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1361  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Champions Online Open Beta impressions (starting Aug. 17) on: August 23, 2009, 04:07:48 PM
Ended up pulling the trigger on a Lifetime subscription. Figure I can sell that in a few years to an addict for at least $200.
1362  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Champions Online Open Beta impressions (starting Aug. 17) on: August 22, 2009, 05:39:20 AM
Came across a few other decent clones.


Samus is looking a tad malnurished there but otherwise has the equipment right.


It's the Man of Diamonds! aka "Diamond Man"


Probably the easist clone to create but still looks fantastic jumping around


Zombie Hulk Smash!

There was also a fantastic P.N.03 character running around with the acrobat skill so they were doing cartwheels all over the place. Unfortunately they didn't stand still long enough for me to get a decent shot.
1363  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Champions Online Open Beta impressions (starting Aug. 17) on: August 21, 2009, 08:55:13 PM
Well I found Cryptic's policy on creating characters that bare a resemblance to existing ones: http://www.champions-online.com/support/policies/costume

Here's the crux of it:

"While Creating your Champion's Costume: You may not create costumes or costume/name combinations that are recognizable as the registered property of any company. (This includes things such as: comics, anime, movies, or video games.)"

Which to me sucks as its damn fun to see if you can create an existing character with the tools you are given; like creating celebrity Mii's. Hopefully you can still get away with creating versions of the characters that are obvious parody's.
1364  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Champions Online Open Beta impressions (starting Aug. 17) on: August 21, 2009, 03:18:47 PM
So what are your thoughts on seeing versions of existing "heroes" in the game? And what is Cryptic's stance on this? Is copying an existing work within this game a copyright infringement?

For me I'm loving creating existing video/computer game characters. I also get a kick out of seeing well made copies of existing superheroes in the game.

Here's the latest one I thought was really clever.



1365  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Champions Online Open Beta impressions (starting Aug. 17) on: August 20, 2009, 08:02:37 PM
How do you sell stuff in this game at stores? I see a buy tab but not a sell tab. My inventory is filling up so want to get rid of some of these items I have no use for.
1366  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: "The Asylum", the most unapolagetically bad movie production company ever on: August 20, 2009, 06:06:14 PM
I've seen parts of several of these on Sci-Fi channel and what I saw was all pretty bad but perfect for those weekends when you don't want to do shit.
1367  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Champions Online Open Beta impressions (starting Aug. 17) on: August 19, 2009, 08:58:41 PM
Loving this character creator. I just found out there's a pull down menu for head/body/hands/legs that offers even more options including jackets! Didn't realize they were there till I started hitting the random button and wondering where all those new pieces came from.

In any case here's my latest. Not quite as good as the Duke clone but not too bad either. I wish they had normal sized knee pads I could put on or specifically size the robot ones. Meet Ben.


Indy, do you know where the Polecats are hanging out?


Is this what I gotta fight to get a sequel made?


Where's my knee pads and these boots don't quite look right!
1368  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Champions Online Open Beta impressions (starting Aug. 17) on: August 19, 2009, 02:45:58 PM
Having a great time playing around with the character creator. I forgot how fun the COX character creator was and this one is right up there with it. Made three characters but only two are worth showing off.


Feather Duster


Nuke Dukem


Shake it baby!

I've seen a few other "familiar faces" in game including, believe it or not, Weird Al Yankovic.
1369  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: Amazon Guitar Hero 5 deal on: August 16, 2009, 08:55:33 PM
The Activsion site is saying it can take up to 6 weeks to ship the Van Halen disc after you type in your code. Still would get it before the regular release.

I went with the Amazon dealie where you get $5 towards MP3 downloads (although it looks like it has to be songs from the game) and $10 off your next video game purchase. Never got World Tour so probably going to use that $10 towards World Tour and get the instruments for $89. It came out cheaper than getting the $99 GH5 guitar bundle and the drum set for $89 (doesn't even have the mic or World Tour) seperately.
1370  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Champions Online Open Beta impressions (starting Aug. 17) on: August 15, 2009, 12:21:37 AM

Quote from: Fez on August 14, 2009, 09:44:48 PM

Umm..if you didn't get your key, don't worry.  I can't even REGISTER on the Champions Online website at the moment.  Seems like it's totally incapable of dealing with the traffic their getting right now or something.  Not a good start when you can't even register an account.

