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2441  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Issue at work on: November 08, 2004, 03:22:28 AM
This is my first full-time job  so I'm not completely up on job politics etc.  I do know that my boss and the compliance officer do not have any history at all.  in fact, he just took over as our new compliance guy in July and it's his first time doing the job so he's eager to please his boss.  My boss is already on probation for some type of compliance error so it could be ugly.

I really do appreciate all the insight.  You all have made me think about the whole situation differently.  I'm going to get my job hunting shoes and and see I can find another salary paying job for a fully licensed candidate with experience in the field.  I have no desire to sell right now as consistent income is the most important thing for me now that i'm going to be married soon.  

Part of me wants the compliance thing to bite her in the ass now, which would pretty much prove me email correct.  I'm not going to try and change anything though.  I'll just save the emails I've sent over the last few months addressing the various issues so come the time for the annual review I will have evidence that I tried to do something.  

I will definitely let you all know what happens.  Thanks again!
2442  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Issue at work on: November 07, 2004, 04:13:50 AM
Well, we don't have a PR department.  Her pratice consists of her, the Senior Financial Advisor, me the Investment Analyst and Trader, a Financial Analyst (who does the plans), a Marketing Director/Business Manager (who showed the email), and an intern.  

My bosse's "Boss", is basically the Compliance officer and the market group vice president.  My bosses annual review is coming up any day now and she has blank signed documents in client files which has led to many advisor throughout the country being fired.  If she's fired, we're all fired.  

I have decided that I am going to call some other offices around town and see if anyone is in need of licensed help.  If I find some offices that are in need I probably wouldn't have a hard time getting a job with them since I already know the system and they wouldn't have any expenses since I'm already full licensed.  

My fiance is pissed at my boss now too since she keeps on bringing up the wedding as if it's affecting my performance.  It hasn't at all and I know that for sure.  

Anyway, I will keep you all updated on what goes down.  Thanks for all the insight.
2443  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / I Played HALO 2 for an Hour in Multiplayer (No Spoilers) on: November 07, 2004, 04:02:05 AM
Quote from: "Turtle"
Are vehicles, like the warthog and tank, destructable now?  As in, can they blow up when they take enough damage?

Oh and if this is so, did they remove the stupid system where vehicle damage is transferred to its riders?

The vehicles are completely destructable.  I don't know on the other question you asked about because I Was just playing multiplayer by myself and didn't get a chance to check it out.  I had  a blast trying to launch a warthog as high as I could.  It's so awesome seeing the tires fly off as well.  

Can't wait for the real version ! smile
2444  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Crimson Skies? on: November 05, 2004, 05:30:08 PM
We certainly had some fun matches.

I traded in CS though, so I'm out frown
2445  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / CG ESPN Football League Week 6 Underway. on: November 05, 2004, 05:27:21 PM
Quote from: "stiffler"
Quote from: "Eco-Logic"
Can you play right now?  Let me know.  

I won't be able to play this weekend.  

Possibly Sunday night at 10 EST, but Monday may be better.

Let me know.

Sorry, gotta go to bed soon since I have to be up at 6AM.

Let's plan on Monday then.  Regardless of what I have going on I will make the time!  Have a great weekend.

Sounds good.  Monday, at around 10:00 EST or so ok?
2446  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / 2Pac - Loyal to the Game track downloads on: November 05, 2004, 05:18:04 PM
How is Tupac still releasing albums?  I don't get it.
2447  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Issue at work on: November 05, 2004, 04:54:33 PM
Quote from: "Sepiche"
Honestly it sounds like you just need to sit down with your boss and let her know where you're coming from.  I mean... you only sent something to your business manager in her best interest in the first place... you were worried about her performance and how it also can reflect poorly on you.  If she can't see that she doesn't deserve a good employee.

Especially if your boss is worried about losing you I think you would have enough bargaining power to sit your boss down and try to get her to start doing her job more.  Use whatever you can as leveage and try to convince her you're only looking out for her interests.

