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161  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4/XB1]Final Fantasy XV on: November 30, 2016, 03:39:48 PM
Played about 4 hours yesterday, some initial thoughts:

-  It's incredibly beautiful.  Probably the best looking PS4 game I've played.
-  I'm really glad I watched Kingsglaive and the Brotherhood anime before playing.  Knowing how the character's relationships evolved and the overarching backstory makes a huge difference.  Curious if people who didn't watch them are completely lost or not.
-  The world they've created (or at least the small corner of it that I'm currently exploring) is fantastic.  It all feels very alive and organic, a stark change from the endless hallways of XIII.
-  The combat is simple (so far), but quite fun.  I only really have two gripes.  1)  When battling multiple enemies, it becomes incredibly chaotic.  I find myself flailing at whatever is closest, without much strategy.  The camera doesn't help in this regard.  2)  I haven't quite figured out the block/parry mechanic.  I always hit square when I see the "Block" prompt pop up, but it never seems to work.  Not sure what I'm missing there.
-  I have yet to intentionally cast a spell, and don't really understand magic.  Seems kinda worthless, although I'm sure it will play a greater importance later.
-  The entire game hinges on whether or not you like the four "Chocobros".  Thankfully, I think they're great characters and seeing their relationships play out through side comments and dialogs is really fun.  
-  Most of my time so far has been spent chasing down map markers (i.e. resources, treasure chests) and doing hunts.  That's the stuff that typically drives me nuts in open world games, but it feels very natural in this one, for some reason.
-  I spent about 30 minutes with that Justice Monsters V game in one of the diners.  Had no idea what I was doing, but came away at the end of it with a Gold Bangle, which more than doubles one character's HP.  So...worth it?
-  The game will sometimes jump into combat mode (music starts, they all draw weapons, etc.), but I can't see any mobs.  Not sure why that happens, but I've seen it at least half a dozen times.
-  Speaking of mobs, there aren't nearly as many as I would have expected.  They also seem to randomly pop in out of thin air, which is strange.
-  Not a fan of the quests that ask you to find a single buried treasure (represented by a tiny glowing dot you can only see when you walk over it) in a huge area.   Will definitely be resorting to the guide for those, as it's the equivalent of finding a digital needle in a haystack.  Lame.
-  Riding around in the car, watching the beautiful scenery, and listening to old FF soundtracks is all kinds of awesome.
-  The food Ignus makes looks delicious.
-  Prompto singing the FF victory theme after battles.   The Weghted Companion Cube will never threaten to stab you.

Overall, I'm thoroughly enjoying it so far.  I've kinda been ignoring the story and just exploring, which feels very strange in a FF game.  The world is just so interesting and vast, that you can't help but strap on the hiking boots and take off for the horizon.
162  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4/XB1]Final Fantasy XV on: November 29, 2016, 06:48:19 PM

Quote from: skyride on November 29, 2016, 06:28:33 PM

I stayed up way too late watching Kingsglaive while the game finished downloading.  Movie was good.  I decided not to play the game while about to pass out.  Can't wait to try it tonight!

What's with the Audi product placement (in the movie)? I can't remember if this was done before in FF but it felt a bit jarring.

It's new to the series, but has been known for a while.  They announced the Audi tie-in back at the launch event.
163  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4/XB1]Final Fantasy XV on: November 29, 2016, 05:46:28 PM
Just picked up the game, line at Gamestop was out the door and damn near around the building.  Crazy to think that I get to actually play something that was announced over a decade ago.

Of course, PSN is telling me the 9GB patch is going to take around 12 hours to download right now, so we'll see if it even gets a look today.   icon_evil
164  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4/XB1]Final Fantasy XV on: November 29, 2016, 03:59:05 AM
Just finished the anime, its about an hour long.  Glad I watched both it and Kingsglaive, as they provide a ton of context that I can't imagine we'll actually get in the least not at that level of depth.  Kingsglaive is about how the conlict started, and Brotherhood (the anime) is the backstory of how the gang all came together.  Both are very well done and set the stage really well.
165  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4/XB1]Final Fantasy XV on: November 28, 2016, 08:34:07 PM

Quote from: rittchard on November 28, 2016, 06:33:40 PM

Thanks for the review of the reviews Gratch,

Thank farley, he posted them.  smile

Good news:  I have tomorrow off and will pick this up first thing in the morning.  Might even go to the midnight release, if I can stay awake that long.
Bad news:  I have a root canal tomorrow at 1:30.  They're doing sedation for it (long story), so I'll be out (literally) most of the afternoon.  frown

Will get my initial impressions up...sometime.
166  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4/XB1]Final Fantasy XV on: November 28, 2016, 05:45:40 PM

Quote from: farley2k on November 28, 2016, 04:08:26 PM

About the verdict I expected:  very good, but with lots of warts.  That's to be expected in a game with this long of a development cycle.  Excited to jump in tomorrow, and need to finish watching the anime tonight.

