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121  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: What D&D character are you? on: August 21, 2013, 08:36:25 PM
Look at those well-rounded stats!  icon_biggrin

Neutral Good Human Cleric (5th Level)

Ability Scores:
Strength- 14
Dexterity- 15
Constitution- 16
Intelligence- 16
Wisdom- 15
Charisma- 16

Guess I need to stop playing a ranger in all those RPGs....
122  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360/PC/PS3] XCOM: Enemy Unknown - Enemy Within expansion! on: August 21, 2013, 08:09:00 PM
Those 40 new maps will be very welcome. I hope they are more varied than the original game's designs.
123  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360/PC/Ps3] Splinter Cell: Blacklist on: August 21, 2013, 08:06:54 PM
Fantastic game. Stealth fans need to pick this game up ASAP.
124  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What is the DLC sweet-spot price point for you? on: August 14, 2013, 02:44:33 PM
Unless it is a game I absolutely have an urge to play right now, I've been training myself to wait for the inevitable Game of the Years edition. And then I usually wait for that to go on sale for at least 10-25% off.

This is much easier to do when you have a backlog.
125  Gaming / Portable Gaming & Apps / Re: Dragons crown is out! Vita/ps3 on: August 08, 2013, 03:41:18 AM
Decided to grab this. As Gratch mentioned, the artwork is absolutely stunning. I'm still surprised by backlash against the female character designs, yet these same people have absolutely no problem with the equally over-the-top male characters. People just need to stir up needless drama.

The controls are fluid and responsive, but the square button is used too much, for too many commands. And as already mentioned, your character can easily be lost amidst the chaos on the screen. I recommend choosing a brighter colored outfit at the design screen. Combat is highly enjoyable, however.

If the game had a true story, it could easily be one of my top titles of the year. I know this is a brawler game, but the lush environments and character designs just scream for a solid storyline to flesh them out. such a missed opportunity...
126  Gaming / Portable Gaming & Apps / Re: Dragons crown is out! Vita/ps3 on: August 06, 2013, 09:40:17 PM
The game looks brilliant, but I've never been a fan of the brawler genre. For some reason I thought this was an action RPG, so I'm slightly disappointed to find out that isn't the case.  If it had a adequate storyline I would be more intrigued, but reviews seem to say it is an afterthought. It definitely looks slick, though.

I'll wait for a few Reviews from forum members before I decide.
127  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Pikmin 3 (WiiU) on: August 06, 2013, 08:57:36 PM
I was really interested in this game until I heard it uses the old Wii controller. I detested that thing. And from what I've read the regular game pad controls are unintuitive, and I've long since passed the point in my life where I'm willing to spend time fighting a control scheme.

but I'm happy to hear that some people are really enjoying the game.

128  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC] The Elder Scrolls Anthology on: August 02, 2013, 12:19:31 AM
Would have been cool if it was some type of HD remake of the earlier games. At least the packaging is slick, and they are including all the official DLC.
129  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC] Realms of Arkania: Blade of Destiny being remade on: July 30, 2013, 05:42:31 PM
Do not, under ANY circumstances, buy this game in its current state. it is so bad I'm afraid it may open a portal into another dimension and release squid overlords into our realm if too many people sacrifice themselves to the horrors of this title.

I wish I was joking....
130  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Zimmerman / Martin Thread? on: July 16, 2013, 03:41:57 AM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on July 15, 2013, 10:23:34 PM

Quote from: Dante Rising on July 15, 2013, 09:01:03 PM

What I find to be detestable is how the media is trying their hardest to stir the flames of racism over this story. Several stories I have read are calling Zimmerman "a white male" when in fact he is part hispanic and part white.

It's possible to be both.

As of 2010, 50.5 million or 16.3% of Americans were ethnically Hispanic or Latino. Of those, 26.7 million, or 53%, were White.

Oh, I understand that perfectly. But just like African American, the usual term is white hispanic. I'm willing to go on a limb and say the media felt the story is better if the "hispanic" portion was left off.

