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13081  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Far Cry 2 on: December 03, 2008, 08:37:41 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on December 03, 2008, 07:39:33 PM

Not sure whether they dumped the concept or not but it's definitely being totally reworked. 

Well, if they decide to go with a younger, studlier Sam Fischer, they better set this thing in the 70s.  That could be damned cool, though...
13082  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: your 2008 sleepers on: December 03, 2008, 07:37:39 PM

Quote from: Purge on December 03, 2008, 06:52:31 PM

"The Glory of Purge"

It ships on 47 3.5" 2.88MB floppies.

Paypal only, please.

Aw, can't I use Flooz?
13083  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Far Cry 2 on: December 03, 2008, 07:35:38 PM

Quote from: Caine on December 03, 2008, 07:06:17 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on December 03, 2008, 07:03:34 PM

Latest that was revealed was that it was Ubi Montreal doing SC5 but obviously not the Farcry 2 team, PoP team, Assassins' Creed team, etc (Ubi Montreal is huge).  However it looks like SC5 was pretty much scrapped and sent back to the drawing board so I'm not sure anyone outside of Ubi knows what it's status is or who's handling it now. 

I hope it's not Ubi Shanghai though- while I did enjoy SC 2&4, they weren't nearly as good as the others. 

sc ct also stands as my favorite of the series.  i do need to pick up the xbox 1 version of da though.

I was glad to hear they dumped the concept for the planned next SC installment.
13084  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Prince of Persia screenshot on: December 03, 2008, 07:34:06 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 03, 2008, 05:53:05 PM

I'd like to make a prediction.  There are six stores "near" me on the Best Buy store finder, but only one that is truly close.  I have the SE pre-ordered there.  So far, two of the six have it.  My bet is that my store will not have the game by the end of the day, but the other 5 will.  Then, tomorrow, they will get in the regular version, but not the SE.  Then, when it finally arrives according to the inventory control system, they will have no idea what I'm talking about when I present my pre-paid receipt, and I will have to wait a minimum of a half hour for them to track it down.  Then the game will explode in my 360.

I wish I were just waiting at home for it to arrive.

Shortly after posting, the website showed the SE as being In Stock.  Which means my plan worked.   ninja
13085  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Prince of Persia screenshot on: December 03, 2008, 05:53:05 PM
I'd like to make a prediction.  There are six stores "near" me on the Best Buy store finder, but only one that is truly close.  I have the SE pre-ordered there.  So far, two of the six have it.  My bet is that my store will not have the game by the end of the day, but the other 5 will.  Then, tomorrow, they will get in the regular version, but not the SE.  Then, when it finally arrives according to the inventory control system, they will have no idea what I'm talking about when I present my pre-paid receipt, and I will have to wait a minimum of a half hour for them to track it down.  Then the game will explode in my 360.

I wish I were just waiting at home for it to arrive.
13086  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Picked up some Wii games, but I have a question on: December 03, 2008, 03:35:16 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on December 03, 2008, 02:41:22 PM

Disaster: Day of Crisis is another one- released this fall in Japan and EU, import reviews were pretty promising but NOA has yet to confirm that they will release it in America (despite already being fully localized) and hinted that they would only do so if it sold well in other territories (it hasn't).

Actually, the previews were promising, but the reviews haven't been that great.  It's only got a 68% on GameRankings.  Gamespot just published a review, 5.5/10.  
Quote
Wielding more Wii Remote-waggling moves than you can shake a quake at, Disaster's lack of clear gameplay focus has resulted in a game that is competent at best and never compelling.

The Good
Awesomely cheesy story   On-rails shooter sections are fun.

The Bad
Too easy   Tries to do too much   Driving sections can be frustrating   Lacklustre graphics and sound.

Eurogamer gave it 6/10, and the lack of focus thing comes up again:

Quote
If it had just been a bit more focused, perhaps sticking with the pleasing interchange of third-person exploring and first-person on-rails shooting, it would have succeeded. But the frenzy of different genres is only confusing, not letting any one element shine. Also: EAT MY BALLISTICS!

But I agree that NOA seems to be dropping the ball, while claiming they are frustrated with the corporation's choices.
13087  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Left 4 Dead Impressions on: December 03, 2008, 02:57:41 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on December 03, 2008, 02:48:47 PM

I saw a link of the top 10 games played on Xbox Live during the last month.  Surprisingly Halo 3  was back on top.  Followed by Gears 2 and Cod 5.  I think L4D was 8th.  Hopefully L4D doesn't suffer the same fate as Team Fortess 2 on the 360. 

