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11681  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 03, 2004, 09:58:33 PM
Quote from: "-Lord Ebonstone-"
Just as a side-note:

People like E_L_K are why R&P discussions should be banned on this forum.  Inevitably, internet R&P discussion attracts the scum of the earth who want to post violently unpopular ideas that would have them beaten to a pulp in public.  Scared and huddling in their parents' basement, they type their racist, bigoted fears out onto the computer screen in a hope of getting some kind of sick gratification when they have to defend their fetid, broken ideas.

There's a Klan out there for people like you, Koala.  Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if you weren't already a part of it.

Wow, that was totally unneccesary.  I rather enjoyed having a civil discussion.  :sigh:

Although I completely disagree with ELK, I'm truly interested to hear why he thinks the way he does.
11682  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 03, 2004, 09:49:57 PM
Quote from: "Butterknife"
I'm sick of the Age Discrimination that goes on in this country!  People can't vote until their 18, and it's not fair to people younger than that!  It's discrimination I say!

For that matter, what right do people have to define the word "adult" to mean "someone 18 or older"?  Since when?  I know plenty of people who act childish who are older than that, and several people who act maturely who are younger.

If your reasoning for not considering someone a legal adult was because your Bible said so, or because you thought 18 year olds were just gross, then I'd have a huge problem with that reasoning as well.

Not giving driver's licenses to people who are blind is discrimination, too!  Just because you have some sort of physical handicap shouldn't keep you from being able to have the same rights anyone else!  People who are mentally deficient (also known as "crazy") have a right to freedom, not to be locked away in an asylum for their entire lives, having committed no crime!

That's not really comparable.  A blind driver or violent mentally deficient person (usually the onle ones that are in asylums) pose a very real physical risk to everyone around them.  I don't see how 2 guys getting married poses any sort of risk to your well being.

Oh yeah, and Gratch -- I was one of the 75% of Utahns who voted for Amendment 3.  We should get together for a LAN party sometime.  I'm sure it would be fun, we'll just not talk about religion or politics, only games. smile

Sounds good, as long as you're not a BYU fan.  I do have to draw the line somewhere.  slywink
11683  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 03, 2004, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: "Evil_Lurking_Koala"
Blacks in the 50's did have the same rights as whites, despite the actions of various local/state officials in southern states and elsewhere to impede the exercise of those rights.

Then I'm confused at why you think a State Constitutional amendment that impedes the rights of homosexuals is any different and somehow OK.
11684  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 03, 2004, 09:08:59 PM
OK, but don't you agree that the term "equal rights" means something different now than it did 50 years ago?  Or should we still have seperate drinking fountains?  Times change, so do definitions.  

Your arguement is the equivalent of saying that blacks in the 50's had the same rights as whites, they just chose to be black.
11685  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 03, 2004, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: "Laner"

Because the gay lobby has already shown they will not settle for "civil union".  They want to redefine marriage to mean whatever the heck they like... to the point of it meaning absolutely nothing.  Which is the ultimate goal.

Damn, boss came in then everybody beat me to it.  But I'll state it again, just cause  smile

I’m not taking about civil unions just for gay couples.  I’m saying make every “marriage”, gay or straight, broken down into the legal portion (the Civil Union) and the religious portion (the Marriage).  

Besides, with the divorce rates among heterosexual couples in this country, I’d say that marriage already “means almost nothing”.   How would you feel about a consitutional amenment that bans divorce?
11686  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 03, 2004, 08:03:41 PM
Mine was one of the states that voted to ban gay marriage.  Huge surprise in Utah, I know.  I was one of the 26% (last I checked) that vehemently opposed it.  

It completely disgusts me that 75% of people in this state feel that it is appropriate to write discrimination into law.  Funny thing is, I talked to a few people who were supporting the ban, and none of them could give me a reason other than "The Bible/Church says so" or the equivilent of "It's icky".   Well, being "icky" isn't a good enough reason to discriminate against an entire group of people, and wasn't the separation of church and state one of the founding principles of this country?   The supporters of the ban tend to squirm a little when you bring that sort of thing up.  