I'm especially unhappy that the media seems hellbent to find out who the jurors were, despite their requests to remain anonymous based upon the hostility and threats directed at them. By all means, please add the jurors so we can publicly shame and torment them for doing your civic duty.

My favorite is Carol Ostello from CNN, where she asked why the jury wasn't three African Americans females and three white females.
or when she said that the jury members should go public, as "protests are going on all across the country and the jury-members they have a chance to kind of settle things down. Only they can answer questions as to why they found George Zimmerman not guilty. For instance did they think race did not factor in?"

What does she expect? A jury member to say "Yeah, he was obviously innocent because he wasn't black!" NOTHING a jury member will say can appease the emotional masses using Martin as a tool to grind their own axe. As I mentioned before, if the law is in need of change, then peacefully make that change. Instead of focusing on the law that allowed Zimmerman to be free, the media is focused on Zimmerman.

131  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Zimmerman / Martin Thread? on: July 15, 2013, 09:01:03 PM
What I find to be detestable is how the media is trying their hardest to stir the flames of racism over this story. Several stories I have read are calling Zimmerman "a white male" when in fact he is part hispanic and part white. I guess that makes Tiger Woods a "white male" also. Then I love how they've been stating the jury was six females, one black and five white. Why is that important? The press keeps adding small amounts of kindling to an explosive situation, and its regrettable because most people don't worry about looking at the facts. I've seen dozens of stories about the impact to Martin's immediate family and extended family. What about Zimmerman's family?  What about all the threats to his life? The sports stars saying "the hood will catch up to him...the jury should go commit suicide...", etc.

The bottom line is that the man was found innocent, and the jury had more information than we do. He should be allowed to live his life, without always having to look over his shoulder. Justice was served, and if people are unhappy with the outcome they should work peacefully to change the laws. One man is dead, and the other had his life forever changed for the worse. It is a tragedy from every angle. The only winners in this are the media, who love to stir the flames of racism to sell a few extra newspapers or increase their viewership.

132  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: Steam Deals Thread: SUMMER SALE!!! on: July 11, 2013, 10:25:13 PM
Anyone want to go in on the Don't Starve 2 pack with me? Comes out to $6.75 instead of $8.99
133  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] The Last Of Us on: June 21, 2013, 08:22:02 AM

Quote from: ATB on June 20, 2013, 02:05:42 AM

Are there encounters where if you hide long enough human troops will pull out?  Or do I just have to constantly stealth kill my way through them?
Do you specifically mean troops, or any human enemy? I recall two specific encounters where roving bandits left the area while I remained hidden. I'm at 38% complete.
134  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 20, 2013, 11:03:12 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on June 20, 2013, 10:57:45 PM

Quote from: Canuck on June 20, 2013, 01:11:37 PM

How many days since E3 and the pre-order version of Xbox still hasn't sold out. When did Sony sell out? Like two days after E3?

Amazon is still showing Ps4 launch bundles available.

that is for the standard edition, which they clearly state is not guaranteed to be available on launch day. They do, however, have bundles still available. I grabbed the Killzone bundle with PSN.
135  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Xbox One]Fable IV on: June 03, 2013, 08:24:08 PM
Liked Fable, loved Fable 2, detested Fable 3.
136  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (06/03) on: June 03, 2013, 08:21:46 PM
Remember Me for the PC
137  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: MS Surface Pro 128GB w/case $750 (reserved) on: June 03, 2013, 08:00:49 AM
Item is reserved. (On Hold)
138  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / MS Surface Pro 128GB w/case $750 (reserved) on: June 01, 2013, 02:44:49 AM
Well, time to start scraping money together for my MBA.

I have a mint-condition MS Surface Pro 128GB for sale. Like new, with original packaging and receipt. It also comes with a case that I purchased for $25. Nothing special, just for protection. It will be shipped insured via UPS.

Cheapest price on Amazon is $905. Before I ship it off there, I'm willing to discount an extra $155 for Gaming Trend forum members. Pictures available on request.
139  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: May 29, 2013, 08:42:06 PM
I'm still surprised by the amount of angst all over the Internet in regards to the Xbox One no longer being a true gaming console.