7th, but yeah.  Of course, it was released a little later than the other games, so that could be a factor.
13088  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Did anyone pick up The Last Guy PSN game? on: December 03, 2008, 02:55:15 PM

Quote from: Canuck on December 03, 2008, 11:11:21 AM

Well I've already gotten my 4.99 out of it smile  If you just play through the levels willy-nilly it's not so great, but the real addictiveness comes when you start trying to make your line as long as possible and trying to save ALL of the people on the map.  I see from the high scores that some people have saved every single person on the map AND done it all in a single line!  That seems impossible to me.  I'm on the third map so far (National Monument) in Washington DC but I really dislike it because there are so many trees so I think I'm just going to try to get the bare minimum possible so that I can open up the next level. The first two levels were a blast however.  I wish this game had trophies-that would put it over the top.

You know, I fired it up again, and realized that that third level drove me away for a bit (then I got distracted by the other games).  Kind of a PITA with the monster-hiding trees, but I only tried it a few times and kept trying to save as many as I could.  However, it made me worry that the difficulty was going to ramp up pretty hard and fast.
13089  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Saints Row 2 on: December 03, 2008, 02:45:50 PM
I was just playing along when an achievement popped up: Soprano.  I wasn't really doing anything, but was on my way to a hit on a motorcycle, which I thought might be related.  I pulled up the dash and saw this description: "Sung along to the radio."  Sure enough, when I got back into the game, my girl was singing along to "Everybody Wants to Rule the World."  Badly.
13090  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (12/1) on: December 03, 2008, 02:17:49 PM
A Vampyre Story just got pushed to next week, BTW.
13091  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Prince of Persia screenshot on: December 03, 2008, 01:44:55 PM

Quote from: mikeg on December 03, 2008, 12:41:39 PM

Quote from: naednek on December 03, 2008, 03:46:19 AM

Just watched the video on gametrailers.com.  As I imagined, this will be a rental,or possibly skipped outright.  The fact that you can't die, and that they force you to go back and basically repeat the level (in reverse) to get some orbs seems a little, well boring. 

I am with you on this.  Having to play the whole level in reverse to get the orbs, which are needed for the upgrades as I understand it, seems like a lame attempt to pad length.   Even though I have the game preordered I am waffling now and may bail altogether.  Drats.  This was my last bastion of hope for this year.

I haven't watched the vids, but if the retread is at all similar to what was done in the recent Wario platformer, it could work.  In each level there, you had to work your way in then race back out, but you took a slightly different path, so it didn't feel completely repetitious.

I'm actually all for the easy aspect of this game, as long as there's a flow to the gameplay/story.  I found the combat to be a mild PITA in previous games.  The platforming felt like the meat of it, but sometimes it was too brutal.  Like, not so much challenging as designed to F you up.
13092  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: your 2008 sleepers on: December 03, 2008, 01:37:11 PM

Quote from: Caine on December 03, 2008, 01:20:23 AM

Quote from: EddieA on December 02, 2008, 08:54:40 PM

A Kingdom For Keflings on XBLA.  It looked interesting from the screenshots, but it's quickly become my favorite game on XBLA.

have to agree so far.  i played this last night instead of all of the great stuff i have now.  crazy that an arcade game gets my attention that far.

I'm amazed how often I keep coming back to this myself, though I'm not quite at GOTY status for it.
13093  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Destroy All Humans!: Path of the Furon on: December 02, 2008, 10:46:09 PM
Okay, second review I've seen is even worse.  1Up has given it a D (which equals 25% on metacritic)!  They called it a "an out-of-touch, thoroughly unpolished romp through mediocrity." Yowza. 

13094  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Community Games XBLM on: December 02, 2008, 03:10:43 PM

Quote from: Bob on December 02, 2008, 02:58:30 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 02, 2008, 01:41:55 PM

Matt, if you're still around and not just popping an ad in, I have a question.  Can you download designed courses to play by yourself or can you only play courses others designed when you meet them online?

He covered that in his response up there actually.  Right now, you can only see other people's courses when you play with the course's creator online.  But he's hoping to patch in the ability to download courses.

You're right.  It's there.  For some reason, I read that as people can share their courses online on the website.  I need sleep.
13095  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Jasper is on the market..... on: December 02, 2008, 03:08:50 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on December 02, 2008, 03:03:07 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 02, 2008, 02:37:00 PM

You can still use a memory card.

Right but then it's an extra expense instead of being bundled with the Arcade unit.  So basically my "cost" of a second 360 went up with this move. 

