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1  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: June 17, 2008, 03:31:11 PM
The forum is setup and ready to go. We just need to make a call on a database infrastructure thing and repoint the domain from the temp page.
2  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: June 16, 2008, 12:01:15 AM

Quote from: vizionblind on June 15, 2008, 11:03:28 PM

I take it OO is down for good.

Quite the contrary. Barring a botched upgrade/conversion (which I wouldn't completely rule out), we should be back late Monday or Tuesday. As Rip said, the old forum has been restored, and I'm in the process of running the upgrade script. The script is not very fast (it has 1.2 million posts to move after all), but it fortunately is mostly automated, so I can let it continue to run overnight.

I probably could've just deleted LordMortis' posts and had it running within an hour, but that seemed kind of cruel.
3  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: June 12, 2008, 12:32:23 AM

Quote from: cheeba on June 12, 2008, 12:14:50 AM

What happened to going ahead with a new and improved forum and linking in the old stuff later?

I mentioned it over at Popehat, but there was a problem with the new host (heh). At least we found that out pretty quickly.

Also, what Zaxxon said.
4  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: June 02, 2008, 06:53:02 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on June 02, 2008, 02:38:36 PM

If nothing else it will be an interesting social experiment.

Code Purple! Code Purple! We've been found out!
5  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: May 29, 2008, 02:10:09 PM

Quote from: Gratch on May 29, 2008, 11:42:30 AM

I do wish the powers that be would give some closure to the whole thing, but I'm not holding my breath for that.

If the OO Staff decides to throw in the towel, you can be sure it will be announced.

I don't have any update at this point. The database is still not available. I haven't heard anything new on when it will become available. Staff has started some "what if the db never comes back" discussions, but it's all very preliminary at the moment.
6  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I wonder if anyone will notice this. Seems more pronounced here than at OO. on: May 28, 2008, 02:40:19 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on May 28, 2008, 02:27:42 PM

So, let's try this no-nested quotes option. 

Want x 2 + 1 ^ ∞
7  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: May 23, 2008, 05:52:15 PM
The search function never worked properly so other than ongoing epic length threads I only really ever looked back a month or two in post history.

Just one little FYI that I think alluded to earlier, if OO does come back, a forum software upgrade (which would also likely happen at the same time) would significantly improve searching through old posts. I've tested it internally and it works a lot better now.
8  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: May 23, 2008, 05:45:37 PM

Quote from: Arnir on May 23, 2008, 05:31:03 PM

If the question asked is needed for genuine input, might I consider that a separate thread with a poll option be used.  Preferably created by Gedd or Rip so that people know (well might understand) that it is a serious question and not just time killing.

It's not really a serious question as in "What would the community like us to do?". It's a thinking exercise for those asking why we haven't just started clean at this point. It's also something I've given some thought to during this time.

Besides, I have this thread bookmarked. If I add one more bookmark it's going to make the Bookmark pane scroll.

I noticed the Wanderers' site is back up, seemingly with its forum history intact.  Did they get it recovered from Rip or did they have some other form of backup they used?

Rip recovered a lot of what I assume are "customer" databases. Of course the question follows "well if he could do site x, why not OO?". I would assume OO's size has a part to play in it since it probably took longer to recover.

How much effort would it take to put up a two sentence progress update once a week so we at least know something is happening?

Without looking at my post history, I've answered "update?" questions a few times in the last few weeks here. I only update the OO page when there's actually something new to report. Otherwise it would like:

"5/21/08 - Checked the MySQL server, the OO database is not up yet."
"5/22/08 - Checked the MySQL server, the OO database is not up yet."
"5/23/08 - Checked the MySQL server, the OO database is not up yet."

And I am checking it every day.
9  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: May 23, 2008, 12:32:41 PM

Quote from: CSL on May 23, 2008, 04:57:17 AM

I'm just wondering why one of the little guys hasn't just said fuck it and recreated the forum at another site.

Just for fun...

