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1561  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Thinking of buying an Apple computer on: October 24, 2004, 06:12:08 AM
Quote from: "Lee"
256 megs is not enough though. I will soon be popping in another gig of memory. The built in speakers are good, but I will need something with a little more base. Oh and I hate the one button mouse, it's just silly.


I don't mind the one button mouse, but I use a multibutton Kensignton Studio Mouse instead. I'd recommend it highly.

As for a Web browser, I use OmniWeb 5.1[/quote], which is the Safari rendering engine in a more featureful browser application. It's not free, but I've found it to be very much worth the price.

I also use Safari a lot, and I think very highly of Firefox.

Don't use Internet Explorer.

Glad you're happy with your overall experience. smile
1562  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Thinking of buying an Apple computer on: October 20, 2004, 09:57:30 PM
Is it an external hard drive? Because, yeah, a Mac can read an external Windows formatted hard drive (at least, in my experience). Of course, the system disk has to be HFS+.

And yes, if you plug in your iPod, it will/should format and work for the Mac. However, you need to move all your music to the Mac first, or else it will wipe it all off the iPod (which is a one way only syncing device, recall).

As for where to purchase, check out MacMall.com or MacWarehouse.com. They typically have Apple's MSRP, minus a few bucks, but invariably throw in freebies like RAM or a printer or something.
1563  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Thinking of buying an Apple computer on: October 20, 2004, 07:30:33 PM
You know, Mitch, the way I burn through these things, I woulda been happy to hook you up with one of my previous Macs at a very reasonable rate, installment plan and all.*






* - installment plan includes very onerous interest rates, but what's 27% monthly compounded interest between friends? smile
1564  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Thinking of buying an Apple computer on: October 20, 2004, 07:00:57 PM
Quote from: "Lee"
I think a 17" 1.8ghz iMac would be good with 512 megs, but can I add another 512 easily when I have the money to do so? iMacs look like they are hard to upgrade. Can you even upgrade them once they are built? I can't add a hard drive but can I upgrade the hard drive at a later time?

Would that iMac run Adobe Photo Elements good? Maybe I should forget photo editing on it and leave that for the PC?


That would run Photoshop Elements extremely well. PSE ran well on my old 800 MHz G4 iMac, I suspect it will fly on the newer model. As for upgrading, the previous poster was correct, this is the most expandable iMac ever, though some upgrades would likely void your warranty. Still, you just pop off the back (screws, I think) and you've got complete access to the logic board. It's almost as clean a design as my G5 tower.

If you already have a nice screen, you might want to look at the new $1,499 Power Mac G5. Similar speed to the new iMacs, but with upgradable video, more RAM slots, 3 PCI slots and a space for a second internal hard drive.

Kirk
1565  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Thinking of buying an Apple computer on: October 20, 2004, 04:24:21 PM
There is security in obscurity. However, if Windows shipped with the sort of default security the Mac does, if ports were closed, if programs required authorization, if most log ins didn't run as effective root accounts -- ie, the sort of stuff they're beginning to do in earnest with Windows XP -- then the deluge of malware faced by Windows users wouldn't have crested quite so high.

As advantages go, this is a receding one for Apple, as Microsoft is finally taking security seriously. But the major sticking point continues to be the need for Administrator access to run many software packages. Until Microsoft starts shunting people into less powerful user accounts by default, or gets very serious about blocking software launches not specifically requested by end users (through lots of authorization pop up windows, like in OS X), Windows users will continue to be at risk in a way Mac users are not.
1566  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Thinking of buying an Apple computer on: October 20, 2004, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: "Laner"
And that's precisely the attitude I'm talking about.  

So you're saying there are no holes anywhere that can be exploited?  The dozen or so security updates I've installed this year seem to say otherwise.  Not running as root doesn't guarantee anything.  Yes, it's *more* secure, but it's not foolproof.

Pride goeth before the fall, and all that.