If it goes for a few months and she doesn't improve.  Walk.  Even if you plan on coming back, chances are she won't call your bluff if you're a good employee.

It doesn't sound like they are trying to get rid of you, but it does sound like it could end up that way if you don't talk it out with your boss.

Hope that helps some...

Thanks Sepiche, I think I'll see if she wants to go to lunch next week to discuss some things.  I appreciate the advice.
2448  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / New EGM Scores (Careful...some Halo 2 SPOILERS within) on: November 05, 2004, 02:38:21 PM
Quote from: "Kevin Grey"
You Bastard Trying to steal my thread!!!! smile

Though I only mentioned the reviews of the big five in my thread (MGS 3, Halo 2, MP2, GTA, R&C 3)

I didn't see your thread and it didn't have EGM in the title smile
2449  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / New EGM Scores (Careful...some Halo 2 SPOILERS within) on: November 05, 2004, 02:26:43 PM
Thanks to vireland(confirmed by ferricide(EGM staff)) and skip(EGM staff)

MGS 3 9, 9.5, 10
NFSU 2 8, 9, 8
GTA:SA 10,10,10 (GOTM)
Halo 2 10,10,10 (GOTM)
MP:2 9, 9, 10
Killzone 7, 7.5, 8
Mario tennis 9, 7.5, 8
Outrun 2 6, 6.5, 8
Baten Kaitos 6.5, 8, 7.5
FIGHT CLUB 2.5, 3.0, 2.0
Growlanser Generations 7,7,8

And yes, these are confirmed by EGM staffers themeseleves so don't ask for scans or stuff.

He's from GAF(gaming age)
you can look at page 6 on that thread if have to see for yourself.

Plus there is thread where I collected all the info and put it out, and then EGM staffers put out some other
scores from the month.

2450  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / CG ESPN Football League Week 6 Underway. on: November 05, 2004, 04:14:11 AM
Quote from: "stiffler"
Quote from: "Eco-Logic"
Stiffler, let me know when you can play.

I can play tonight around 10 or 10:30 EST.

Sorry to miss you.  How does Friday sound?  Then again, maybe you have a life or something... If not, we can try for something this weekend, perhaps?  If we can't meet then hopefully we can get it done Monday!

Can you play right now?  Let me know.  

I won't be able to play this weekend.  

Possibly Sunday night at 10 EST, but Monday may be better.

Let me know.
2451  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / doom 3 on xbox on: November 05, 2004, 12:35:32 AM
Quote from: "Glycerine"
Quote from: "Eco-Logic"
I'm was waiting on it, until I played the pc version.

It's one of the most overhyped games I have played in a long time.  The graphics were fantastic, but the environments were all too dark and the fact that you can't hold a flashlight and a gun at the same time made me have no desire to play it any further.

Translation:  He kept getting killed because it's too damn dark so he evetually decided to just give up and quit in frustration.

Honestly, I didn't get stuck, I just got tired of it and gave up.
2452  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Issue at work on: November 05, 2004, 12:30:24 AM
Quote from: "gameoverman"
Sounds like they screwed up the seminar thing and just wanted you to say 'sorry, won't happen again' so they could pretend it was your fault.

The email though, I wouldn't advise anyone to be critical of their boss in an email, unless they didn't care if their boss saw it or not.

Yea, very good point.

The reason for me going to the business manager first is because she pushes my boss harder than any of us and my boss listens to her more as well. Having nothing to do with the financial planning process, she isn't as up on the situation so my thought was I would explain to her how serious the situation is/will become and what I think would be the best method to fix it. I've gone to my boss on my own about it before and nothing changed. My co-worker has as well as I said earlier. The business manager hasn't ever talked to the boss about it and being the one who takes care of the scheduling and talks to her the most it seemed logical.

I stand behind everything I said in the email. I obviously wouldn't have worded it that way if I had know the boss would read it. Do you think the email is really bad? (wording)
2453  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Issue at work on: November 05, 2004, 12:09:02 AM
Quote from: "Daehawk"
Maybe you need a lawyer. Sounds like they are working to make you lose your job because they are losers.


