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8681  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Veteran's Day on: November 11, 2008, 06:37:37 PM
a big thank you to all of you who have served, are serving, or will be serving.  without your commitment, none of this would be possible. 
8682  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: 48 HR XBOX LIVE Code on: November 11, 2008, 01:34:44 AM
i'll pm it to you tomorrow.
8683  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: Circuit City, scavenging the going out of biz sales (was: Fatal Short Circuit) on: November 11, 2008, 01:33:28 AM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on November 10, 2008, 11:08:30 PM

So does this mean they're done?

I have a 10.00 gift card from there... can I still spend it?

i wouldn't wait much longer.  estimates are not good for cc to remain viable beyond the end of the year.  i would use it before they decide to stop honoring them. 
8684  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Call of Duty World at War (360) impressions on: November 11, 2008, 01:14:13 AM

Quote from: USMC Kato on November 11, 2008, 12:49:04 AM

Quote from: pr0ner on November 11, 2008, 12:27:34 AM

Quick MP impressions:

Game is more of the same from COD4.  If you've played the beta, you know what to expect.  One especially neat new map is in a bombed out asylum: lots of tight corridors with some open spaces to boot.

Downside: Only MP game modes available before level 14 are Free For All and Team Deathmatch.  Hardcore is not available until level 18.

WTF? I know it can be fast and easy to level up but what is the reason behind this?

that seems pretty odd.  what about through parties?  
8685  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Call of Duty World at War (360) impressions on: November 10, 2008, 11:59:07 PM

Quote from: Starshifter on November 10, 2008, 10:41:21 PM

Why oh why did I just come home with this game?

I need help.

oh good, you can give us impressions then.  biggrin

i really wonder about the quality of the game when reviews are as locked down as this one is.  no reviews makes me nervous, despite the TRU deal.
8686  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 Impressions PC Edition on: November 10, 2008, 09:11:57 PM

Quote from: Moliere on November 10, 2008, 09:09:33 PM

Quote from: Jag on November 10, 2008, 08:30:53 PM

Also are clipboards worth anything? Like Financial Clipboard, etc.

They can be used as ammo for the Rock-It Launcher. One of the issues I've always had with the Rock-It Launcher (besides the constant noise) is having to give up weight in your inventory for ammo. So far Pre-War Money is the only item I've found that can be used as ammo and that also doesn't weigh anything. I know you can sell it for a decent return at a vendor, but seriously folks you don't need the caps that bad if you want to play with the Rock-It Launcher. Making money is easy in this game. Just start stocking up on Pre-War Money as you're playing until you build the Launcher.

Do the Garden Gnomes have any extra significance or value?

i thought so at first, but i think it's more of a free form idea to collect them all and put em in your house.  i haven't bothered to keep any of them though, even the pristine ones.  would make a funny projectile though, i guess.  the idea that you can hurt someone with a dollar bill rolled up is pretty odd though.
8687  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 Impressions PC Edition on: November 10, 2008, 08:48:32 PM
and the 'librarian' is very interested in getting her hands on them.  i have made over 2 grand already in much less time than it took me to earn it the old fashioned way.

i had almost 1900 before, so now i can afford to get the house upgrades and a theme myself.  

Quote from: Tokek on November 10, 2008, 08:15:53 PM

Found something cool this weekend when I was playing.  Was exploring and found a ledge with a motorcycle parked near it.  There's a box half buried by the ledge and it contains a recording and a chinese gun.  Apparently, someone committed suicide there and left the note, bike and the gun for his brother (I think it was his brother) and when I looked down, I saw the blood splatter and his skeleton.

