02, 2015, 05:05:35 PM

Quote from: TiLT on November 02, 2015, 04:03:27 PM

Quote from: Teggy on November 02, 2015, 03:25:54 PM

I liked Tomb Raider a lot, but at no point did I find it better than Uncharted 2, the greatest game of all time. You people crazy have different opinions.

Yeah, Tomb Raider can't hold a candle to Uncharted 2. TR's storytelling and characters is downright primitive in comparison. But I guess some of the impact of Uncharted is lessened by going TR then UC. Even so, UC2 is still the superior game in every regard. Tomb Raider merely contains more filler content with its collectibles and semi-open world.

For the record, I've got 100% completion in Tomb Raider on PC, and a platinum trophy for Uncharted 2 (and the first one) on PS3. I feel like I've got a solid foundation for my opinion on this. Tongue

It's likely because TR was my first real exposure to this type of game, but I would disagree entirely with Tilt on this.  Tomb Raider kept me riveted throughout, with a lead character that was vulnerable and more interesting.  There were long stretches of UC2 where my only thought was "Whelp, here we go again with the chest high walls".  While both Lara and Drake are unstoppable superbeings, Lara just felt more realistic?  Believable?  Not sure if either of those is the right word, and it's tough to even describe.  The most apt description I can make is that I never for even a split second felt like Drake was in any kind of danger throughout the entire game.  With TR, it always felt like Lara was a hair's breath away from death, which significantly added to the tension.  I also liked the set pieces and puzzles in TR better, and thought the gun combat was more fun than in UC2.  Add all of those together, and I found myself enjoying Tomb Raider significantly more than UC2.

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If you really want to see what Naughty Dog is capable of buy The Last of Us Remastered. You can get a Digital Download code on Amazon for $15. (That's how I got it so I know it works). It is well worth the price of admission.

I realize I'm in the minority here, but I hated TLoU.  Outside of my irrational dislike of anything to do with zombies, I found the stealth in that game was the most frustrating thing I've ever experienced in a game.  I remember spending nearly 30 minutes sneaking through an area.  I got almost to the end, and was and hidden behind an obstacle.  The zombie passed by me on the same route 5 times so I know he couldn't see me...then somehow spotted me on his 6th round when I hadn't even moved.  Game over as he gnawed off my face, and I have to start that entire area again.  It was as close as I've come to putting my controller through my screen this console generation.

Oh, and I never could get past this bullshit:

162  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 10/30/15 Halloween Edition on: November 02, 2015, 03:17:03 AM

Quote from: Gratch on October 31, 2015, 03:39:22 PM

Very little this weekend.  Got home from New Orleans around midnight yesterday, and today is filled with family stuff.  Halloween and the Utah/Oregon State game tonight.   Might get a little time tomorrow, will probably keep working through Uncharted 2.

Finished Uncharted 2 this afternoon, fun game.  Probably going to wait a bit to start Uncharted 3...I'm rather burned out with Drake and his magnetic fingers.
163  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Playing through the Uncharted series for the first time on: November 02, 2015, 12:29:27 AM
Just finished Uncharted 2.  Miles better than the first game, although it doesn't surpass Tomb Raider as my cinematic action game of choice.   Fun game, good characters, exciting story with some truly thrilling moments.  Could use a bit more exploring and a bit less shooting, but that's just personal preference.  If UC1 was a C, UC2 was a solid A-
164  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Playstation 1 ( Is still popular? ) on: November 01, 2015, 10:02:25 PM

Quote from: Gibu on November 01, 2015, 08:15:35 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on November 01, 2015, 04:05:08 PM

Hi Gibu!   I wouldn't say that PS1 is all that popular anymore, but I think we all remember some of the games from that time very fondly.   Games like Final Fantasy VII, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy Tactics, Suikoden I and II, Lunar: Silver Star, Chrono Trigger, Front Mission, Legacy of Kain, Soul Reaver, Tony Hawk, and Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.   Wow...it looks like my early console life was almost entirely RPGs, doesn't it?? 