I hadn't thought of anything like that.

It's just discouraging because I'm good at my job (which can be measured easily otherwise I wouldn't say it) and like it.  I don't think my boss wants me to leave at all.  In fact, I think she is scared she is going to lose me.
2454  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Issue at work on: November 04, 2004, 10:57:15 PM
I'm in the Financial Services industry as some of you may know, working for an Advisor with over 400 clients.  One of the main products we sell is an Annual Financial Plan.  We charge anywhere from $700 to $11,500 for them and to stay compliant we have a time frame for when the plans need to be delivered of 1 year after payment.  For one, that time frame is extremely high already.  The problem I am having is that my Boss tends to procrastinate on things and sometimes she even lets the plans slip past the 1 year date.  Which is crazy.  A bulk of the work is complete by me and a coworker normally within a few weeks of receiving payment, with the only thing left to do is for her to review a draft and make any changes so we can print the final copy. (one hour work at the most).  We have all these undelivered plans stacking up in my coworkers office, basically complete, just waiting on the final touches by my boss.  My coworker has talked to her about it a few times and nothing has changed.  In the meantime, business is booming and we are having a contest to sell 20 plans between Sept - the end of Nov-, and we're about to hit 20.  20 new plans...  Not only do we risk punishment from our compliance officer, but we also risk losing the clients.

So, I took it upon myself to email the business manager my concern.  The reason I emailed the business manager is because she acts as the go-between and is in charge of keeping the calendar for my boss.  I suggestion to her was to recommend to my boss to allow her to schedule one whole week for my boss to do nothing but deliver plans.  Reasonable request, right?  The email was to the business manager, who has always been big on trust and what is talked about between us stays between us.  So, here is the email I wrote.

Biz Mgr,

I don't know if you realize or not, but Boss not delivering plans on time, sometimes up to over 1 whole year late is a big deal and we should do whatever it takes to fix it.  It's going to bite her in the butt if we don't light a fire under her to take care of things.  [Compliance Officer] is going to be on her case about it once he realizes how many are late.  Here we are getting close to 20 new plans (yay!), and we still have a huge number of old, paid for plans to deliver.  Personally, If I was a client who had paid $1,200 or whatever for a plan and it was over a week late, I would get completely out.  Over a year late is completely ridiculous and has honestly made me question some decisions I have to make in the future.  I recommend to you, that you get a week in the future where there aren't many appointments and schedule it solely for [boss] to work on and complete the plans that [cowworker] has finished so that we can deliver them.  If she has a problem with it I would love to speak with her one on one about it.  I almost think she has let the fog and excitement of bringing in over 50 clients this year cloud her judgement and take her eye off her ultimate responsibility, client service.  It's always been this way though so it will be a hard thing to change.  Please let me know what you think.  I will probably talk to her about it as well as it's a really big deal and should be on every one of our lists of things to accomplish as soon as possible.  Thanks.


After receiving the email, she left for the day and called my boss and told her about it.  My boss called me and I explained my concern to her over the phone, and she bullshat me about the reasons and we hung up.  I found out today that my boss asked the business mgr. to see the email and the business mgr gave it to her.

This same manager has talked to me about my boss on various occasions (think venting sessions), where nothing leaves the conversation.  I stand completely by everything I said in the email above but it wasn't worded for my boss and it pisses me off that she showed her.  

What do you all think?  

Now, onto the second issue I have had lately.  I got a call yesterday morning at 6:00 AM from the business manager.  She asked me if I was on my way to a business in town [name excluded] to help my boss setup for a seminar she was doing that morning.  I told her I hadn't ever been told that I need to help my boss setup for the seminar so no, I was still in bed.  She said she told me the day before which is absolutely not true.  She told me when she told me and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that she never told me.  She then asked if I could quickly get dressed and go to the business to help her setup.  So, I did, and halfway there I checked my voicemail and there was a message from my boss telling me she found someone to help her  (setting up a projector and laptop for a powerpoint pres) and she would talk to me when she got to work.  Oh joy..