I'll agree that their messaging was poor in terms of used games and certain Kinect functionality, but the reveal was never supposed to be about games. That will take place at E3, an actual gaming conference. And besides, does anyone think that almost every third party game will NOT be on both consoles? And MS has already spoken about the significant number of IPs they intend to roll out within the early stages of the console.

If even ONE of those new titles becomes "lightning in a bottle" similar to a Halo franchise, everything else will become meaningless very quickly for a significant number of gamers. These various forums that talk about the X1 being the next PSP Vita or WiiU are absolutely absurd.
140  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: MS Store: 1200 points ($14.99 value) for $4.99 on: May 26, 2013, 02:36:08 AM
BTW, I only ordered one card and received confirmation from MS. Some greedy idiots are using the code to order dozens of cards, and it looks like some of them are having all of their orders cancelled. Just a friendly warning to go easy on the code.
141  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / MS Store: 1200 points ($14.99 value) for $4.99 on: May 26, 2013, 02:30:22 AM
From Cheapassgamer:

Yes; 2/3 off! There is tax added in some states (even though the points shouldn't be taxable) so it will be 5.xx in some states. May or may not work outside the US since MS knows where you live.

Go to and add a 1200 point card to your cart, normal price 14.99. Put in the following code and redeem:


Here is the link to the card:

This will subtract $10 making your cost $4.99. I don't think it will make a difference if you use the credit card associated with your XBL account. You will get an email with the code; sometimes it takes 20-30 mins. The code is reusable so you can place multiple orders ... but be nice and leave some for other CAGs. It does say that there is a limit to the number of times the code can be used.
142  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: May 26, 2013, 02:21:36 AM
I've been reading quite a bit about the probable performance difference between the PS4 and the Xbox One. Blogs and forums are estimating the PS4 is anywhere from 40% to 66% more powerful. But I'm wondering if that extra power is even needed. It seems to me that the limiting factor for the next several years will be 1080P HDTV screens. A PC with mid-tier GPU can already run the most tasking games in 1080P with most bells and whistles. I'm currently running Sleeping Dogs with ultra textures, highest congestion levels, and every other bell and whistle, and my Alienware X51 easily maintains 60FPS on my HDTV.

 I suppose Sony may have a leg up with 4K content, but the adoption rate of those TVs is several years away.
143  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: New Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect(EDGE) on: May 22, 2013, 11:56:56 AM
The nearly flawless integration of the wireless Xbox 360 controller on the vast majority of PC games has significantly reduced my use of the Xbox 360, and it will probably kill most of my initial graphics 'wow' factor that most people will get from the initial jump to the new consoles.

on my Alienware X51 I'm already using Steam to play Dishonored, Bioshock Infinite, Crysis 3, Sleeping Dogs, Metro Last Light, Resident Evil, etc, all in true 1080P, with SSAA, advanced PhysX, tessellation, all with an Xbox 360 controller.

my point here is that unless MS gets off their asses and creates some truly unique exclusive IPs, I have no reason to buy an Xbox One, because the 3rd party experience is better on the PC. I'm not tied to the Xbox Live multiplayer ecosystem, so that part holds no value to me. the only piece of the puzzle that was previously missing from the PC experience was that I could not use a mouse and keyboard comfortably in my living room as a control scheme, and a few years ago gaming controller support sucked on the PC. In the past few years developers have made most games play flawlessly with a wireless 360 controller.

Meanwhile, Sony's strong internal development will force me to buy a PS4. I'll never see Uncharted, Killzone, Infamous, God of War, or Ratchet and Clank on a PC, so the PS4 already has a reserved space in my entertainment center.

For me it's all about the games. Netflix, Hulu, Amazon and YouTube are all integrated into my TV already. I don't need to pay MS to be a middleman.
144  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC/360/PS3] Metro: Last Light on: May 17, 2013, 11:44:33 PM
Ordinarily I purchase PC FPS titles once they fall to about $30. But after hearing about the conditions the developers worked in, I decided to splurge on the game now.

