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8841  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: November 05, 2008, 07:07:20 PM

Quote from: The Grue on November 05, 2008, 07:03:14 PM

I killed some monstrous brute guy who had a minigun by just keeping at his back.  It was a proud moment for me as the guy should have handed me my ass, but I outsmarted him.  I was out of ammo so I did it with a bat.

that sounds like a benny hill moment.
8842  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XboxLive] Question on gamertags on: November 05, 2008, 07:05:06 PM
there's an option to retrieve your gamertag under the log in menu.  did that with a friend when he came over to play a while ago. 
8843  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: November 05, 2008, 06:55:03 PM
i found nathan's body in the water by the bomb.  not sure if he fell or if he just drank too much of the bad water.  hope he isn't critical later on. 

i finished up Those! last night and man, what a nice bonus reward you get.  nothing quite as nice as getting cool perks ala moira's guide rewards.  i think i'll go out and find as many of these as possible (plus the bobbleheads) before i get too far into the game proper. 

i stumbled across another deathclaw near the talon merc camp outside megaton and despite missing out on a sneak critical, i managed to take it down without getting hurt.  very satisfying that was.  vats hunting rifle at medium range softened it up a bit, then point blank two shots from the combat shotgun to finish it up. 

i think i need to go out searching for the ranger armor too.  great dr plus bonuses to my weapon skills. 

oh, the ripper looks pretty cool too. 
8844  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Tuesday, Nov 4th: You vote, my son has brain surgery [long] on: November 04, 2008, 10:52:44 PM
wishing all of you the best lildrgn.  you have a strong little boy there. 
8845  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: November 04, 2008, 08:32:47 PM


Cyanide & Happiness @ Explosm.net


eeevil  icon_twisted
8846  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: Recent Games on clearance at Target on: November 04, 2008, 08:16:33 PM
i also saw golden axe hit clearance.  must be a pretty lackluster game and nobody is talking about it at all. 

i did find a few copies of pure a while back which is odd considering it's still 60 everywhere else. 
8847  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: Infinite Undiscovery + Guide on: November 04, 2008, 08:14:37 PM
tempting but i need to finish up what i have sitting on my shelf right now.  lmk if you want to trade something for it.
8848  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: It's October 2008: What's your GOTY so far? on: November 04, 2008, 08:11:59 PM
fallout 3 with fable a close second for rpg.  gta 4 with saints row for action game, mercs getting an honorable mention.  best shooter is far cry 2 with stalker cs in second.

ultimate goty is between fallout 3 and gta 4.  very close but fallout is pulling ahead on this one. 

best shooter will need re evaluation after resistance and gow 2. 
8849  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 Impressions PC Edition on: November 04, 2008, 07:01:03 PM

Quote from: VynlSol on November 04, 2008, 04:13:23 AM

Sooo...I found The Ripper whilst dealing with the fire ant problem but didn't get a chance try it out.

I make my way into the Springvale School, armed with The Ripper, and get jumped by three raiders looking for trouble. I use VATS on one of them, he goes down in one "hit" - in fact I sawed his head off. I turn to raider #2, and he just happens to be standing right in a corner. I saw the hell out of this guy...by the time he's dead I've got body parts and blood all over the place. I turn to raider #3, who I haven't touched yet even though she'd been whacking me with a lead pipe this whole time...I turn to her and she yells, "OH GOD, PLEASE DON'T KILL ME!!" as she turns and hauls ass out of the room.

Worth the admission price just for that. Fucking awesome.

that is awesome.  i've had a raider run and flee after dropping his buddy and seriously hurting him as well.  i love that they have a survival instinct, however small.  i do wish that limb critical hits would leave a person alive long enough for the coup de grace though.   icon_twisted
8850  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: November 04, 2008, 06:54:07 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on November 04, 2008, 05:47:41 PM