I see what you're saying.
13096  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Jasper is on the market..... on: December 02, 2008, 02:37:00 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on December 02, 2008, 02:05:47 PM

Standard HD would have no effect at t his point-  devs still have to to support HDD-less 360s since those SKUS are already on the market. 

I actually think the 256 internal memory is kind of a bummer- I'm strongly considering getting a second 360 so I can have access to the Netflix stuff in my living room but I would prefer the memory card so I can move my saves/profiles between my consoles.  Internal memory won't let me do that. 

You can still use a memory card.
13097  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Left 4 Dead Impressions on: December 02, 2008, 02:09:54 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on December 02, 2008, 04:05:26 AM

My history with this game:

1. Heard about it, thought the concept was neat.  Another game to look forward to.
2. Amazon has a pre-order deal for 48.00 shipped. I preorder
3. Demo came out. Played it once. It was fun, but unimpressive
4. I get around to canceling my pre-order too late. Amazon ships the game. I'm totally bummed. 48.00 out the window
5. I'm out of town so I can't play it. I get home, have a weekend planned to play it via the MP forum but am overwhelmed and exhausted from the trip. I don't game at all that weekend.
6. I finally recover and try to set up a match with a couple of GTers. Everyone's a no show until I'm too tired to play.
7. Finally get a game together with Bullwinkle and Spigot.  Have an absolute riot
8. Play with some randoms and have a great time.
9. Play tonight with DamgeInc and two bots.  Am blown away at how competent the bots are.  We spend an hour and 10 minutes working through the blood harvest campaign.  Neither of us knows where to go and we suffer some consequences like more respawns (we think) as we dally about trying to explore and figure out what's going on.  Our teamwork isn't all that sharp either as we don't fortify that well before the horde attacks.

We eventually radio for help.  We all defend the farmhouse bravely and the US Army shows up.  Damage runs for the APC and gets in. One of our bots is down in the distance. He's a gonner. I race toward the APC. I see another of our bots, Zoey,  get knocked down and open up on her attackers.  She's gonna make.....TANK Zombie attacks the APC and punches me 40 feet from the vehicle. I'm cooked I'm for sure.  But I manage to get back up and race to the APC emptying my gun into the tank that is now mauling Zoey...no avail. I say sorry! and get into the vehicle. Damage and I escape.

10. This is a darkhorse for GOTY.  I haven't even tried versus yet.  What an absolute gem so far.

Sorry I couldn't join you last night, SL.  Just wasn't up to it.  I needed to punch some things (having the Joker pound Batman into the ground helped scratch that itch).  I was a little cranky yesterday.  Sorry if I irked too many people.  I certainly didn't mean to create any nemeses.

I went through a similar experience as SL had.  The demo didn't do much for me, personally, but I took a chance on it based on reviews and impressions, and I can't believe I almost missed this game.  Moments like he's talking about at the end literally happen ALL THE TIME.  Plus it's just so well constructed and balanced.  It's a shame to see that point missed.
13098  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Dungeon Keeper MMO or Holy Crap turns to Aw, crap. on: December 02, 2008, 01:52:39 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on December 02, 2008, 04:33:03 AM

Why is this in Console Gaming?

Because I don't go into the MMM thread.   Also, when I saw the announcement, I assumed it would be for consoles (Left 4 Dead is still in that one, for example).

I agree with Lordnine.  An MMO of Dungeon Keeper is one of the few MMO ideas I've been interested in.

But if any interest in reviving Dungeon Keeper happens, I'm interested.
13099  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: your 2008 sleepers on: December 02, 2008, 01:47:44 PM

Quote from: Gratch on November 28, 2008, 01:38:37 AM

Quote from: jersoc on November 27, 2008, 07:52:48 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on November 27, 2008, 03:16:45 PM

Braid.

Thread over.

The world ends with you.

Now the thread is over.


Neither of those games did anything for me.

Game on.

Liked Braid.  But now I'm going to slam TWEWY.  Get ready.  I did not care for it.  BAM!
13100  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Uncharted 2: Among Thieves revealed! on: December 02, 2008, 01:45:36 PM

Quote from: Canuck on December 02, 2008, 08:02:33 AM

I don't care if it's the exact same engine so long as it's a great new story and new environments.  Whatever these guys can do to get the game out as quickly and cheaply (efficiently) as possible I am all for it.  I just finished my second playthrough although I feel a bit cheated by the whole medal thing not being backwards compatible.  What a fantastic, fantastic game.  Sensuous better not come in here and sully the thread with his comments about it being simply an above average game.

