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161  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3,360,PS4,XB1,PC] Grand Theft Auto V on: January 24, 2015, 03:41:01 PM
Elders Play GTA V

Both hilarious and fascinating.
162  Gaming / Portable Gaming & Apps / Re: Leo's fortune on iOS. on: January 24, 2015, 03:38:25 PM
I have played this, and it's good.

There's something I find off-putting about the character, though.  I think it's the mustache.
163  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Far Cry 4 on: January 24, 2015, 12:59:50 AM

Quote from: Teggy on January 24, 2015, 12:20:25 AM

No way, he's great. If you can't laugh at jokes about taking a dump, what can you laugh at?

It's not really the subject matter so much as the delivery.  He's terrible.
164  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Far Cry 4 on: January 23, 2015, 11:38:19 PM
I'm back into playing this after a little break.  I really like the game, but it's going to have to be played in short bursts for one reason alone: Rabi Ray Rana.  That fucking Radio Free Kyrat DJ.

I find every goddamned thing he says annoying as living hell.  It was bad enough when he was just on the radio, but then he starts giving you missions, and he does this thing that he clearly finds funny and charming but is really just more face-punch fodder.  He finishes giving you the mission over the walkie and then rambles for ten minutes about literally nothing. And then he makes a joke about how he's doing that thing again where he rambles and the whole time he's being "charmingly apologetic" you're screaming at the TV and telling him to shut. the. fuck. up.

One time it was something about assholes.  It wasn't about people who are assholes, but actual assholes.  He has also paid me a complement where he has wished for the sun to shine on my asshole.  What the fuck is his deal with assholes?  I don't like to really think about them at the best of times, but this douchebag is squeezing them into compliments where they just don't fit.

Honestly, he makes it really hard to keep playing.  One of these days I may have to shove a radio up his asshole and see how he feels about them then.
165  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Danger 5 on: January 23, 2015, 12:41:08 PM
Danger 5 is coming to Netflix on February 6!
166  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Windows 10 - Xbox One features on: January 23, 2015, 12:24:06 PM

Quote from: Lee on January 22, 2015, 08:13:54 PM

Regardless of home user upgrade rate, they have to support older versions of Windows for years because of the enterprise side of the business. Big corporations/government don't upgrade their OS quickly, so I don't see support is a reason.

I was wondering about this, too.  A free upgrade would save big companies bajillions, but I just don't see them rocking the IT boat that hard.  None the less, I imagine MS will put pressure on and/or entice them to do so.  Maybe an impending drop of support for older OSes will prompt faster change.
167  Gaming / Analog Gaming / Re: Cthulhu Wars (Board game) [Picture Heavy Warning] on: January 23, 2015, 12:19:43 PM
I finished reading the instructions last night.  Very simple ruleset.  The complications come from the spellbooks and getting the spellbooks and knowing what your faction can do (to get the spellbooks).  Still not complicated, but it is layered and a-symmetrical.  However, it's going to make playing 2-player (2 factions each) a bit of a chore, I think.
168  Gaming / Analog Gaming / Re: Cthulhu Wars (Board game) [Picture Heavy Warning] on: January 22, 2015, 08:56:22 PM
Mine is in the house.  Now to find time to play.  I may have to make my daughter try a 2 player version, even though that's not the ideal way to play.

It wasn't packed great, and I guess a few of them have damaged components, but mine seems okay, apart from a little misshapeness on the sexy box.  Even the Old Ones Storage tray is sexy on this thing.  A really thick, smoky plastic.  It'll be a shame to lose that when all the expansion stuff starts pouring in.  Seriously, I don't know where I'm going to store it.