So when she got back from the seminar I went into her office and apologized for any confusion this morning.  She went on and said she has too small a practice for things like this to happen and that she told me about it yesterday bla bla bla.  I talked to her for 5 minutes the day before and the only thing she said to me had to do with the case we were working on at the time and later in the day she said see you tomorrow.  That is all.  Period.  I told her that she didn't tell me to be there and neither did the business manager and to tell me a time when I've ever not shown up to something she told me to be at.  She then said " Well I know you're really excited about your engagement and wedding and you were probably keeping up with the election yesterday but this isn't acceptable".  I just about flipped.  I almost bit a hole in my lip.  Of course I'm happy about my wedding and I did keep up with the election, but that has nothing to do with you dropping the freaking ball and not letting me know I needed to be there.  If I normally go to every single seminar that would be one thing, but I don't at all.  In fact I haven't setup for one in 3 or 4 months.  How the hell was I supposed to know.  I didn't say anything, turned around closed her door, went into my office and shut the door for 2 hours to try and cool off (while working of course).  

I just thank God that I didn't say something I would regret and lose my job.  I hope more than anything that she never brings it up to me again because I don't know if I can hold it in.  

BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :x  :evil:
2455  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / CG ESPN Football League Week 6 Underway. on: November 04, 2004, 07:13:30 PM
Stiffler, let me know when you can play.

I can play tonight around 10 or 10:30 EST.
2456  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / doom 3 on xbox on: November 04, 2004, 02:09:14 PM
I'm was waiting on it, until I played the pc version.

It's one of the most overhyped games I have played in a long time.  The graphics were fantastic, but the environments were all too dark and the fact that you can't hold a flashlight and a gun at the same time made me have no desire to play it any further.
2457  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Kerry concedes on: November 03, 2004, 10:38:25 PM
The petty insults do nothing but make you all look like whiney babies.
2458  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Kerry concedes on: November 03, 2004, 05:57:26 PM
LOL Falator, you're more than welcome to visit and search the old posts where everything you talk about was discussed in full.

Hetz, glad to see you're still kicking, you should report in to your "Conservatives are Shocked" thread over at R&P, they have some tar and feathers ready for you.

  I don't want a theocracy, I do want a more conservative country both socially and fiscally, and that appears to be the case.
2459  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Kerry concedes on: November 03, 2004, 05:14:03 PM
Thank goodness! smile  

Tough race all around and I wish the best to Kerry supporters.

I'm personally couldn't be happier with the win and the overall direction it appears the country is leaning. smile
2460  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Kate Hudson. Wow. [56k] on: November 02, 2004, 05:57:17 AM
She is hot.
2461  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ESPN CG Football League. Week 5 Has Begun !!! on: November 02, 2004, 03:45:37 AM
Quote from: "stiffler"
I looked at the league, and there is one game left to be played.  They have until 11/4 to play it so that the week can be advanced.

Well, heck, I will still be on in 1 minute if you want to play a non-league game.
2462  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / I Popped the Question on: November 02, 2004, 03:25:03 AM
Quote from: "Purge"
Gratz buddy smile

So, um, I guess you won't have time to play. 'stoo bad, I was lookin' forward to stickin' ya in Halo2. frown

I'm still planning on kicking you around in Halo 2.  She actually asked me a few days ago, she said "Are you going to be playing that game all night", I was like what?  She said that game you already paid for, lol.  Her best friend told her that her husband was going to take off work and be up all night.  

So yea, I will still have some time slywink
2463  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ESPN CG Football League. Week 5 Has Begun !!! on: November 02, 2004, 03:22:04 AM
Heya stiff, I don't know if we can play or not.  I would like to as well if we can.  If you want, we could meet in the lobby in about 20 minutes and see.  Let me know.
2464  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / I Popped the Question on: November 01, 2004, 07:57:53 PM
Thanks you 2 smile
2465  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / I Popped the Question on: November 01, 2004, 07:48:44 PM
So, last Sunday my girlfriend and I went to this national park just south of us, in North Gerogia for the day.  Little did she know that I had an engagement ring in my pocket and had spoken to her Father earlier in the day.  