I'm not a Reaver anymore... now I'm the Scourge of Humanity!  I do much better at scourging with full health.  (and sadly my corpse eating doesn't heal me nearly enough)

i knew as soon as i had heard about that perk that you would be picking it.  it was also pretty obvious that megaton was not long for the world in your game when i got the offer from burke.  biggrin

i decided to play nice this time around and really only take the karma hits for stealing anything that looks useful.  next time, it's going to be an evil manipulative biatch out for no one but herself. 
8851  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fable 2: One Million in One Week? on: November 04, 2008, 06:47:32 PM
not sure how many showed up for the local stores midnight launch, but it wasn't as big as gta4's was.  of course, neither was fallout 3's midnight launch.  i think gow2's should be bigger though. 
8852  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 [Hints and Spoilers thread] on: November 03, 2008, 11:54:03 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on November 03, 2008, 11:20:22 PM

Where can i find a reliable source of deathclaw's? Only seen two in many hours of play

found two which spawned right near the busted overpass near that little bed & breakfast raider shack near arefu.  i will look in the guide for some hunting grounds. 
8853  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: November 03, 2008, 08:00:51 PM

Quote from: coopasonic on November 03, 2008, 07:36:46 PM

Quote from: Caine on November 03, 2008, 07:30:16 PM

also, take the "lead belly" perk if you plan on exploring.  makes every fire hydrant a low "rad cost" health regeneration station.  biggrin 

Are you playing on a higher difficulty? On Normal, the only time I ate or drank anything was when I was getting irradiated at an NPCs request and it just made it go faster. I relied entirely on stim packs and had over 100 left over when I was done with the game.

oh i have a pretty big stash of those, as well as every other drug too, but i use the hydrants and other water sources when i can as i can radaway the effects.  i keep the stims ready for crippling damage and during firefights.  better to deal with the radiation poisoning (at least until it hurts my stats) then face running out mid battle. 

that said, i haven't had to do much serious healing and only died once very early on.
8854  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 [Hints and Spoilers thread] on: November 03, 2008, 07:49:44 PM

Quote from: Jeff Jones on November 03, 2008, 04:20:38 PM

Tip: F5 is your friend. On the way to delivering Lucy's message, i had 3 random encounters that had racked up some good xp and loot for me, then on my 4th encounter, I came across a flame-thrower wielding Raider who had a dog sidekick. I got tore up in this fight and died, and now have to re-do the trip and lost all the xp and goodies.

Remember to quick-save often.

same thing happened to me the first time i went there.  second time i stalked them from a distance with a hunting rifle and promptly took all three of them out (and their little dog too).  great early game set piece imo. 

also, i have found that that location does get repopulated as i was passing by that same area and found more raiders to snipe (i call them experience balloons, as that's what i get when i make their head pop)  icon_twisted


about the house:

buy the nuka cola machine.  load it up with your cola and see what happens. biggrin
8855  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: November 03, 2008, 07:30:16 PM
one thing i found out last night regarding your house.

Spoiler for Hiden:
buy the nuka cola machine.  it doubles the health from a bottle by cooling it.  definitely worth the effort and if you combine that with a high medicine rank and the book from moira and you won't need to stock up on random crappy radiated groceries.


also, take the "lead belly" perk if you plan on exploring.  makes every fire hydrant a low "rad cost" health regeneration station.  biggrin 

i get so little time to play compared to some of you (my god, finished in ~30 hours?!  i have half of that) and just made it through the gnr building.  man what a cool set of battles.  really leaves a good impression on you of the BoS' abilities.  one question though, i didn't get the killing shot on the big guy.  frown  no xp for me.  does that break the ach for me? 

also, i have over 500 ammo for the assault rifle and over 150 for the hunting rifle, and i only rarely buy any.  vats and checking every body/building for ammo crates helps. 

was up around arefu (sp?) and saw the aftermath of an outcast vs deathclaw battle.  nasty mean those things are.  i was following along with Lucky the trader and saw it run up on him after dispatching a raider.  before you could say "duck!", his head flew into orbit.  both i and the trader's guard opened up on him.  one of us took it's head off.  Lucky had quite the stash on him, too bad none of it was able to keep him alive.  got his hat, money, and weapons.  also got a key, although i don't know what for.  i grabbed another claw from the beast, and found 2 raiders, and 2 BoS outcasts in full armor.  those are back at my house along with their energy weapons.  pretty good haul for a scavenger.  it make me wary about facing deathclaws on my own though.  this thing took out 2 supposedly well trained and equipped soldiers and i saw it take out two others in a very short time.  not sure if it was purely coincidental, but it happened at pretty much the same spot i saw another melee fracas with the exact same combatants (minus the trader, who was a different one who bought it) earlier in the game.
8856  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 -- DL content on: November 03, 2008, 06:55:09 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on November 03, 2008, 04:26:47 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on November 03, 2008, 02:26:23 PM