I know the expansions are still down the road a bit.  Are the nice gates and 1st player markers coming with those?  I kinda wish I at least had the gates at this point.
169  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Re: Re: Windows 10 - Xbox One features on: January 22, 2015, 06:29:58 PM

Quote from: Scraper on January 22, 2015, 03:47:53 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 22, 2015, 02:50:46 PM

Quote from: TiLT on January 22, 2015, 12:03:16 PM

Quote from: Pyperkub on January 22, 2015, 11:59:39 AM

Quote from: Caine on January 21, 2015, 10:41:13 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 21, 2015, 10:24:26 PM

Am I reading right that everyone using Windows 7 or 8 gets Windows 10 free??

yup.  now we just need to decide if it's worth it, given what they are saying about Windows as a Service related fees ala office 365

Haven't seen anything about fees - do you have a reference link or is this an  assumption?

Sent from my One using Tapatalk

I don't think they stated it outright, but it was strongly implied if nothing else. It also fits neatly into the vision Microsoft has of becoming a company for services, not products.

They literally stated it outright.

This has the potential to be really great or really bad. It could go bad if the "free" upgrade version is a neutered version with important features missing that you now have to pay extra for. They could get carried away and make features like media server connectivity and media player monthly charges. If it's free then please give us a full release don't nickle and dime us so that it costs more in the long run. I'm not saying they are going to do that, just that I could see them doing that and if so that would suck.

Now this I can't find a clip for, and I can't even find the original article I read, but what I saw was that this would be the exact same version that everyone got, with the plan being to get it out there and level their own playing field.

I imagine the goal is to make money on Word and other apps.  Maybe there's some behind the scenes mojo with new cuts from hardware sales, if that's even possible. Or maybe it's just a bold move to completely dominate the market/world.
170  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Re: Re: Windows 10 - Xbox One features on: January 22, 2015, 02:50:46 PM

Quote from: TiLT on January 22, 2015, 12:03:16 PM

Quote from: Pyperkub on January 22, 2015, 11:59:39 AM

Quote from: Caine on January 21, 2015, 10:41:13 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 21, 2015, 10:24:26 PM

Am I reading right that everyone using Windows 7 or 8 gets Windows 10 free??

yup.  now we just need to decide if it's worth it, given what they are saying about Windows as a Service related fees ala office 365

Haven't seen anything about fees - do you have a reference link or is this an  assumption?

Sent from my One using Tapatalk

I don't think they stated it outright, but it was strongly implied if nothing else. It also fits neatly into the vision Microsoft has of becoming a company for services, not products.

They literally stated it outright.
171  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Windows 10 - Xbox One features on: January 21, 2015, 10:24:26 PM
Am I reading right that everyone using Windows 7 or 8 gets Windows 10 free??
172  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4/XB1] Borderlands: The Handsome Collection on: January 20, 2015, 08:37:50 PM

Quote from: Caine on January 20, 2015, 05:46:39 PM

Blah blah blah

Saves can be imported from previous generation.

PICTURE

Blah blah blah

PICTURE

All of this is good, but that one line just made my day in a big way.
173  Gaming / Analog Gaming / Re: Cthulhu Wars (Board game) [Picture Heavy Warning] on: January 18, 2015, 05:40:43 PM

Quote from: Lordnine on January 18, 2015, 04:39:24 PM

The last I heard, the expansions are already in production or at least preproduction.  One of the developers said that if everything goes as planned they expect them to ship out to backers around June-July.  The reason they havenít announced that officially is because last time, the manufacturer completely botched the release plan.  I think one of their guys is going to actually BE in China in March, and will confirm the release date then.

Plus Chinese New Years and its two week vacation always screws things up in new and unusual ways.

174  Gaming / Analog Gaming / Re: Cthulhu Wars (Board game) [Picture Heavy Warning] on: January 17, 2015, 11:14:02 PM
Mine is in the mail.  Unfortunately, I have a rare gaming night tonight and no opportunity to play with 3+ players in the near future after this evening.

I had my fingers crossed, but no luck.
175  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Random Youtube Links Part 1: This time it's random Youtube Links (NSFW) on: January 17, 2015, 04:13:45 PM
DashCam Catches Officer Enjoying Taylor Swift

The best bits are when he suddenly has to be normal in sight of the populace.