I'm actually waiting to start over, I think.  I didn't get all the way through it when the trophy announcement came, then by the time it was stated that they wouldn't be retroactive, I'd already waited a long time.
13101  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Destroy All Humans!: Path of the Furon on: December 02, 2008, 01:43:11 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on December 02, 2008, 02:25:53 AM

maybe it's a blessing they canceled the PS3 version.  or maybe they'll fix the game and then release the PS3 version, and promise a patch for the other versions but then add 'only if the PS3 version sells well' to the patch requirement.....

That could never happen.  Why just the thought of it makes me feel alienated and scared.  Almost like I'm alone in the dark.  Inferno.


Looking forward to your comments, Shifty.
13102  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Community Games XBLM on: December 02, 2008, 01:41:55 PM

Quote from: Barkers Crest on December 01, 2008, 09:10:37 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 22, 2008, 03:58:49 PM


I recommend checking out the Easy Golf game.  Unfortunately, it's 800 points, but there is the ability to design courses.  It's a pretty slick little golf game.

Others I've been interested in:

Colosseum (as I mentioned)
Weapon of Choice (pretty slick platform/shooter)
In the Pit
Blow (kind of like Eets with bubbles)
Artoon (puzzle/jumping game)

I haven't actually bought anything yet, but I think I may go in for Easy Golf, Colosseum and Weapon of Choice.

I also just saw Classic Card Games, which I will buy if it has Euchre and is any good.  And a game called Arriba!  I don't know what it is (the screenshot doesn't show much), but I'm downloading it anyway.

Hey Bullwinkle.  This is Matt, the creator of Easy Golf.  Thanks for you interest in Easy Golf.  If you haven't given the course editor a try I highly suggest it.  It is really the heart and soul of the game.  I've had some people email me and say that the course editor was worth 800 points by itself.

We are starting to build up a community of Easy Golf fanatics.  You can read what some people who have the full version are saying about the game on the xbox forums http://forums.xbox.com/1104/ShowForum.aspx.  I also have some links on my webpage www.barkerscrest.com so you can see what reviewers are saying about the game.

If Easy Golf is not your thing that is ok.  If it might be give the designer a try and see if it is your thing.

Right now people can share their courses online through multiplayer but I'm working on an update so that people can download other peoples courses and play them locally.

Thanks for your interest in Easy Golf and I hope to see you online,

Matt Davis

Matt, if you're still around and not just popping an ad in, I have a question.  Can you download designed courses to play by yourself or can you only play courses others designed when you meet them online?
13103  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Destroy All Humans!: Path of the Furon on: December 02, 2008, 01:30:40 AM
First review I've seen is from OXM, a dreadful 4.5/10!


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Steadfast alien worshippers might’ve forgiven a lot if Path of the Furon featured the same quality of off-color comedy that used to define the series. Crypto once overflowed with clever one-liners and film references, persistent mind-reading yielded unexpected silliness, and the sex-obsessed Arkvoodle could please a crowd. Here, you’ll find little beyond groaners, pedestrian prattle, and underdeveloped monotony. Find another path to walk.

http://www.oxmonline.com/article/reviews/xbox-360/a-f/destroy-all-humans-path-furon
13104  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Uncharted 2: Among Thieves revealed! on: December 02, 2008, 01:14:07 AM
Teaser trailer:  http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43231.html
13105  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Uncharted 2: Among Thieves revealed! on: December 02, 2008, 12:11:18 AM
Any word on an ETA for this?
13106  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Jasper, is on the market..... on: December 01, 2008, 10:49:45 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on December 01, 2008, 08:01:21 PM

Quote from: farley2k on December 01, 2008, 07:35:41 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on December 01, 2008, 07:26:20 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 01, 2008, 07:08:03 PM

In unrelated news, the Grammar Nazi in my would like to ask that the comma in the Subject line gets removed.

Ah, the sweet, sweet irony....

Well they did say grammar not spelling.

Spelling would imply that there's a misspelled word there, which there isn't.  Those keys have "rt" between them.  I see a syntax error, which falls under grammar.  There's either a word being misused or a word missing.

In other news, Bullwinkle is my new nemesis.  slywink

Yeah, we've butted heads a bit today, but I give you this one, for sure.  I'm an idjit.
13107  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Left 4 Dead Impressions on: December 01, 2008, 10:43:36 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on December 01, 2008, 07:14:07 PM

I'ma dismiss all you all from my impressions thread for starting another pointless argument. People like games people don't like others.