We were hiking near this beautiful stream and we stopped for a while and were hugging and I did it!  My heart was beating out of my chest but I managed to get the words out.  She said yes, thank goodness, and we quickly realized we were both so excited we didn't know what else to do at the park so we went home to tell everyone.  

We set the date for April 2, 2005.  5 months from now!  We've frantically been trying to get things organized and planned.  I imagine these next 5 months are going to be the most hectic ever, but it's worth it.  

Anyway, just wanted to share the news with you all smile

*We've actually been together for a total of 6 years, November 7th.  We were together for 4 and a half, broke up for 1 year, got back together a year and a half ago.
2466  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / October Surprise (I'm a Dad!) on: November 01, 2004, 07:41:23 PM
Awesome news man, glad they're doing well smile
2467  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ESPN CG Football League. Week 5 Has Begun !!! on: November 01, 2004, 06:01:00 PM
Stiffler, check out the message board also.

Wed. night around 10:15 - 10:30 EST is probably best for me.  Tomorrow night I'll be busy watching the election.  

I might could play tonight around 10:30 EST if you're up to it.  Let me know ASAP!  [smile]
2468  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Killzone IGN Review on: October 31, 2004, 02:54:54 PM
LOL @ supposed "Halo Killer".

I also played the demo and wasn't impressed at all.
2469  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Mel Gibson.....idiot on: October 31, 2004, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: "Lee"
I am pretty tired of actors using their fame to express personal beliefs. They are people just like you and I and are no more deserving to a soap box than any of us. Entertain me, screw off if you want to express your religious or political beliefs to me.

I don't understand that idea at all.  If thereis an audience for your personal beliefs than why shouldn't you create something that audience will embrace?    There is no reason he shouldn't have made the movie.  He financed it himself...  I personally hope he makes more Christian movies, such as Job, The Gospels etc.
2470  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Network/Workgroup Password Help on: October 29, 2004, 09:43:08 PM
Thanks Purge, I'm about to get off work but I have bookmarked this and will return to it on Monday.  Awesome info smile
2471  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [p] Is Bush really better at the war on terror on: October 29, 2004, 06:38:25 PM
Quote from: "Graham",2933,137017,00.html

(Couldn't find it on CNN, they must not be fast enough.)

A U.S. Army officer came forward Friday to say a team from his 3rd Infantry Division took about 250 tons of munitions and other material from the Al-Qaqaa arms-storage facility soon after Saddam Hussein's regime fell in April 2003.

Explosives were part of the load taken by the team, but Major Austin Pearson was unable to say what percentage they accounted for.

The Pentagon believes the disclosure helps explain what happened to 377 tons of high explosives that the International Atomic Energy Agency said disappeared after the U.S.-led invasion.

Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita acknowledged the Defense Department did not have all the answers and could not yet account for all of the missing explosives, but stressed that the major's disclosure was a significant development in unraveling the mystery.

"We've described what we know, and as we know more we'll describe that," said DiRita.

Pearson, accompanied by DiRita, appeared at a Pentagon news conference and said his team's mission in April 2003 was to clear material from the Al-Qaqaa facility in order to secure it for U.S. forces. He admitted he was not an explosives expert.

The IAEA reported the disappearance of the explosives to the United Nations on Monday, suggesting they had fallen into the hands of looters after American troops had swept through the area.

Here is the arms report.

Sounds like Kerry has taken out any reference to these weapons from his speaches and out of his web page.  Kerry has ended up having egg on his face.

Indeed, and a bullet in his foot.
2472  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Scaler ain't half bad on: October 29, 2004, 05:11:55 PM
It's looks beautiful as well.
2473  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [p] Is Bush really better at the war on terror on: October 29, 2004, 04:29:20 PM
New on Drudge:

FLASH 10.29.04 11:36:56 ET /// Soldier to brief reporters at Pentagon within the hour that he was tasked with removing explosives from al QaQaa and he and his unit removed 200+ tons... Officer was ordered to join the 101st airborne on April 13 -- to destroy conventional explosives at the al QaQaa complex... Developing...