That Kotaku review was incredibly well-written.   thumbsup
167  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 11/23/16 Thanksgiving Edition on: November 28, 2016, 04:07:58 AM
Finished Titanfall 2 tonight, and thought it was surprisingly excellent. I'm not one who generally plays shooters, but found myself completely engrossed in this. Jumping around like Nightcrawler was nearly as much fun as stomping around in a mech, which was a pleasant surprise. A couple levels were absolutely brilliant, especially the "time travel" one. Doubt I'll touch the multiplayer, but the 7 hour campaign was definitely worth the $40.
168  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (Nov 27, 2016) - Cyberdemon Monday Edition on: November 28, 2016, 01:23:45 AM
Final Fantasy XV CE is preordered and paid.  Can't wait!
169  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 11/23/16 Thanksgiving Edition on: November 26, 2016, 03:02:50 AM
So far, I've played quite a bit of FF XIV, trying to get current on all the story (and side story) content.  Dug waaaaaay back into the backlog and pulled up Gyromancer, a mostly forgotten collaboration between SquareEnix and PopCap from back in 2009.  Think Bejeweled meets FF Tactics.  It's really quite fun, if mostly mindless.  Played through a few more levels of Bound, and although I thoroughly enjoy the art style, it's not nearly as interesting as Journey or Flower were.  It gets rather repetitive, which is a shame.  Gave Planet Coaster a shot, and got about an hour into my first sandbox park before it hard locked.  Reloaded, and it hard locked again.  Now I can't even get past the loading screen.  Guess I'll go for a refund on that one.  Heard enough good things about the single player campaign in Titanfall 2 to give it a look, especially with a steep discount.  Just finished downloading that, firing it up now.

I've been busy.  smile
170  Gaming / Portable Gaming & Apps / Re: Android game recommendations under $5? on: November 23, 2016, 08:46:59 PM
Gamezebo is keeping a list of all Black Friday sales for mobile titles.  Not sure how many are Android, but it might be worth keeping an eye on.
171  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 11/23/16 Thanksgiving Edition on: November 23, 2016, 08:45:46 PM

Quote from: USMC Kato on November 23, 2016, 04:44:58 PM

I'm in the middle of a busy fight camp,

Wait, I thought you couldn't talk about those.   icon_confused
172  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 11/23/16 Thanksgiving Edition on: November 23, 2016, 02:48:39 PM
No damn idea, which is frustrating as I'll likely have lots of gaming time.  Some FF XIV for sure, trying to wrap up the story on the last patch.  Will probably hit up the massive backlog and see if anything grabs me.  Will probably run through the FF XV demo, as I never actually finished it, and it'd be good to brush up on the combat before it releases next week.  Looked at my X55 HOTAS gathering dust on top of my desk last night, so maybe I'll update Elite Dangerous and fly around for a while. 

Who knows.
173  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC] Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun (Commandos meets Ninjas/Samurais) on: November 23, 2016, 02:44:22 PM
That looks really cool, thanks for the heads-up.
174  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend playlist - 11/18 pre-Thanksgiving edition on: November 21, 2016, 11:29:58 PM

Quote from: rittchard on November 21, 2016, 10:19:01 PM

But most importantly, what happened to your tooth?!?!

Saw the ortho specialist Friday.  I had the option to do a regular root canal on Monday (today) or wait a week and do it under sedation next Tuesday.  Since my last root canal was such an utter disaster (root canal got infected, had to have oral surgery, then they had to redo the root canal.  Since the infection was so strong and widespread, none of the anesthetic they had would work.  So I basically ended up having a root canal with no numbing agent.  It was the worst experience of my life.), I opted to wait and go the sedation route.  He gave me some antibiotics which have managed the bulk of this infection, so the pain has become minimal and tolerable.  Keeping my fingers crossed for no flare-ups this week.
175  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend playlist - 11/18 pre-Thanksgiving edition on: November 20, 2016, 08:51:49 PM
Gaming schizophrenia continues, as I picked up both Bound and Life is Strange for PS4.  I'm always a sucker for artsy-fartsy games in the vein of Journey or Flower, and this one fits the bill perfectly.  Mrs. Skinypupy is also a ballet instructor, so watching the main character essentially dance through the game hits me right in the feels.  Not far enough into Life is Strange to render a verdict, but I'm struggling with the overall theme of teenage girl angst.  I've heard it's good though, so I'll keep at it.