I still remember when i played Spyro , Crash Bandicoot maybe u guys know where i can get cheap ps1?

No, but why do I have the feeling you're going to tell us?  slywink
165  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Playstation 1 ( Is still popular? ) on: November 01, 2015, 04:18:35 PM
You say that like its a bad thing.  slywink

I remember the days when a new Squaresoft PS1 RPG was cause for celebration, because damn near every one of them was fantastic.  I miss those days.
166  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: My current musical obsession (metal) on: November 01, 2015, 02:25:54 PM

Quote from: forgeforsaken on November 01, 2015, 01:01:46 PM

The new Killing Joke album Pylon is metalish at times and is really quite good.  Their best since Pandemonium.

+1.  It's a very good album from a band that simply never seems to age.
167  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: My current musical obsession (metal) on: November 01, 2015, 03:54:20 AM
I'm so conflicted.  I typically can't stand power metal, but silliness aside, Gloryhammer's parody(?) of the genre is surprisingly good..  I figured any album titled "Space 1992: Rise Of The Chaos Wizards" was worth at least one listen...and I got entirely hooked in spite of myself.  It's not Album of the Year Material...but I can't stop listening to it.  I mean, Goblin King of the Darkstorm Galaxy has to be worth a spin or two, right?



Enshine - Singularity.  A late entry into the AOTY competition, Singularity is absolutely fantastic.  You can check out my favorite track here.  I thought 2015 was a bit weak, but it's finishing really damn strong.



My Dying Bride - Feel the Misery.  You probably have a pretty good idea already if you love or hate My Dying Bride.  Hell, they've been around for, what, 25 years now?  I thought they had a strong "comeback" album with Map of All Our Failures, and this one just continues the positive trend.  "And My Father Left Forever is an amazing song, worth the price of admission just by itself.


P.S.  Mechina's new album is coming out 1/16/16   thumbsup
168  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 10/30/15 Halloween Edition on: October 31, 2015, 03:39:22 PM
Very little this weekend.  Got home from New Orleans around midnight yesterday, and today is filled with family stuff.  Halloween and the Utah/Oregon State game tonight.   Might get a little time tomorrow, will probably keep working through Uncharted 2.
169  Gaming / Portable Gaming & Apps / Re: iPhone/iTouch app and game thread on: October 30, 2015, 12:31:06 AM
If you're even a casual soccer fan, "Score! Hero" is a must get.  It's basically a tactical RPG/soccer mash-up.  The game pauses whenever you make a pass, and you decide the best option based on the opponents and the runs your own players are making.  It's incredibly fun, and setting up a beautiful give-and-go or making the perfect cross for an upper 90 goal is tremendously satisfying.  Each stage has three objectives, such as "Score with your hero", "bottom right corner", or "score on a volley".  You need to get a specific number of stars to unlock the next level, and the objectives get progressively more difficult as you progress.  You create your own character, who goes from a D-league scrub to EPL superstar (yes, it has real teams) over the course of 7 seasons.  It may be the funniest soccer game I've played on any platform.

The only drawback is that it has a stupid timer system.  Any time you miss a shot or the opponent steals the ball, it takes away one life.  Hit zero lives, and you either have to wait for it to refill, or pay to refill immediately.  I hate the timer mechanic in any game, but the gameplay here is so damn much fun that I still give it a wholehearted thumbs up.

The first few seasons are fairly easy, but the latter seasons (I'm midway through season 6) get really tough.  
170  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: So are the Steam forums always filled with so many immature people? on: October 29, 2015, 02:36:49 PM

Quote from: Glycerine on October 28, 2015, 11:37:22 PM

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

In short, what TiLT and Teggy said.

Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory?

