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13001  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (9/15) on: September 15, 2008, 03:59:26 PM
I'm still in on Star Wars: Force Unleashed and very in on DQ IV.  I may do Pure, if the reviews are very good.  If the reviews are sort of good, I'll wait for a price drop.  Otherwise, out.
13002  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [ps2] yakuza 2 impressions on: September 15, 2008, 12:43:12 PM
When someone finishes Y2, I'd love to hear how long the playtime is.  I'm actually hoping it's kind of short.  I'm still working through Y1.  It was moving at a fast clip until I hit the first free-roam, then the side missions bogged it down a bit.  Still fun, but I'm trying to get through it quickly.

Also, any word or guesstimation on when Y3 might hit the States?
13003  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Wii] RB2 or GH:WT? on: September 15, 2008, 12:35:04 PM

Quote from: Misguided on September 15, 2008, 11:02:34 AM

Quote from: JSL on September 15, 2008, 03:55:56 AM

I'm thinking about getting GH:WT since there will be downloadable songs. I'm not sure if RB2 will have that on the Wii. If RB2 also has downloadable songs it could be a tough choice.

RB2 is a full-fledged version this time according the publisher.
So, yes, it has DLC.

I was trying to remember if GH:WT was going to or not.
You guys sure on that? I've been thinking about GH for Wii, myself.

When I heard that news, it made me think the magic "not a hard drive" solution Nintendo's been teasing would be out kind of soon.  We'll see, I guess.
13004  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Official] Rock Band 2 Impressions on: September 15, 2008, 12:26:55 PM

Quote from: Chaz on September 15, 2008, 11:57:39 AM

Quote
I am still not that happy with the sorting.  There is no quick way to get to the middle or end of a list.  You can cycle type of lists but I wish there were more.

You can hold down the (I think) yellow button/pedal, and that brings up a list on the left hand side with the different catgories in it, and then you can select one to jump to.  So if you want the Fleetwood Mac song, you hit Back until it's sorted by band, then hold yellow, go down to F, and there it shall be.

THAT was a great thing to stumble upon while playing yesterday.  One of my favorite new features. 

The no-fail option is the godsend I expected.  I only wish there was a way to have the original track be up louder for the person who is, say, a five year old flailing on the drums to a song she doesn't know.  My wife kept looking at me during "Hungry Like the Wolf" and saying, "I thought this song was faster."  I told her it was the drums, but she didn't believe me until we played it without my daughter a little later.  Then she said, "Wow, that really makes a difference."

Speaking of the wife, she really enjoyed the Career mode, which she's never ventured into before.  She didn't even mind singing the few metal songs we had to hit.  The little additions to that mode are great, IMO.  The whole thing has a different feel.   Different venues in a city, set lists geared to that city, charity events, earning your ride.  Very nice.  We played the Wicked Awesome set list in Boston last night.  Playing "Where Did You Go?" was a lot of fun.

However, I just about had a geekgasm last night when "Still Alive" came on in one of the set lists.  First of all, I love that it went through the entire catalog, not just the RB2 songs.  But listening to my wife sing GlaDOS was strangely exciting.  Made me want to play through Portal again.  I've been trying to get her to do it, but it's a hard sell.  She liked the song, though.


BTW, how are people liking the new guitar, for those that have it?  My Best Buy couldn't find their guitars, which was supremely annoying.  My favorite GH guitar is acting wonky in the neck, missing notes because of it, so I need a new one.  The RB clacking is distracting, to say the least. 
13005  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] Resistance Fall of Man on: September 13, 2008, 06:19:58 PM

Quote from: Jeff Jones on September 13, 2008, 06:00:47 PM

I just picked up Resistance today, used, and there was no game manual included. So I have a few questions:

* How do you heal?

* Is there a cover system?

* anything else I should know?

* Is there a PDF manual out in the wild anywhere?

The first thing I noticed was how great the sound was in the game. I just saw a video on PS.com where the Insomniac guys said they put great emphasis into the audio quality, and it definitely shows.

You heal by hiding.  However, you can only heal to the top of whatever section your health bar is in.  It's broken up into 1/4 sections.  Once you go past one of those sections, you can only auto-regen to the top of that section.  To fill empty sections, you need to pick up the glowing yellow vials on the ground.

You can go into cover by holding the left trigger (L2 = crouch) or just slipping behind a wall.

The main trick is to keep the health system in mind.  Pop out and into cover frequently, or you will drain everything and it becomes much harder to survive.  Also, don't wait to use health.  If you're down a section and you see a vial, use it.  No sense in holding off.  It's different than most other shooters and requires a slight brain shift, but it's slightly more strategic and interesting.

Also, the weapons get interesting and there are definitely right ones for a given job or based on what ammo is handy.
13006  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: rock band 2 announced! on: September 13, 2008, 05:28:27 PM

Quote from: Gratch on September 13, 2008, 04:51:58 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 13, 2008, 04:45:43 PM

Quote from: Gratch on September 13, 2008, 02:30:16 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 13, 2008, 02:22:14 PM

Quote from: Gratch on September 13, 2008, 01:53:46 PM

Huh, I didn't know the drums were out already.  Are they selling them individually, or is it just in the complete bundle?