2474  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [p] Is Bush really better at the war on terror on: October 29, 2004, 04:00:37 PM
I read him to.  He and Kerry are both full of caca to be running with a story that doesn't hold water.  

Kerry's moved onto Haliburton today, surprise surprise.  :roll:
2475  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [p] Is Bush really better at the war on terror on: October 29, 2004, 03:49:05 PM
You buy that lost explosive bullshit?  Even though there isn't a shred of evidence.  

Whatever, I'm done with this for the rest of the week.  I have a head ache and am sleepy so I think I'll shut my office door and get some shut eye. slywink
2476  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [p] Is Bush really better at the war on terror on: October 29, 2004, 01:46:40 PM
You should seriously watch Farenhype 9/11.

I'll be glad when next week is over with, my blood pressure is running pretty high lately.
2477  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [p] Is Bush really better at the war on terror on: October 28, 2004, 09:52:13 PM
Quote from: "aussie77"

1) The job in Afghanistan was never finished. Whatever you might say, Bush pulled the majority of troops out of Afghanistan prematurely before the country was secure in order to invade Iraq. He did this despite his own CIA saying at the time that Saddam was not an immediate threat to the U.S. I cannot quote exactly the words, but their comments were something to the effect of "If Iraq does hold weapons of mass destruction, they are unlikely to use them unless attacked."

I don't agree.

Quote from: "General Tommy Franks"
Neither attention nor manpower was diverted from Afghanistan to Iraq. When we started Operation Iraqi Freedom, we had about 9,500 troops in Afghanistan, and by the time we finished major combat operations in Iraq last May, we had more than 10,000 troops in Afghanistan.

It's also a fact that our intelligence agency wasn't the only one giving us intel which lead to the invasion.  Bush in no way intentionally misled us.

Ultimately though, the UN had a responsibility to uphold their resolution and didn't and that alone was reason enough to invade.  

2) The invasion of Iraq. I could have forgiven the Iraqi invasion if a couple of things had taken place. The first being that Afghanistan were properly secured and the job there completed first. It wasn't. The second thing being that there be a comprehensive plan of action of how to deal with the occupation of Iraq once the invasion was complete. I don't care how partisan you are or how often you watch Fox news, NOBODY can say that the occupation of Iraq was properly planned.

Now yes you have now made Iraq the centerpiece of the 'war on terror', but that isn't necessarily as good of a thing as you might think. I mean consider it for a moment. The U.S's borders are at least moderately secure. Within the U.S, your intelligence gathering abilities are a thousandfold greater than in Iraq.

In comparison Iraq is a sieve. People cross the borders practically at will, which is part of the reason you have these incredibly large numbers of terrorists in the country right now causing all this trouble. You have poor intelligence. You have limited manpower, with limited logistics. In other words, you have presented your weakest front to the enemy at their strongest point. That's like having the better football team, but isntead of playing them out on the field sending your *kicker* into their locker room before the game to piss on their lockers. All you've done is make everyone really really angry, and you're not at your strongest to fight them.

So sure, you have americans dying every day in Iraq instead of americans dying here in the U.S. But ask yourself this: how effectively do you really think the terrorists could bring the fight over here? They have to come halfway around the world, find their way into the country somehow, plan, prepare and then execute. All of this at their weakest, with you at your strongest. Imagine too if those soldiers in iraq were instead back here shoring up the borders instead of being shooting gallery ducks in iraq. Wonder how many americans would be dead from the terrorists in the last year and a half then? A lot less than you have now I'd be willing to bet a whole lot of money. Because let's not forget that 9/11 was the last terrorist attack on U.S soil. You can sure bet they had opportunity before the troops landed in Afghanistan, but they didn't strike a second time. They probably have opportunity now but they aren't striking. Why would they when they can go to their own freaking locker and beat the shit out of your kicker? Except over there, random people from the stands who would otherwise be staying out of the game are joining in for the hell of it.