Resubbed to FFXIV for a month as well, which should give me a mindless distraction when I need it over Thanksgiving weekend.  smile

EDIT:  Mrs. Skinypupy actually sat and watched me play Bound for nearly 2 hours, which is unheard of.  She confirmed that whoever did the mo-cap for the dance was incredible and had perfect technique.  Life is Strange is definitely not my thing.  I only got through about the first hour before wanting to simply slap every single character upside the head for being a whiny emo brat.

Tried to give the new Doom (2016) another shot, but it absolutely destroys my PC whenever I load it up.  It somehow switches everything in the system to 640 X 480 (not just the game, but the desktop display as well), and gives me some sort of floating "Input Not Support" message that I can't get rid of unless I reboot.  Spent about an hour trying to get it to work before simply giving up.

Tried Dishonored 2 again, and just really dislike it.  I just cannot for the life of me figure out the stealth.  One guy 5 feet away doesn't see me, but someone with the exact same sightline somehow spots me from 200 yards away.  After about the 100th quick save/reload, I simply just gave up in frustration.  It's strange, as I really enjoyed the first game.  This one, for whatever reason, just isn't clicking at all.

Decided to go back to Mark of the Ninja to get my stealth fix instead, and ran through the first couple levels.
176  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend playlist - 11/18 pre-Thanksgiving edition on: November 20, 2016, 03:40:51 AM
Picked up Shadow Warrior 2 and if I have time for either right now.   crybaby

SW2 is fun and suitably ridiculous, but the melee FPS combat feels a little odd.  I find myself struggling to keep an eye on my targets, especially when doing the fancy supermoves.  The AOE one that hits everything in front of you when you spin is particularly disorienting.

EDIT:  After about 90 minutes with each, I think I'm going to request refunds.  Just not really feeling either one, although I can see Tyranny clicking once I can actually focus on it.  My mind is in too many other places right now.
177  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend playlist - 11/18 pre-Thanksgiving edition on: November 19, 2016, 03:55:15 PM
Yeah, I got fooled by that as well.  I actually finished the main story at 75% completion, and was surprised when I got the final checkpoint message at the 70% mark.

I'm not the kind to go back and hunt down collectibles, so I can safely say I'm done with it.
178  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Rise of Tomb Raider on: November 19, 2016, 03:33:35 AM

So, this game obviously didn't click with me at all when it was first released.  It felt cluttered, I couldn't get into the story, I didn't like the collection elements, etc., etc.  I walked about about 1/3 of the way through, entirely disappointed.

Gave it another look for PS4, and I'm really glad I did.  Just wrapped up the main story tonight, and had an absolute blast with it.  All the stuff that bugged me the first time through didn't affect me at all this time around.  I found it to be exciting, fun, tense, and quite interesting (Raiders of the Lost Arc ripoff, notwithstanding).  Might actually end up being my GOTY, although that probably says more about everything else I've played that it does RotTR.  smile
179  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Weekend playlist - 11/18 pre-Thanksgiving edition on: November 18, 2016, 05:43:49 PM
I think I'm getting pretty close to the end of Rise of the Tomb Raider.  Even though it only says 51% complete, I'm on the second to last chapter, according to a couple walkthroughs I looked at.  (just got to the Orrery)  Hoping to finish that one up.

Will probably either putz around with Dishonored 2 or maybe SW: TOR or Guild Wars 2 as well.  Don't want to start anything major with FF XV on the horizon.