He might need Swiftamine.
176  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (1/5) on: January 10, 2015, 03:30:55 AM

Quote from: MonkeyFinger on January 10, 2015, 12:24:13 AM

Didn't want to start a new topic just for this, but had to chuckle when I saw the subject of the email I received from "Playstation Store" today:

New this week: Most anticipated games of 2015 - The Witcher 3: Wild Hung, Battlefield Hardline, Uncharted 4: A Thief's End, and more!

 icon_eek

They missed The Order: 1869
177  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Nyko Data Bank for Playstation 4 on: January 09, 2015, 05:58:03 PM

Quote from: forgeforsaken on January 09, 2015, 02:25:56 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 08, 2015, 08:24:28 PM

Quote from: Destructor on January 08, 2015, 03:42:15 PM

The price difference between 3.5' and 2.5' drives are not that steep. And SSD drives are all 2.5 sized (which the console can use natively).

And does anyone need more than 2TB of console storage? Seriously, delete something.

When some of us were already deleting things less than a year into this consoles life cycle, and games are just going to get bigger, there's a need for more storage.



~500GB felt a bit constricting but 2TB feels like plenty for a while.  That's about 40 ~50 GB games of storage. 

I put in 1TB and, as mentioned, was already having problems in the Fall of last year.
178  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3,360,PS4,XB1,PC] Grand Theft Auto V on: January 09, 2015, 05:53:35 PM

Quote from: naednek on January 09, 2015, 05:08:07 PM

Quote from: Ridah on January 09, 2015, 06:20:54 AM

I just started playing the game last week... Is anyone else turned off by the nature of the explicit content? I know I've become more sensitive towards mature content in entertainment since getting married and living with my wife, but it seems way too vulgar. The strip clubs actually show bare breasts, the dialogue is pretty harsh (particularly when Trevor is talking), the violence is not as "cartoony" as it used to be with Trevor smashing people's heads in left and right.

Maybe I'm not remembering clearly, but I thought GTA IV was classier about its content.

The last 3 GTA games have always been this bad.  It always makes me uncomfortable.

Maybe, but the material is entirely appropriate to the world being represented.

Trevor, for example, is meant to be bat shit crazy (though, as with all well-written fictional crazies, he does have his own set of rules) and keep you off balance, uncertain of what he might do.  To set this up, they bring in a major character from the previous game (a player character in one set of DLC) and have Trevor brutalize him.  This was an entirely intentional choice, and it truly sets up the violent, unpredictable nature of the character.

179  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Nyko Data Bank for Playstation 4 on: January 08, 2015, 08:24:28 PM

Quote from: Destructor on January 08, 2015, 03:42:15 PM

The price difference between 3.5' and 2.5' drives are not that steep. And SSD drives are all 2.5 sized (which the console can use natively).

And does anyone need more than 2TB of console storage? Seriously, delete something.

When some of us were already deleting things less than a year into this consoles life cycle, and games are just going to get bigger, there's a need for more storage.

180  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Movie]Ant-Man on: January 07, 2015, 10:24:19 PM

Quote from: rittchard on January 07, 2015, 08:55:39 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on January 07, 2015, 04:00:21 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 07, 2015, 12:52:01 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on January 07, 2015, 05:05:00 AM


The visuals are cool, and I like Rudd's lines, but everything Douglas said was hack and hollow to me.  It's also way more serious than I was expecting.

I also thought it seemed way more serious than I was expecting.

Ditto - especially with the choice of Paul Rudd.  On the bright side, looks like he's toned/buffed up - yum!

In general this one's really got me scratching my head.  Personally I always liked Ant Man, but I never thought he'd be worth his own full screen feature, and I never had the impression he had much of a fan base.  But... I also was pretty skeptical about Guardians and Agent Carter, and both of those were nice surprises, so maybe I should just trust Marvel  nod

I may have been skeptical about either Guardians or Agent Carter at one time, but that went away when I saw trailers.  