Here's my solution.  Separate the institutions of religious "marriage" and legal "civil union".   Make it so consenting adults can enter into a legal civil union that allows them the legal benefits we currently associate with marriage.  Tax breaks, benefits, etc., etc.  Take the entire religious aspect completely out of it.  Now, if those same people (gay or straight) want to get "married" in the eyes of whatever church they belong to, they are welcome to do so.  Now everybody gets the same legal benefits, and they are free to choose whether or not to make their union a religious affair.  Why is that such a stretch?
11687  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Great new Dragon Warrior 8 Trailer on: November 03, 2004, 06:54:34 PM
Finally got it to work, and that does look pretty cool.   Not "I gotta have it now" type cool, but certainly intriguing.  I'm not a big fan of cel-shading, so that will knock it down a notch for me.  Also, whoever did that theme music should be shot.  That was just horrible.

I'm still looking forward to FFXII much more (I loved the Ivalice world from FFTA), but it looks like DW8 will certainly be worth keeping an eye on.
11688  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Great new Dragon Warrior 8 Trailer on: November 03, 2004, 01:11:13 PM
Bummer, none of their mirrors seem to be working.  I'll have to see if I can track it down somewhere else.

I'm cautiously optimisic about this one.  I've never been a big fan of the Dragon Warrior series and absolutely hated DW7.  I also have yet to play an Enix developed series that I liked.  But everything I've seen and read about this one looks very cool, so I'll probably give it a shot.
11689  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / The CG Finish the Most Games 2004 thread on: November 03, 2004, 01:03:54 PM
I've been doing pretty good at finishing games this year.

-  Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
-  Need for Speed Underground
-  Sudeki
-  KotOR (again)
-  Thief 3
-  Beyond Good & Evil (twice)
-  D&D Heroes
-  Baldur's Gate:  DA 2
-  Final Fantasy X
-  Xenosaga (again)
-  Shadow Hearts
-  Fable
-  NFL 2K5 (won the Super Bowl.  That's finishing it for me.)
-  Burnout 2 (won all the circuits)
-  Mario Golf Advance Tour

I think that's it, but I'll have to check my list when I get home.  I should be adding Shadow Hearts 2 to the list tonight or tomorrow as well.

Oh, and I'm married with no kids
11690  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Who did you vote for today? on: November 02, 2004, 08:21:09 PM
Kerry, even though I don't really like him.  I'm firmly on the "anybody but Bush" wagon, so Kerry wins by default.
11691  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / LOTR: Third Age Review!! on: November 02, 2004, 07:43:19 PM
Quote from: "Andrew Mallon"
'Juvenile faux anime'? You could say that about pretty much any console RPG. I thought Xenosaga's story was no better or worse than most RPGs. If you thought the cut-scenes were too long, that's fine, but that strikes me as a more of a preference thing than a criticism.

I enjoyed the game quite a bit actually. I don't know if I'm stepping into a grudge left  over from another thread or something, but I don't see any reason to insult the guy. Xenosaga is far from the worst RPG on the PS2.

Well said.

I loved Xenosaga, but can see how people might be turned off by the long cutscenes.  That's hardly a reason to tee off on somebody about it.
11692  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Rebuilding the GoneGold Collective Brain Trust on: November 02, 2004, 07:35:46 PM
Quote from: "Zealot261"
I do believe that I have one of the fantasy book threads saved as a word file.  Let me know if you want it.

Sweet, can you e-mail that to me please?  I'm going to need to take a look at it in a week or so.
11693  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / New Stephen Donaldson: Anyone reading? on: November 02, 2004, 05:28:25 PM
I just started my first Thomas Covenant book (Lord Foul's Bane) this week.  I actually thought I had picked up the wrong book for the first couple chapters, but now that it's gotten to the "fantasy" bit I can't put it down.  Very cool stuff!

I have to admit, it's a bit jarring going from the morally clear-cut characters in Greg Keyes "The Charnel Prince" (which is fantastic, btw) to Covenant's type of character.
11694  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Rebuilding the GoneGold Collective Brain Trust on: November 02, 2004, 05:21:59 PM
I would kill for the 5 page thread about fantasy novel recomendations.  I'm finally almost done with the 10 books I picked up on recomendations from there, and need something new to read. frown
11695  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Vote today..... on: November 02, 2004, 04:27:46 PM
Quote from: "Chaz"
Try living in Massachusetts.  The republicans don't even bother trying up here.  It also makes me feel better about not voting, because no matter who I vote for, the state's going to carry Kerry anyway.  I'm pretty sure there's a clause in the Constitution that says MA has to carry democrat.