It's not pride, it's a security model that's been tested and retested for 20+ years. While it is possible for a virus to destroy all of a user's documents, sure, it is staggeringly unlikely that some hacker out there is going to find a hole in the tried-and-tested Unix security underpinnings of the Mac OS.

Again, the most destructive piece of malware to ever come out for Mac OS X has been the iTunes 2 installer.

On top of the permissions model, software that is being launched for the first time other than by direct user activation must prompt the user before it can run. Software that will make changes in any way to the system or library files must receive an administration password before it can run, even if the administrator is the active account. This stuff just isn't going to happen suddenly like it does on Windows, which is by default pretty insecure (SP2 is much better in my experience).

Also, with no ActiveX, there's no environment for web applets to install software. Mac OS X ships with all network ports closed and it requires an administrator password to open them.

I run Virex on my Mac, but I've never needed it. However, Macs can be virus carriers when it comes to things like Word macro viruses. Our lab at the newspaper used to be infested with a Word virus. It couldn't harm our Macs, but folks had to save files out as RTF to strip away the macros before taking documents to Windows machines.
1567  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Thinking of buying an Apple computer on: October 20, 2004, 06:37:44 AM
Not likely, no.

The problem isn't just the emulation slow down, it's the fact that Virtual PC does not hook into the Mac's native video hardware, so you're running  atop an emulated, baseline, non-3D enhanced, "shared memory" virtual video controller. Video performance in Virtual PC sucks. For using an Access database, or running an old DOS game (I run a presidential election emulator from the 1980s on Virtual PC at my office sometimes), it's okay. It's also quite useful for checking what a web page will look like on the majority platform. But in no way is it usable for Windows based games, or even advanced DOS based games.

Microsoft wanted to fix this in Virtual PC 7, which came out last month, but they had to change their schedule of features for that release when Apple rolled out its line of 64-bit computers. Virtual PC 6 couldn't run on a 64-bit machine, so that became the priority.

I'm hoping that Virtual PC 8 will include better native video support, but even then games on a low end Mac through emulation would be a pain in the butt since Apple doesn't precisely use high grade video cards in their low end machines (even their high end machines typically have middling cards).

Macs simply aren't gamer rigs. They're very good at what they do, but that's not really what they do.
1568  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Where you're sitting right now.. let's see it! (56k beware) on: October 20, 2004, 05:55:53 AM
Here's my place. It's messy because I'm moving in a month, so it's like "ehh, why pick up?"

1569  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / What's the last thing you've copied and pasted? on: October 20, 2004, 05:43:55 AM
http://www.mysterypollster.com/main/index.rdf

I was pasting the URL of an RSS feed into my aggregator. At work, the last thing I remember copying and pasting was "Scott Mechlowicz"... cause I was wanting something pretty to look at to get me through the harsh, cold misery of my workday.
1570  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Thinking of buying an Apple computer on: October 20, 2004, 05:38:07 AM
Quote from: "Lee"
I am thinking about getting a Mac too. My problem is I don't want to put a major investment into it, but I don't think I could handle the 17" eMac monitor. I am debating. I basically want the Mac for music, web surfing, and picture editing. I want it to be my daily use computer and my PC to be my game computer. Problem is Mac's aren't cheap.


Get the new iBook G4. It's $999 and has a 12" screen, but they're the best computers I've ever used. I love my iBook G3, and use it almost exclusively for writing, in lieu of my Power Mac G5 or my HP laptop. The low resolution (1024x768) wouldn't be a crimp in anything you plan to do, with the possible exception of image editing. Though I happily used Photoshop on an iMac at that same resolution for almost two years.

I'm a big proponent of OS X. It's gorgeous, extremely easy to use and rock solid, since it's built on top of Unix. Apple has achieved the sort of desktop usability in OS X that the Linux folks have been struggling to grasp for over a decade. The bundled software (Mail, Safari, iTunes, iCal, iMovie, Garage Band, iPhoto) covers the vast majority of what an average user would do with their machine... even some productivity stuff if you're happy with TextEdit, the Word-compatible rich text editor that ships with the OS.