:clicks:

Yep, Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.  Which is absolutely and 100% true.  I rarely bother with forums outside of a couple I frequent on a regular basis.  Steam forums are an absolute cesspool.
171  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (10/27) on: October 28, 2015, 02:29:21 PM

Quote from: siege on October 27, 2015, 12:43:45 PM

Divinity on PS4. Been playing it all morning and it's excellent!

Good to hear.  It fell a little flat with me on PC, but I think I just wasn't in the right mood when I tried it.  I find that I generally have better luck playing things on the big screen...will have to give it another look.
172  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: No Man's Sky - all procedurally generated everything! on: October 27, 2015, 10:13:47 PM
Looks interesting, but I'm waiting to see how much actual "game" there is here.  I imagine that just flying around exploring planets would wear thin after a while.
173  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (10/27) on: October 26, 2015, 04:06:04 AM
Trails in the Sky is quite a good JRPG, if you're inclined to such things.

Nothing for me this week.
174  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Playing through the Uncharted series for the first time on: October 25, 2015, 11:13:26 PM
Got about a quarter of the way through Uncharted 2 this afternoon.  You're all right, it is a much better game.  So far, it's got a very good balance of story, shooting, puzzles/exploring, and set pieces.  The combat feels much better, and I haven't had any "endless spawn" sections yet.  Plus...Claudia Black.   The Weghted Companion Cube will never threaten to stab you.  Ye gods, that woman has an incredible voice.

I only have two real gripes:

1.  Drake has a 70" vertical and a 22' long jump when the game wants you to do something...but he has a 6" vertical and 2' long jump when it doesn't.  There has already been quite a few times where I didn't know what to do next because I kept thinking "there's no possible way I can make that jump".  Then I give it a try, and suddenly Nate has rocket boosters in his shoes.
2.  Not a big fan of the stealth segments.  I must have failed the first one (crossing the courtyard in the museum) about two dozen times before I figured out the "right" way the game wanted me to do it.

Glad I played through the first one to get the backstory, as I can see how this one would be rather confusing without it. So far, so good.
175  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 10/23/15 Edition on: October 25, 2015, 03:05:37 PM

Quote from: Arclight on October 25, 2015, 12:25:54 PM

Went back to subbing SWToR. The new expansion has started and a "ton" of stuff has been changed.

Every time I think I'm out of SWToR for good, I hear something like this that piques my interest again. 

Do they still have the XP bonus that allows you to burn through the story without having to do 80 bazillion sidequests?
176  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Playing through the Uncharted series for the first time on: October 25, 2015, 06:06:10 AM
Finished Drake's Fortune tonight...thank God.  The last 1/3 of that game was an endless, boring slog alternating between annoying zombies and chest-high walls.  I didn't like that game in the least, but am excited to move onto Uncharted 2.  Hoping it fares better.
177  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: How long do you give a game to capture your interest? on: October 24, 2015, 02:39:42 AM
Has a lot to do with the level of disposable income as well.  I don't feel like I have to play the hell out of a mediocre game just because it's the only one I'll be able to afford in the next 60 days.  
178  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 10/23/15 Edition on: October 23, 2015, 02:25:31 PM
Probably try to finish Uncharted 1.  Will grab the Halloween goodies from FFXIV, and do a refresher so I remember how to play before the big 3.1 patch hits...haven't been on in months.  Maybe some Destiny as well.
179  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: How long do you give a game to capture your interest? on: October 23, 2015, 01:42:04 AM
Off the top of my head, there's nothing else coming the rest of this year that I'm overly excited for. Then again, I have the gaming attention span of a gnat these days, so I'm sure there will be a few things I pick up before the year's out.

I try to give most non-RPG games at least an hour before throwing in the towel.  I used to give RPGs mor leniency and play at least 8 hours (some are slow starters, after all), but I've reduced that to 4. 
180  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Playing through the Uncharted series for the first time on: October 21, 2015, 11:33:00 AM
The problem is playing Uncharted 1 so far after the fact, after the general formula has been so significantly built upon and improved by other games since.  I can definitely see how it would have blown people away at the time.  Just a case of not aging well, I'm sure.  I'm about 70% done now, and having the other two games to look forward to certainly helps me to push through it.