Pretty nice touch.

earlier i posted that nathaniel had died of apparently buggy causes ala walter and the other accident prone megaton residents.  last night i ran into his wife and now i'm not so sure.  she was sad about his passing.  she didn't mention his pockets being looted though, so i think i'm in the clear.  paranoid icon_twisted
8688  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: Circuit City, scavenging the going out of biz sales (was: Fatal Short Circuit) on: November 10, 2008, 08:39:48 PM
filing for chapter 11

seems their vendors are having commitment issues and won't sell them goods on credit.  if you happen to work at any of the still open stores, i would suggest you start applying to best buy as that's where the business will go. 

so long cc.  i never really had a problem with you, but you always seemed to be out of stock of whatever it was i wanted anyways. 
8689  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie[ UP! .....Pixar's new one on: November 10, 2008, 08:06:10 PM
maybe when wall-e hits dvd. 

i must be the only one who likes bugs life more than every other pixar movie except incredibles.  not sure why, but it just had a charm that the others haven't had.
8690  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: TRU: 15.00 Gift Card with purchase of COD5 W@W. on: November 10, 2008, 07:59:58 PM
and there goes my resolve to wait on a rental.   

 crybaby for my wallet.
8691  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: 360 games for $10 each. 1 left! on: November 10, 2008, 07:58:16 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on November 08, 2008, 03:45:56 AM

Heh, I think the lesson here is not to put commentary next to the game name or it won't sell.  slywink

yup.  oh well, it was the dark horse of the list anyways.  maybe i should change the commentary to "now, 8 bucks!"
8692  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: 48 HR XBOX LIVE Code on: November 10, 2008, 07:56:29 PM
i still have one as well.
8693  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (11/10) on: November 10, 2008, 07:52:44 PM

Quote from: PeteRock on November 10, 2008, 07:46:27 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on November 10, 2008, 06:46:03 PM

Pete, I have five words for you.

Four player co-op vs. nazi zombies



i know man.  i know.  that right there was almost the tipping point, but my experience in the mp beta has told me what i needed to know.  it's basically what everyone wanted/expected.  cod4's mp with ww2. 

damnitall.  i am 4/10ths on the fence again.  if i saw any specials on this one, i just might get it as well.

and i just saw the tru deal.  consider this one a go. 
8694  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 Impressions PC Edition on: November 10, 2008, 07:47:33 PM
daehawk, it seems like you may not need this tip anymore, but i found a really good source of income:  pre war books.  pick up every one you can find.  every time.  when you get to the library, you will make a lot of money from them.  best weight to cap ratio i have noticed and pretty easy to find.  not only that, but there's 11 of the things in close proximity to the library.

i left this vaguely specific in case you want to discover it on your own.
8695  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Shaun White Snowboarding? on: November 10, 2008, 07:36:55 PM

Quote from: coopasonic on November 10, 2008, 01:59:28 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on November 09, 2008, 10:56:52 PM

I was more a fan of Amped than SSX, so this looks like it should be right up my alley. 

I'll take it to the next level and say Amped 2 was the peak and Amped 3 was a disappointment. Anyhow, I'm very interested in hearing impressions on this one.

bad-dum-dum!

i really liked what i read about sws in the previews and the potential for balance board support and especially about target's bonus material.  now that i'm looking at a packed gaming season, i really have to wait on this one.  this looks like it could be to snowboarding what burnout paradise was to racing games.  big open mountain with areas to freestyle and challenges around. 

i didn't play as much of it, but ssx3 did this pretty well i think too. 
8696  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Tell me how bad Blacksite Area 51 is. on: November 10, 2008, 07:32:15 PM
i'll dig up the impressions thread if you like, but i got this in a rental right after launch last year and it was very much a last gen game in pretty much every way.  basic guns with no bells and whistles, annoying 'edgy' ai buddies who never die, never do much except keep enemies attention, but still provide a required service as only they can open special doors, mediocre graphics, boring gameplay all around (imho), and a cliched story that veers into the worst plot c@#kpunch (basically, it promises one thing and never delivers, which is the primary subject implied by the title).  it doesn't help that the first level looks like it could have been a ps2 level with it's obvious fake tunnel feel down a boring and dull canyon.  wrap it up with a stupid puzzle style end boss (again, cliched) and mp which was (as in, nobody should be playing this now), laggy, small level design, and mockingly bad old school feel. 