There's also a great deal of commercial-quality shareware available for the Mac which is rarely seen on store shelves but which makes up a major portion of the Mac environment. Nisus Software's Nisus Writer Express is a great Word replacement that does the stuff that Word does that 90% of us use, but with less kruft and a better UI, and it saves by default in the Word-compatible .rtf format. Apple's Keynote is the same thing for PowerPoint.

I've been a Mac user for well over 10 years, and would be happy to offer help/advice/whatever you or the OP need regarding a Mac purchase.
1571  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Thinking of buying an Apple computer on: October 20, 2004, 05:15:18 AM
Quote from: "Laner"
Personally, I don't think it is.  There's nothing wrong with OS X, but it's certainly not the computing nirvana that the Macolytes claim.  It does some things better than Windows, and it does some things worse than Windows.  Some people will point to the lack of viruses and spyware, but honestly they're not a problem on my Windows machines either.  And if there ever is a serious OS X virus, it's going to tear through Mac systems like tissue paper because no one is protected.


That's unlikely. By default, every Mac system is protected because it has inherently more security, due to the very tight Unix permissions model. Most Windows users run in the equivalent of Root mode, which is not an active option in Mac OS X. There is no way a virus on your Mac could actually damage the Mac OS without you giving it explicit permission to do so, and even then the damage it could do would be very limited.

Of course, a virus could destroy all your documents, but hell, a bad iTunes 2 installer used to do that. slywink
1572  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Sell me on another browser than IE on: October 15, 2004, 07:12:53 PM
Bar none, the best web browser on the planet is OmniWeb. Preset workspaces alone are worth the price of the software... but probably not the price of the Mac required to run it.

So go with Firefox. It's fast, pretty and extensible. I've switched my entire 30-Mac, 5-PC company over to it, and everyone is happy. Except my boss. He's never happy. Which is good, because he's a mean old man.
1573  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / 007, you're fired!!!! on: October 15, 2004, 06:10:45 PM
Being realistic, I'm hoping for Jude Law.
1574  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Logins change from GG to CG? on: October 15, 2004, 05:54:15 PM
I was Kirk McPike at Gone Gold.

I'm still Kirk McPike, of course. But here, I'm not. Oooh, existential headache.
1575  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Occasionally, I'm ashamed to be a Canadian on: October 15, 2004, 05:51:00 PM
I like dogs. Any dog can be a good dog, if trained properly.

And if I had a dollar for every time I had sixty-cents, I'd be Canadian.
1576  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / LOST - 10/13/04 - HOLY CRAP!!!!! on: October 15, 2004, 03:47:16 PM
I totally saw the ending coming from the first shot in the episode where he's twitching his toes on the beach with a stunned look of joy on his face. I even called it out loud, so my friend Ferguson can vouch for me on that. smile

If Jack's hallucinating, that would explain the man in the suit. I also got the feeling that we'll be seeing the black woman's husband at some point. Perhaps there's another community on the island? Perhaps they could end up in conflict over resources/etc. We'll see.

Each episode is spanning 1 to 1.5 days, kinda like Twin Peaks. So if they keep that pace, our pals here may only be stranded on that island for a few months before the end of the series (provided they get rescued or escape at the end). That would help explain why they don't all grow really long beards and/or lose dramatic amounts of weight, but it would also limit the sort of building-our-own-civilization type stories they could tell.

There are something like 14 major characters, so I expect we'll be having a few more establishment episodes before we learn more about what makes this island so strange.
1577  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [P]KERRY/EDWARDS ELECTION DIRECTIVE on: October 14, 2004, 05:08:17 PM
Quote from: "Eco-Logic"
LOL, you seem to forget that votes were counted and the personality-lacking Gore still would have lost.  


That's disputable (most show a Bush victory, but some media recounts favored Gore, depending on the criteria used), but that's not what I was talking about.