And unfortunately, it is the first game in the past few years that I'm unable to play. For some reason it appears that 4A screwed up their HDTV HDMI support, so when I tried to load the game it auto-defaults to a resolution 1440x480. When I go into the video options to change the resolution, none exist,and the game crashes to desktop if I click on the resolution slider.

They apparently put out a patch which fixed the problem, but it does not work.

<sigh> No good deed goes unpunished.

145  Gaming / Portable Gaming & Apps / Re: [ios-] Sid Meier's Ace Patrol on: May 12, 2013, 10:51:21 PM

Quote from: Misguided on May 12, 2013, 06:42:15 AM

Quote from: wonderpug on May 11, 2013, 05:11:24 PM

Buyer beware. I finished up the British campaign and started into the Ameican campaign and... it's the same thing. The planes are different, but the missions seem identical and follow the exact same progression. You even start out with the same mundane tutorial missions.

The game itself is still fun, but unless the French and German campaigns are somehow different, I don't recommend anyone pay for more than the $1 British campaign.

The campaigns are all the same (you can skip the tutorial missions by choosing the accelerated option). Since there is a choice of missions, though, there should be plenty of replayability. Some have remarked that the planes feel significantly different/require different tactics, but I haven't tried yet.

Wait, just to clarify, the missions for the different countries are identical? Only the types of planes change? Or do you mean the tutorials for all countries are identical? I'm curious because 2K was touting how there are over 100 missions.
146  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Re: Gearbox and Sega get slapped with a lawsuit on: May 03, 2013, 06:47:58 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on May 01, 2013, 02:55:29 PM

It wasn't a playable demo. It was a carefully choreographed presentation because the whole thing would have broken apart if anyone got to actually play it. The game also had a review embargo/delivery to reviewers that prevented any reviews until after the game was released. You might think it's okay for companies to lie to potential customers in order to sell products they know are inferior to what's being promised. I don't, and I strongly doubt most other people do as well.

The embargo thing is a frequent component in this industry.  Many games arrive at your doorstep with only a few days (sometimes hours?!) before release. Games like Blood Dragon where the game is worthy, those games show up usually well in advance.  Games like Colonial Marines show up the day before.   When I started playing this and realized what was going on I took a day off of my regular job to power through it and the review so people would get adequate warning before they put their hard-earned cash on the table for it.  

The thing that bothers me is that Randy and co KNEW that what they were presenting was not possible with the engine, timeline, or current in-production game.  I feel sorry for the folks at Timegate who (other than their most recent failure of a shooter) have zero experience with shooters being handed a beloved franchise as sub-contractors but given absolutely no control over their own product.  Entire levels were uncoupled and shuffled like a deck of cards (hence why the weapon unlocks are so mangled and ass backwards), major story elements were changed, canon ignored, etc. etc. but since Sega was still happy enough to throw money down the Gearbox hole (which was, from all accounts, promptly used to make Borderlands and Borderlands 2) the end product was never going to be close to the thing that we were shown at E3.  I think him calling it "Actual gameplay" multiple times is what chafes my ass the most.  They showed us a top-tier 360 game and delivered a bottom-rung original Xbox game.  

I've played plenty of games that looked one way at E3 and came out completely changed at the end.  The difference here is that those changes were shouted from the rooftops - this was slipped in under cover of night and set on fire like a bag of flaming dog shit on my porch.  

I see your point. However, holding developers and publishers responsible for the disparity between a demo and finished product is a slippery slope. The consumers simply needed to wait ONE HOUR after release to learn the disappointing truth about the gameplay. Reviews were flying around minutes after the embargo lifted. And you need to admit, the rumor mill was already swirling with talk about the game being a train wreck. In my opinion this is a frivolous lawsuit. Sega suing Gearbox....that might have some merit, if they took funds for Aliens and siphoned those off to Borderlands.