the worst part of it happens when you get to the level in the demo and realize that it's pretty much the best level in the game and the best part from that level.  what could have been a very cool x-com vibe fps ends up a generic fps with little to redeem itself. 

can you tell i was disappointed?  slywink  the only reason i played through was to find out how deep the crap lined rabbit hole went and warn others away. 
8697  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: November 10, 2008, 07:19:04 PM

Quote from: Roscoe on November 10, 2008, 07:04:15 PM

Quote from: kathode on November 10, 2008, 06:55:07 PM


Laughed quite a lot. Wonder, could you VATS a guy in mid-air? Would be very cruel I guess.

i have with the shotgun.  pretty funny to watch them fall back like that.  especially deathclaws, although their hide is tough enough to survive a point blank headshot.  i also hear you can vats target grenades mid air.  never been in a position to use that myself.
8698  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: November 10, 2008, 07:17:03 PM

Quote from: Destructor on November 09, 2008, 01:59:47 AM

Quote from: ChaoZ on November 08, 2008, 11:25:19 PM

I'm really having a hard time with ammo in the game. Maybe I'm just wasting a lot of shots outside of VATS. Doesn't help that ammo sold is usually a cap a bullet. Or maybe it's because I've put the main quest on hold and am just wandering a bit.

Yeah, I had a problem too until I picked up the Perk that increases the amount of ammo you find in containers and such. Early on, firing outside of VATS tends to be a rather severe drain on your ammo, simply because you can't pinpoint things like limbs and heads (which causes more damage per bullet). As your skill increases though, you'll be able to get away with avoiding VATS more and more. I still use it more often than not simply because it's just so damn cool to watch.

Other things to keep in mind - constantly rotate weapons. As far as Small Guns go, there's like 6 different kinda of ammo for it. Also try to avoid using ammo on creatures that never carry any. Obviously there will be times you'll want a gun against the insects of the world, but a fist (or sledgehammer) tends to work quite well. Also (obviously) keep your weapon 'health' up by Repairing everything you can get your hands on. More damage per shot.

maybe it's just lucky collecting or maybe my ocd-level scrounging, but at level 12 i have tons of ammo for every weapon, even ones i never plan on using and i haven't bought any except .308 since the very beginning.  i mean over 600 rounds of 5.56, 150 x.32, 500 rds 10mm, 150 rds shotgun and hundreds of rounds for the flamer, railroad and dart weapon, and quite a few energy cells for every weapon.  explored pretty much most of the SE map (5, 8, W side of the potomac in 9 for you guide owners.  imagine the map cordoned off like a phone keypad, non owners) and only gone as far as gnr and a visit to rivet city in the main quests.  

small arms is over 80 due to pickups and 2x gun nut, as is repair and lockpicking.  my secondaries are in the 50-ish range.  found 5 bobbleheads and 30 or so skill books + 1 quest perk.  

i have been having a lot of success with sneaking and real time hunting rifle head shots.  you can pinpoint limbs outside of vats btw.  i've taken off many raider's heads that way.  also gimped a few too, especially those ones who run up while i have my shotgun handy.  i favor the hunting rifle for initial combat, swap to combat shotgun in close up.  silenced 10mm for those special occasions inside buildings when i can tackle enemies alone.  even with low damage, you can still get lucky and the sneak bonus always helps.  chinese assault rifle for outdoor vs big nasties and when i'm going for crippling shots outside good shotgun range.  

vats usage is about 75% of the time as it just makes combat easier to manage.  i just wish you could move and change weapons during it so you could start with a grenade and follow up with something else.
8699  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Call of Duty World at War (360) impressions on: November 10, 2008, 06:47:27 PM
not only are there too many games to play, but the bundle of good mp games makes it harder to pick the right one while the mp is hot.  hell, i haven't even decided if i will get one due to my current addiction to fo3.  so, potentially, no mp at all for me  saywhat
8700  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (11/10) on: November 10, 2008, 06:38:27 PM
nada. 

thank the gods for that one.

although i do want to play mirrors edge and cod:waw eventually.  which adds to the eventual backlog of gow2, lbp, and a handful of portable games for both dusty handhelds. 

i still have to finish the last 4 games i bought and am really not getting enough time to finish. 
8701  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: November 07, 2008, 08:52:48 PM

Quote from: coopasonic on November 07, 2008, 08:48:01 PM

Quote from: farley2k on November 07, 2008, 08:39:16 PM

At 15 points each level that means only 300 points - so only 3 skills maxed out.  Now there are some perks, books, etc. which can add extra points so that isn't exact but it does give you something to think about. 