If the problem with registering is due to high demand on the system well then that's what the beta process is for - to iron out those things before launch.
1371  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Darkest of Days debut trailer..time travel shooter on: August 14, 2009, 07:02:41 PM
Same meh from me. The controls felt off to me for shooter. The graphics were not all that great and there were some odd pop-in animations like at the very beginning where arrows raining down on you appear out of no where. I almost stopped playing the demo - then the sci-fi stuff happened, which got me interested enough to play the rest of it.

My opinion slightly improved but not enough to buy it. I liked the Civil War theme, and mowing down enemies with a futuristic machine gun was kinda fun. But there were some jarring moments where the game would all of a sudden turn in to an on-rails shooter. When you were left to your own devices you had to get to certain points on the map to get the game to move forward. This even goes for an escort mission where you are required to head in to a trench to get to the next point to advance the story when you probably could have just as easily went around the trench and avoided the Confederate in the trenches.

When its on Steam for $5 I'd probably consider picking it up. Or better if it arrives on GameTap.
1372  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Walking Dead stroll onto AMC on: August 13, 2009, 12:41:35 AM
I have Book 1 of the series (#1-#12) which I thought was pretty good - although a little annoyed at the quality of the drawings got worse later in the book. Whats the verdict of the rest of the books? I'm reading on Amazon that the plot starts crapping out. Given the price of the books I've been hesitant to purchase more. Any opinions on the rest of the series?
1373  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Your Search is Over: The Best BBQ Sauce In the Universe Has Been Found on: August 12, 2009, 06:37:24 PM
There's a Sweet Baby Ray's Restaurant around here. We've been to it twice now. I gave their ribs two chances but both times they were pretty lame, even with the sauce. However their Onion Strings appetizer with the BBQ sauce is fantastic and is probably enough to get us to go there a third time.
1374  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Interested in traveling to Japan on: August 11, 2009, 06:40:48 PM
I'd also recommend heading to Kyoto. When doing some training for my company in Japan I went to Kyoto on my only free day. Really amazing place with some neat temples and rock gardens. I headed there from Osaka and I think the train ride was only an hour or so (one transfer). I had one of my trainees with me at the time and that made getting around a lot easier on me as I don't speak/read the language fluently enough to be effective. He was able to help avoid having to wait in any of the long bus lines by the end of the day I got to see quite a lot as well as eat lunch at a very traditional Japanese restaurant in the area which I probably wouldn't have found or went to on my own.

If you don't know the language you might want to look in to hiring someone local to go with you.
1375  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: So You Think You Can Dance Season 5 on: August 08, 2009, 02:05:40 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on August 07, 2009, 03:35:16 PM

Who was better than Joshua last year?

Katee was a better dancer. Joshua was right up there with her but Katee was more impressive. The judges really built up Joshua by continuing to reference how he didn't have such-and-such training and that he shouldn't be able to do what he's doing. Like this year I would have been happy with either of the final two winning but the better dancer (Brandon) didn't win and it went to someone the judges built up ("I think you're peaking at the right time").
1376  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: So You Think You Can Dance Season 5 on: August 07, 2009, 03:27:33 PM
Definitely a good finale for the show. It's also great to see the show getting some popularity and they were able to move to the Kodak theater for the finale.

The better dancer didn't win (same with last year) but I'm happy with the results since it wasn't Evan winning.

Anyone else notice Little C was missing from the judges Chorus Line routine? Also anyone heard why they were doing the next show so soon - September 2nd I think they said? Even though I love the show I would have been fine with a longer break in between.
1377  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: stressed? watch this on: July 23, 2009, 06:27:30 PM
That's huge!