The poster taps into the sense of humor I was expecting, but this trailer has none of it.  Even the line about the name is given more weight than a toss off like that should have.  It's all somber.  And the more I hear Douglas' speech, the more I feel it could have been written by the geekiest kid sitting by himself in the lunchroom.  And having sometimes been that kid, I can verify it.
181  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (1/5) on: January 07, 2015, 06:13:12 PM

Quote from: Scraper on January 07, 2015, 01:52:02 PM

Quote from: MonkeyFinger on January 07, 2015, 01:46:22 PM

So, exactly how "stand alone" is First Light? Can someone who hasn't played the base game know what's going on?

It's a prequel to Infamous 3 and it doesn't require Infamous 3 to play it, so I would say that's pretty stand alone.

Well, except like many prequels, there are events that happen which are unknown until later in the original game.
182  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Movie]Ant-Man on: January 07, 2015, 12:52:01 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on January 07, 2015, 05:05:00 AM


The visuals are cool, and I like Rudd's lines, but everything Douglas said was hack and hollow to me.  It's also way more serious than I was expecting.
183  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Movie]Ant-Man on: January 07, 2015, 12:48:17 PM
184  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Downton Abbey on: January 06, 2015, 01:22:16 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on January 06, 2015, 02:11:39 AM

I loved the first season, tolerated the second, and dropped out after the third. My wife's still heavily into it though. From her synopsis it sounds like the 5th season has degenerated into self-parody.

Huh, didn't get that at all.

Apart from Edith's dramatic moping (which seemed pointless right up until it had a point), I found the episode quite enjoyable and back to good form.

For a real self-parody:
Part One
Part Two
185  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (1/5) on: January 05, 2015, 12:32:17 PM
I'll get Whoa, Dave if it does come for PS4 (I'd heard it's only for Vita this week, with PS4 later).

186  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 03, 2015, 10:43:39 PM
187  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: January 01, 2015, 08:22:09 PM
188  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Playstation Plus - Now with lots more free games! on: December 31, 2014, 03:40:51 PM
And Whoa, Dave is also meant to be cross-buy, so maybe that one on PS4, too.

EDIT:  It looks like Whoa, Dave is cross-buy, but the PS4 version will launch later.
189  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare on: December 29, 2014, 04:35:16 PM

Quote from: Harpua3 on December 28, 2014, 09:32:07 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 27, 2014, 02:25:31 PM

Quote from: Harpua3 on December 26, 2014, 10:38:06 PM

I on the here hand like this more than any other cod in the last 5 years. A ton more. I only experienced lag, minimally, early on near launch... I actually, really enjoy a cod again. Never thought I'd say that!

This is me, too. And it extends to single player.

Same all around. You on ps4 or xbone?

Ps4
190  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare on: December 27, 2014, 02:25:31 PM

Quote from: Harpua3 on December 26, 2014, 10:38:06 PM

I on the here hand like this more than any other cod in the last 5 years. A ton more. I only experienced lag, minimally, early on near launch... I actually, really enjoy a cod again. Never thought I'd say that!

This is me, too. And it extends to single player.
191  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Far Cry 3 vs Far Cry 4 on: December 26, 2014, 07:29:17 PM

Quote from: Dante Rising on December 26, 2014, 03:35:10 AM

I just recently dipped into my backlog, and was in the mood for a great FPS. I decided upon Far Cry 3 after hearing so many good things about it. The graphics and controls were superlative, the environments were gorgeous, but I absolutely detested the premise of the story, along with the horrible character cast. The drugged out doctor, your "whoa, dude! thanks for saving me!" friends, and the Cheesy, slightly psychotic CIA covert agent that just happens to be on the same island as you.

I get that suspension of disbelief is necessary to get past a sky diving college kid suddenly becoming the badass stone cold killer, but the pathetic supporting cast of characters was simply too much to digest.

