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401  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Here kitty kitty kitty on: April 13, 2005, 06:35:09 PM
Quote from: "-Lord Ebonstone-"
Quote from: "Enough"
There was a lighthouse keeper who had a cat that unknown to him had been dining on a population of Stephen's Island Wren birds.  The bird would faithfully bring him this same species of bird, but the guy didn't know he was looking at the last members of a species here on earth.  Too bad he didn't find out in time as that one cat single-handily drove the species to extinction (ironically the same year the species was discovered by science!).  The guy felt awful when he found out, but it was too late.  frown

If you have outdoor cats consider a break away collar for safety and get one with a bell on it to help protect the birds.  Our cat's lose their breakaway collars fairly frequently but at least they won't die a painful hanging death someday that can happen with poorly designed collars.
Oh come on.  A species died to another species through normal channels, not human aggression.

It's called natural selection.  Get over it.

Why is it natural selection when a cat is kept artificially alive on an island that a lighthouse is perched on?  And I never called it human aggression, let's not put words in my mouth please.

Secondly it was a human-caused extinction.

Third is this RP at CG?   Tongue

Seriously the feral cat populations and other abandoned pets cause havoc on native ecosystems, this is not contestable.  And imho to do nothing about it is unconscionable.
402  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Here kitty kitty kitty on: April 13, 2005, 06:20:21 PM
There was a lighthouse keeper who had a cat that unknown to him had been dining on a population of Stephen's Island Wren birds.  The bird would faithfully bring him this same species of bird, but the guy didn't know he was looking at the last members of a species here on earth.  Too bad he didn't find out in time as that one cat single-handily drove the species to extinction (ironically the same year the species was discovered by science!).  The guy felt awful when he found out, but it was too late.  frown

If you have outdoor cats consider a break away collar for safety and get one with a bell on it to help protect the birds.  Our cat's lose their breakaway collars fairly frequently but at least they won't die a painful hanging death someday that can happen with poorly designed collars.

Edit to add that dogs can also be a problem so as to not give cats all the bad rep.  In 1987 a single German shepherd abandoned in Waitangi State Forest in New Zealand destroyed the kiwi population there. It killed about 500 of the 900 kiwi in just six months.  And dogs love to cause havoc in penguin colonies, such as the blue penguin colony at Piha Beach, Auckland, which was wiped out by dogs.
403  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Do you post at the Octopus Overlords too ? on: April 13, 2005, 06:08:30 PM
Quote from: "Jancelot"
I like it here.  I like it there.  I don't like it when the jabs are thrown (I've seen it at both sites).

I'm the same, well said.  I do end up posting more at OO but that's because I am one of those evil RPers and EBG freaks (really I don't see the elitism, and I've even seen some RPers change their views over time).  Plus it seems like there are more science-oriented posts on OO, which are typically some of my favorites.    Cool

I really think Ron et al have done a fantastic bang-up job with this site.  CG serves its readers well.   I'm probably one of the only ones who sees it this way but I almost prefer having CG and OO vs. just having GG.  I would take GG in its heyday, but I really feel like both sites benefit from a little friendly competition and the slightly different trajectories of the the two forums.  It ends up creating the best of both worlds for me as the humble reader/poster.     When I've depleted all posts of interest on one forum I can just head on over to the other, which I find most excellent.     Cool
404  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / new audigy 2/audigy 2zs drivers on: April 08, 2005, 08:46:19 PM
Quote from: "Thin_J"
Quote from: "jessie"
i love these drivers because they DONT have all the worthless crap that we normally include smile

Well, I'll give it to you that it didn't install the hundred things the previous drivers I had did, but it certainly did set CTHELPER.EXE to startup with windows again, and that damn thing borks tons of programs on my PC. It messes with Xfire, it freaks out some of my games.. yuck.

Thankfully a quick visit to msconfig fixes that.

Otherwise.. I'm one of the rare ones with no real complaints about Creative. I've never had any issues with the cards themselves, and never had any problems with drivers either until I got an Audigy2ZS and that damned CTHELPER thing showed up.