They have a similar exhibit at the Georgia Aquarium. There's a large viewing room where you just couldn't help yourself but sit down and stare at it in awe. The Georgia tank looks to be a bit more diverse. As you walk around the tank there's different viewing areas and a glass hallway where you see stuff on either side and above you.

I posted a few videos of it on YouTube awhile back. My camera definitely doesn't hold up to the quality of the HD stuff but you get the idea. Certainly a must see if you head to Georgia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS7bVwVqE34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_KG3vqixfE&feature=channel
1378  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] Walt Disney's Ponyo on: July 23, 2009, 06:18:26 PM
I'm a big fan of the Miyazaki films but this one isn't connecting with me from the trailers. Will still see it though.
1379  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: So, what do you think the big MMO of the fall will be? on: July 22, 2009, 05:56:00 PM
I'll still be playing Warhammer but most of the buzz seems to be coming from Aion. I'm not very interested in another fantasy MMO so will probably skip that one for Champions/Marvel Universe after those two have matured a bit. I tend to skip initial MMO launches due to the usual initial problems/headaches.
1380  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do you still get excited for games by id? on: July 22, 2009, 05:46:38 PM
I'm not as excited about this game as I was Doom 3. But Doom 3 was their last real company produced game which was 5 years ago. Back then what you could still do with a 3D engine was quite new. We were amazed by real-time lighting effects, physics and even simple stuff like enemies that could interact with the environment. Since then there's been a lot of impressive 3D engines (Half-Life/Fear/Crysis) and there doesn't seem to be the huge jump in technology used in these engines that are mind blowing anymore. It's mainly improvement on graphics/physics.

I didn't see anything in the Rage preview that had me asking how they did that or wondering if I was looking at something real-time or CG.

I'm sure there's going to be some neat unexpected technology improvements but based on what I've seen so far I'm not jumping out of my seat in excitement for it like their last game.
1381  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: GoGamer Weekend Madness 7-17: Mirror's Edge & Prince of Persia PC $5.90 on: July 18, 2009, 02:04:54 PM

Quote from: Beer Goggles on July 18, 2009, 12:52:16 PM

Quote from: Crawley on July 17, 2009, 11:38:17 PM

On topic: Mirrors Edge and Prototype shipping.

Off topic: Is there a location where that GoGamer support link is featured on Gaming Trend? I tried looking for it before coming to the forums but couldn't find anything.

The first post called Support Gaming Trend Links.

Whoops. I do tend to ignore those sticky posts.
1382  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: GoGamer Weekend Madness 7-17: Mirror's Edge & Prince of Persia PC $5.90 on: July 17, 2009, 11:38:17 PM
On topic: Mirrors Edge and Prototype shipping.

Off topic: Is there a location where that GoGamer support link is featured on Gaming Trend? I tried looking for it before coming to the forums but couldn't find anything.
1383  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Digital Games sales are growing up on: July 17, 2009, 06:25:41 PM
I do a lot of digital download purchases but typically they're of older games that are on sale. I'm with Huw and brettmcd as far as wanting the actual CD/Manual/Box for any new releases. But I definitely see that tend going away and would probably start buying those new releases digitally if the price difference between the retail version was different enough.
1384  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: the 10 worst consoles ever on: July 17, 2009, 06:16:00 PM
If I had the money at the time I probably would have bought the CD-I. I can recall being blown away by the Golf game they always had playing in Sharper Image. Plus it had Dragons Lair 1 & 2 on there which I thought would be so cool to be able to play at home.
1385  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Warhammer Online Producer's letter on: July 16, 2009, 07:38:53 PM

Quote from: Razgon on July 16, 2009, 02:57:47 PM

Quote from: Arclight on July 16, 2009, 09:48:41 AM

There is an air of desperation in that post.

really?? Where?