Poll - Octopus Overlords is:

a) The people (posters).
b) The history (posts).
c) Both a and b.
d) [Insert snarky comment...e.g. "Dead"]
10  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: May 17, 2008, 03:15:47 PM

Quote from: Sarkus on May 17, 2008, 01:36:43 AM

Also, why does the temp page refer to "OO Forum Staff" when no one but Rip seems to want to take any ownership of what's going on?

I say "OO Forum Staff" on the update page partly because I ran the first official statement (and possibly second) with the staff. It sounds more official-like too.

Well, some of Rip's posts seem to refer to other people having to make decisions.  For example, he's hinted that OO could go up "as it was" but that they might upgrade the software, etc., now since they were going to in the near-term anyway.  He's suggested that isn't his decision to make.  So who's is it?

Edit:  For example, in this thread on April 29th Rip said "It is however possible that OO could be up and running where it left off by morning. That is/was/will be a staff decision."  He said that in reference to whether they would just put OO back up or would do some previously planned work to improve/upgrade the site.  I'm just wondering who the "staff" he's referring to are.

The staff includes the technical admins, forum admins, and the moderators. It's probably been mentioned elsewhere, but prior to the downtime we were discussing (and actually pretty much on the cusp of) doing a forum software upgrade/conversion, in addition to moving the site to different hardware within Rip's domain.

With the downtime, we talked about what to do with bringing the site up, whether to do the software upgrade immediately (after all, what's one more day of downtime?) or put things up knowing we'd be bringing it down in the near future again for the upgrade. That's the decision Rip is referring to.

At this point, we're still waiting for the database to be brought back online, which echoes the temp page, and is why there has been no further update.
11  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: May 10, 2008, 04:36:12 PM

Quote from: Crux on May 10, 2008, 04:03:51 PM

So is anyone even trying to get OO back up at this point? Just curious...

Unequivocally, yes.
12  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 29, 2008, 12:27:58 PM

Quote from: Arnir on April 28, 2008, 10:57:51 PM

The OO upgrade should contain a hell of a lot of bells and whistles by the time it is up or else I'm confused as to why we are still treading water.  (Mandatory ocean/squid reference.)

You realize the downtime isn't because of an upgrade, but rather because of the hardware failure and needing to rebuild the server and site, right? If you're expecting magic fairies to come and serve you coffee and donuts while a friendly gnome types up your post as you dictate, you're going to be a might bit disappointed.
13  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I really like this site! on: April 25, 2008, 02:19:52 PM

Quote from: Jag on April 25, 2008, 02:09:57 PM

Wasn't Appaz a Horde lock on WW? Name sounds familiar. I'm still chugging along on the old server.

He still is on Whisperwind (and in Wanderers).
14  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 21, 2008, 11:54:18 AM

Quote from: QP on April 21, 2008, 11:21:03 AM

Oh just a thought for the board admins...could you change the temp server's 404 page to also have the OO is coming back message?  I know I have a shortcut right to new topics as my usual entry point.

Thanks for the idea. Should be done.
15  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 21, 2008, 12:06:54 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on April 20, 2008, 10:28:48 PM

I'm still getting 'server not found' here.

It may take a little bit for the nameserver changes to propagate. They usually warn that it can take up to 24-48 hours, but this switch was really quick for me.
16  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 20, 2008, 08:39:34 PM

Quote from: Clanwolfer on April 20, 2008, 04:28:51 PM

Huzzah!  No more OpenDNS error message when I click on my much-ignored 'OO' bookmark!

Yep, temporary page should be up as of this morning.
17  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 17, 2008, 04:29:55 PM

Quote from: LordMortis on April 17, 2008, 04:28:12 PM

My grammar is improved because of a simple "Spell Check" button that allows me to see most mistakes without having to spend copious amounts of effort looking for them (and it is copious amounts of effort for me).

I was right!

And good grief, when did I accumulate >300 posts here?
18  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 17, 2008, 04:24:05 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on April 17, 2008, 04:11:21 PM

who hacked his account?