What I was talking about was the thousands of black Floridians who came to the polls and were turned away because their names were on the lists of felons who were barred from voting, even though they were not felons. That Katherine Harris told the firm which compiled the list to use a broad standard, even after being told that this would result in many, many false positives.

The NAACP started receiving complaints from disenfranchised voters less than an hour after polls opened in Florida. What happened there was a disgrace to our democracy, and was certainly no accident.

That Katherine Harris could be both in charge of administering the election and be the head of Bush's Florida campaign is so sleazy that it makes me sick. That should be illegal in this country. In fact, all vote administration related offices should be strictly non-partisan, and those in them should not be allowed to act as a member of a partisan organization.

So, let's see. Republicans tear up Democratic voter registration cards in Oregon and Nevada, so hundreds, if not thousands, of voters will show up on Nov. 2 and discover that they're not actually registered to vote, despite having done so. And Katherine Harris leads a purge of blacks from voting rolls in Florida -- precisely enough of them that Bush won, with a little help from a badly designed ballot and confused voters in Palm Beach County.

And you have the gall of accusing the Democrats of being sleazy just because they're telling their folks to be on guard for Republican intimidation tactics?
1578  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [P]KERRY/EDWARDS ELECTION DIRECTIVE on: October 14, 2004, 04:31:48 PM
Looking at this memo, or the one page that's been made available, I see nothing problematic with it. It's saying to lay the groundwork in advance to combat typical forms of Republican voter intimidation prior to the intimidation become clearly present. What's wrong with being proactive to combat voter intimidation?

After what the Republicans did in Florida in 2000, Democrats are right to be wary.
1579  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [P] Kerry documentry before the election on: October 13, 2004, 09:20:15 PM
Yes, we definitely need to break up these ever-growing media companies. It's absurd to have a corporation that can through fiat of the politics of its ownership screw around with an election like this. No one company should be able to own more than 5 or 6 TV or radio stations. Period.
1580  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Urge to kill rising, most hated commercial category on: October 13, 2004, 05:21:52 PM
Is that the herpes commercial with the jingle? My friends and changed the lyrics to "Living my life! With herpes on my crotch!"

I swear, I thought that advertising hit its nadir with "Mom, do you ever get taht.... not so fresh feeling?"
1581  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [R] So the next debate is in Tempe Arizona on: October 13, 2004, 04:13:04 PM
These debate tickets are so expensive that even God couldn't afford 'em.

There, the R tag is now justified.
1582  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Third Presidential Debate on: October 13, 2004, 03:31:03 PM
All questions in the third debate will be about domestic policy issues. While homeland security will undoubtedly be brought up, the focus will be on the loss of jobs over the last four years, outsourcing, abortion, stem cells, gay marriage and the like.

This is not particularly friendly territory for the president.
1583  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Urge to kill rising, most hated commercial category on: October 13, 2004, 03:26:49 PM
I totally agree about prescription medicine ads. They should be banned again.

I feel bad for doctors who are berated by patients who come in saying "My television thinks I need a prescription for sudoberablax."

The least they could do is prominently tell us what, in particular, the drug is supposed to treat so I don't suddenly worry that I'm not getting enough of some drug with a catchy tune... even though it's for kidney failure and my kidneys are fine.
1584  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [R] So the next debate is in Tempe Arizona on: October 13, 2004, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: "Destructor"
I heard from somebody who got their 'early voter' card to mail back that there are TEN people running for president. TEN people.

Maybe not ten, but it was at least 8 people. Short of the two and Nader, I hadn't heard of a single one of them. Why are they even trying? Just to give the US a 'choice'?


Some of them are just vanity candidates, others are running because they fervently believe in a political philosophy which just doesn't fly with the average American -- ie, folks like the lets-get-theocratic Constitution Party.