And it looks like I may be getting a surprise root canal today as well.  Woke up yesterday with a massive toothache, seeing a orthodontic specialist in an hour.  Boo.   crybaby
180  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC] Tyranny on: November 15, 2016, 09:18:56 PM
It's first on my list to play after FFXV, probably in early 2017.
181  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: This country has gone insane on: November 15, 2016, 06:31:44 PM
Let's check in on Trump transition team and see how they're handling the logistics of an administration changeover...oh God.
182  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Coming to all three major platforms] Titanfall 2 on: November 15, 2016, 05:54:57 PM

Quote from: Dante Rising on October 31, 2016, 10:42:02 PM

I agree that the single player campaign is well made. I was nervous splurging for Titanfall 2, as the focus is obviously multiplayer, and that is a part of the game I will never play. But I'm satisfied so far. I'll finish it this week, and get a healthy trade in price to soften the blow.


Although the idea of stomping around in giant mechs absolutely fascinates me, I had ignored Titanfall 2 completely because I thought it was MP only like the first game (something I have zero interest in).  If there's a good single player campaign, I'll definitely check it out at some point, after a few price drops.
183  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: This country has gone insane on: November 15, 2016, 05:27:03 PM

Quote from: Pyperkub on November 15, 2016, 04:34:38 PM

The rise of nationalism

This is why it's scary, not because Trump won, but how.

While I don't agree with everything in there (the idea that Obama's entire legacy is "putting Trump in the White House" seems a little extreme), it's a pretty fascinating read.  Thanks.
184  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: This country has gone insane on: November 15, 2016, 05:05:49 PM

Quote from: Rip on November 15, 2016, 03:32:26 PM

In the end Milo is a shock jock anti-PC guy that pushes the edges. Unpleasant maybe.

Here in the real world, we call that a racist misogynist who is worthy of every bit of scorn and derision we can muster.  But I suppose ymmv...

In the end Breitbart doesn't dictate what their contributors can write about like we have found so many websites do and it makes little sense to infer the words of them all equal his.

And yet we've heard for years now how Obama is solely responsible for, well, everything that has happened during his terms in office.  And how Clinton is entirely responsible for the actions of every employee of the State Department under her tenure.  Funny how that works.
185  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4/XB1]Final Fantasy XV on: November 15, 2016, 03:01:19 PM
I'm always curious why game companies are eager to have Conan do these.  If I knew nothing about FF XV, that segment would have done absolutely nothing to get me interested, and would probably encourage me to actively avoid it. 
186  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4/XB1]Final Fantasy XV on: November 15, 2016, 01:19:30 PM

Quote from: farley2k on November 14, 2016, 02:43:24 PM

PS4, XB1, PS4 Pro video comparison.

Summed up:  Negligible difference between PS4 and PS4 Pro, and XBONE looks the worst.
187  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (Nov 13, 2016) on: November 14, 2016, 08:52:59 PM

Quote from: rittchard on November 14, 2016, 07:18:22 PM

Shoot, for some reason I thought Final Fantasy was coming out this week!  Bah!

I finally got my shiny (or not so shiny) PS4 Pro set up in anticipation, but I guess I have a few more weeks to wait.  I'll look into those new VR games but other than that probably nothing.

29th.  smile
188  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: This country has gone insane on: November 14, 2016, 08:00:12 PM

Quote from: Rip on November 14, 2016, 07:39:13 PM

Haven't visited this neighborhood in awhile but I have to say I like this Dante guy.

You're invading my safe space.

189  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Ashes of the Singularity: Escalation on: November 14, 2016, 02:45:04 PM
The preview video made my brain hurt.  That all just looks so...messy. 

Then again, I'm not much of a strategy guy to begin with, so YMMV.
190  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - "Oh dear God, What Have We Done" 11/11 Edition on: November 14, 2016, 04:52:52 AM

Quote from: MonkeyFinger on November 13, 2016, 02:49:30 PM

Still playing Rise of the Tomb Raider on the PS4 and am finally back to the 43% completion point where I eventually quit on the PC, trying to sneak back through the occupied village in the Geothermal Valley.  ninja

Oh, and perhaps some Tyranny.

I also went back to Rise of the Tomb Raider, and also got to the exact same spot I left off on PC.  For some reason, most of the stuff that was bugging the shit out of me the first time around didn't bother me at all this time.  About 25% of the way through.