The potential increased litigation risk and costs to honest developers if this case is won outweighs the potential benefits the consumer will obtain in any remedy. I don't want the gaming industry exposed to idiots like this:

147  Gaming / Portable Gaming & Apps / Re: Final Fantasy Tactics sequel on: April 28, 2013, 08:55:29 AM
And people thought EA was the devil.......
148  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Worlds of Magic Kickstarter -- successor to Master of Magic on: April 21, 2013, 06:11:24 PM
Worlds of Magic, Torment, Wasteland 2, Shadowrun Returns, Broken Age, etc, etc...

If these games turn out well, Kickstarter will have my eternal gratitude. Its a wonderful time to be a gamer.
149  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Er...Is Anyone Else Going To Run Out of HDMI Ports? on: April 14, 2013, 10:40:11 PM

Quote from: The Grue on April 12, 2013, 06:53:09 PM

For those interested, this is what I bought:

It has worked great and it also is autoswitching, so as soon as it detects a new signal, it switches over to it.  I only ever have one device turned on at a time, but since I have my 360 and WiiU plugged into it, if I already had the WiiU on and I wanted to see something on the 360, I could just turn on the 360 and it would switch over.

Anyway, just wanted to share in case others want some solutions.

Thanks for the link. I'll grab one immediately. I also need to buy a new entertainment center because I've officially run out of room. Maybe something similar to what HankRaptor posted. icon_eek
150  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Better for PC gaming: Windows 7 or Windows 8? on: April 13, 2013, 10:08:01 AM
I have Windows 8, and every single game in my Steam library that I have checked works on it flawlessly. in certain cases the games even run better due to some optimizations in Win 8. And if you are a fan of the standard windows start menu, you can always add it in easily.
151  Gaming / Portable Gaming & Apps / Re: PS Vita Impressions! Vita Digital Purchases Beating PS3 - no NA price cuts on: April 12, 2013, 06:40:19 AM

Quote from: Harpua3 on April 11, 2013, 05:47:23 AM

Just to comment on a few things here. I have 5 games on cart, 10 dl games, and 3 psp games on this 32gb stick. I still have 16 gb free! I don't like the pricing on the memory sticks at all, but this 32gb really has lasted.
So off to try gaulamelee!!!

I just downloaded Atelier Totori, which is a wonderful addition to the stable of games if you like carefree JRPGs with a heavy emphasis on alchemy. But I was stunned that the game is almost 3GB. Of course, it IS one of the the best looking title on the system.
152  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Heads up to XBox Live Family Pack subscribers on: April 12, 2013, 06:34:51 AM
MS is going to have a difficult time with these pricing models if PS+ continues on its current trajectory. Sony constantly throws free stuff at their members, and the list always has some excellent titles. I still can't believe you need to be a Gold member on Xbox Live to view something like  Netflix.

This generation many people are tied to a specific online community, but I don't know if that will necessarily translate into the next generation.
153  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Er...Is Anyone Else Going To Run Out of HDMI Ports? on: April 12, 2013, 05:41:08 AM
Ah, the next gen is right around the corner and I couldn't be more excited. And then I realized something....I have 4 HDMI ports on my receiver, And they are all being used:

-Alienware X51
-Xbox 360
-Nintendo WiiU

And with the next series of consoles apparently lacking backward compatibility, and with my girlfriends fixation on getting Apple TV, I theoretically need 7 HDMI ports (!)  I still have a number of games I love and/or haven't finished on the current consoles, so I'm not about to mothball them. I'm not sure if an HDMI switcher can be used in conjunction with a receiver, but I'll be investigating that soon.

So, is anyone else out of HDMI ports? Or are most of you more dedicated to one or two gaming systems? I was really hoping this upcoming gen was going to offer backward compatibility. It sounds like MS may have "something" akin to that with a stripped down, cheaper 360 that plugs into their next box, but rumors have been wrong before.

Hmmm...or maybe I can convince her that we need another 55" plasma.... drool  
154  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: New Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect(EDGE) on: April 10, 2013, 03:59:45 AM
I religiously use Steam, so the "always on" feature wont bother me....unless it is as sh!tty as Uplay.
155  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: (Win 8 Tablet) Planescape Torment, Baldur's Gate, Fallout on: April 10, 2013, 03:57:04 AM

Quote from: shon on April 09, 2013, 11:10:45 PM

I tried that on a surface but the touch interface always messed up.  Right under where I touched it would create a square box and I could see the desktop below it.  I tried several games and all had that problem.  Glad it worked for you.  I returned it right after that because that was the main reason that I bought it.