Quote from: Turtle on October 20, 2015, 07:58:08 AM

Oh, and just use the pistol in Uncharted 1, it's more accurate, kills in 3 body hits, and is the best gun in the game. They fix that in Uncharted 2.

Funny you should mention that.  I thought that maybe I was doing something wrong because I preferred the pistol over the myriad of other weapons available.  In addition to feeling the most accurate, it also seems to be the easiest to find ammo for.  I've tried some of the other weapons from time to tim, and consistently find myself running out of ammo in short order.  The pistol/AK-47 combo has been my go-to for nearly whole time...good to know I wasn't screwing it up.

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And play on easy if you aren't already. Even this it gets annoying, but it's far less so. Not sure if they added in Very Easy for U1, but if it's there use that.

I'm playing on Easy, but have still died a couple times.  Typically when waves of baddies start spawning from behind me after I think I've cleared out a room.  There is a Very Easy level, but that seemed a little elementary...even for me.  smile
181  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Playing through the Uncharted series for the first time on: October 20, 2015, 05:29:19 AM
What little story there seems to be is pretty interesting, there's just not nearly enough of it.  Best way I can describe it is that the game as a whole is less story and more shooty than I was hoping for.  Based on feedback, I just expected the entire package would be much more narrative-driven.  It feels very disjointed, like "move to this room and shoot these guys...now move to this room and shoot these guys...now move to this room and shoot these guys..." with the occasional short cutscene thrown in.  I did play for another hour or so, and it's picked up a bit with an interesting twist.  Hopefully that continues.

Oh, and jet skis can just fuck right off.  Controlling the camera, the ski, and shooting requires a level of manual dexterity that I simply don't possess.
 
182  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Playing through the Uncharted series for the first time on: October 20, 2015, 03:55:49 AM
I'd given one of these games a brief look back on PS3 (Uncharted 3, maybe?) but it never really grabbed me.  Mostly because I'm absolutely awful at console shooters (FPS or third person).  After grabbing Destiny on a whim and doing better than I expected, I figured that maybe it's time to give the Uncharted games another go.  Grabbed the remastered collection last weekend, and have been playing through the first game.  I'm a little over halfway through at this point (60%).

So far, I'm fairly underwhelmed.  I'd always heard about how much fun the story and characters are in the Uncharted games, but both seem to be mostly nonexistent to this point.  Sure, there's a brief cutscene here and there to set up the next area, but none of them are terribly compelling.  I feel like I'm doing nothing but running from one room filled with chest-high walls to the next while mowing down hundreds and hundreds of random dudes.  I'm not sure if this is a case of a game simply not aging well or maybe I'm just spoiled by more recent games (i.e. the last Tomb Raider).  Either way, I'm surprised at just how dull this game is.   There's really only been one setpiece that raised the pulse even a little bit (the escape on the jeep)...the rest of it just seems like an exercise in repetition.  Kill 20 guys, jump a couple pillars to the next room/area, rinse, repeat.

Do the games get better as the series goes on?
183  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Star Wars Episode VII Director Revealed on: October 20, 2015, 02:14:45 AM
Last trailer.

Loved it...cannot fucking wait for this.
184  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Wii U] Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water on: October 19, 2015, 06:45:22 PM
Thanks for the review...been looking for something to blow the dust off my Wii U.  I especially like this:

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Ghosts and ghouls abound, but I was surprised at the lack of actual frights I experienced. In full disclosure, I’m what you’d call a “weenie” when it comes to jumpscares. My favorite parts of The Ring were seeing flashes of something scary between my barely-open fingers covering my eyes. There’s not a whole lot of that in this game, which I enjoyed, as the horror lingers much more. Maiden of Black Water is content to build foreboding atmosphere and tension, and lets the panic take place in the photo-op fights rather than just popping up something scary for a cheap thrill.