Heh.  I'm a liberal living in Utah, so it's the exact opposite.  My presidential vote doesn't make a lick of difference, but I can at least try to make a difference in some of the local races and issues.
11696  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Miami & Florida St. BOTH lose on: November 02, 2004, 01:25:22 PM
Actually, I freely admitted we haven't played anybody good.  From my second post:

We've completely destroyed every team we've faced, but we have yet to play anybody good.

Let me try to repeat what I already said.  We will never know how good this team is.  If they go out and get trounced in a BCS game, or lose one of their last 3 games, then you're absolutely right...we're overrated.  But the way the system is set up, we will never know that.

Ok. you have two common games, adn Utah won them both by more impressive margins. Ok, good for you. If you can honestly tell me that the schedule UTah plays even approximately approaches the schedule of a Big Ten team, well there is something wrong here.

OK.  Then how, exactly, are we supposed to compare teams who will never face each other?  IMO, the only way to compare is to look at common opponents.  Wisconsin barely squeaks by Arizona and UNLV teams that Utah completely dominates, yet I'm supposed to look at that and say that Wisconsin is better simply because they play in the Big 10?  I guess that logic is as flawed to me as my logic is to you.  Yes, the MWC is down this year.  There's no question about that.  But to say that Utah wouldn't be able to compete against such powerhouses as Penn State (2-6), Northwestern (4-4), Michigan State (4-4) in the Big 10 is simply ridiculous. True, they might not be 8-0 after facing Ohio St. or Wisconsin, but I find it hard to believe they wouldn't be close to the top of that conference as well.

But, again, we'll never know...

Not to metnion the record of Utah's opponents is an aggregate .380.

And the record of Wisconsin's opponents is 37-53.  Better than Utah's, but not exactly stellar, eh? (.411 if I did my math right)

BTW, I'm not trying to bash on Wisconsin or the Big 10.  I just think it's ridiculous that they can jump spots in the BCS during a bye week.  

I woudl be the first to agree that the NCAA and the BCS are corrupt, flawed institutions, but I fear the very rude awakening Utah is in for if they reach a BCS bowl game.

We completely agree on the first part.  On the second, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
11697  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Miami & Florida St. BOTH lose on: November 01, 2004, 10:15:05 PM
Well, I guess Wisconsin fans can now be very happy, since they just leapfrogged Utah in the BCS during a fucking bye week.  Utah blows out SDSU by 30 on the road, and yet they still get jumped in the newest BCS standings by a team that didn't even play.

I don't know what Alvarez did at practice this week, but it must have been absolutely incredible to jump up in the rankings.  Nice system, BCS.  :roll: [/b]
11698  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Eddie Izzard on: November 01, 2004, 05:07:06 PM
Izzard is hilarious.  I've got an "I poke badgers with spoons" sticker on my car, courtesy of one of his routines.
11699  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Horrible Halloween pumpkin on: November 01, 2004, 04:38:16 PM
How about this one? (probably NSFW)

BJ pumpkin 1
BJ pumpkin 2
11700  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Do you want to have your GoneGold feedback verified here? on: November 01, 2004, 03:04:41 PM
Warning:  I think you can verify me from our GG trades.
11701  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / The GT Pay It Foward Freebies Thread *closing end of 2005* on: November 01, 2004, 02:54:41 PM
Aussie:  I'll take Chessmaster 7000.

PM coming....
11702  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / LOTR: The Third Age RPG: Going to be good? on: November 01, 2004, 02:22:40 PM
I'm guessing this is the review olaf mentioned.

The game sounds promising, but I'll probably wait for a few more reviews before picking it up.  Final Fantasy gameplay in a LotR setting sounds perfect to me, and I'm hoping they can pull it off well.[/url]
11703  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Miami & Florida St. BOTH lose on: November 01, 2004, 12:45:23 PM
Quote from: "Big Jake"
Gratch, the problem with UNC and Miami, is that Miami has repeatedly played down to their level of opposition, and frankly, if you're a member of the UNC team, who are you going to be more fired up to play?  Utah, or the perennial title contender Miami(FL)?  

OK, but that sounds more like a reason for Miami to be considered a "fraud" in the BCS than for Utah to be.  If you consistently play down to weak opponents, then can't manage to get mentally prepared to play a team you're supposed to crush, then you have no business being one of the top 3 teams.  

