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1561  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 07:52:58 PM
Quote from: "Balshazaar"
Quote from: "Fireball1244"
Quote from: "Balshazaar"
The nature of the supposedly forthcoming 'fracture' of the remaining Gonegold community is in itself proof of the fact that the discussion of Religion and Politics was a contentious issue at Gonegold.


That's absurd. The fracture will occur because some of us were at GG mainly for EBG/R&P, while others were there for the main forums. The fact that not everyone posted in R&P doesn't make R&P's existence "contentious."


Since you were only there for a few months, then I guess you never saw the huge arguments that happened when the split was made.


Perhaps there were arguments when the split was made. I've been on other boards when the general news and political commentary threads were pulled apart from one another, so i can imagine what it was like. But the split worked very, very well.
1562  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 07:48:58 PM
Actually, the R&P at GG was remarkably civil for an Internet Board, specifically because the main thrust of the site was NOT politics or religion, thus what you had was a cross cut of folks who had some other general interest connecting them, instead of a board dominated, or even created, by one group of partisans to beat up on another group of partisans.

Was it always civil? Of course not.

But neither were all of the gaming subforums, either. People argue. Tempers flare. But the R&P community endured, and some of us are obviously still fighting (futilely at this point) for its continued endurance, because by and large the threads were respectful, the tone informative and the trolls easily identified and few and far between.

There's no reason that sort of interaction could not also be displaced to here, as have the PC gaming conversations, other than fiat of the leaders of this board, which I accept. But to propose that the notion is untenable is not supported by the facts.
1563  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 07:41:19 PM
Quote from: "Balshazaar"
The nature of the supposedly forthcoming 'fracture' of the remaining Gonegold community is in itself proof of the fact that the discussion of Religion and Politics was a contentious issue at Gonegold.


That's absurd. The fracture will occur because some of us were at GG mainly for EBG/R&P, while others were there for the main forums. The fact that not everyone posted in R&P doesn't make R&P's existence "contentious."
1564  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 07:34:35 PM
Quote from: "jblank"
Quote from: "Mr. Fed"
I agree with Running Man, and I haven't even been drinking.  While this may not please some people (and even though I would have enjoyed a R&P forum here), IMO it probably fits the tone and spirit of the site best.  It's your site, make it what you want of it.  I'm sure that I'll stop by, and people who want R&P will find other homes.


But will we find a home that has the intelligence, fairness, spirit, and fun that we had with GG members? I doubt it.


We won't find it. I've posted at a dozen or more web boards that deal with politics, and never found one as impressive and balanced as what we had at GoneGold. And it died on Friday.

Given the way the bulk of refugees came here, this was probably our only chance to recreate anything approaching it. If we try to move en masse to an unrelated board or create a new one, most folks won't follow, and all that will be produced is a hollow echo of what was.

I appreciate the staff here at CG for giving so many of us refugees a home here, even if I'm one of the ones left out.

And I've never been more angry about the way that GG shut down without warning.
1565  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 07:23:19 PM
It's your board, and I respect your decision.

But it's very sad, because for me, this is the moment when the GG community died. I wasn't a member of GG for a great length of time, just the last few months, but I'm going to miss the discussions that were part of that board.

Best of luck with CG.
1566  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / EVERYONE READ PLEASE on: October 12, 2004, 05:31:53 PM
I first went to the GG forums for advice as a Mac user seeking to add a PC to my computer line up. I stayed initially because my two best friends posted there, and I was in EBG a lot. I stayed in the long term because of R&P.

The GG R&P forum was unique. GG was not a partisan site, so the R&P discussions were very politically balanced, if occasionally charged. There was little in the way of ganging up on anyone, as happens in overly conservative or overly liberal boards, and many of the discussions there were among the best political discussions I've seen on the Web. And I say this as a political scientist-in-training who spends 18 hours a day living, breathing and eating religion and politics.

The reason the R&P there was so good was because of the great community, most of which is here now. I never saw animosity bleed over into other threads, and rarely saw a discussion get out of hand (very strange for boards with political discussions).

In short, I think the R&P forum was one of the best things about GG, and I would miss it if it were not here, and probably wouldn't stay (but I'm not making that an ultimatum or antying, there's a good chance I would stay... I do like console games).

I would like to second jblank's offer of moderating/policing the R&P forums. I am on most week evenings and weekdays, and would be happy to give of my time to help recreate, or potentially recreate, the best R&P forum I've ever seen.

Please note this may be one of seven times in the history of the world that jblank and I substantively agree on something. smile
1567  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Three Days to Think About It on: October 11, 2004, 03:53:36 PM
I haven't been posting at GG for long, nor was I really one of the better known or particularly well-liked posters.

But it hit me like a kick in the gut when I went to my web browser the other night and reloaded to see if ... wow, I can't even remember who it was now... to see if the person I'd been sparring with in R&P had showed up to respond... but instead I got a Safari error. And it wouldn't go away.

I don't know Rich or his situation, and I hope that the fall of the site doesn't indicate a problem with him -- I've gleaned that there were health concerns. Wherever he is, I hope for the best, thoguh I would have appreciated a little warning before the site went down, or at least a redirect over here.

It seems like such a loss to have all those posts and efforts vanish.
1568  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Who Else Do We Need To Track Down from the GGF? on: October 11, 2004, 04:46:41 AM
A redirect is an excellent idea. Perhaps if we ever hear from the owners there we could get them to set one up for about a month. That should be enough to get even casual GGers over here.
1569  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Have to say this feels like GG forums to me... on: October 11, 2004, 02:55:10 AM
Yeah, this seems like a great board. I'm very sad to see the GG Forums (appear to) go, but this could easily be a new home. smile
1570  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Creating a GG alternative forum on: October 10, 2004, 11:33:38 PM
Quote from: "warning"
Quote from: "Fireball1244"
I'm Kirk McPike from GoneGold, and I would also appreciate a recreation of the R&P forum. It was pretty much the most balanced, most accessible R&P forum on the Web. It's a shame to have it be gone so suddenly.


Hey!  Welcome but wow that is a severe name change.


Fireball1244 was my actual account name at GG, it was just set to display my real name on my posts.
1571  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Creating a GG alternative forum on: October 10, 2004, 11:33:12 PM
So, if GoneGold has shirked free of this mortal coil, will a R&P forum be added here to accomodate those discussions? I'm a bit unclear on this. smile
1572  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Creating a GG alternative forum on: October 10, 2004, 02:11:04 AM
I'm Kirk McPike from GoneGold, and I would also appreciate a recreation of the R&P forum. It was pretty much the most balanced, most accessible R&P forum on the Web. It's a shame to have it be gone so suddenly.
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