The better question is: When's FO4 coming out?  I'm thinking January 2009. Get on it, Kathode.

no, they have to get Elder Scrolls V out before Hetz starts stalking them again  icon_wink

in spring 2010 baby!!!

it would follow the schedule they seem to have set with this.  biggest question is, which province do they do now?  they should go west again. 
8857  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 Collectors guide on: November 03, 2008, 06:51:39 PM
got it two days after release through amazon with some lucky shipping i suppose.  after i read up on the stats and everything, i restarted my character.  i also have my character path planned out and what perks i intend to pick.  very useful.  i have also checked a few things after i passed a mission to see how differently i could have done it as i don't intend to replay it all the way through for some time. 
8858  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (11/03) on: November 03, 2008, 06:43:27 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on November 03, 2008, 03:39:12 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on November 03, 2008, 03:38:49 PM

My wallet is going to be shouting....

in joy.

nothing for me this week.

Burn the heretic!

i guess i am also kindling.  nothing for me either.  missed out on the first gow's mp and never really got into it nor resistance 1's sp, so despite how cool these both look, i am passing. 

besides, i still have barely scratched the surface in fallout, only done the tutorial missions in far cry 2, still have the last third of the fable to finish, and 2/3rds of saints row 2.  not to mention the dirty looks i have from buying the big guide and vaultboy lunchbox from the wife.
8859  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Is it just because I live in a 'battleground state' or...? on: October 31, 2008, 09:02:56 PM

Quote from: rickfc on October 31, 2008, 07:56:39 PM

Quote from: Gratch on October 31, 2008, 07:38:57 PM

I suppose that's the one advantage to living in the reddest state in the Union.  Haven't received a single robo-call or mailing, and the TV advertising has been extremely minimal.

Yeah, I live in Texas, so calls have been non-existent.  The ads on the other hand, are out of control.  I was watching the news last night, and every commercial in the first two breaks were political ads.

as one living in a guaranteed blue state, we haven't had any political calls either.  they know not to bother with the national election and the local candidates haven't bothered to go that route.
8860  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 Impressions PC Edition on: October 31, 2008, 07:42:33 PM

Quote from: Daehawk on October 31, 2008, 06:25:40 PM

Im tinking of re rolling my guy. I can only do 2 sots in VATS witht he 10mm pistol then have to wait on it to recarge. That seems patetic.

EDIT: In character creation what stats are safe to lower to get more free points? Im thinking carisma because I dont care if people like me..ill just soot their face off smile and Luck because the way the game is made tere can not be any rare encounters like there was in  the first 2 games..unless you encounter stuff in fast travel mode.

i took a long read through of the stats/skills and perks before deciding to reload and respec.  makes a world of difference instead of just rolling up what sounds good. 

this is what i took.  luck is still at 5 because of it's effect on critical hits and my focus on sm weapons potentially making later fights harder due to less damage
S4 P7 E5 C6 I6 A7 L5
8861  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 [Hints and Spoilers thread] on: October 31, 2008, 07:34:27 PM

Quote from: Arkon on October 31, 2008, 12:23:29 AM

Quote from: Turtle on October 30, 2008, 10:06:02 PM

Well, I just repaired the combat shotgun and the damage jumped back up 6 points.  It wasn't that low on condition though, at least not that I could tell.  Hopefully it works better.

If you can get the schematic for the Rail gun I highly recommend it.  I am taking out super mutants in 1-2 headshots, the big mutant freaks of nature take 4 shots.  There is something very exhilarating about seeing a railroad spike take off a guys head and spike it to a wall.  If you catch someone by a wall you can spike them to it supposedly even if it doesn't kill them.

i need to find those schematics.  sounds like great fun and i already have most of the parts and a good supply of rails too. 
8862  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: October 31, 2008, 07:30:09 PM

Quote from: olaf on October 31, 2008, 04:28:18 PM

Quote from: Caine on October 28, 2008, 08:14:28 PM

yeah, i have to agree with you there SL.  of course, i missed something while going through it (lockpicking) and of course, you don't have to redo it unless you want to thanks to the respec option, so it's not too much a pita.