Oh, and I agree with you that BCS is bs. There was no college champion last year. Oklahoma lost their immediately prior game to the title game: name many any other time in sports where a title game/series started and one of the two teams had lost the immediate prior game? Fact is, the ultra-corrupt NCAA had already figured they had so much money in Oklahoma they weren't gonna let something so trivial as the actual results of a football game affect their decision.

Sadly, that's very true.  There is so much money wrapped up in the bowl system that we will never see a true playoff system in the NCAA.  Therefore, we will never truly see if a team like Utah (or any other mid-major team) is grossly overrated, or if they can actually hang with the "big boys".  I think it's ridiculous that a weak conference like the Big East gets an automatic BCS bid, while many other deserving teams will get shut out.
11704  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Yay, it's snowing! (Updated with pics. Just 'cause) on: October 31, 2004, 08:48:52 PM
Sorry for the image quality, but the only digital camera I have is the crappy one built into my camcorder.

Anyways, here's Vader in the snow:

It's starting to warm up a little, so I doubt the snow will last past tomorrow.  frown  Nice to have while it's here though.
11705  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Miami & Florida St. BOTH lose on: October 31, 2004, 08:32:21 PM
All I can say is...we'll see.  Honestly, no one will have any idea how good Utah really is until (hopefully) they play their BCS game.  We've completely destroyed every team we've faced, but we have yet to play anybody good.  I think it's great that we might get the chance to prove something in a BCS game.  If we lose, then I'll agree with you and say we were overrated.  But if we win a BCS game, then is Utah still a "complete fraud"?  Nope.  Unfortunately, we won't know until the end of the season.  A Utah BCS win would also go a long way towards proving what we all already know;  that the BCS is a complete crock 'o shit.  

Really, the only way to compare is to look at common opponents of Utah and the other BCS contenders.  For example, the same UNC team that we hung close to 700 yards of offense on a couple weeks ago just beat the #3 team in the BCS.  So what does that say about the teams ranked ahead of us?
11706  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Yay, it's snowing! (Updated with pics. Just 'cause) on: October 31, 2004, 05:14:59 PM
Woke up at about 7:00 this morning and it was just raining.  Went back to sleep for a couple hours and just woke up to about 2 inches of snow on the ground!  Sweeeeet.

Now I get to go let my dog out in it for the first time.  He's never seen snow, so this should be interesting...
11707  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Miami & Florida St. BOTH lose on: October 31, 2004, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: "Eightball"
Quote from: "Gratch"
against also-rans in their conferences.  

We're having a down year this year, but Maryland is one of five division I programs to have won 10 games or more the past 4 years.  Save your also-ran comment for teams like Clemson...

Sorry, I was just talking about this year.  Maryland is 9th in the ACC and UNC is 5th.
11708  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Miami & Florida St. BOTH lose on: October 31, 2004, 02:59:52 AM
Oh what a great day for college football.  2 of my most hated college teams go down in flames against also-rans in their conferences.  It'll be very interesting to see how this shakes up both the top 10 and the BCS standings.

As a Utah fan, this couldn't be better.  #3 Miami loses to a UNC team that we crushed by 30 a couple weeks ago, and 2 teams ranked ahead of us both lose.  And we're up 33-21 at halftime over SDSU.  What a great day so far...
11709  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Nintendo files suit against fan...UPDATE apology issued. on: October 29, 2004, 04:11:05 PM
I thought todays PA was pretty funny:

11710  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / What compelled you to go Console? on: October 29, 2004, 04:02:36 PM
With $100 and an E-Bay account:

-  Burnout 3 ($25)
-  Need for Speed Underground ($16)
-  Beyond Good & Evil ($10)
-  Star Wars KOTOR ($13)
-  Thief 3 ($15)
-  Soul Calibur 2 ($8)

Wouldn't be a bad haul, eh?
11711  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Bards Tale Impressions on: October 29, 2004, 02:07:48 PM
I'm interested in Bard's Tale, but not enough to pay $50 for it.  I never played the PC version, so not tying this new one into the original game isn't a big deal for me.  I'm sure I'll pick it up when the price drops, which I don't imagine will take long.

I am interested to see how well the Snowblind engine transfers to the PC.  I'm actually a little surprised none of the previous games ever got ported over.
11712  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Stoked for Star Ocean on: October 29, 2004, 02:04:53 PM
Quote from: "Ragnarok"
Well, this ones up for trade.