If you have 10 int plus the perk that gives you 3 extra sp per level, that's 23 per level and then with the comprehension perk you get 2 skillpoints for each book and there are 25 books for each skill for 50 skill points plus a bobblehead for each skill worth 10 skill points... this means there's a lot of skill points to be had if you are truly obsessed.  icon_twisted

definitely.  and get that int bobblehead early on and you can bump it up even more.  save your books until you get comprehension and it's 50 points per skill, assuming you can find every one. 

you also start with each skill at 15, so it's really easy (in theory) to max out more than just your primary and two major skills.  repair is totally invaluable regardless which weapon you go with, and still useful for unarmed as you end up getting shot at much more than a ranged fighter would. 
8702  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: 360 games for $10 each. Conan, Samurai Warriors Empires 2 added on: November 07, 2008, 08:44:54 PM

Quote from: Farscry on November 07, 2008, 08:28:57 PM

Samurai Warriors Empires 2, that's the one with the turn-based strategy portion and you fight the battles in real-time action, right? If so, I'd like to snag that one. smile

[edit]Yeah, it's the one I thought it was. Definitely in for that for $10!

all yours.  pm incoming with paypal addy.
8703  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 Impressions PC Edition on: November 07, 2008, 08:21:51 PM

Quote from: Daehawk on November 07, 2008, 08:05:56 PM

3 questions...............

1. Ive heard of a vault between Megaton and that Aerf or whatever town thats on the bridge. Is that true? I cant find it.

2. Whats a good way to make money??? I carry all the loot I can and sell it all over and over but after buying stims, ammo, and repairing my stuff I NEVER have any spare caps for buying anything like scematics or house items.

3. Can someone give me a hint where I run into Dogmeat? I could look it up but dont want a total spoiler on exactly  where and how to get him..just a hint. Thnx.

1.  don't know, haven't found it yet, but i can look when i get home.
2.  all bandit armor repairs other bandit armor so you can make some decent money that way.  wear clothing with + to barter when you sell to make a few extra caps.  scavenge everything and you can find some lying around.  you also get one whenever you drink a cola. 
3.  same answer as #1.
8704  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: November 07, 2008, 07:59:20 PM

Quote from: Xmann on November 07, 2008, 07:45:32 PM

ok, got a couple general questions i need to get cleared up before i get too far.   i just hit level 5 and thus far i'm just choosing skills i like to put my points into.   however, should i just concentrate on one weapon skill or is it ok to go between 2?   for example, i've been splitting alot of my points between small arms and heavy weapons.   am i spreading myself too thin or is this ok?

also, how does picking locks work?   is there a trick to how far to turn the pin and lock?   i haven't been able to pick anything because my pins always break.   is there a trick or feel to it i'm missing?

the guide recommends picking a primary and secondary weapon skill so you don't get tied down to one weapon type later on and putting the majority of your points into your primary until it's around 75 or so as that gets you a great % to hit in vats, then bringing up your secondary.  why not 100%, you ask?  because you can find skill books, skill related bobbleheads (both s.p.e.c.i.a.l. stats and skill stats) and increases due to armor bonuses and perks, but you don't get a bonus above 100.  i haven't confirmed in my game yet, but that's what i read in there somewhere.  of course, if you are finding big weapons and the ammo to make them useful, then you might be inclined to keep that stat raising rather than holding off until later.  my energy weapons skill is too low to really make them worthwhile right now, but i haven't had a huge # of weapons that rely on it anyway, so it's not a big thing yet.