I tried some Dishonored 2, but it wasn't really clicking.  I think I'm just "stealthed out" right now, having just come from Aragami and Thief 3.  Will come back to it a little later, probably after FFXV.
191  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: This country has gone insane on: November 12, 2016, 04:32:58 AM
Let's take a look at what a potential Trump cabinet might look like

Sarah Palin as Secretary of the Interior
Joe Arpaio as Director of Homeland Security
Rudy Giuliani as Attorney General
Newt Gingrich as Sec of State

Two thoughts:
1.  Jesus Christ...someone please make this nightmare stop. This is utterly horrifying.
2.  I thought the whole appeal of Trump was that he was going to "drain the swamp".  He would bring in people who aren't career politicians to run government "like a business".  I guess not?
192  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: This country has gone insane on: November 11, 2016, 11:19:25 PM

Quote from: Andrew Wonser on November 11, 2016, 11:04:00 PM

So say all states are eligible to receive 10 votes but only if the percentage of eligible voters who also voted in every ballot from the previous Presidential up to the next is 90%. Then 80 for 9 and so on till anything below 15 will get 1. Reward the states that have the most turnout. Make it a point of pride to be a state that votes.

There would be lots of systemic work that would need to be done (especially around voting access for lower income and minority voters) before we could or should even start thinking about implementing that sort of system.
193  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4/XB1]Final Fantasy XV on: November 11, 2016, 11:13:23 PM

Quote from: Dante Rising on November 11, 2016, 11:01:24 PM

Quote from: Gratch on October 28, 2016, 03:13:34 PM

Quote from: farley2k on October 28, 2016, 02:32:09 PM

I cannot wait for this game.

I was really excited for the game, but I think playing World of Final Fantasy may cool my desire for another Final Fantasy so soon. I'm really enjoying WoFF so far. I absolutely recommend turning off turn based and going with the active battle system set to 4 or 5. It transforms a game that was far too easy into one that is much more difficult, but still far from frustrating. No party wipes, but I've come close multiple times. Once I finish the stellar Gears of War 4, I'll be back to WoFF.

And maybe then XV....if the craving is still there.

I didn't like WoFF at all.  It even completely missed the nostalgia itch I was expecting it to scratch.  I found it to mostly just be an overly cutsey (and I have a high tolerance for JRPG cutseyness), generally annoying, very mediocre, boring RPG with a collect/evolve system that wasn't even remotely interesting.  I put in about 4 hours, then traded it in towards my FFXV pre-order.

To be fair, I'm not a fan of Pokemon-ish games to begin with, so WoFF didn't have much of a chance to succeed with me from the get-go.
194  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: This country has gone insane on: November 11, 2016, 06:26:59 PM

Quote from: ATB on November 11, 2016, 05:25:22 PM

Quote from: Gratch on November 09, 2016, 09:54:36 PM

Who am I kidding...they'll blame it all on Obama.

Just like you guys spent the last 8 years blaming bush.  

1. Can you PLEASE for once realize that partisanship goes both ways and nearly everyone on this forum- even though you're all marching as one- are just as guilty as the other side.  Stop comparing "their" worst with "your" best or you'll get nowhere.

Fine, I won't argue this.  I will say that I'm encouraged to hear leaders saying "we'll try to find ways to work together" instead of "our goal is to block everything he does", so...progress?

2. I actively campaigned against trump so he's not my candidate, but here we go again with the left hand-wringing and worst case scenario nonsense.  

Nonsense?  Trump is proposing to make a climate change denier the head of the EPA.  He has proposed to make an oil company CEO head of the Dept of Interior.  He wonders aloud why we have nukes if we don't use them.  These things may be "nonsense" to you, but they are very real concerns to many of us, and will have massive impact on this country, the environment, and the world.

3. Great quote here and I want each of you to internalize it and maybe re-assess your smug self-righteousness, end of the world platitudes and maybe realize that your agenda is not as tolerant and forward thinking as you seem to think it is.

"Leftists today are searching for answers to explain their defeat. They arrived at a conclusion pretty quickly, it seems. Clinton lost because Americans are sexist, racist, bigoted, awful, stupid, and hateful."

Clinton lost because she was not a good candidate, and the majority of us know that.  Look at the numbers, it's not like there was some sort of massive groundswell of support for Trump, he got 1.5% less votes than Romney in 2012 (at last count).  Clinton, by comparison, received just over 10% less support than Obama in 2012.  It requires introspection on where to go next, and anyone who blames it entirely on Americans being "sexist, racist, bigoted, and awful" is a moron.  I can only speak for myself though, so maybe that perception is more widespread than I realize.