I don't mind tension and atmosphere, but am not a fan of jump scares at all.  In fact, I'll actively avoid any game that relies on them, which eliminates about 99% of the horror genre.
185  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] Inside Out - Pixar's next movie on: October 19, 2015, 02:11:13 PM
I felt like Inside Out was trying soooooo hard to punch me right in the feels...and every swing just completely missed.  Everyone around me was in tears, and I just thought 'meh'.  I'm wondering if I simply wasn't in the right mood the day I saw it.  Need to go back and watch it again and see.

Then again, I had the same reaction to all of the Toy Story movies.  I usually love Pixar films, but those just never connected with me at any level.
186  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (10/20) on: October 19, 2015, 04:12:58 AM
Nothing for me.  Between HOMM VII, Uncharted, Dragon Age Inquisition GOTY, and a few iPad games, I spent way too much last week.
187  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 10/16/15 Edition on: October 19, 2015, 04:11:54 AM

Quote from: Gratch on October 16, 2015, 12:05:03 PM

Getting a little burned out on Destiny, so I'll probably fire up Killer Is Dead and see what that's all about.  HOMM VII got a big patch this week as well, so I'll give that another look and see if they ironed out the bugs.

Very little gaming time this weekend.  Most of what I did have was spent with the Uncharted Collection.  I've tried bits and pieces of each game before, but never made it more than an hour or two in.  Decided to give this "remastered" version a shot, and got about 50% through the first game.  Fun, but I feel I'm a bit spoiled after the last Tomb Raider game.  This can't really compare.

Played a couple of HOMM VII maps as well.  The patch certainly helped, but the lack of a RMG still just kills the game for me...mainly because the campaigns are incredibly dull.
188  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (10/13) on: October 18, 2015, 11:18:02 PM
I ended up grabbing both the Uncharted Collection and Dragon Age GOTY Edition (includes all the DLC) yesterday. 

I'm intrigued by that new Dragon Quest game, but not sure it's worth full price for a genre I've never really tried before.
189  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: My current musical obsession (metal) on: October 16, 2015, 02:11:12 PM

Quote from: MonkeyFinger on October 16, 2015, 01:48:20 PM

Very nice... even if it does fall into what one reviewer called "cookie monster metal".  icon_wink

So I can see the four albums on Amazon but where are the "handful of singles"? I found "The World We Lost"  thumbsup at Bandcamp and guessing that is one as it doesn't seem to be on any of the albums. Can you point me in the right direction?

Cephus and To Coexist is to Surrender are on their Bandcamp page, click "More Releases" on the right side.  I've only listened to Andromeda on Youtube...not sure where to download that one.  It streams on the Wiki page as well.

FWIW, the albums get stronger as they go, with Acheron being my personal favorite by a long shot.  You don't necessarily lose anything by listening to them out of order (just read the story background on the Wiki to get a basic understanding), so I'd recommend Acheron as a starting point to gauge if they're your thing or not.
190  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: My current musical obsession (metal) on: October 16, 2015, 01:16:55 PM
I've really gotten into Mechina lately.  They're sort of an industrial/metal/ambient combo, and their music tells an absolutely incredible sci-fi story.  They typically release a new album the beginning of each year, with a single over the summer.  The story is very cool...there's even an Wiki devoted to the characters and "Embers Turn to Dust" storyline that they've created across 4 albums and a handful of singles.  If you enjoy "concept" music even a little bit, I'd absolutely recommend you give this a listen.  It would make a great video game.  smile  Honestly, how many albums use this as a starting point?