Msconfig works great, but if you want a really slick way to do it you might consider the Startup Control Panel.  Neat utility I use all the time.
405  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / new audigy 2/audigy 2zs drivers on: April 08, 2005, 12:24:06 AM
Fortunately SP2 has been working fine for me as well.  But I do hear of a number of apps that are having problems with SP2 so I count myself fortunate.

Anyhoo, I wanted to share a little tip on Creative's drivers that might help someone.  When I tried to install the beta drivers it said there was no Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS found, blah blah and wouldn't install the flippin drivers.  I think it's because I got the card with a Dell and I bet it's OEM.  I like the KX Project drivers fine (especially the lack of bloat and better sound quality for music), but I am somewhat seduced by some of the advanced features of the ZS.  I'm not sure if all of those features are fully supported with KX so I have been using the official Creative drivers and wanted to try the betas.

Lo and behold the Creative installer file you download can easily be uncompressed with WinZip, Winrar et al rather than running it as an exe.  So after unzipping it I just opened the device manager and found my sound card and clicked on update driver. I then chose the location to install the driver by clicking on the "have disk" option and pointed it at the unzipped beta driver folder that had the driver files in it.  If you don't know where to look the file should be somewhere around here: C:\SBA2_BETADRV_US_2_05_0000\Drivers\wdm, and you want "wdma_emu.inf."  It worked perfectly for me and updated my card to the new betas and I dig them so far with no problems.  

If you have to do this trick it's probably not a bad idea to do a system restore point or back up your data in case something goes wrong.  And I only know that it worked on my OEM Audigy II ZS, but count me as one happy camper!
406  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Sequel to Eurpoa 1400: The Guild Announced on: April 04, 2005, 10:28:02 PM
Quote from: "Blackadar"
If there's one game I'll illegally pirate just out of spite, this might be it.

I bought the original and liked it quite a bit, but I couldn't get any support, patches took forever and I don't believe they ever did ultimately release a "master" patch in the US.  Then I believe you couldn't get the patch nor the add-on without buying the "Gold" version.  The last time I checked the Gold version had been out 6-9 months and there still wasn't a final patch to the original game.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a slap in the face to all of the legitimate customers.  So they won't get my money the 2nd time around - that I can guarantee.

I hear ya.  I bought the game early in it's lifetime and for that I get rewarded with endless promises for a patch that never come through and then they want us to buy a gold edition just to get a patch?  I have far far to many games in my backlog to give money to these people.  Had they offered decent support though I could see this being a must buy for me given the innovative features.  But as it is I just don't see spending money on a buggy product.  If down the road it is shown to be stable and supported I might reneg when it is much cheaper, but even then I still feel slighted as a customer from the first game.
407  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Very cool Ebay auctions on: March 29, 2005, 11:48:50 PM
I want me a working Daggit dangit!   Tongue
408  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: March 09, 2005, 04:55:19 AM

409  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / OK, time to start our own thread... re: Pinball Machines on: February 15, 2005, 10:10:00 PM
Oh man, how did I miss this thread?  I'm a total pinball geek.  I even have just about every pinball sim that has come out for the PC.   Cool

I also love the Cyclone, it' s unique for the time in that it didn't have multi-ball or loads of other extras.  Just straight up very well designed game play.  My overall favorite though is probably Medieval Madness.  A great, great table.

To all my fellow pinball freaks, if you are ever in Colorado run don't walk to the mother of all pinball halls in the quaint foothills town of Lyons (with 31 tables :shock: ):

Lyons Classic Pinball

Really nice people own it and are always up for a chat on pinball.  They both gave up "normal" careers to live their dream of running a pinball hall.  They also have some old school classic video games as well.  I try to go at least once a month!    biggrin
410  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / My Car Accident - 56K Warning on: November 20, 2004, 12:43:15 AM
Wow, that is one wrecked out car.  You are lucky to have made it through the crash.  Wishing you godspeed in healing up and catching the asshat who ran into you.   So glad that you were not hurt worse!    :shock:
411  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: November 19, 2004, 10:56:12 PM
God I love this one:

412  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: November 19, 2004, 04:58:47 PM

413  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Is there an adapter to convert PC speakers to console? on: November 18, 2004, 04:47:34 PM
Quote from: "Jeff Jones"
I only have xbox and PS2.  

Looking at the connections on the decoder.. why wouldn't it work?