Perhaps he used the Spell Check button.
19  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 17, 2008, 04:11:03 PM
I'm actually in the process now of trying to put up a temporary page. The domain is at GoDaddy if I recall correctly, so just need to get in touch with ImLawBoy. My contact info for him is a year-old though, so if anyone has something more recent, feel free to PM me.

I'm not sure I want to get into putting up a temporary forum though. There are several currently in use (GT, PH, Qt3), and it just doesn't make a lot of sense to add in a 4th at this point.
20  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 17, 2008, 11:04:25 AM

Quote from: Jeff Jones on April 17, 2008, 05:19:48 AM

Free or not, he still took on the responsibility of hosting the community, and year old backups and 2 (3, 4?) week outages don't sound all that responsible to me.

For the record, the lack of a recent offsite backup is entirely my fault. I'm as surprised as anyone that I don't have something from at least a few months ago. When we get back from this, I will be doing more frequent backups of the data. I know that doesn't help us now, but it should help us going forward.

Quote from: Tals on April 17, 2008, 10:58:46 AM

On a side note Gedd - are there any backups, even if it went back a month would it be that bad if we lost a months posts - as opposed to being down a month (or longer) whilst we wait for data recovery....just a thought as downtime as opposed to lost data is always a nice juggling act.

The last backup of the database I've done and been able to find is a year old. That's a *lot* of posts (and some admin actions to boot).
21  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 16, 2008, 09:49:40 PM

Quote from: Sarkus on April 16, 2008, 09:00:33 PM

Who owns OO, anyway?  Is it Rip?  Just wondering.

I believe ImLawBoy has control of the domain itself. The servers are Rip's.
22  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 16, 2008, 09:48:04 PM

Quote from: The Meal on April 16, 2008, 09:34:10 PM

I know that the current limitations of that forum software are going to be a major hurdle made more difficult to overcome after seeing some greener grass in other places.

If there is better forum software, I'm always up for looking at it. Just let me know what features it is that are really making the grass look so green.
23  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 15, 2008, 07:33:45 PM

Quote from: Hamlet3145 on April 15, 2008, 05:30:57 PM

I know there are a ton of Wanderers guild members who probably think we've been nuked off the planet at the moment.   icon_eek

Ham, I've actually talked to Tharn and we have something temporary setup for now with the Wanderers site. Might just need a little time for DNS to do its thing.
24  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 15, 2008, 04:01:49 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 15, 2008, 03:51:05 PM

That's just like you, you bastard!

Leave him alone you jerk!
25  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 15, 2008, 02:03:58 PM

Quote from: SirReal on April 15, 2008, 01:54:54 PM

I could even throw up a temporary board if there's a tolerably recent backup (Gedd?).

Unfortunately my most recent backup doesn't appear to be very recent at all. I mentioned over at Popehat that I would've sworn that I had a more recent backup which I created for testing the phpBB3 conversion process, but for some reason I can't find it on my drive. If, for some reason, the data is unrecoverable from the drives, I'll do a more thorough search.
26  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 11, 2008, 01:29:25 AM

Quote from: Semaj on April 11, 2008, 12:32:07 AM


Wanderers guild site is on the same server as OO.
27  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 11, 2008, 12:05:32 AM

Quote from: Semaj on April 10, 2008, 10:53:24 PM

Man, I havent been back to the wanderer forums in years... lol

I should probably go see how they are doing..

Um, now is probably not the best time...
28  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 08, 2008, 09:31:04 PM

Quote from: Zaxxon on April 08, 2008, 09:08:01 PM

Do you have any update on what the heck happened?

If I understand correctly (and my geek speak when it comes to hosting hardware is very undeveloped), the raid controller corrupted the raid tables leaving the drives intact, but unaccessible. I believe Rip is taking the opportunity to move things to a more VM-based setup while he tries to recover the stuff off the drives.

(feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here Rip)
29  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 08, 2008, 08:59:14 PM
Just talked to Rip a bit myself and it sounds like he's hoping on having everything back in the next few days if I understand correctly. Just taking some time to reconstruct the stuff off the drives and get it back up and running.
30  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 07, 2008, 07:41:47 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on April 07, 2008, 07:36:19 PM

Incredibly well.  It has an incredible feature set, not the least of which is a robust search engine.  SMF 2.0 should go live sometime in the next 3 months and promise a whole bevy of new goodies as well as better performance.  (I just can't roll out the beta in a production environment in good conscience to test those theories)

Nice. Might have to play with it some on the home box.

Disappointed to see they're (SMF) still using tables for layout though. I think phpBB3 has finally moved into the "modern" world of divs/css for layout.
31  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 07, 2008, 07:34:13 PM

Quote from: Austin on April 07, 2008, 07:04:11 PM

But seriously Gedd has some goodies in store.

Unfortunately as far as I can tell with phpBB3,they're still using a similar search system. It's by far one of biggest weaknesses of phpBB as a whole, and I was a little disappointed to see it return.

So how's SMF treating you guys?
32  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Cookie Cutter Econ on: December 24, 2005, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: "Destructor"
Yes, but it's completely random if 'Santa' gives it to you. Most of the time you get crap.

The recipe is one of several random recipes you can get for doing either the Metzen quest or the Greench quest. I think it would've made more sense to give the option of which recipe you wanted, but I suspect they can't do the wrapped thing then (you get it as a wrapped present from Santa).

That, and you need to know Engineering. It's pretty high up on the skill tree too, if I remember right. And you can create exactly one snowball per day.

Snowmaster is 190, which isn't too high. It does have the once a day limit and you need (vendor bought) water to make the snowball.
33  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / In 3.5 hours I sign my life away on: December 23, 2005, 02:17:34 PM
Congratulations Ken. Sounds like a very cool night. smile
34  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Can a complete newb build his own rig? *Final Update* on: December 23, 2005, 02:10:49 PM
Congratulations X. smile
35  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / World of Warcraft tops 5 million on: December 19, 2005, 10:30:25 PM
I always wonder if these announcements mean they've got x number of *active* subscribers, or whether they've had x number of subscribers sign up since the game started.

5,000,000 *45 for the game
5,000,000 * 15 a month


Well, to be fair, the pricing scheme is different in other countries. I think folks in Korea don't pay for the box, but they pay more per month for instance.

Still a lot of clams though.
36  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / IGE Banner Ad on: December 19, 2005, 10:28:10 PM
What warning said. You'll get the syntax for it then, but it's basically:

[quote="Your Royal Highness"]Please pass the butter.[/quote]

And you'll get:

Quote from: "Your Royal Highness"
Please pass the butter.
37  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / WoW 1.9 Patch Notes on: December 17, 2005, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: "Destructor"
Okay, yes, I will admit that I was wrong and that there are some 5 man places you can travel to to get some decent loot. I guess my point is that the game goes from being causal to a grind to continue to 'power up' your character. Didn't get the random blue drop from the boss? Turn right around and try, try again!  :roll:

Or you can go to any one of 7 (8 if you include BRD) dungeons and try a different set of bosses/challenges. Really, if you're focused completely on loot, then yeah, it's going to turn into a boss grind. If you enjoy hittng the dungeons and the challenge of some of them (5-manning Strath is still one of my most enjoyable parts of the game), then it can still be a lot of fun.

However, at some time you'll get to the point where you don't want to hit those dungeons again for a long, long time. Even with quite a few options, eventually you're going to burn out on the content.

And as far as PvP goes... The only people who will get the PvP items that are remotely useful are those who have been PvPing since day one, and are capable of spending every single day doing it over and over again. Once again, a grind.

Grind, yes. But you're incorrect that the only folks who'll get the "remotely useful" items are those that have been doing it since day one.

Getting the items from the PvP ranking system is extremely hard, and really only the most hardcore of PvPers who can devote a ton of time to it will succeed. Note however, that most folks upon reaching the highest rank and buying the available items will take a break and eventually someone else will overcome them. The bad thing is that, at least on Whisperwind, the top slot is basically controlled by a guild or two who essentially manipulate the system to rotate folks through the top rank.