And I'll leave this thread for dead (nyuk nyuk) when I ask the mods to lock it.  (Look at me wonderpug! Look at me!)

Bah!  I don't like people who like that people like games, people don't like others, people!
13108  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Jasper, is on the market..... on: December 01, 2008, 07:08:03 PM

Quote from: mytocles on December 01, 2008, 06:35:27 PM

I'm afraid I'm still "IN!"  I seem to prefer XBox games far more than others, just in general.

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The photos look legit. The power supply is the strongest piece of evidence here. The previous version of the Xbox 360 required 175 watts and higher. As you can see from the photo, Jasper runs just dandy with 150 watts.

I've been waiting for the Jasper ever since I heard of it, but since you can't be sure you have a Jasper unit without opening the box (MS has removed the wattage info from the box), I'm trying to wait for more "proof" that they are on store shelves.  I have two launch units, and they are both giving signs of possible on-the-horizon problems. For me, at least, I figure I've gotten my money's worth out of both of them.  Although I was extremely lucky, obviously, I'm not willing to rely on luck for the next 360.  If I have to play PS2 and Wii games until I can be assured of a Jasper unit, then so be it.  icon_cry


Make sure you get the next one from Costco or Sam's Club.  They will let you exchange for a new one with no hassles.  One of the member benefits.  I expect to exchange my current one when I hear they've got Jaspers in stock.


In unrelated news, the Grammar Nazi in my would like to ask that the comma in the Subject line gets removed.
13109  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Dungeon Keeper MMO or Holy Crap turns to Aw, crap. on: December 01, 2008, 07:04:29 PM
http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1688380#post1688380

A Dungeon Keeper MMO?!?!  ...but only if you live in China.
13110  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Left 4 Dead Impressions on: December 01, 2008, 06:58:59 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on December 01, 2008, 06:50:53 PM

My sticking point is your repeated use of the word "dismissive."

To me, dismissive is looking at the screenshots/movies/ads and calling it crap.  Both of us played the game and made decisions based on our personal experiences.  We gave the game more of a chance than many others did. 

What may be key elements to you may not be something that is key to us.

Dismissive - indicating dismissal or rejection; having the purpose or effect of dismissing, as from one's presence or from consideration.

Maybe I'll try to have a thesaurus handy in future, but I calls 'em as I sees 'em.   icon_wink

And the key elements I'm talking about here are things that are cornerstones of the gameplay.  It's not a question of them being integral to the design or not.  They are key.  If you don't like them, that's another story, but if you missed them, they should be pointed out.
13111  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Left 4 Dead Impressions on: December 01, 2008, 06:47:23 PM

Quote from: PeteRock on December 01, 2008, 06:12:29 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 01, 2008, 05:35:09 PM

Quote from: PeteRock on December 01, 2008, 04:52:02 PM

Quote from: Chaz on November 29, 2008, 08:40:15 PM

No, there is no storyline, but there isn't one in CoD multiplayer either.  The story and investment comes from working with your teammate to survive.  If you're playing on normal, then I can understand not seeing that, since surviving is so easy.

Not sure what difficulty we were playing on, but the difference between COD MP and Left4Dead is that in COD you're competing against other human players.  In Left4Dead you're merely playing against enemy AI.  Perhaps that is where it falls short for me.  You don't necessarily need a story in MP, but I like competition, and in COD you're competing directly against an opposing team.  Perhaps it's due to all of the sports I watch and play, but I like the competition aspect of versus MP and I just lost interest in fighting wave after wave of enemy AI.  There just didn't feel like much of a point.  At least in games like Halo 3 and Gears of War 2, yes you're still fighting against enemy AI, but there's a point to it all and a story unfolds. 

Left4Dead just isn't for me, and it seems rather simplistic and empty to be lauded as much as it has been. 

It's simplistic in the way that Halo was simplistic.  It gets to the root of what works and pulls it together extremely well.

The bigger issue for you, Pete, seems to be in the gameplay style.  If you're coming right off of COD and Halo and even GoW2, then you're going to be thinking in terms of run and gun, but that can get you in situations like the buddy Sensuous Lettuce and I were playing with.  This game is all about the teamwork, even in the Versus modes.  You've played it a couple of times, but didn't give it a chance to wow you on its own merits versus what you were expecting.  I think your defenses might be up about it now (since you're still dismissing it - instead of seeing that it's getting praise everywhere and wondering if you've missed something, you give the impression that millions of Elvis fans can, in fact, be wrong), so I don't know that you could be convinced, but there is a reason it's being lauded.