It might work, I don't know for sure.  But I see on the Creative page and the Tom's Hardware review both mention you need 5.1 speakers.  Maybe you could test it to see if you loose a channel of sound or something and return it if it doesn't work out for you?
414  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Is there an adapter to convert PC speakers to console? on: November 17, 2004, 11:53:07 PM
Hey Jeff, sorry about getting you all excited for something that probably will not work for your 4.1 system.  The older Klipsch ProMedia DD-5.1 would work with four speakers.  But when I did a search on Price-Grabber I came up empty.  And it doesn't look like Newegg carries it.   frown

Edit: Also it will not work for a GameCube, Xbox and PS2 only
415  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Is there an adapter to convert PC speakers to console? on: November 17, 2004, 11:20:03 PM
Quote from: "Biyobi"
But aren't your current speakers 4.1s?  The decoder lists 5.1 and up as a requirement.

Ummm that's a very good point.   :shock:

I wasn't even thinking of that because when I looked at it I was only looking to use it with the 5.1 setup I'm getting.  Good call.
416  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Get ready to toss out your Tivos or VCRs if this passes... on: November 17, 2004, 07:51:16 PM
Quote from: "JLu"
Most of this applies to the peer to peer stuff as far as I read from clicking on the link to the amendment in the article.  I couldn't find anything on not being allowed to skip previews/commericals within it.  But I confess after a while my eyes started bleeding from the legalese.  Anyone else read it and find that section?  (Not saying it isn't there, but I could not find it)
Here ya be,

The bill would also permit people to use technology to skip objectionable content -- like a gory or sexually explicit scene -- in films, a right that consumers already have. However, under the proposed language, viewers would not be allowed to use software or devices to skip commericals or promotional announcements "that would otherwise be performed or displayed before, during or after the performance of the motion picture," like the previews on a DVD. The proposed law also includes language from the Pirate Act (S2237), which would permit the Justice Department to file civil lawsuits against alleged copyright infringers.
417  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Is there an adapter to convert PC speakers to console? on: November 17, 2004, 07:39:55 PM
There is a solution if you are willing to buy a decoder.

This one is probably the way to go.  I see it's $95 at NewEgg after a $20 mail in rebate special. Not too bad.  I am getting the Klipsch Ultra 5.1s and am thinking about this to hook up all the av stuff in our family room to them.  Klipsch made one, but it is years older and doesn't seem to be available at the moment at the places I've checked.
418  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / So, who caught the eclipse? on: October 29, 2004, 07:11:12 AM
Very nice pictures everyone.  smile

I took a bunch with my digiscoping setup which is my poor man's afocal maker.  I was using a Nikon Fieldscope III 60mm ED w/a 30x flat field eye piece rigged to a Nikon 4500. Exposures were from 1/30 to 1 sec at 200 to 400 ISO de-noised with the free version of Helicon NoiseFilter. These were taken out in NE Colorado in the Pawnee National Grasslands.

The coyotes started howling right at the eclipse, it was quite the evening. Didn't even realize I was freezing cold until the moon started getting brighter again.   Cool

419  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: October 22, 2004, 05:53:38 PM
Grover is bitter

This one said "I want to smoke illegal drugs" next to it on the guy's LJ slywink

420  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Mozilla Firefox recommendations on: October 15, 2004, 03:38:26 PM
Quote from: "swizzlest"
My extensions:

Single Window
Tab Preferences

^ These two don't seem to work so well with 1.0PR

Close tab on double-click

^ All work great.  smile

Make sure that you uninstall them first but there are working versions for 1.0PR of both.  In fact every extension that I use that came up as incompatible with FF 1.0PR worked again if I just uninstalled and reinstalled them, even if it was the same version.

Single Window: just go to the main FF extensions page and install there once you have uninstalled your old version and restarted your browser.