If not for this, I would have loved the game. Especially the lush outdoor environments. Everyone keeps saying that Far Cry 4 is basically just a slightly refined Far Cry 3. By any chance, does Far Cry 4 have a more tolerable storyline and cast of characters?

Was anyone else turned off by the FC3 cast?



According to the lead writer of FC3, you just didn't get it.
192  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (12/23) on: December 22, 2014, 03:13:17 PM
Wow, I'm actually buying things!  Darkest of nights, indeed.

For some random reason, just last week I decided to finally finish Trine 2 on PS4.  I had purchased this on some other console previously and never finished it there, either.  I've been really enjoying it, and as I neared the end, I actually wondered, out loud, why the first one never came to PS4.  Never finished that one, either.  Looking forward to it!

I have to say, BTW, that Trine 2 is one of the most gorgeous games I have ever seen, and I wonder why there aren't more games that use its incredibly rich color palette.

So, anyway, Trine, Switch Galaxy and Shantae for Wii U.
193  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / [Xboxes, Playstations] Lara Croft & the Temple of Osiris on: December 19, 2014, 12:50:33 PM
Well, this doesn't seem to be taking the world by storm, but I still have a hankering to play it.  I've been putting it off, however, hoping for one of those Digital Foundry comparisons between the XB1 and the PS4.  My PS4 is running low on space (and I fear there may be benefits to having it on XB1 when the next LC game comes out); however, I've heard rumblings of framerate issues on XB1.

Anyway, I'm hoping folks here have played enough on one console or the other to make a comparison.
194  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360,XB1] Forza Horizon 2 on: December 19, 2014, 12:45:58 PM
You didn't mention the storm part of storm island.  Holy shit!  This isn't just some rain falling, this is tree-bending wind and sheets of rain so thick you can barely see the corner just ahead.  It's intense stuff.  And, to me, at least, it makes this a totally different environment.  I've been very impressed so far.
195  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4/XB1/PC] Assassin's Creed Unity on: December 18, 2014, 05:04:46 PM
Unity Season Pass owners can get their free game now by going here: https://acu.ubi.com/Default/Welcome
196  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (12/16) on: December 15, 2014, 09:25:05 PM
Loadout was a hell of a lot of fun on the PC (and it's free), so definitely that.

Not much else, though.
197  Gaming / Portable Gaming & Apps / Re: iPhone/iTouch app and game thread on: December 15, 2014, 02:28:54 PM

Quote from: farley2k on December 15, 2014, 02:08:30 PM

Quote from: Kvothe on December 12, 2014, 08:46:29 PM

Always intrigued about papers please, glad it's coming to ios.  Maybe we will get Gone Home next?

That would be great.  As long as we are wishfully thinking I would love to see To the Moon appear on ios

 thumbsup

To The Moon should be seen by as many people as possible.
198  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Squenix, the ultimate troll on: December 12, 2014, 08:30:35 PM

Quote from: Andrew Wonser on December 12, 2014, 05:21:32 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 12, 2014, 04:34:10 PM

Comparing this to Dark Souls is not even apples and oranges; it's apples and Boz Scaggs.
Is it though? Couldn't this also be a case of your options are nothing or bare bones?

Yes, it is.  In much the same way that comparing this FF VII port to the "port" of the improved FF X/X-2 is.
 

Quote from: Andrew Wonser on December 12, 2014, 05:21:32 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 12, 2014, 04:34:10 PM

Squeenix has upgraded past FF games that have been well received.  There's even a remaster of X/X-2 that came out just this year that's coming to PS4.
You are right they have upgraded past games. They also cancelled one that was in the planning stages (FF4 I believe), for no apparent reason. Again though this was done in the past when they had the money to do more than just pretty it up. Which is what they did with FFX/-2. Which for the PS4 is just going to be a port. Though they say it will take advantage of the console. But until it's cleared up what that means the PS4 version is nothing more than a port of a remaster. Which is probably still difficult having to go from PS2 to cell to x86.