But because a game is liked by some, or even many, does not suggest that it should be liked by all.  It isn't the style of gameplay, as I don't run-and-gun in games like COD, but the very gameplay itself.  I attempted to play through the demo a number of times, constantly wondering what it was that I was missing, and on Thanksgiving I had an opportunity to play alongside a friend, and still didn't find the game to be any more appealing.  While teamwork is at the heart of the game's focus, and while playing alongside friends can be fun, there was simply something missing from the game to draw me in.  

It's not any one thing that turned me off or underwhelmed me.  Everything simply came together as a mediocre and oversimplified product.  For me.  While it may not be a bad game, I'm happy to finally be able to cross one off of my must-buy list.

You can overanalyze why I don't like it all you want.  But I want more from a game, and this one just unfortunately didn't live up to my own expectations, whether you think I wasn't playing it "right" or not.  I gave it a number of chances, and wanted to like it.  And even despite that I kept coming away underwhelmed, wondering what the fuss is about.  That's fine, as I don't feel I need to be defensive, and I don't think I'm missing out on anything as most MP games have a short lifespan (look at Gears 2 MP - it barely maintained popularity for a week).  I'm simply not impressed, and having played it a number of times, I'm in this case the rare voice of dissent.  

That's fine, and I didn't mean to imply that you would like it if you gave it a chance.  I understand not liking it, and it may be inherent in the gameplay style, was my point. 

Quote from: Isgrimnur on December 01, 2008, 05:54:12 PM

Some of us don't like the game.  This is an impressions thread.  We've read your pamphlet and it has not swayed us.  Calling us dismissive of it is being dismissive of our opinions.  Both Pete and I played the game and do not care for it. 

It is being lauded everywhere because a lot of people like it.  Everyone does not.  It can be lauded as a great game.  It doesn't mean everyone likes it.  Not everyone is an Elvis fanboy either. 

I'm the first to agree that negative impressions should be voiced in threads (see my comments on the various Little Big Planet threads -and that's a game I like, to a degree).  What I don't agree with is a dismissive tone that does seem to miss some key elements of the game, such as the one KG mentioned from Pete and your comment:
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I got CoD:[email protected]  I'm covered on MP fun.
  That's like saying I eat Apple Pie, so I'm covered in the fruit department.  Okay, maybe not quite that.  And you're allowed to say that, but it implies that you've dismissed the game, because COD and L4D are very different experiences.
13112  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Tomb Raider: Underworld on: December 01, 2008, 05:41:07 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on December 01, 2008, 04:59:17 PM

Quote from: kronovan on December 01, 2008, 04:49:41 PM

It's one of the things I didn't agree with Legend; her overall character was portrayed too softly.

See that's one of the things I appreciated about Legend- it actually gave some context to her character and made me feel like she really cared for these sites (especially with her line to the emtombed Arthur- "I wouldn't take Excalibur if I didn't need it so") but also made it clear that her family took even higher priority.  Combined with the radio commentary with Zip and Alister, Legend actually defined and developed her character more in one game than the rest of the series combined.  In the previous games I always felt she was a bit more of a blank slate. 

The relic smashing of Underworld *is* incongruous to that aspect of her character but I just chalk it up to a gameplay convention.  Given that Underworld finally introduced a tranq gun to alleviate that other long standing complaint that Lara is a bit too casual about harming animals in their natual habitats I won't be surprised if the relic smashing is altered/improved for the next game. 

Of course, it could also be that they've evolved her character to the casual wrecklessness that kronovan mentions because now she's pissed.  But I think it more likely that we're all reading too much into it and it was a simple way to plop shiny things into the game.
13113  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (12/1) on: December 01, 2008, 05:38:29 PM

Quote from: Farscry on December 01, 2008, 04:34:34 PM

Wow. You know, the DS has a solid batch of some of my favorite games over the last few years, and the Wii has a solid selection of AAA titles too, but GEEZ do they both get a lot of crapware released on them. saywhat

Nothing for me this week.

I saw a bunch of articles recently about how Wii titles hit the bargain bins faster than other the other console's games.  But I think that's a factor of being the most popular console and just having a slew of crap released for it.  It's a percentage thing.  I'd wager the same thing happened with the PS2.
13114  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Left 4 Dead Impressions on: December 01, 2008, 05:35:09 PM

Quote from: PeteRock on December 01, 2008, 04:52:02 PM

Quote from: Chaz on November 29, 2008, 08:40:15 PM

No, there is no storyline, but there isn't one in CoD multiplayer either.  The story and investment comes from working with your teammate to survive.  If you're playing on normal, then I can understand not seeing that, since surviving is so easy.