Tab Preferences: they are adding all kinds of stuff in a new version that you can get a beta build for that is being built for FF 1.0PR (the v 0.9 builds) or you can go with the v 0.6 builds which definitely work for FF 1.0PR (make sure you uninstall any current TB version you have, even if it's the same one if you have upgraded to FF 1.0 PR).   Link

Hope that helps!   thumbsup
421  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / The path is paved with Yellow Lab.... on: October 15, 2004, 03:09:02 AM
Hey DZ, are all of the guide dogs there labs?  My wife would think she's died and gone to heaven if we ever got one around here, she misses her childhood one terribly.  And that's awesome that you get to go have fun in Cali, that's so exciting you are getting a new guide dog!
422  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Mozilla Firefox recommendations on: October 15, 2004, 02:46:56 AM
Quote from: "Jeff Jones"
Quote from: "Eco-Logic"

Can someone tell me why anyone would use the google toolbar plugin for Firefox?

My copy already has a google search bar on the top and a pop-up blocker built in.  Why would I want another google search bar?

There's no reason to have a google toolbar. Also, in firefox, you can just type 'google searchterm' in the address bar to search google. I'd like to get that down to just 'g searchterm' like in Opera, and I think that's doable with an edit somewhere.

I dig the integrated search in FF but still find the Google bar useful.  It has hot keys you can use, specialized search buttons that are also configurable (want to search the University you work at with a click of a button, do a dictionary, news or image search, search stocks?), do any of these searches off of selected text in an article, blogger features, result navigation buttons, gcache searching, site search, translate to English-- the list goes on and on.  Really for most people it is overkill.  But for someone who regularly does more advanced searches it can be real time saver by automating a lot of keystrokes.  Think of it as increased productivity for the geeks.  I love it!   thumbsup
423  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / O'REILLY HIT WITH SEX HARASS SUIT on: October 14, 2004, 07:59:37 PM
Quote from: "Sepiche"
Quote from: "Phouka"
How do you force someone into phone sex?


Well you see, when you have the shear, raw sexual energy of Bill O'Reilly... er... yeah, I have no idea either.


Knowing a women who was on the receiving end of a series of sexually harassing calls I would say short of changing your phone number it can be difficult to stop and can also vouch that it can be quite emotionally devastating for some folks to be on the receiving end of this kind of stuff.  Especially if it's your boss who also happens to be one of the most important people in your field today.  If Bill did what is alleged he should pay the piper, but if not then that really does suck for him.  

The one interesting angle on this I have not seen pursued in this thread much is more of how much she allegedly asked Bill for to make the case go away.  It's not extortion if you ask for someone to settle out of court for an amount that they might get in court anyways, but if the $60 million figure is correct then Bill might have a case for extortion.  I can't imagine a jury giving that level of damages in a case like this, but then unlike many around here I'm no lawyer.  What I am getting at is they both could be right: Bill was sexually harassing her and she attempted to extort an unreasonable settlement out of Bill for the harassment.  Of course none of us know all the facts yet, but if she does indeed have tapes this could be incredibly damaging for Bill.
424  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Mozilla Firefox recommendations on: October 14, 2004, 07:48:53 PM
Quote from: "khomotso"
Oh, I also like Dictionary Search.  Lets me select and right-click a word in a page to have it automatically looked up in in a new tab.  A minor convenience, I suppose, but one of those minor conveniences that makes a difference over the long haul.

I really like that one too.  Other one's similar to this that are great include Google Pagerank status, Google Preview (gives a thumbnail of the webpage next to search results),  Wayback (displays an archived version of the page), and Gcache.  All simple things to do but even simplier with the extensions.  Another one I have not seen mentioned is the User Agent Switcher so if you go to a site that requires IE you can spoof it into thinking your browser is IE.  Doesn't always work but that's what ieview is for.
425  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [P]KERRY/EDWARDS ELECTION DIRECTIVE on: October 14, 2004, 05:31:18 PM
Quote from: "Eco-Logic"
Quote from: "SuperHiro"
I agree, this is despicable.

But to say that the GOP isn't doing this also is pretty naive. Implying that the Dems are the evil party while the GOP is squeaky clean is bizzare logic to say the least. I mean, look at what Tom Delay is getting nailed with now. Holy shit.

You have to accept the fact that most politicians are corrupt. And the current two party system is REALLY corrupt.

It's absolutely ridiculous to think that the GOP is playing this game straight also. Absolutely ridiculous.

I haven't implied anything regarding the GOP.  

I would be more than willing to review evidence you have of the GOP practicing tactics similar to this, or anything else.