What are you referring to here?  I did find an item in the intro that required 50 lockpick but that seemed impossible at the time?  I guess maybe not if you it tagged, maxed its SPECIAL attribute and were wearing that item that boots pick by five?  Not sure.

it wasn't that one, but the other easy lock you find along the way. 

played through the super duper mart last night.  damn what a fine moment of gaming that was.  the power of a stalker picking off raiders from a distance with that hunting rifle was just awesome to experience.  i did find it much easier to do without vats though, but they weren't swarming me either, just standing guard. 

boom, headshot.  biggrin

also took down both of the super muties near the cinema after being caught unawares and while i was fending off a demon dog.  downed a few stims and also started down the path of addiction to the +dmg drug.  mighty nice  hit you have there, even if the let down is harsh.  took out one with a combo of lucky grenade and smg crippling his arm.  his minigun friend is bigger than he is smart and left himself be led around the trees while i pumped shotgun rounds into his arms and torso.  too bad i have no use for the minigun, but it did make my wallet bigger.

i stumbled upon a scavenger and promptly blew his brains all over the lake he was standing in.  oops, negative karma for me, but at least i got some good loot.  maybe i should ask questions first next time.  slywink

can't wait to go back. 
8863  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 Impressions PC Edition on: October 30, 2008, 10:19:57 PM

Quote from: Jeff Jones on October 30, 2008, 10:11:46 PM

My Fallout 3 Special Edition hardcover strat guide arrived today.

In a word:  awesome  thumbsup  thumbsup

+1 to this.  got mine the other day (thank god for faster than average 3 day shipping) and it was immediately useful as i went back and changed a few things in the intro and remade my stats.  i also got out much better prepared this time around.  i have really only used it for the character building stuff at this point and seeing what the area i was exploring may have had after i left it.  being a hardback book also helps it lay flat on the side table i have when i play.  the sheer volume of stuff in this guide makes me very happy about the game's longevity.
8864  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: What happens if McCain somehow wins? on: October 30, 2008, 08:55:33 PM
if mccain wins i fully expect to see riots on tv which make the LA riots over rodney king look like a drunken college football town after a big win. 

oddly enough, i also wonder what kinds of stuff will get passed with dems controlling 2/3rds of government.  one of the reasons i am seriously considering voting republican for local seats and congress. 
8865  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 24 Season 7 Trailer: "You Will Stay Dead This Time!" on: October 30, 2008, 08:42:53 PM

Quote from: LoneStarSpur on October 30, 2008, 03:11:36 PM

Quote from: rickfc on October 30, 2008, 02:32:15 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on October 30, 2008, 02:16:23 PM

Quote from: rickfc on October 30, 2008, 10:36:23 AM

That would have been kind of cool had the sound worked.   icon_confused

Quote from: CeeKay on October 30, 2008, 07:14:48 AM

I wonder if one whole episode is going to be Jack strutting around in a suit like the 'model' shots in the trailer....


It looked like a bad David Caruso impression.  Tongue

at least he wasn't taking off his sunglasses every shot...

No, but he did in at least one or two.  That's enough for me.
But did he tilt his head dramatically and *then* take off the sunglasses?

keifer doing a bad horation caine impersonation would kick ass. 
8866  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: One of those questions... on: October 30, 2008, 08:40:55 PM

Quote from: Jimmy the Fish on October 29, 2008, 11:27:03 PM

The problem is that once you hit 88 mph, you time warp back to 1956. Then you're screwed.  icon_lol

that's one year too late.  marty, we need to go back......








to the future!
8867  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Knightshade Tonsilectomy on: October 30, 2008, 08:34:29 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on October 29, 2008, 03:27:14 PM

Dilaudid is a powerful drug.

8868  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: October 30, 2008, 08:24:06 PM

Quote from: hepcat on October 30, 2008, 08:02:07 PM

When I look out over the landscape, I wish to see only miles and miles of prostitutes accompanied by scores of men who look just like Huggy Bear. 