Not sure what difficulty we were playing on, but the difference between COD MP and Left4Dead is that in COD you're competing against other human players.  In Left4Dead you're merely playing against enemy AI.  Perhaps that is where it falls short for me.  You don't necessarily need a story in MP, but I like competition, and in COD you're competing directly against an opposing team.  Perhaps it's due to all of the sports I watch and play, but I like the competition aspect of versus MP and I just lost interest in fighting wave after wave of enemy AI.  There just didn't feel like much of a point.  At least in games like Halo 3 and Gears of War 2, yes you're still fighting against enemy AI, but there's a point to it all and a story unfolds. 

Left4Dead just isn't for me, and it seems rather simplistic and empty to be lauded as much as it has been. 

It's simplistic in the way that Halo was simplistic.  It gets to the root of what works and pulls it together extremely well.

The bigger issue for you, Pete, seems to be in the gameplay style.  If you're coming right off of COD and Halo and even GoW2, then you're going to be thinking in terms of run and gun, but that can get you in situations like the buddy Sensuous Lettuce and I were playing with.  This game is all about the teamwork, even in the Versus modes.  You've played it a couple of times, but didn't give it a chance to wow you on its own merits versus what you were expecting.  I think your defenses might be up about it now (since you're still dismissing it - instead of seeing that it's getting praise everywhere and wondering if you've missed something, you give the impression that millions of Elvis fans can, in fact, be wrong), so I don't know that you could be convinced, but there is a reason it's being lauded.
13115  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (12/1) on: December 01, 2008, 04:08:06 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on December 01, 2008, 03:31:34 PM

Quote from: Chaz on December 01, 2008, 03:16:01 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on December 01, 2008, 02:11:26 PM

Despite the name, My Fitness Coach is secretly the long-awaited sequel to Yourself! Fitness.  I've started every morning with 30-45 minutes of Y!F for 2.5 years now, so I'm really looking forward to the follow-up! thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup
Huh, well that's interesting.  I used Yourself Fitness for a while.  A new version might be interesting.

Why is it so hard to find any information on My Fitness Coach?  All I could dig up are these screenshots on Gamespot, and from those the game looks almost identical to Yourself! Fitness.  Even the workout locations look exactly the same.  Is it just a straight port or did they new add features and exercises?  Can it use the Wii balance board?

Nothing on the box art or the Ubi website mention the balance board, and I would think that would be a big selling point, so I'm betting it doesn't use it.
13116  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (12/1) on: December 01, 2008, 02:40:27 PM
360:
Destroy All Humans! Path of the Furon  I'm hoping to see a review first, but I like these games
Prince of Persia Pre-ordered and very anticipated

Wii:
Cate West: The Vanishing Files  I like these types of games, and this is supposed to be a good one, on the PC.  I picked up the Mortimer game on the Wii, though, and I'm very disappointed in the resolution, so I'll need to wait on reviews
Mushroom Men: The Spore Wars Waiting for mainstream reviews or impressions, but I'm interested


PC:
A Vampyre Story is supposed to be out tomorrow.  It's by a LucasArts guy and is supposed to hearken back to the glory days of SCUMM gaming!
13117  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Tomb Raider: Underworld on: December 01, 2008, 02:34:09 PM
Combat in Uncharted went on a little long, for my tastes.  I always felt like it was a distraction, more than a fun part of the game.  The gunfights in Underworld also go on a little too long, but for a different reason.  They are meant to be a distraction, I think, but since it's just flipping and shooting, not "sophisticated" gunplay, it should be over very quickly.  It drags a bit.  There are cool moments where you can flip off an enemy's head and such, but there aren't a lot of them, and so it's basically down to trying not to flip off a ledge and keep pulling the trigger.

As for getting lost, the sense of wonder entering a new place is there every time you pull up or drop down only to discover some incredible set piece.  The levels are pretty damn big (too big, maybe?), so there's plenty of opportunity to explore already.  Not knowing where to go next is fine, if there are choices available (as in you could head off in any one of these chambers to unlock the big puzzle), not when it's confusing.  A lot of these levels are confusing, not about choosing.  Some of that comes from a symmetry that the designers like to put in, but there have been a lot of times already where I've felt at a total loss on where to go, as opposed to giddily overwhelmed with possibility.  I'm not sure how that can be seen as a positive.