I think this is the spot "My guild’s Keep is getting attacked -- I’ve gotta run!"
1386  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: Amazon MP3 Daily Deal plus various other MP3 deals (keep it updated!) on: July 10, 2009, 05:50:55 PM
Sweet. Came close to buying this and Pablo Honey a few weeks ago.
1387  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Hysteria Hospital: Emergency Ward on: July 10, 2009, 05:47:16 PM
Hopefully it turns out better than Hospital Tycoon which was another clone but was just lacking something Theme Hospital had. I think a soul.
1388  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [revisit]Vampire: Bloodlines (now with retrospective!) on: July 06, 2009, 06:25:45 PM
Was the problem with the sewers just navigating? I completed the game and loved it from beginning to end but never really had an issue in the sewers. I seem to recall one mission in there where you ended up having to kill some sewer boss guy that was tied to the main plot line. I remember being in the sewers awhile before I got to him, and having to do some backtracking, but never felt I hadn't a clue of what to do next.
1389  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Warhammer - Is the player base leaving on: June 29, 2009, 06:33:03 PM
On Iron Rock it seems like Destruction has a slight advantage in RvR. I just got my sorcerer up to L30 and Destruction was owning Order in Tier 3 RvR. A little bit too much near the end there we would would have to all hide in the keep and not attack them until they committed to the inner door. But even then they tended to tuck tail and run if there was more than two groups there. Up until then it was just fine so not sure what happened but its made T3 RvR boring currently.

Since T3 was getting boring I figured I'd try out the Choppa class and wait for some new T3 blood to get in the mix. The Choppa is at L10 right now. Tier 1 is pretty lively for both Order/Destruction but Destruction again seems to have a slight advantage. I'm hoping these core group of people in T1 follow it in to T2. One thing that does suck about T1 is its hard to get anyone to leave the Chaos/Empire RvR zones so most of your time is spent RvRing in the same area.

I can't speak to T4 on this server in any detail. But city sieges seem to go back and forth which means one side isn't over powered. When Land of the Dead opened I've noticed Destruction has access to it each time I log in, even though Order won early access to it via the live event.

The only other server I can speak to is Magnus and that of T4 where Destruction was overwhelming Order to the point where there was a city siege on Order a few times a day. It was boring for Destruction and depressing for Order. I stopped playing my T4 Order characters after a few months of this where it was obvious there was little to be done to stop the other side. I'm not sure how the earlier Tiers are on that server though.
1390  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Michael Jackson has a heart attack on: June 26, 2009, 06:50:45 PM
Hearing a lot of Michael Jackson around Chicago. Someone was blasting it from their car when I was on the way to the train station yesterday. Then this morning going to work. Yet again while going to lunch. I'm getting my Michael fix.
1391  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Old making of EQ article on: June 22, 2009, 05:59:34 PM

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on June 22, 2009, 05:34:13 PM

There are times when I miss the original Everquest desperately.  No world, before or since, has absorbed me so thoroughly, and I doubt any ever will.  I played most of the subsequent MMORPGs, including susbtantial time in WoW and EQ2, but I really think you can't go home again.  I feel like I knew what the Desert of Ro smelled like.  It was one of the few games ever to make me forget completely that I was playing a game.

Around a year ago or so they re-subbed all old accounts for a month. I checked it out during that time and re-visited old haunts and what not (had a thread somewhere on it with screen shots...maybe on OO). It definitely was a blast to go back to the old haunts. A lot of things haven't changed a bit. Guards/Vendors stand where they always were. The same sound effects play out. You can still only have 9 spells memorized at a time.

But there were plenty of differences in the original areas too. Desert of Ro (south and north) got a face lift in both design and graphics and actually looked pretty slick. The UI was overhauled but still seemed a bit cluttered. And things were a lot more empty - for instance it kinda was depressing to go to West Commons and see it completely devoid of anyone running around much less at the tunnel trying to buy/sell loot.