I was going to pick up a wireless headset, but maybe I'll grab the new drums instead and see if I can get my existing wired headset to work with them this time around.

Like a cold, wet blanket of reality...

 saywhat


Oops, sorry, Grue.  Posted to the wrong forum.

LOL, Grue?

Damnit!  That's it!  I'll never post in the Gaming Train forums again.
13007  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Official Rock Band DLC News, Impressions, and Comments Thread on: September 13, 2008, 04:46:19 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on September 13, 2008, 10:15:15 AM

They shipped mine too, but EBgames doesn't do Sat delivery, so you won't get it until Mon frown

Like a cold, wet blanket of reality...
13008  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: rock band 2 announced! on: September 13, 2008, 04:45:43 PM

Quote from: Gratch on September 13, 2008, 02:30:16 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 13, 2008, 02:22:14 PM

Quote from: Gratch on September 13, 2008, 01:53:46 PM

Huh, I didn't know the drums were out already.  Are they selling them individually, or is it just in the complete bundle?

I was going to pick up a wireless headset, but maybe I'll grab the new drums instead and see if I can get my existing wired headset to work with them this time around.

Like a cold, wet blanket of reality...

 saywhat


Oops, sorry, Grue.  Posted to the wrong forum.
13009  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: rock band 2 announced! on: September 13, 2008, 04:43:02 PM

Quote from: Chaz on September 13, 2008, 04:29:43 PM

Aqualung is one of my favorite song on RB2.  It's awesome for every instrument (bass included!).

But not flute.
13010  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: rock band 2 announced! on: September 13, 2008, 02:22:14 PM

Quote from: Gratch on September 13, 2008, 01:53:46 PM

Huh, I didn't know the drums were out already.  Are they selling them individually, or is it just in the complete bundle?

I was going to pick up a wireless headset, but maybe I'll grab the new drums instead and see if I can get my existing wired headset to work with them this time around.

Like a cold, wet blanket of reality...
13011  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Wii] Tiger Woods PGA Tour 09 All-Play on: September 13, 2008, 02:19:27 PM
From what I've heard, the swing is about the same as last year.  Reports seem to be holding out hope that next year's version will have True Motion Plus support.
13012  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: rock band 2 announced! on: September 13, 2008, 12:46:24 AM
1st review I've seen.  IGN 9.0 Outstanding.

Quote
Closing Comments
Rock Band 2 improves in several areas over the original. The track list is better, the difficulty has been bumped up, it's more accessible, all previously released DLC works from the get-go, and Battle of the Bands is a brilliant online mode. But there's no getting around the fact that almost nothing was done to the main mode, World Tour. This is still the primary feature of Rock Band and yet it seems to have been neglected. It's hard to notice the newness when there's a big chunk of game that is just the same as it ever was.

That said, music game fans would be absolutely crazy not to buy Rock Band 2. Even if you hate a few of the songs on disc, you are still getting an incredible deal. It's less than a dollar a song, with an extra 20 free DLC coming in the next couple of months. That's just too good to pass up.
13013  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: rock band 2 announced! on: September 13, 2008, 12:42:33 AM
Heh.  Awkward.

I feel like I'm at a party talking with Chaz and Jersoc came up and puked on his shoes.
13014  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Guitar Hero: World Tour Song List on: September 12, 2008, 06:14:43 PM
Well, I may have to get it just for "Do It Again."  Overall, though, GH is always a little too heavy-oriented for me and my group. 
13015  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Preview] Saints Row 2 - 10 hours of playtime! on: September 12, 2008, 01:53:41 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on September 12, 2008, 03:18:05 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 12, 2008, 03:10:32 AM

My eyes must be going funny.
Eh?

Your line about the hookers, right under the preview image was confusing, is all.

As for SR2, I'm IN.  I actually just finished the first one this week.  If you don't get bogged down in the activities (which I had for a long time), it's not too long of a game.  Not to say don't do the activities.  Some of them are very fun.
13016  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Preview] Saints Row 2 - 10 hours of playtime! on: September 12, 2008, 03:10:32 AM
My eyes must be going funny.
13017  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XBL/PSN]Star Wars :The Force Unleashed demo Impressions on: September 11, 2008, 04:36:00 PM
Is there not a way to combine these two posts into one?
13018  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: SW Force Unleashed(PS3/360) reviews are starting to trickle in on: September 11, 2008, 04:35:08 PM
Is there not a way to combine these two posts into one?
13019  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: rock band 2 announced! on: September 11, 2008, 01:07:26 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 11, 2008, 03:05:25 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 10, 2008, 01:35:17 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on September 10, 2008, 12:44:35 PM

When will Harmonix wake up and put some LIVE on RB.  Anything from Throwing Copper would be awesome.

Yeah, that would be nice.  Although one of those guys has the same exact name as me, which would either be cool or distracting.

One of the band members is named Bullwinkle? Weird.