Here you go you can review this .  

Found the following links which all seem to point to the same company that is suspected of tearing up Democratic voter registration forms in Las Vegas. It has set up registration drives in Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, West Virginia, Florida and Nevada and is accused of the same things in most if not all of these states.  Sproul & Associates is a Republican consulting firm run by Nathan Sproul, former head of the Arizona Republican party and Arizona Christian Coalition.

Voters Outreach of America AKA America Votes tears up Democratic voter registration forms in Nevada.

Company claiming affiliation with non-partisan 'America Votes' to register voters in Oregon is actually GOP consulting firm Sproul & Associates, Inc.

West Virginia and Pennsylvania:
Sproul & Associates AKA America Votes workers in WV and PA refuse to register Kerry voters.

Democrats in Oregon have complained that canvassers for Arizona based Sproul & Associates have been pressuring residents to register as Republicans so that they can get paid.

Arizona Nader campaign was assisted in its petition drive by an unlikely figure: the ultra-conservative former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party, Nathan Sproul.

About Sproul:
Good background story on Sproul and his political track record, cached on Google.

The link:
Here is the direct link between Sproul and Voters Outreach of America.

According to several sources, two of the contractors Sproul hired to oversee petition gathering for No Taxpayer Money For Politicians -- Aaron "A.J." James, who directs Voters' Outreach of America, and Diane Burns -- were also paid by Sproul to get as many signatures as possible for Nader.

Good stuff, so far. But the reader then asks the key question -- who is paying for these efforts?

The answer?

KLAS-TV, Las Vegas:
"The company has been largely, if not entirely funded, by the Republican National Committee." listing:
Help wanted ad for Voters Outreach of America says "Paid for by the Republican National Committee".
The Republican Party is funding these efforts. The link is direct and unambiguous.

Meanwhile, Bob Johnson has got a diary with more information on this developing scandal. As he says,
[C]ritical is the fact that Sproul and his organization misrepresented themselves to voters as a legitimate, nonpartisan GOTV organization. That is fraud, my friends.
426  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Mozilla Firefox recommendations on: October 14, 2004, 05:25:43 PM
Quote from: "Gryndyl"
Started using Firefox last week both at work and at home. Any extensions y'all would particularyl recommend? There are a whole lot of them to choose from!

Yup, get spellbound LOL!  It really is a good spell checker for forum posts and another good one for forums is BBCode which lets you automate all sorts of things for posting.  Mouse gestures is da bomb as is bugmenot.  Let's see there is also the gmail notifier and the open in ie view ones that I use regularly.  And the Google toolbar is quite handy.  There's more I use but these are all basic requirements for myself.  Have at it!     biggrin
427  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / First CG PC Review! - Kohan II on: October 13, 2004, 10:21:58 PM
Thank you for your review!  I have been wanting more impressions on this game.  I'm trying to decide between it and Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War.  That is after I buy Rome: TW, that one is a definite buy for me.

And Simon, nice to see you!   biggrin
428  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / O'REILLY HIT WITH SEX HARASS SUIT on: October 13, 2004, 10:16:16 PM
Quote from: "SuperHiro"
Why would the DNC attack O'Reilly? Hasn't he actually been ripping the administration over the war/occupation?

If the DNC needed to take someone down over there I'd aim for Hannity.

Nah, I would have them take on Fox's chief political correspondent and lead reporter on the Kerry beat: Carl Cameron.  Talk about the oxymoronic use of Fair & Balanced.  Cameron is the guy who's wife has done campaign work for Bush, is featured prominently in OutFoxed brown-nosing Bush and then just recently got busted for posting a fictitious story including fabricated quotes by Kerry that clearly revealed he has no ability to cover Kerry as a decent journalist, nor any right to be their chief political correspondent (it was a satirical piece that somehow "accidentally" got posted to the Fox website).  CNN and the SF Chron have both kept reporters off of their political beats for minor involvement with Dems that pales in comparison to Cameron's overt partisan cheer leading for the Bush camp.