And some are running because they feel compelled in their later years to undo all the admirable things they did to protect and help consumers and average Americans earlier in their life. Yes, I'm looking at you, Mr. Nader.
1585  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [R] So the next debate is in Tempe Arizona on: October 13, 2004, 03:08:29 PM
Quote from: "noxiousdog"
John Anderson got 6.6% in 1980 as an independent.
George Wallace got 13% in 68 as an independent.


Wallace also racked up 46 electoral votes (8.5%), since almost all of his vote was concentrated in 8 states from the old Confederacy. He's the only third party since the first part of the 20th Century to win electoral college votes.
1586  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [R] So the next debate is in Tempe Arizona on: October 13, 2004, 03:05:54 PM
I'd be willing to bet that those tickets are being scalped. Chances are that both parties are given a certain number of tickets, with a certain number made available for students at the college the debate is being held at. The parties pass them out to major donors and party regulars, some of whom may be trying to make a quick $200,000 on them.
1587  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [P] Kerry documentry before the election on: October 13, 2004, 04:34:52 AM
The problem with this activity is that it gives one person or group of persons, the board of Sinclair, a staggeringly larger amount of "speech" than it does other Americans. Campaign finance laws were designed to prevent that. If this doesn't violate them, it certainly runs rampant all across the spirit of the law.

If FCC regulations permit rich media owners to put whatever they want on the air in order to sway the election, then they regulations should be revised to block it. I'm not sure how you would word it, but there must be a reasonable standard that can be drawn that will allow legitimate news agencies to cover the campaigns, and will let candidates advertise, but which won't allow the wealthy to effectively use their wealth to drown out all other opinion. I'm not saying this stupid documentary will do that, but it certainly raises the specter of that sort of thing happening.

This is also a staggeringly cowardly act by Sinclair, but that's what we've come to expect from them. If they had any real courage, they'd let the opposing (ie anti-Bush) point of view also be expressed. I bet Michael Moore could whip up 55 minute cut of F9/11 just for them.

I hope Kerry has his lawyers watch this thing closely. If so much as one thing is presented falsely, I hope he nails them to the wall with a defamation of character suit.

As to electoral impact, I'm not certain it'll have much of one. The worst they could dredge up would be the sort of out-of-context stuff the Not-So-Swift Veterans threw at Kerry this August. He's already bounced back from that, and repeated attacks are rarely potent.
1588  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 11:10:14 PM
Quote from: "jblank"
Quote from: "pr0ner"
Quote from: "rrmorton"


I'm a big fan of my Xbox and PS2 (while my Gamecube is very dusty and sorta sucky.) Lord knows, I love console games. But this decision makes me feel like console gaming is still the domain of kids, not adults.


Ouch.  That's quite the inaccurate (and maybe even inappropriate) generalization you've made.


No more a generalization than what you and others have said or implied, when comments are made that adding R & P would basically lead to the end of CG, or that somehow the R & P posters at GG were the "sewer" type posters before the split into an R & P forum there. Mature people can talk about any topic, without throwing Molotav cocktails. For the most part, thats what we had there at GG.


That is absolutely not what whiteboyskim was saying. He did not call posters who posted in R&P sewer type posters. And while I can't specifically claim any sort of clairvoyance, I know for a fact that he doesn't think that either, as I've known him for 20 years. He's about as good as people come, and to my knowledge would never say what you're trying to make his words say.

I know this has been addressed already, but I felt the need to speak up for Mr. Skim.
1589  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 08:32:44 PM
I'm not biting anyone's hand, Mitchell. Unless you have some random definition whereby respectfully disagreeing with a decision by the powers-that-be is biting.

I am not privy to all of the history of the R&P. But I know that it was one of the best, least contentious political forums on the Web. It might have benefitted from a stronger moderation hand, but it was clearly something of value or folks wouldn't be bemoaning its death.  I didn't have to be there for the malice that may have led to its creation to recognize the quality of conversation and debate that was present in that sub-forum.

It was one of the most balanced and accessible political debate environments on the Internet, and I'd wager that I've done a lot more with politics on the Web than you have.