But to deny that Trump's entire campaign (and, frankly, his personal character) is part and parcel to these elements is no less moronic.  Look, I can understand people not getting on board with Clinton because of her baggage.  But to champion Trump when he spews racist, misogynistic, and xenophobic garbage because he's somehow "telling it like it is" is absurd.  He absolutely pandered to and riled up a subset of people who hold this deplorable beliefs.  Is it why he won?  No.  But that doesn't mean it didn't happen and isn't part of who he is.

4. Keep clinging to the popular vote number. She's got a lead of something like .2%.  Insignificant. 200k out of 110 million votes.  Let's tear down the electoral college over this!

I haven't seen that suggested here.  It is a data point, however, which I hope those in power remember as they make policy decisions.  

5. Keep being offended! It's useful.

People aren't offended, they're fucking scared.  Mainly because we're seeing shit like this done while invoking the name of the newly elected President.  It becomes incumbent on us to call this out as unacceptable at every single turn, and let people know that we are willing to stand up for, support, and protect them at all costs.  And yes, that goes just as equally for the assholes who were beating up the Trump supporter.  I'm hopeful that things settle down once the initial emotion has passed, but I absolutely don't fault my minority friends and colleagues for being terrified right now.
195  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - "Oh dear God, What Have We Done" 11/11 Edition on: November 11, 2016, 04:32:24 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on November 11, 2016, 04:26:24 PM

Thanks Gratch smile Much better title than what I was going to use.  Anyway, more Overwatch for me and if I can get my PC working again I probably play some Tyranny too

Tyranny is pretty high on my list, but I'm going to wait until after FF XV to give it a go.  It's been proven many times that my brain can't handle multiple RPG's at once. Plus, it'll hopefully have a patch or two by is still an Obsidian game, after all.
196  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Weekend Playlist - "Oh dear God, What Have We Done" 11/11 Edition on: November 11, 2016, 03:54:16 PM's a joke.   icon_biggrin

Probably some Dishonored 2 for me, started it up last night.  Coming from two stealth games that were on a light/shadow based system (Aragami and Thief 3), going back to Dishonored's more line-of-sight system has been really damn hard.  Hoping some practice will help me wrap my brain around it. 

Been futzing with Mini Metro and Pinout (endless runner pinball) on iPad as well.

197  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: This country has gone insane on: November 10, 2016, 03:33:11 AM

Quote from: Dante Rising on November 10, 2016, 01:49:54 AM

Apologies, Gratch. I thought you were speaking in generalizations. On civil liberties, you are on point.

All good man.  smile

While I don't agree with many (ok, any) of Trump's economic or foreign policy positions, those are all a matter of opinion.  Basic human rights are something different entirely.  Those are unalienable and trying to subvert them goes against everything this country stands for.  And it is the responsibility of the majority on both sides to ensure that those rights are maintained for the minority.  No American should be willing to stand aside - whether actively or out of silent collusion - and allow discrimination against any group to be codified into law, and I'm very concerned that is where we could be headed. 

Hopefully I'm wrong, and there are enough Republicans and Independents that we can stop that from happening.
198  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: This country has gone insane on: November 10, 2016, 01:38:03 AM

Quote from: Dante Rising on November 10, 2016, 01:32:24 AM

And you subscribe to the philosophy that 'one side is good'? If you do, you aren't looking closely enough. Take a good look at Democratic corruption. Read a little bit about my home state, Illinois. The Democratic Party did not build the shining city upon the hill.

Not at all, I'm talking  specifically about civil rights here.  In that respect, one party has the market on abhorrent behavior cornered.  In most other aspects, I'd agree that both parties have about equal levels of shittyness.

Regarding your civil liberties question, the answer to you is "no". There are not enough vocal members in the party to move that needle as quickly as desired. But the number is growing. I have no qualms about admitting to the faults of the Republican Party.

That's unfortunate, but I expect that will continue to evolve as the demographics of the country change. 
199  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: This country has gone insane on: November 10, 2016, 12:55:58 AM

Quote from: Dante Rising on November 10, 2016, 12:33:21 AM

Quote from: Gratch on November 09, 2016, 09:37:09 PM

Quote from: rittchard on November 09, 2016, 09:08:57 PM

Thank you guys for this thread.  I was beginning to think no one here cared at all lol.

Trust me rittch, we care.  A lot.  I've just chosen to express most of my frustration elsewhere, as this isn't the place I typically come to for nuanced political discussion.