Oh and SuperHiro is mostly right.  Bill hasn't been pimping the Bush admin lately, if anything he has had some negative things to say about them recently.  Not that it makes me like the guy any better, LOL.   Tongue
429  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Any GG forum regulars that have not yet been spotted here? on: October 13, 2004, 06:00:48 PM
Quote from: "Lordnine"
Nine has been knighted!

No one contacted me to tell me what happened.  I felt so alone!  And I posted a lot!  I think I had about a thousand posts…
Don't take it personally.  I think we had something like 800 Lord somethings on the forum, hard to keep you all straight.    thumbsup
430  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Beer - best and worst? on: October 13, 2004, 05:31:47 PM
Quote from: "Siljanus"
I don't know if this was listed but one of the most interesting and tasty beers I've had was this:

Trappist monks.  They brew some good brew!

If you like Chimay you might like this:

or this one (the special release Grand Cru is one of the best beers I have ever had if you can find it, and their normal Abbey is good too):

Everyone knows New Belgium for their Fat Tire which is ok, but imho these beers are their best by far.
431  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 13, 2004, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: "th'FOOL"
The Classic :

In terms of pinball history yes.  But there is no match for the goodness that is Medieval Madness in terms of playability and enjoyment.  Have you played it?
432  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 13, 2004, 04:50:28 PM
Quote from: "Tscott"
Quote from: "Knightshade Dragon"

What is   paranoid
You know, Timeshock. Creep Night.  Balls of Steel.

Oh wait, forgot where I was... uh, Mario Pinball Land? :wink:
Ok now this forum is after my own heart.  I love both irl Pinball (Medieval Madness best table ever; think Python meets the silver ball) and PC/Sim Pinball (ProPinball best series ever).  My how I like how this conversation has turned.  

433  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Day 4 without Pepsi... on: October 13, 2004, 04:46:03 PM
Good luck KD!   thumbsup

One of my best friends has MS and was the hugest Pepsi addict in existence.  The amount of soda he would put down is frightening.  Since being diagnosed with MS he decided to quit for his health and managed to do it.  If he can do you it, you can too!  And if it helps he has actually been told by a doctor that the insane amounts of Pepsi may have been a factor with him getting MS and that he was lucky to not be a diabetic.  Best of luck, it's an admirable goal.  Now where did I put my coffee?   :twisted:
434  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Need some DMV and California law related advice. on: October 12, 2004, 10:33:33 PM
Please tell me that she at least removed her plates off of the car?
435  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / So where did you go for your Honeymoon? on: October 12, 2004, 10:24:56 PM
Honeymoon, what honeymoon?   biggrin

Actually we got to live out of our tent in the beautiful Colorado Rockies that entire summer, so I'm not complaining!
436  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 10:15:21 PM
Quote from: "SuperHiro"
Sometimes reading through the R&P forum was like eating shit trying to find the tasty bits of corn.

I can clearly see now how the no-RP rule will ensure all abrasive and hurtful posts are avoided.
437  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / The Skinny on Rich (and Gonegold somewhat) SEE 1ST POST EDIT on: October 12, 2004, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: "Tareeq"
Quote from: "D'Arcy"
Quote from: "RunningMn9"
I've been assuming that we gave that right up when we stored them on someone else's property.

Well, I'm not a lawyer either, but I play one on Internet forums, and I'm pretty sure that, while you certainly grant the owner of a forum copyright by posting there, you also retain it yourself. Why wouldn't you? Waiving it is a major loss, and you don't get compensated for it.

Place this in your sig, if it worries you:

Copyright 2004, D'Arcy, all rights reserved.

Yup that's what I do with all of my reports I create for clients here at work.  We checked it out with lawyers and everything!   thumbsup   :mrgreen:
438  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 09:53:59 PM
Quote from: "rrmorton"
No need for this to turn surly. We're capable of mature disagreement. (hinthint) People have unanimously granted that they respect the decision. We're just taking the opportunity to express our feelings on the issue.

I'm pretty shocked by how many people gladly accept being told not to discuss politics or religion. But then again, nobody votes or goes to church so I don't know why I'd find it surprising. biggrin
Good god ain't that the truth.   smoke
439  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / R&P Decision on: October 12, 2004, 09:52:38 PM

The most heated conversations I ever saw on GG typically involved games: which one is the best, why that one sucks, etc.  The heat comes not from the subject matter being discussed but more from the passion of those involved.  Most of us join a gaming site because we are passionate about our gaming which helps to elucidate why the most heated posts can often be found in topics dealing with gaming.  