as for lockpicking, kathode had a great post on it in the pc hints and tricks thread.  basically, you want to bend the pin to one side, check the lock with the screwdriver slowly, and adjust depending on how far you went.  if you take it slowly, you can usually get 3 attempts per pick before they snap.
8705  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: 360 games for $10 each. Conan, Samurai Warriors Empires 2 added on: November 07, 2008, 07:39:36 PM
cool.  glad you got it.  great game and very enjoyable.
8706  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: The Official GT Trader Feedback List (updated 4/08) on: November 07, 2008, 07:20:36 PM
+1 to azhag for fast payment on a couple of 360 games.
8707  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 - Spoilers thread on: November 07, 2008, 06:47:50 PM
i got jumped by a band of mercs after fast traveling to marigold station.  kind of jolting actually and considering i usually go into the wastelands with my hunting rifle, not a good moment for me.  not sure who sicc'ed them on me, as i got ganked pretty quickly and couldn't get out of there and they didn't say who their employer was. 

it wasn't burke though, unless his decapitated head managed to send a message to them from moriarty's bar.   icon_twisted

it could also be that i went into one of their camps and wasted 3 of their buddies and stole their equipment too. 

i spend most of last night exploring from megaton to rivet city and sneaking past mutants.  now that i know where i need to go next, i intend on taking the road more traveled and wiping them out too. 
8708  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Godfather II on: November 07, 2008, 06:42:49 PM
it's not too bad.  not over the top like i was expecting based on SL's response. 
8709  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: November 07, 2008, 06:28:13 PM

Quote from: PeteRock on November 07, 2008, 04:47:30 PM


I'm not going to get anything done today.

so, business as usual then? 


slywink
8710  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Activision turning into old EA on: November 06, 2008, 11:53:14 PM

Quote from: gellar on November 06, 2008, 08:13:44 PM

Quote from: Caine on November 06, 2008, 07:51:07 PM

Quote from: gellar on November 06, 2008, 07:36:52 PM

Yeah fuck those guys for trying to make money.

gellar

it's not that they are out to make money, it's that that's the primary reason for making a game.  "if it's not going to be a blockbuster, then we won't touch it.  if it isn't from a premade IP, then it can't sell well"  that's the kind of limited thinking i hate.

if activision were in charge of it, dead space and mirror's edge would have been canned.  you could name quite a few good games this year which activision would likely have canned as well. 

bad games fit that category too, but just because a new ip fails (too human, lair, haze) doesn't mean that every new ip will too. 

If you don't think the primary reason to make or publish a game is to make money... I don't really know what to say to you.

gellar

alrighty then, only reason, not primary.  of course it's the biggest reason.  i still think it's shortsighted to always play the safe bet and never take risks.  don't go all crazy over an unknown with huge buckets of money, but don't dump out every unknown just because it might not spawn a dozen sequels.  sequels sell, and sell well, but so do original IP's when given the chance and not pushed out the door early. 
8711  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 - Spoilers thread on: November 06, 2008, 10:49:03 PM
i think this time i will not be using an ally except for dogmeat.  next round though, as an evil manipulative female, i intend to have jericho pal around with me. 

it really depends on how effective i can be in a fight against the big guys though.  if i get stuck into a bad situation, then i'll enlist help.
8712  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: November 06, 2008, 10:31:13 PM
no kidding pug, it's not like that quest is a game breaker if you leave it unfinished either.  hell, i did for about the first 5 hours until i decided what kind of person i as going to become.  iirc, as soon as my explosives skill was high enough, i could in fact work on the bomb, and the sheriff even gives you a lead to increase your skills if you tell him.  in the meantime, i:

scouted out a grocery store and took out a band of raiders camped inside,
wandered through an abandoned town and met a drug addicted prostitute,
stumbled into fight with two powerful mutants and came out on top, despite being outgunned,
dove into underground metro tunnels and into a major battle searching for my dad,
slaughtered dozens of raiders and looted their corpses for stuff that was actually useful,
witnessed an unscripted battle between a nasty mutant and a bunch of armored soldiers,
found myself in the middle of a '50's monster movie and saved a kid,

and everything else i have done since that point which could have been done before dealing with the bomb.