I tried starting a new character but I just couldn't go back to the grind and get used to the complicated UI. More recent MMOs have spoiled me.
1392  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Will GoG ever get Interstate 76? on: June 18, 2009, 03:15:31 AM
Dunno about GoG but Interstate '76 Gold and Interstate '82 are both on Gametap. They did have the Nitro pack for awhile but removed it after no one was downloading it. I did give I76 a whirl as I had such fond memories of that game. It does not hold up well with time.
1393  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Warhammer - Is the player base leaving on: June 17, 2009, 06:56:47 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 16, 2009, 06:36:19 PM

Of course, I'm talking about scenario PvP and not open realm PvP/RvR, which almost disappeared after a couple of weeks on my server after launch.  It vanished because it wasn't good for leveling and the lag on larger battles was horrendous - we're talking measuring lag in seconds, not milliseconds.  I don't know if WAR ever fixed that particular problem or not.  Plus, at the time it was almost counterproductive to defend - both sides would get more points if they just traded the objective (WAR's version of Alterac Valley).

Ah, actually I didn't even equate scenarios in to my comments as I hardly bother with them now. I don't care for scenarios in T3. And forget trying the ones in T4 unless you go in with a balanced group. If you don't your team will spend 15 minutes getting rolled by a geared out Bright Wizard or Sorcerer that's impossible to kill. The worst part about T3 scenarios now are whiners and geek ragers who get upset when your losing. To make matters worse a lot of people like to quit out of scenarios as soon as things go sour. If the scenario becomes unbalanced it will stop early and the winning side does not get awarded victory points (which go towards the ORVR portion of the game). In T4 the quitting situation is even worse as VPs are so important there.

I haven't noticed lag in ORVR for a long time, specifically in T1-T3. In T4 is does happen on rare occasions when you have several warbands from each side fighting in the zone.  It used to happen a lot during fortress sieges but they've lowered the population allowance for that which has more or less wiped out the problem there.

With the Victory Points addition, increase in exp/inf/renown for defending keeps, and an increase with the exp/inf/renown reward when you lock down an ORvR zone there's not a lot of trading objectives between sides. Its now more of "Order just took a Battle Field Objective! Crush them! Take the zone!
1394  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Warhammer - Is the player base leaving on: June 16, 2009, 05:52:13 PM
What's wrong with T3 RvR? I've seen that comment before and can't figure it. T3 is probably my favorite tier for RvR. There's typically a lot of action going on in it. Warbands usually form quick when the opposing side is on the move. With the 2 keep doors the keep takes/defenses are typically more epic. This is also the first Tier where you really need strategic and authoritative WB leader(s) to deal with the opposition - its great to see everyone following orders and it works out in the end; especially if that equates to a zone lock. It also doesn't have all the current problems of T4 where equipment, AOEs and disables rule. I played through T3 with 2 Order characters and 1 Destruction and its still my favorite of the bunch.
1395  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: Steam Weekend MMO sale on: June 15, 2009, 06:13:00 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on June 15, 2009, 07:07:18 AM

well, I couldn't bring myself to pull the trigger on the EQ2 bundle.  the original release of EQ2 is sitting on a shelf here, gathering dust, and I am thinking that if I couldn't get into it before it would mean I would never see any of the stuff the expansion packs had to offer anyways.

Ah you missed out. You could start off and play almost exclusively in the Faydwer zones from the Echoes of Faydwer expansion. I still think those zones are some of the best looking ones. In a months time you probably could make it to the first area of Desert of Flames, which at first I didn't like but later got in to it. The Splitpaw Saga and Bloodline Chronicle adventure packs would also be doable although I don't know how many people are playing those now. But Kingdom of the Sky, Kunark and Shadow Odyssey expansion pack content would likely not be accessed in a months time for most people unfamiliar with the game.