I played for about 8 hours.  I fell asleep during one of the "events" or cut scenes.  Last I checked the word "event" meant something was actually happening, but between the long pauses, and unnecessary repeating of just about everything said, my mind just couldn't take it anymore and totally shut down.  At one point I actually screamed at Fayt to shut the f@ck up and quit whining about the same thing over and over again.  Hes too irritating to follow.  If your main character was that first guy you picked up(what was his name?  Chud? Clod? Crom?) it would've been much better.  What is with Japanese RPG's having such weakling little runts as main characters? :x

I felt exactly the same way and picked up Shadow Hearts:  Covenant instead.  It's a much, much better game and I think you'll enjoy it a lot more.
11713  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Boston Red Sox '04 World Series Champs!!! on: October 28, 2004, 04:11:46 PM
Quote from: "Octavious230"
Cool maybe we won't see poor Bill fumble that ball during the 86 series every stinking time the Sox get anywhere from now on....

Agree.  The guy makes a single error and it ruins his entire life.  I just hope than now the jackass Red Sox "fans" that basically forced Buckner into hiding will finally leave the guy alone.

Congrats to the Sox.  I normally can't stand to watch baseball, but I was glued to the last couple games of the Sox/Yankees series and all the WS games.  Pretty amazing stuff.
11714  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / PSP = $185 on: October 27, 2004, 10:45:12 PM
I'm going to wait and see the post-launch game lineup before dropping $$ on this.  I'm not much into portable gaming, so I'm a little leery of dropping $185 for something I won't use much.  I paid $100 for a GBA and I've basically only used it to play Final Fantasy Tactics  (although that game alone probably justifies the purchase).
11715  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / GG revisted The Infamous Wet T-Shirt Topic (NSFW) on: October 27, 2004, 06:48:53 PM

11716  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Favorite Albums on: October 27, 2004, 04:59:42 PM
Quote from: "Sepiche"

Oingo Boingo - Farewell Live

I was at that show.  Not only a great album, that was one of the best live shows I've ever seen. smile


I hate you.

OK, not really.  But I am awfully jealous.  Never got into Boingo until after they broke up.  Now I wish I could have seen them live.  frown
11717  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Favorite Albums on: October 27, 2004, 04:14:56 PM
The top 5 are concrete, the rest change with my mood:

1.  Skinny Puppy - Too Dark Park
2.  David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust
3.  Yasounori Mitsuda & Millenial Fair - Xenogears Cried
4.  Tool - Aenima
5.  Alice In Chains - Dirt
6.  Bad Religion - Suffer
7.  Bauhaus - In the Flat Field
8.  Joy Division - Substance (yes, I know it's a greatest hits.  Sue me.)
9.  Front Line Assembly - Implode
10.  Primus - Frizzle Fry
11.  Sisters of Mercy - Floodland
12.  Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
13.  Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes
14.  Assemblage 23 - Failure
15.  Ian Anderson - Secret Language of Birds
16.  Guns N Roses - Use Your Illusion II
17.  They Might Be Giants - Lincoln
18.  Ministry - Psalm 69
19.  Oingo Boingo - Farewell Live
20.  The Jesus Lizard - Down
11718  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Greatest Rock n' Roll Frontman on: October 27, 2004, 04:00:50 PM
Tough to narrow it down to just one, so I'll throw out a few that spring immediately to mind:

-  Freddy Mercury
-  David Bowie (especially Ziggy Stardust era)
-  Ogre (Skinny Puppy)
-  Axl Rose
-  Peter Murphy
11719  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Stoked for Star Ocean on: October 27, 2004, 01:28:29 PM
I agree with LE on Star Ocean.  The absolutely dreadful voice acting, lame story, weak combat system, and bland, boring graphics really killed SO3 for me.  Granted, I only gave it about 7 hours.  I've been told that the story doesn't really kick in until about 10 hours in, but if a game hasn't grabbed me before the 10 hour mark, I won't keep playing it.  

Shadow Hearts:  Covenant is a far superior RPG.  No, you don't have to have played the first game to understand it, but there are many things that will make a lot more sense and have much more impact if you are familiar with the back story.
11720  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Looking for a GBA game recommendation on: October 27, 2004, 12:02:52 PM
Quote from: "tru1cy"
Hmmm, maybe I should give Shadow Hearts:Covenant a try or Star Ocean

I'd go with Shadow Hearts.  A much, much, much better game imo.
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