-removed what could be construed as a snarky comment.  i intend no offense to anyone who doesn't regard fo3 as highly as i do.
8713  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: how do they know? on: November 06, 2008, 08:26:57 PM

Quote from: Razgon on November 06, 2008, 07:20:22 PM

heh, thats actualy funny, I got this one



europe's canada?

you know you can hide that little ip thing, right? slywink
8714  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do you prefer stategy or luck? on: November 06, 2008, 07:52:50 PM

Quote from: The Grue on November 06, 2008, 07:50:33 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on November 06, 2008, 07:48:38 PM

I prefer luck.  of course with good luck comes bad luck, like mispelling strategy in the thread title  Tongue

Or misspelling misspelling?

ha ha!

/nelson
8715  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Activision turning into old EA on: November 06, 2008, 07:51:07 PM

Quote from: gellar on November 06, 2008, 07:36:52 PM

Yeah fuck those guys for trying to make money.

gellar

it's not that they are out to make money, it's that that's the primary reason for making a game.  "if it's not going to be a blockbuster, then we won't touch it.  if it isn't from a premade IP, then it can't sell well"  that's the kind of limited thinking i hate.

if activision were in charge of it, dead space and mirror's edge would have been canned.  you could name quite a few good games this year which activision would likely have canned as well. 

bad games fit that category too, but just because a new ip fails (too human, lair, haze) doesn't mean that every new ip will too. 
8716  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Pick Two on: November 06, 2008, 07:43:32 PM
good choice.  i have put a bit of time into fo3 and barely any into fc2, and a lot into fable 2.  dead space is on the list though.

fallout is far more enjoyable at this point than fc2 and fable is fun and very likable.  i happen to like fallout more than fable though, and i really like fable. 
8717  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Activision turning into old EA on: November 06, 2008, 07:35:59 PM
sadly, this is the path that blizzard has been on for more than 10 years, WoW being the sole exception, genre wise.  they both need to get off their butts and put new stuff out there or eventually we'll just burn out on their games.  
8718  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 impressions thread on: November 06, 2008, 07:01:23 PM
as long as the random npc doesn't affect my questing, then i can live with a few random deaths in the context of the game. 

i ran into two bugs last night after stealing 3 skill books from a scavenger (what, they were there and she wasn't selling, and i have a jonesing for learning now) and fell into a space along a freeway wall.  i couldn't get out and couldn't shoot anyone either.  reload.  i forgot to equip my good armor and took a ton of damage from her rocket so i reloaded again and it froze when i hit the button.  damn, full restart.  i hadn't played more than 45 minutes at this point, so i really hope it's not an early sign of another rrod. 

i found andale and that town just creeps me out.  not sure why, but everyone is just happy go lucky and not obviously crazy like the wife in arefu.
8719  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What I <3 about Fallout 3. (spoilers?) on: November 06, 2008, 06:55:52 PM

Quote from: jament on November 06, 2008, 06:39:00 PM

I love that I don't have to play by the rules.  Sure, lots of open-ended games tell you that you don't have to do the main or side quests but if you don't, you're penalized and don't see a lot of the content.  So far at least, there have been several quests that I've just ignored, short-circuited or done my way (pickpocket, headshots or grenades) and I haven't felt penalized or that I'm going to miss out on something.

Really lets me RP the way I want to instead of how the designers thought I should, and I appreciate that.

i agree completely.  although some people say it's pretty black and white, i see it differently.  sure, there are some definite decisions you can make which are wholly evil, but there are so many other little places where you can take the middle ground or have a mix of good and bad and still complete the quest.  if only more games gave you the option as they do here.  

fo3 has taken the #1 spot for this year and probably this generation, at least for me. 
8720  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 ships 4.7 million copies on: November 06, 2008, 06:48:36 PM
congratulations to kathode and all of the beth team behind fo3.  it really is the goty and it's great to see it doing so well.
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