Really? Protect them from the President of the United States?  What type of fear mongering is that? Perhaps a better response would have been, "We will work with the President to help him see our point of view. We will explain our fears and hopes, and work with him to create an America that stands for everybody."

Yes, protect them.  With all the passion and energy we can muster.

When the President campaigns on a platform which includes "minority group X or minority group Y are not deserving of the same rights, dignity, or respect" and the majority of the people vote to ratify that viewpoint, then it requires protection from the rest of us, not creating a fucking "understanding of their point of view".  There is no alternate point of view to understand that is acceptable.

The ONLY point of view to understand that is acceptable is to avoid fear mongering rhetoric, and collaborate with the new leader of the free world for the next four years. I don't point this criticism solely at the Democrats. Many Republicans were quite insistent that Satan himself had been elected to the presidency 8 years ago. All that rhetoric did was divide the country even further. The Democrats are now taking their turn to kick the can down the road.

My point is this. Neither Clinton nor Trump are statesmen, but that is because the general population on both sides has reduced the race to this. To say "I will protect you from the President" is nothing but inflammatory and devisive. The answer is "We find a way to change his mind." For example, Apparently Obama and his wife changed the mind of Glen Beck, if his commentary was sincere. People are not inanimate edifices that cannot be swayed.

All of this hateful speech from both sides is an attempt to control hearts and minds to the point where people vote blindly for one party. And everyday citizens increasingly push this agenda. There are good Democrats and Republicans on both sides of the argument. A truly informed citizen crosses those lines when necessary, especially on a state and county level, depending upon the needs of the population, and the state of the landscape. But the fringes of the party, which now have the loudest voices, are terrified of thoughtful investigation into the spectrum of party candidates beyond the 1 minute sound clips.

My fiancee's niece (she is 13 or 14) thinks Republicans hate Mexicans. Period. And homosexuals too. Period. Yet somehow I'm a moderate, fiscally conservative Republican that will be marrying a wonderful Mexican-American woman. And as for the homosexual population goes, I don't give a flying f!ck if they can marry. Let them join the rest of America in divorce court. I'm hardly the only moderate Republican that thinks this way. But that isn't the picture painted in the media, or by the DNC. And the Republicans are often just as culpable. Cooler heads must prevail.

America awaits the next great stateman. Will either party ever deliver on that hope? Not with this United States, where neither side wants to give an inch.

Then perhaps they should stop proposing and running on the promise of legislation that is directly discriminatory to minority groups.  I know you like the "both sides are bad" argument, but only one side is actively supportive of legislation which codifies discrimination against minority groups into law.  Until we see the same practice from Democrats, that argument carries zero water.

My sincere hope is that there are enough Republicans who recognize the value of civil liberties to put enough pressure on the new leadersship that they won't be tempted to roll back civil rights protections 50 years. 
200  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: This country has gone insane on: November 09, 2016, 09:54:36 PM

Quote from: ATB on November 09, 2016, 01:53:18 PM

Yep. It's this ^^^^ kind of self righteous arrogance and empty reductionism that We The People just revolted against.

Do you REALLY think trump is a white supremacist? Do you REALLY think that everyone who voted for him is a Klan member and that this is somehow a referendum on equality? It's a referendum on media and political elites telling the hardworking average american what they think is wrong and what they should think and do. It's saying, guess what: we built this country and we still have a voice...and guess what it's not your manicured masturbatory false narrative that paints anyone who IS in the majority as the bad guy.  

It's about being told that they suddenly hate everyone when they don't actually hate anyone.

Fine, I'll bite.  

No, I don't think everyone who voted for Trump is a Klan member, but it absolutely is a referendum on equality.  A huge part of Trump's platform revolved around denigrating minority groups while playing into the fears of angry white people.  "The Mexicans are coming for your jerbs!"  "ISIS is coming to kill you!"  "Be afraid.  Be very afraid."  The fact so many people bought into it - especially without any actual plan to fix it other than "trust me" - is what horrifies me the most.

When all those manufacturing jobs Trump has promised fail to materialize (partly because the world has moved on to a different economic model and partly because Trump has never had any actual plan to create them), and they see a huge increase in cost of living (due to import tariffs and/or Trump's insane economic policies) that same angry anti-establishment voter is going to quickly realize that he's just as fucked as he was before...if not moreso.  Then what?  How long do you think it will take for the pitchforks to come out?

Who am I kidding...they'll blame it all on Obama.
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