The camera is terrible.  That seems to be universal.  And the jumps that feel right when you make them, but send her off on a non-intended diagonal are kind of inexcusable in a platformer, IMO.  Also, aren't the pots valuable historical treasures in there own rights?  I can't imagine Laura would be breaking them (there have been treasures in normal looking pots on occaision, BTW, Chaz.  That may help on your treasure-seeking playthrough).  I wish there was more variety in treasure types/storage.

There's some evidence that the game was rushed for the holiday, but it's pretty close to done, and most of those issues can be overlooked, I think, when you're faced with the coolness of the experience.  I'll just need to take a break between levels, to keep the frustration down.
13118  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Left 4 Dead Impressions on: December 01, 2008, 02:14:01 PM

Quote from: Turtle on November 30, 2008, 05:25:30 PM

Some tips for normal Versus mode play:

Boomers are the core of the infected team.  All strategies involve them either leading an attack with bile, or other players distracting the Survivors so that the boomer can get into position to cover them in bile.  Not only does Bile blur the vision of all survivors it hits, it also makes them unable to see Warnings and player outlines indicating that someone has been snared or pounced.  The common infected (commons) that come in also server as ammo sinks and damage multipliers, doing more damage and if you had just pounced or snared alone.  When playing as the boomer, note that your vomit attack has a longer range than you'd think, it's an arc attack, so if you want to hit distant targets aim higher, you'll be surprised how far it reaches.

A lone hunter, or even multiple hunters are often ineffective as he'll do a bit of damage then get knocked off.  However, a hunter combined with a horde is nasty.  Pounce on a target just as a horde reaches him and not only will you do damage, but the common infected will swarm around him also doing damage (that adds to your total), the Commons shield you from gunfire as well.  Just a few extra commons helping you on a pounce is enough to drop someone pretty quickly.

In places where there's a ledge nearby and survivors packed together.  If you land a pounce on someone it'll knock survivors away from the point of impact.  Pounce on someone and knock others off a ledge and now you have two people needing rescue, not just one.

Smokers should also consider the same.  Any place where there's a ledge or a drop, try to snare someone from across it so they're either dragged to a different level or hang onto the ledge for rescue.  The 4th level of No Mercy has plenty of places to do this.  Oh, but note that it takes a half second for the snare to attach properly, and some more due to lag, this was deliberate to keep smoker snares from being too powerful.  Try to snare from rooftops, exposing the minimal amount of yourself to the ground as possible.  Look for buildings with rails/rims on the roof, it restricts your view but makes it near impossible to hit you.

When you're the tank and you're faced with survivors out in the open, there will usually be objects that you can punt around to hit survivors.  These are usually cars, boxes, or a forklift.  A tank is slowed down by gunfire and being on fire, four survivors shooting at you at the same time with level 2 weapons will drop a tank quickly.  So, if you try to go for the melee attack you usually can't connect in the open, and if you try for the rock throw the wind up animation for it takes forever and most survivors will flee for cover.  But punting objects around works wonders as it'll usually take only 1 hit to down a survivor.

Good tips.  I've never been a Boomer, though.  Maybe they parcel those out a little less frequently?
13119  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (12/1) on: December 01, 2008, 02:09:55 PM
VC:  Metal Slug 2 [Neo Geo]

Wiiware: Pit Crew Panic! and Space Invaders Get Even

SIGE is supposed to be pretty cool, where you play the role of the aliens.
13120  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Left 4 Dead Impressions on: November 30, 2008, 03:54:30 PM

Quote from: spigot on November 30, 2008, 06:13:54 AM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on November 30, 2008, 05:59:04 AM

Had a hoot tonight playing with Bullwinkle and Spigot tonight.

Our 4th, who is a friend of mine from Gears of War, was playing Rambo rather than as a team, but the three of us operated pretty well.

I'm pretty miffed that the helo took off with me right outside of it and I was counted as dead, but that's the breaks.

Definitely fun!

Far more intense than I was expecting and far less humorous than I thought. 

Can't wait to try another level.

It was really fun. Glad to be able to play with you guys. Must do again.

It was a good time!  Thanks for setting it up, SL.

The humor comes from who you're playing with.  Personally, I found it hysterical that anytime someone wondered where your buddy was, we'd see his orange silhouette on a totally other floor getting the crap beat out of him.

As for the helicopter, I'm sorry to have been the only one to make it onto the helicopter, but not too sorry!  For next time, just keep in mind that you can keep firing from the helicopter.  At least you still got the survival achievement, SL.
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