See above answer.  FF X/X-2 was already improved, and just this year.  It's not the same thing.  It's basically just being made available on another platform a little later.  This is not the same thing as a game being made available again 18 years later as is.  That in itself isn't a big deal for most games.  Nintendo does it all the time.  Sony was doing it quite a bit themselves until recently.  But each of them labeled these specially (Virtual Console and PS1 Classics, respectively) and gave them very little fanfare.  They were just sent out into the wild to make fans happy.

This is a different animal entirely.  As mentioned, Squeenix has been releasing updated ports for a while now.  And, as far as the FF VII remake goes,  they've been so coy (almost coquettish) that it's evolved into a bigger thing.  Even if the mania was self-created by fans, somehow, it's still out there.  This not only didn't address it, it pulled the rug out from under those fans.  It felt like a slap in the face to many, as evidenced by the reaction online.

Quote from: Andrew Wonser on December 12, 2014, 05:21:32 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 12, 2014, 04:34:10 PM

It shouldn't be hard to know that a major FF VII announcement should not be a port.  It also shouldn't be hard to know how to upgrade this appropriately.
Again though how far do you want them to go and depending on the changes do you think it's possible to recoup those expenses when price is already being disapproved of.

It seems fans want them to go all the way, delivering on perceived promises that came about from previous releases and implications in the press.  If they are unable to do that, they should leave the property alone.  They would have been better off not releasing anything for all the ill will it got them.  I'm aware they don't owe the fans anything. As mentioned, I'm also aware that the expectations may have been created by the fans themselves and that nothing was technically promised.  Again, this doesn't change what the fanbase was feeling.  That Squeenix was so far off the mark in responding to that, shows they have completely lost touch with the people who might be buying their games in the future, and they're going to have a hard time regaining trust from them.  So, yeah, this was a mistake of big proportions.  


Quote from: Andrew Wonser on December 12, 2014, 05:21:32 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 12, 2014, 04:34:10 PM

Also are they really porting the PC version? Is this because PC is more similar than the PS2 version. Hopefully they use the re-release and not the original PC version.


IIRC, there were improvements in the PC release, though that may have just been anti-aliasing or something.
199  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC/360/XB1/Ps3/Ps4] Dragon Age: Inquisition on: December 12, 2014, 08:04:49 PM

Quote from: skystride on December 12, 2014, 04:43:50 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 12, 2014, 12:41:06 AM

Hours later, I got back to Haven and realized I'd have to talk to everyone again.  It was too much.  Honestly, I can appreciate all the backstory they put into these games, but I rarely have the patience for it.  I stopped doing more than skimming books in DA:O pretty quickly, and even now I find my attention drifting when someone is telling me their life story.  It's not even that it's not interesting.  It is, but there's just soooo much of it.

I'm feeling the same way.  I wouldn't have minded back in the day when I spent 5 hrs gaming every night but when you have limited time and Dorian is yapping on and on through deeper and deeper dialog trees, it gets tiring.  And I know it's partly my fault since I don't really have to exhaust every talk option but I have to be a completionist.

Yeah, there's nothing like clicking on the last little subject in a lengthy discussion only to find a new option pop up after that chat with {Investigate} and behind that, five more options.

I don't mean to criticize this, by the way, as I know some people love this, but all the dialogue just gets overwhelming sometimes.
200  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Squenix, the ultimate troll on: December 12, 2014, 04:34:10 PM
You're making this more complicated than it is.

Comparing this to Dark Souls is not even apples and oranges; it's apples and Boz Scaggs.

Squeenix has upgraded past FF games that have been well received.  There's even a remaster of X/X-2 that came out just this year that's coming to PS4. 

It shouldn't be hard to know that a major FF VII announcement should not be a port.  It also shouldn't be hard to know how to upgrade this appropriately.
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