Again, I accept the decision here, though I disagree with it. And I'm very grateful that CG has provided a refuge for such a large percentage of those left out in the cold by the lousy way GoneGold went down. I'm certainly not angry that you all have vision for CG and are sticking to it, more power to you.

I just disagree strongly that an R&P sub forum somehow would rend the community here.
1590  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 07:58:19 PM
Quote from: "pr0ner"
Quote from: "Ralph-Wiggum"
Quote from: "pr0ner"
Quote from: "rrmorton"
Guess that's decided. I don't like the decision and now I'm worried about the comunity drifting off in different directions. It's not the R&P forum I want so much as the respect and faith in the coimmunity to discuss whatever they want in a civl manner.


Things at R&P on GG were never always civil.


Neither were things in EBG. Or in PC Games by Title (Derek Smart, anyone?). That doesn't necessarily mean that, as a whole, those forums were contentious.


But R&P, by nature, is a far more divisive subject, thereby leading to larger headaches when things explode.


Which is why some of us who are most committed to the notion of continuing the sort of reasoned, rational and mostly amicable R&P discussions that were part of the GG community offered to put our efforts where I keyboards are and take on any moderating/policing duties required to sustain such a sub-forum.
1591  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 07:55:34 PM
Quote from: "jblank"
Quote from: "pr0ner"
Quote from: "rrmorton"
Guess that's decided. I don't like the decision and now I'm worried about the comunity drifting off in different directions. It's not the R&P forum I want so much as the respect and faith in the coimmunity to discuss whatever they want in a civl manner.


Things at R&P on GG were never always civil.


Show me a forum, any forum, that talks about anything, where its "always" civil. As someone that was in R & P far more than you were, I think I can speak with some experience that the GG R & P forum, was more calm and civil than 90% of the gaming forums I have belonged to in my life. I have seen forums for Network professionals that are far more vicious than anything that ever took place in GG R & P.


The R&P forum was tame compared not only to most R&P forums, but to every Mac vs. Windows forum I've ever been in. To say nothing, a few years ago, of the DVD vs. Divx wars.

At least most arguments regarding R&P are rational, which is hardly the case for most platform wars.
1592  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 07:52:58 PM
Quote from: "Balshazaar"
Quote from: "Fireball1244"
Quote from: "Balshazaar"
The nature of the supposedly forthcoming 'fracture' of the remaining Gonegold community is in itself proof of the fact that the discussion of Religion and Politics was a contentious issue at Gonegold.


That's absurd. The fracture will occur because some of us were at GG mainly for EBG/R&P, while others were there for the main forums. The fact that not everyone posted in R&P doesn't make R&P's existence "contentious."


Since you were only there for a few months, then I guess you never saw the huge arguments that happened when the split was made.


Perhaps there were arguments when the split was made. I've been on other boards when the general news and political commentary threads were pulled apart from one another, so i can imagine what it was like. But the split worked very, very well.
1593  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 07:48:58 PM
Actually, the R&P at GG was remarkably civil for an Internet Board, specifically because the main thrust of the site was NOT politics or religion, thus what you had was a cross cut of folks who had some other general interest connecting them, instead of a board dominated, or even created, by one group of partisans to beat up on another group of partisans.

Was it always civil? Of course not.

But neither were all of the gaming subforums, either. People argue. Tempers flare. But the R&P community endured, and some of us are obviously still fighting (futilely at this point) for its continued endurance, because by and large the threads were respectful, the tone informative and the trolls easily identified and few and far between.

There's no reason that sort of interaction could not also be displaced to here, as have the PC gaming conversations, other than fiat of the leaders of this board, which I accept. But to propose that the notion is untenable is not supported by the facts.
1594  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 07:41:19 PM
Quote from: "Balshazaar"
The nature of the supposedly forthcoming 'fracture' of the remaining Gonegold community is in itself proof of the fact that the discussion of Religion and Politics was a contentious issue at Gonegold.