Since the original release though there's three new starting zones to get you up to level 20. After that your choices are original zones or Faydwer. Then at L40 I think you can start going to Desert of Flames. If you hit L50 then you got Fay, Desert and Sky to play with. For $10 there's a fair amount of content to access in a months time, but yeah you wouldn't be able to access it all.
1396  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: Steam Weekend MMO sale on: June 14, 2009, 03:28:12 AM
I went in for AoC since I was always curious about that one. 7hr+ download. Let it go over night. Then in the morning it started patching. After about an hour of pointless 1 file patching segments I cancled it and did other things. Then I ran the game again and it had a whole new interface for the patching process and was downloading, first a 60MB file and then a 2GB file. Which was better than the single file patching which kept inturrupting anything else I was trying to do on the computer. But still from install that was like over 10hrs to get this game running.

Actually it didn't run at first. Each time I hit play the launcher would close and then re-start, then go in to a loop. After cruising the web looking for solutions I found there was some launcher looping issues. I deleted some files, tried to stop things in task manager, ran the game software checkup, rebooted. Nothing was working. Then I finally came across a lone post that said the Steam launcher doesn't work for the game. You had to go in to the install folder and run the files manually. Ugh.

So not a smooth start to the game but once I got in the game I was pretty pleased. Neat classes and the game looks fantastic. But after the free month I'm dropping it. Hopefully they'll do this again as I would be curious to try Eve.
1397  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: So You Think You Can Dance Season 5 on: June 12, 2009, 07:11:30 PM
I don't mind the Tony's so much. There's gotta be some cannon fodder in the show for the first few weeks before you get invested in some of the dancers.

I do have to say that this year it seems like they've picked a lot of great dancers based on the initial performance show. And for those that are interested Cat Deeley is supposed to have a running blog on EW.com. Hopefully it'll give some good background info on the show.
1398  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: D&D Online Free to Play! on: June 09, 2009, 07:02:42 PM
This was released before LOTRO, so the graphics are not as good but they're decent enough. Dungeons are pretty fun as they aren't the standard kill 1,000 mobs, kill boss. Each dungeon has a small story to follow and you'll encounter puzzles and what not. I remember their UI wasn't the best and took a bit of getting used to. Combat isn't as smooth as some other MMOs but tends to be a bit more involved.

The dungeons offer a unique experience as you get experience from completing them (not killing monsters)but its not always the best. Because of the D&D mechanic you have a limited number of spells/abilities you can use. There are "rechargers" in the dungeon but they have a limited reuse and are rare - often you need to fight several monsters just to get in those rooms. So you sometimes have to hold back on using spells/abilities while going through the dungeon. While that does add a new layer of strategic play its also quite fun to be able to let loose as you please. Often by the end of the dungeon all I could do was swing away at monsters with my basic attack.

I played in a 2 person group which didn't work so well in D&D Online. In most MMOs a 2 person group is fine for most stuff. In this game the dungeons tended to be either too difficult for 2 players or too easy. So the experience could range from being frustrating to boring. The game is definitely built around either soloing it (there are solo versions of the dungeons) or working with a 4-6 person group.

I should note I'm speaking from playing this thing about 2 years ago and I jumped back in to the game for a free weekend about a year ago. So they may have tweaked the dungeon experience to accommodate smaller groups better.

I might give it another shot with the free version. It sounds like its somewhat limited (free stuff I mean) but probably work checking out whats new.
1399  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Up - Down? on: June 01, 2009, 06:11:54 PM
I must be one of the few that actually liked Cars. I'd put Up in the good not great category. I do have to say it had the funniest elderly fight sequences I've seen. I just wish it went on a bit longer.

I didn't care for the short this time around. A neat idea but found the whole thing rather dull.
1400  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: So You Think You Can Dance Season 5 on: May 22, 2009, 05:07:04 PM
Yeah, it already looks like there's a few competitors you can really get behind and root for.

Anyone put off a bit by Nigels comments to the two guys doing the samba or whatever it was? Took me aback that he didn't try to use much tact in his comments. I have to admit it was distracting and neither guy seemed that great. Mary's comments seemed a bit more helpful with explaining how it was distracting to not have a lead and each guy would mirror what the other one did.

I'm looking forward to seeing the roomate of last years winner. Her dancing is similar to Katee's so I'm expecting stellar dacing.
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