...at least in Chicago, I can get that.

and hey, it's already a wasteland too.  no need for a bomb there.




i keed, i keed.
8869  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: October 30, 2008, 07:41:03 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on October 30, 2008, 12:11:38 PM

So how many weapons are people carrying around...

Melee Weapon: Basbeball Bat
Handgun: 10mm pistol, 10 mm submachine pistol and Laser gun
Rifle: Hunting Rifle & Chinese Assualt Rifle.   


I'm thinking I have too many weapons on hand, but I'm ultra careful being new to the wasteland

per my character, i am sticking with:
10mm pistol, replaced when i find a better dmg pistol
assault rifle
combat shotgun
hunting rifle
baseball bat, although i plan on retiring it before it breaks on me.
8870  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 Impressions PC Edition on: October 30, 2008, 07:33:12 PM

Quote from: Arkon on October 30, 2008, 07:03:28 PM

Quote from: Caine on October 30, 2008, 07:02:27 PM

Quote from: Arkon on October 30, 2008, 03:51:54 PM

I would just like to state....I now have Dogmeat following me around!

 icon_lol

i haven't read this definitively, but do you need the perk to get him as a companion?  i restarted last night with that one in mind, just in case, but i haven't looked through the massive guide to see (avoiding any spoilers).  that guide did help me redesign my character though and i have had more fun since doing so all blind before.

No perk needed, just have to find him, and won't spoil the rest of it for you unless someone asks.

thanks arkon.  that frees up a perk point.  i still may have 1 point in it, but i think i can handle not having cinderella's mutant army back me up with every chance encounter near their grazing spot. 
8871  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 [Hints and Spoilers thread] on: October 30, 2008, 07:26:48 PM
without turning up another thread on this, i'm kind of curious how everyone is building their character up.  

i went S4 P7 E5 C6 I6 A7 L5 with Small arms, repair and lockpicking as my tagged skills and am building up for a conventional small arms user, with enhanced criticals and a few other perks for survivalist.  i'll have the list up later, but i need a clarification.  19 perk points or 20?  i count 19 as you don't get one for level 1, but knowing this for a fact will help.  

i need to check my list at home as i have forgotten which ones i scrapped and have more perks than i have points.  

also, does dogmeat require the animal friend perk to befriend?  that makes a huge difference to me and i respec'ed my character with that perk in mind.  arkon answered this, and you do not need it.  i think i have a good and viable build now.

my perk plan.  designed partly for my main combat profession and the benefits of increased skill points which will go into my secondaries, sneak and possibly energy weapons.  depending on how good the non-powered armor is, i might try to stay out of it and just keep my distance.  there's 9 other perks that could be useful or fun, but this is what i have in mind right now.

Gun Nut    Level 2, IN 4, AG 4    3
Thief    Level 2, AG 4, PE 4    3
Educated    Level 4, IN 4    1
Comprehension    Level 4, IN 4    1
Lead Belly    Level 6, EN 5    1
Gunslinger    Level 6    1
Commando    Level 8    1
Scrounger    Level 8, LK 5    1
Finesse    Level 10    1
Animal Friend    Level 10, CH 6    1
Silent Running    Level 12, AG 6, Sneak 50    1
Sniper    Level 12, AG 6, PE 6    1
Action Boy (Girl)     Level 16, AG 6    1
Better Criticals    Level 16, PE 6, LK 6    1
Grim Reaper's Sprint    Level 20    1
8872  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 Impressions PC Edition on: October 30, 2008, 07:02:27 PM

Quote from: Arkon on October 30, 2008, 03:51:54 PM

I would just like to state....I now have Dogmeat following me around!

 icon_lol

i haven't read this definitively, but do you need the perk to get him as a companion?  i restarted last night with that one in mind, just in case, but i haven't looked through the massive guide to see (avoiding any spoilers).  that guide did help me redesign my character though and i have had more fun since doing so all blind before.
8873  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: October 30, 2008, 06:49:36 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on October 30, 2008, 05:46:28 PM

I dunno. I really became attached to my dad during the opening. To the point where I'm still lugging the bb gun around even though it takes up precious weight...