I haven't experienced that problem. Were you running a fully updated Windows 8? The only one I have problems with is Arcanum. For some reason it recognizes the stylus about 6 inches away from the actual point that I am tapping.
156  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3/Vita] Guacamelee on: April 10, 2013, 03:54:22 AM

Quote from: davidrobots on April 09, 2013, 11:51:24 PM

As far as the difficulty goes, the hardest parts of the game are completely optional (and hide the game's secretest of secrets), but there are some areas that will put your skills to the test. It's never as crushingly difficult as Super Meat Boy's hardest stuff, but it'll definitely give you a challenge.

The one of the bosses in particular was a pain in the ass, but it didn't make me longer than fifteen minutes to figure it out and beat him. Checkpoints are super generous, and dying during a boss fight (even during ones that have multiple stages) never feels truly painful.

Besides, the game won't take more than six hours to beat (unless you try to find everything, that is). If you don't mind a little bit more challenge in your games, I highly recommend it. The humor, the gameplay, the down right joy of exploration is totally worth it.

Hmm... glad to hear it. I've got a $10 coupon toward the PSN, so maybe I will give it a try. As I mentioned before, I really love the art style.
157  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [ATB] It's April! What's your game of the quarter? on: April 09, 2013, 10:50:35 PM
Tomb Raider.

But I'm firing up Bioshock Infinite tonight, and I'm a series fanboy. So my choice my change in a day or two.  icon_lol
158  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3/Vita] Guacamelee on: April 09, 2013, 10:46:28 PM
I really wanted this game, but:

Many of the levelsí later sections require absolutely perfect timing and precision, tasking you with perfectly chaining long strings of Juanís moves together to navigate a winding path lined with buzz saws. One wrong move in these sections means starting all the way at the beginning. Later boss fights not only require an absolute memorization of all moves learned to that point, but they also need lightning quick reflexes and pattern recognition in order to move past them. One boss killed me at least a few dozen times before I finally got the hang of it and was able to defeat him and continue on my quest.

I'm past the point in my life where I have the time or inclination to play a game where I need to time everything perfectly, or get pushed back to the beginning of an area. Couple that with overly difficult bosses, and the game becomes a no-purchase for me. Its a shame, because I love the concept and and art style.
159  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / (Win 8 Tablet) Planescape Torment, Baldur's Gate, Fallout on: April 09, 2013, 09:51:38 PM
I recently purchased an MS Surface Pro Tablet. I downloaded Torment, Fallout, Icewind Dale, Baldur's Gate, etc from GOG. I was very pleased to learn that they all have native touch screen support! WHY didnt any of you tell me this ?!?!

Using your stylus makes scrolling the screen much easier, but you can basically control everything via touch. (movement, screen drag, spell casting, dialogue, etc) The only tweaks I made were to the combat rules in the gameplay options, so that I had more time to respond in battles. I toggled pause on sighting enemy. I haven't needed my keyboard at all, with the exception of typing in my character's name when I generated my own character. But you can even bypass that by choosing preset names.

With the widescreen mod and increased font size patch, all of these games look they they were created recently. Everything is absolutely stunning in 1080p!! Honestly, the games look more beautiful than some of the RPGs released in the past few years.

An RPG renaissance on my tablet.
160  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Newsgroup Question on: April 08, 2013, 07:29:21 PM
Hmm...Newsbin sent me this:

Newsbin  stores  most  data compressed and for that matter most header
downloads  are  compressed.  If it reported 22 giga downloaded, that's
probably  how  much downloaded but, over the Internet, it was probably
closer  to  2.2 Gb of data over the net compressed by a factor of 10
or  so.  Same  thing  for  what's  stored  on  disk.  Newsbin  uses  a
combination  of  real  and  logical  compression to store trimmed down
versions of the downloaded data.

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