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The two global powers on Earth, the UNI and IGC, are at war. Fearing that these two powers will destroy the world, a small group of people build a giant terraforming spaceship to flee the Earth and find a new home. It is the first Titan, named Anicetus. One of the travelers, Andara, leaves a farewell message to anyone on Earth who may be listening then enters cryosleep with the rest of the crew. Anicetus' A.I. aims towards Alpha Centauri and begins the long journey.

Musically, it feels like what would happen if someone mashed up Frontline Assembly and Scar Symmetry.  Lots of sci-fi samples, sweeping violins, and synthesized orchestral hits, combined with fantastic riffs and crazy drum beats.  It won't be everyone's cup of tea, but I find it extremely compelling and fascinating.
191  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 10/16/15 Edition on: October 16, 2015, 12:05:03 PM
Getting a little burned out on Destiny, so I'll probably fire up Killer Is Dead and see what that's all about.  HOMM VII got a big patch this week as well, so I'll give that another look and see if they ironed out the bugs.
192  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: October 15, 2015, 04:28:06 PM

Quote from: farley2k on October 15, 2015, 02:48:22 PM



This is 100% me.  Those snow GIF's make me so damn happy.
193  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: It's 10 AM on October 13, 2015. What's Your GOTY so far? on: October 13, 2015, 03:52:50 PM
Probably FF XIV:  Heavensward.  It's more of a full-fledged game than an expansion, and I've dumped hundreds of hours into it.  I'm pretty burned out on it now (the end game grind is wildly unsatisfying), but the overall package was amazing.

Runner up would be Witcher 3, although I have many of the same complaints as others about mechanics and simply being overwhelming.
194  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 10/9/15 Edition on: October 12, 2015, 02:16:44 PM

Quote from: Gratch on October 09, 2015, 04:08:39 PM

Probably not much this weekend.  Get back late tonight from Alaska, up early tomorrow for College Gameday in
 Salt Lake, honey-do list during the day, then the Utah-Cal showdown tomorrow night.  Family party on Sunday.

Any time I get will probably be spent with Destiny.

As expected, there was very little gaming time.  Spent a couple hours in Destiny, but most of the weekend revolved around college football and chores.
195  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Telltale Games pulled from iOS app store? on: October 09, 2015, 06:20:04 PM
There's been all sorts of weird shit going on with the App Store over the last few weeks.  Games disappearing, reappearing, vanishing from purchase histories, etc.  Its all very strange.
196  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 10/9/15 Edition on: October 09, 2015, 06:18:38 PM

Quote from: Crawley on October 09, 2015, 05:55:24 PM

I'm both anticipating and regretting the game (I pre-purchased). I love the look of the game and can't wait to play all the maps. But regretting it since I know my FPS skills have waned to where I'm not that great anymore. Titanfall gave me some hope as I ended up getting pretty good at that but I know the Battlefield games are a different beast.


The game looks SO damn cool, but I'm so awful at FPS that I can't see myself taking the plunge.
197  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 10/9/15 Edition on: October 09, 2015, 04:08:39 PM
Probably not much this weekend.  Get back late tonight from Alaska, up early tomorrow for College Gameday in
 Salt Lake, honey-do list during the day, then the Utah-Cal showdown tomorrow night.  Family party on Sunday.

Any time I get will probably be spent with Destiny.
198  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Has anyone played The Beginner's Guide? on: October 06, 2015, 02:21:09 AM
It's on my list to get to...eventually
199  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: October 05, 2015, 10:11:21 PM

Quote from: farley2k on October 05, 2015, 03:15:23 PM

STAR WARS, The Wallpaper Collection Awakens

Some of my favorites - go to link above for moe of them


OMG, these are awesome.  Thanks for the link.   thumbsup
200  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Destiny -Bungie's new game with Activision on: October 05, 2015, 03:28:40 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on October 05, 2015, 02:52:24 PM

One of the things I learned when using the Auto Level Token is that your skill trees need to be unlocked too.  So, being level 25 with so few skills can be daunting

In retrospect, I wish I hadn't used it and just progressed naturally.  Oh well.
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