i have that, the baseball bat, ball and glove with me too, as well as the baseball cap (which actually helps your perception, great for exploring).  i plan on putting all of those things in whatever house i end up using as my main.
8874  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: The Official GT Trader Feedback List (updated 4/08) on: October 30, 2008, 06:31:18 PM
+1   to crumsteel     
+1    to WalkingFumble

both for fast payment.
8875  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 [Hints and Spoilers thread] on: October 30, 2008, 03:01:30 PM
power armor drops must happen pretty commonly:  i've found one outside megaton, near the collapsed overpass.

i saw it go down too, but i didn't know anyone bought it until i crossed over and found the carnage. 1 dead deathclaw, 1 dead sister of the outcasts and 1 dead merchant (drat on this one, i was going to sell him the bandit stuff i had collected)

too bad i'm loaded up to the gils and now need to truck it all back to megaton (or find a better stash i suppose.)  maybe the junkie's house?


8876  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Escapist: Zero Punctuation on: October 30, 2008, 12:40:52 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on October 30, 2008, 12:28:26 AM

ugh.. mandatory mini-games.  Yahtzee just saved me 60 bucks.

they aren't that bad really.  certainly, you aren't pressing a QTE every time you want to hijack a car and for the most part it's mini games in the sense of gta's taxi, cop, or ambulance missions.  they also carried over a number from the first one if you played that.  the new ones are pretty funny and especially in co-op.  nothing too serious though and you don't have to worry too much about qte style stuff or random button mashing.  the one i recall isn't mandatory and can be skipped completey, as really all of the rest can be in favor or gaining respect in other ways.  hate the races, you can skip them.  you also don't have to spend huge chunks of time driving about as most missions are pretty close to their origin and not like gta's "travel about 3/4th of the map and back" missions.

really though, if you liked sr1 and the genre, you can't go wrong with it.  it's better than the first one and mercs 2 and as good in it's way as gta was. 
8877  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: October 29, 2008, 10:39:58 PM

Quote from: kathode on October 29, 2008, 10:28:59 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on October 29, 2008, 10:21:37 PM

but how long could Oblivions main quest be finished in?

The speed record is something like 10 minutes slywink  I find those kinds of measurements are largely useless.  If you tear through the game with blinders on, I suspect you could get through it less than 10 hours.  But how anyone could play that way, particularly on a first run through, completely eludes me.  I seriously doubt anyone playing for enjoyment will be able to finish the main quest in under 20 hours.  Maybe I'll give you 15, but I don't think it would be less than that.  Everyone does play differently though, and I just think there are too many different ways to go about experiencing the game to give a lot of weight to a measurement like that.  There's tons and tons of gameplay in the game - the 450+ page guide should be testament to that smile

10 minutes?! 

geezus, why not just have a big button in the jail cell that pops up "you won. game over" and be done with it. 
8878  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I'm a new dad again!!!!! on: October 29, 2008, 06:54:10 PM
congratulations J.  he's a good looking boy there.  very happy for you man.
8879  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fable II Impressions thread on: October 29, 2008, 06:43:03 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on October 29, 2008, 02:54:52 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on October 29, 2008, 12:30:12 PM

Quote from: Destructor on October 29, 2008, 05:41:38 AM

Having problems charging spells? I have two solutions:

1) Raise Dead. I always kept that on Tier 1. I toss that towards somebody and the AI wants to kill them and generally ignores you.
2) Slow Time. I always kept that on Tier 2. Takes only a second to charge, and between that and Raise Dead, the AI ignores me long enough to easily get a Tier 4 fired off.

The guide recommends both of those with either Inferno or Storm (or whatever the electric one is called) as the primary.  Looking at the stats, I went with electricity.  It seems to do more damage and stuns the enemy.

yeah, I use Slow Time in order to get my level 5 Inferno off.  Last night I made it through the Spire...

Spoiler for Hiden:
where's my 10 years of back rent?  Tongue

also, I read that the seasons change on their own.  has anyone had this happen by just wandering around?

yeah, i was a little bummed about that spoiler too.  at least you could
Spoiler for Hiden:
get a bunch of money back from investing in the thesaurus guy though.  and get a pretty cool little town sprung up as well
8880  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts on: October 29, 2008, 05:54:48 PM
this was on my watch list, but it's been bumped to bargain status in lieu of everything else.  i'll queue up the demo, but i don't think i'll even play it for a while.
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