That's absurd. The fracture will occur because some of us were at GG mainly for EBG/R&P, while others were there for the main forums. The fact that not everyone posted in R&P doesn't make R&P's existence "contentious."
1595  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 07:34:35 PM
Quote from: "jblank"
Quote from: "Mr. Fed"
I agree with Running Man, and I haven't even been drinking.  While this may not please some people (and even though I would have enjoyed a R&P forum here), IMO it probably fits the tone and spirit of the site best.  It's your site, make it what you want of it.  I'm sure that I'll stop by, and people who want R&P will find other homes.


But will we find a home that has the intelligence, fairness, spirit, and fun that we had with GG members? I doubt it.


We won't find it. I've posted at a dozen or more web boards that deal with politics, and never found one as impressive and balanced as what we had at GoneGold. And it died on Friday.

Given the way the bulk of refugees came here, this was probably our only chance to recreate anything approaching it. If we try to move en masse to an unrelated board or create a new one, most folks won't follow, and all that will be produced is a hollow echo of what was.

I appreciate the staff here at CG for giving so many of us refugees a home here, even if I'm one of the ones left out.

And I've never been more angry about the way that GG shut down without warning.
1596  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 07:23:19 PM
It's your board, and I respect your decision.

But it's very sad, because for me, this is the moment when the GG community died. I wasn't a member of GG for a great length of time, just the last few months, but I'm going to miss the discussions that were part of that board.

Best of luck with CG.
1597  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / EVERYONE READ PLEASE on: October 12, 2004, 05:31:53 PM
I first went to the GG forums for advice as a Mac user seeking to add a PC to my computer line up. I stayed initially because my two best friends posted there, and I was in EBG a lot. I stayed in the long term because of R&P.

The GG R&P forum was unique. GG was not a partisan site, so the R&P discussions were very politically balanced, if occasionally charged. There was little in the way of ganging up on anyone, as happens in overly conservative or overly liberal boards, and many of the discussions there were among the best political discussions I've seen on the Web. And I say this as a political scientist-in-training who spends 18 hours a day living, breathing and eating religion and politics.

The reason the R&P there was so good was because of the great community, most of which is here now. I never saw animosity bleed over into other threads, and rarely saw a discussion get out of hand (very strange for boards with political discussions).

In short, I think the R&P forum was one of the best things about GG, and I would miss it if it were not here, and probably wouldn't stay (but I'm not making that an ultimatum or antying, there's a good chance I would stay... I do like console games).

I would like to second jblank's offer of moderating/policing the R&P forums. I am on most week evenings and weekdays, and would be happy to give of my time to help recreate, or potentially recreate, the best R&P forum I've ever seen.

Please note this may be one of seven times in the history of the world that jblank and I substantively agree on something. smile
1598  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Three Days to Think About It on: October 11, 2004, 03:53:36 PM
I haven't been posting at GG for long, nor was I really one of the better known or particularly well-liked posters.

But it hit me like a kick in the gut when I went to my web browser the other night and reloaded to see if ... wow, I can't even remember who it was now... to see if the person I'd been sparring with in R&P had showed up to respond... but instead I got a Safari error. And it wouldn't go away.

I don't know Rich or his situation, and I hope that the fall of the site doesn't indicate a problem with him -- I've gleaned that there were health concerns. Wherever he is, I hope for the best, thoguh I would have appreciated a little warning before the site went down, or at least a redirect over here.

It seems like such a loss to have all those posts and efforts vanish.
1599  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Who Else Do We Need To Track Down from the GGF? on: October 11, 2004, 04:46:41 AM
A redirect is an excellent idea. Perhaps if we ever hear from the owners there we could get them to set one up for about a month. That should be enough to get even casual GGers over here.
1600  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Have to say this feels like GG forums to me... on: October 11, 2004, 02:55:10 AM
Yeah, this seems like a great board. I'm very sad to see the GG Forums (appear to) go, but this could easily be a new home. smile
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