I believe the strength or lack of strength of a community determines how well a forum recovers from such trials and tribulations.  I know that the community of CG is plenty strong enough to handle things like this when they crop up in a gaming post or with an RP topic, heck I already know most of you.  It saddens me that the decision to bar RP topics has been made, but that's for the site's owners and not for the community to decide.  I respectfully disagree with the choice but fully accept it as what you feel best for your site and will honor your rules to the best of my ability when visiting here.  

I guess that's just it, I've set up a really unfair criteria for CG.  GG was home, it was a place I could kick my shoes off and talk about anything of import to me.  It was dang near family.  Here I am asked to please remove my shoes at the door so I don't soil the white carpet.  I can do that and will, but just as when I visit my friend's white carpet laden house, I am not certain I will ever fully feel at home here.  I don't mean this as a pissy thing to say in the least, I still regularly pay my friend a visit at their house, rules and all.  

/rant off

CG seems like an amazing community and I'm sure it will continue to be a success sans-RP and feel just like home for many of you.  I look forward to regularly visiting.   ninja
440  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / EVERYONE READ PLEASE on: October 12, 2004, 06:33:51 PM
Quote from: "Exodor"
Console Gold was here before us GG refugees migrated here.  While I want a P&R forum, this is their baby and they can do with it as they wish.

I loved GG because I could discuss virtually any subject I wished with a group of intelligent, articulate people, some of whom I came to know as friends.  

Console Gold is not GG.  It's a great place, and the mods have been very welcoming - but this is THEIR community that we are chosing to join.  If they wish to ban P&R, that's their decision.  I will likely migrate elsewhere in that case, but I respect their right to police their forums as they wish.

 I pretty much go along with Exodor.  This isn't GG's community, but it sure is a nice one.  That said I feel I benefit from more serious conversations as well and would like to be able to discuss RP, but ultimately that is up to the CG crew to decide on.   In the meantime it's been cathartic to hang in the CG forums and process this stuff with the old GG community.  I really can't thank the CG staff enough for being as welcoming as they have.  

At this point if the decision was made to allow RP conversations at CG I almost have to believe that would almost instantly ensure much of the GG refugee community would stay put right here.  However if staff decides they don't want RP on their forums I would expect the community to continue to fracture onto other sites/forums around the net that better meet their needs.  It also may be that our former GG mods will manage to throw together a viable alternative that would make the majority of GG refugees happy and at the same time could help take the pressure off of CG to suddenly have to embrace PC game talk, RP forums, etc.  

Either way I am sure to visit CG at least somewhat regularly now given the professionalism and maturity the site seems to be run with, and also due to the same friendly feel that pervades here which I grew so accustomed to in GG days of yore.  I really enjoy this community and am sure to keep posting in some form.  

But without RP I can't promise I would be a steady contributor on the forums.  Like Exodor one of my favorite things about GG was the ability to discuss virtually any subject with a group of intelligent, articulate people.  The amount of time and thought people put into their RP posts on GG was a unique part of that experience.  And then at the end of the day the two guys who were engaged in a tit for tat debate are trading jokes on EBG or sharing PC game tips.  I rarely if ever have seen RP debates carry over tension into say a PC Games by Title discussion.  Some of my closest friends in RP provided strongly different opinions than my own, but via our exchanges in RP on those topics I feel all parties were able to strengthen their understanding of the underlying issues and come to better understand their own beliefs.

I will say that the perceived animosity caused by RP may be more illusion than real.  Since GG went down I have received multiple supportive emails from former GG RPers that often held and expressed views entirely opposite of mine, yet our friendships have grown stronger thanks to our RP debates.  All involved end up learning more about each others's views and are exposed to knowledge that may be new to them.  I definitely have learned a great deal in our reflexive RP convos both about my own views and others.   I've seen some say they might not even post here if a separate forum was created for RP, yet I have seen these same folks post on QT3 where there is already such a forum.   I realize these sorts of deep convos are not for everyone, but to many of us they were among the biggest draws on the GG forums.
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