Anyways, my point is there is a reason that support for the U.S is waning around the world. It isn't because the french are a bunch of pansies who are afraid to fight. If you take a look around, the populations of the U.S two most stalwart allies, Brittain and Australia, are against what is happening. And both those countries are democracies. If you think their leaderships will continue to support Bush's efforts forever you're mistaken.

Now I'm not going to pretend that everything I have said here is 100% correct. I am sure I've made an error or two along the way. But I seriously challenge you to stop, take a deep breath, forget the partison rhetoric for a moment and read what I wrote with an open mind. If you can't see even ONE valid point in what I've written then I don't fruitful political discussion is even possible.

As I said, I feel the War in Iraq is a just war.  I'm sure we can agree to disagree on that.  I do agree that we were not as prepared for Iraq, after the fall of Saddam as we should have been.  

It's 10 minutes till closing time at work and I have to lock up so I have to go, I will try and add more thoughts later smile

*oh, by the way, I think we get along ok, we just don't agree smile
2478  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [P] An Open Letter to Libertarians on: October 28, 2004, 09:33:34 PM
Quote from: "SuperHiro"
I find it disturbing that you didn't find the fact that an article calling democrats a bunch of anti-semites distressing.

How can that article possibly generate any sort of friendly debate with that kind of hateful rhetoric?

Edited to add:
I also find it disturbing that you only said "I don't believe in that stuff... but he makes good points" after it was pointed out.

This stuff can be avoided rather easily by saying

"Yeah he makes a lot of crazy attacks, but there's a few tasty nuggets of corn in that shit."

Point taken smile

That is basically the only paragraph I have an issue with though.


He makes a lot of unfounded attacks, but here are the passages I believe in.
2479  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [P] An Open Letter to Libertarians on: October 28, 2004, 09:23:50 PM
Quote from: "aussie77"
Quote from: "Eco-Logic"
Which I'm sure you realize you started.  

Whatever though, this is silly.

Check again bucko. I did a regular smiley face. You were the one who started with the rolleyes! Nice try though you communist bastard biggrin

(For the humor impaired, this was not a serious post!)

Ah, but when I posted the first one it was 100% appropriate.  See below:

Quote from: "aussie77"
As was pointed out when you posted this over at OO Eco, all evidence suggests that John Hospers in fact had absolutely nothing to do with this letter. Which I guess shows that you really are just posting any random crap you find on the internet that supports your cause biggrin

Yea, cause I knew it wasn't actually written by John Hospers when I wrote it... :roll:
2480  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [p] Is Bush really better at the war on terror on: October 28, 2004, 08:25:46 PM
Quote from: "Sepiche"

We're continuously going after them though. How do you figure Bush's war is one dimensional when he promises to go after the terrorists wherever they are?

That's only one dimension.  Going after the terrorists is well and good, but at what point do we recognize what turns a young man into a terrorist and actually try to attack that problem?  That is what needs to be a focus, not perpetuating the violence, but finding a way to end it.


How can you fault a President for not disrupting the terrorists enough, when as a country we've never fought a war like this.

Hmm... a war started under questionable circumstances, against a well equiped, well motivated group of ideological guerillas.  Hmm, yeah, I can't think of any past wars in southeast Asia that sound like that. smile  While war against large groups of muslim terrorists is new, clandestine wars against insurgents have been going on since the beginning of time.


Do you honestly think that if Clinton were in power right now we would have caught/killed more terrorists? Do you think the military tactics would change?

My point is that is irrelevent.  It doesn't matter how many more we kill under any president.  That's not going to win this "war".


And Bush has made it clear that he understand the threat, and that this is a war that will take a long time to win.  I don't think dimplomacy is even an option in this war as it's their hatred that has been around sine the beginning of time.

Falator, no sane person should believe that Bush intentionally mislead anyone.  The simple fact that the top intellegence agencies in the world all came to the same conclusion regarding Iraq pretty much flies in the face of that entire argument.
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