What you're probably forgetting is the other way to get access to items in battlegrounds, and that's via reputation. It does take a lot of work to get to exalted where the purples generally are (and rightfully so), but by no means do you need to have been PvPing since day one to get them.
38  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / WoW 1.9 Patch Notes on: December 17, 2005, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: "Destructor"
Once you hit 60, you absolutely and utterly MUST get into a group of 40 people just to advance your character further.

Well, actually there's a step in between where you only need to group with 4 others to advance. Most players, by the time they're 60, have a good number of green gear, some of it they've had since their late 40s. There are a lot of good high-end blues that can be had from hitting the high-end 5-man instances (DM, LBRS, UBRS, etc).

In fact, with so many folks wanting to get into the 40 man game, a lot of raid groups require a certain minimum gear set to get in. Not only does it mean you'll be well-equipped for the raid, but you'll also have the experience of working in these high-end instances (which are typically harder than the earlier instances).

Of course there is another option, that being the PvP route. You can get a lot of good gear by spending time in the battlegrounds. But if PvP isn't your cup of tea, then that won't do you much good.

There are some high-end items, even epics, that can be gotten solo, but they require a ton of grinding to obtain.

Oddly enough this very topic seems to be one of the hotspots on the WoW forums, and even got a sticky on what Bliz is working on to improve it (although there's no real details at this time).
39  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Im surprised on: December 16, 2005, 02:49:56 PM
Quote from: "tcweidner"
Hell us wanderers went into that game with over a hundred players, I think almost everyone left within a month or 2.

I stayed for 3! (but then again it was my first MMO and I've got a high tolerance level)

Quote from: "Turtle"
I wouldn't be surprised if it was shut down, then a year or two later a new and improved Star Wars MMOG is released

I'd agree with you here Turtle, but I'd say it's more like 3 years. If the game is going to compete again, it's got to be completely redone, including the graphic engine.

Regardless of whether it's 1 or 2 or 3 years, the question is when it is released, will anyone care? They missed out on a huge opportunity to snag folks with the movies coming out, and unless Lucas has changed his mind and is going to make episodes 7-9, the free publicity from the movies will be long gone.

On top of it all, games like Battlefront II are satisfying the action Star Wars fans (at least that's what I've read), so all you have left are really the folks who've already played SWG, and you're not going to have a lot of folks from *that* crowd.

They'd really, really have to do something special to make a new SWG successful. Either that or hand the reins over to someone other than SOE.
40  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / What am I? Stupid? More WoW.... on: December 13, 2005, 02:41:29 PM
Quote from: "Destructor"
Ron, Ron, Ron... First you get drawn back into WoW, and then you play what is called the worst, most incomplete, and gimped class of them all (at least last time I checked the boards, which has been months). What's wrong with you? biggrin

*Never* trust the offical WoW forums for anything related to class info. While there's a few pearls in there every now and then, the bulk of it is folks whining about how underpowered/broke/un-fun/in-need-of-repair their class is. Do Warlocks still have some bugs and issues? Sure...but so does every class in the game (even those of us who've been officially revamped/reviewed).

My wife loves her warlock. The only reason I haven't rolled one myself is because I'm debating about whether I should hold off for the expansion or not, not to mention I've already got two alts I'm leveling pretty hard right now.

So what have I missed? I hear rumor of 'open transfers' for characters from servers to servers? True? In the works?

It's reportedly in the works, and there's possibly going to be some small fee attached to it to keep folks from abusing it too much. Most likely you'll have to stay within your realm type (so no PvE to PvP transfers, etc.).

What are the good plugins now? I got Titan and that seems pretty solid...what else?

Titan is decent. A lot of folks I know are running some build of CTMod. It's a really well done mod (actually group of mods), and unlike most of the ones out there, it's still frequently updated these days. Other than a good portion of CTMod, I'm just using some minor addons to help with specific tasks (things like SmartPet, Atlas, Gatherer, etc. Autobar is pretty decent as well.
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