No, no.  It's my secret identity.  Bullwinkle's the name I fight crime with.  Like this:

13020  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Eye of Judgment clearance at Target! on: September 11, 2008, 03:25:58 AM
Holy crap!  I randomly called Target today about the Eye of Judgment (the newly announced Hero game got me wanting a PS Eye).  Turns out it's on clearance for @ $35!  That's 50% off and less than the camera by itself.  It's still listed at $69.99 on the website for some reason, so if you're interested, call your local store!
13021  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: rock band 2 announced! on: September 11, 2008, 12:15:45 AM

Quote from: Dimmona on September 10, 2008, 11:19:49 PM

Okay, more proof that Harmonix rules:






Tap Tap...Is this thing on?

Granted, I didn't add the pictures...
13022  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: rock band 2 announced! on: September 10, 2008, 01:35:17 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on September 10, 2008, 12:44:35 PM

When will Harmonix wake up and put some LIVE on RB.  Anything from Throwing Copper would be awesome.

Yeah, that would be nice.  Although one of those guys has the same exact name as me, which would either be cool or distracting.
13023  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: rock band 2 announced! on: September 10, 2008, 02:14:29 AM
This from Kotaku:

Quote
Street dates are for housewives and little girls! Rock Band 2 thumbs its nose at such restrictions and, as reader "Lancellot" shows us, gives a virtual high five to anyone who managed to finagle a pre-release copy of MTV Games and Harmonix's latest.

"Welcome to Rock Band 2!" the congratulatory splash screen reads "Nice work on scoring the game before it comes out!" So refreshing to see someone not be so uptight about the occasional retail leak.

Now, that doesn't mean the street date is broken, but it is a good sign that it may be possible.  Assuming you believe anything from Kotaku.

Either way, it means I'll be calling every store every day until Sunday, unfortunately.
13024  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Recommend me a review site on: September 10, 2008, 02:12:46 AM

Quote from: Gratch on September 10, 2008, 02:01:39 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on September 10, 2008, 01:18:15 AM

Quote from: whiteboyskim on September 10, 2008, 12:30:02 AM

Quote from: Gratch on September 09, 2008, 09:46:24 PM

We've been known to do reviews on this site from time to time.  smile

+1

wwhhhhaaaaaa?????

Hey, I didn't suffer through Spectral Force 3 for my own amusement, you know.  I sacrificed for you, The People!tm

They're trademarking exclamation points now?
13025  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: rock band 2 announced! on: September 09, 2008, 11:50:02 PM

Quote from: Ralph-Wiggum on September 09, 2008, 10:35:03 PM

Quote from: jersoc on September 09, 2008, 08:56:20 PM

yeah, thats what i figured as well. seems like an error. it lets you go through with store pick up too.

It shows that RB2 is in, but it also says that it's a pre-order.

Yeah, it's basically saying the Pre-Order is available.  You get a shirt with it, though.
13026  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: SW Force Unleashed(PS3/360) reviews are starting to trickle in on: September 09, 2008, 11:47:26 PM

Quote from: Jag on September 09, 2008, 10:52:22 PM

Quote from: mikeg on September 09, 2008, 09:43:05 PM

This has completely been taken off my play list.  I don't even want to rent it.  Went from being #2 this year to off my list altogether.  The blessing/curse of the demo.

Same. I'm not a fan of console controls to begin with. Give me a mouse and a lightsaber anyday.

Asctually, with a lightsaber, I feel like a controller is a better fit.  The mouse doesn't move in the right way.  Granted I'd love to see a stick lightsaber (or, of course, a 1:1 wiimote saber) versus buttons, but the mouse always felt odd to me.
13027  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Official Rock Band DLC News, Impressions, and Comments Thread on: September 09, 2008, 05:29:20 PM

Quote from: RLMullen on September 09, 2008, 04:15:49 PM

... I can see this going the way of "Nevermind", which was announced prior to launch.

No, it wasn't.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169710
13028  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox 360 relaunch Sept 25th? on: September 09, 2008, 02:52:32 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on September 09, 2008, 02:50:16 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 09, 2008, 12:52:51 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on September 09, 2008, 06:15:13 AM

doesnt look like it may not be happening after all

http://kotaku.com/5047059/g4-says-no-to-xbox-360-relaunch-rumor


Quote
While we're waiting to hear back from Microsoft on the VGChartz forum-sourced Xbox 360 "relaunch" rumor and speculation, one allegedly involved party has given us denial. G4 reps told us that the 5-hour specialí rumored to air on the cable network is "fake."


Honestly, the G4 aspect was the one thing that screams FAKE to me the loudest.  Does anyone honestly think any network would give up 5 hours of TV time and not be hyping the shit out of it a mere two weeks before the event?  Especially G4, who run ads for nothing multiple times each commercial break.

Yeah, G4 is not one to sit on hype.  They really need to get viewers for their 2 hours of new programming a week.  I would guess that if any of this is true it would come before the big dashboard update in November, not now. 

The rumor was saying the big dashboard update was part of this.
13029  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox 360 relaunch Sept 25th? on: September 09, 2008, 12:52:51 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on September 09, 2008, 06:15:13 AM

doesnt look like it may not be happening after all

http://kotaku.com/5047059/g4-says-no-to-xbox-360-relaunch-rumor


Quote
While we're waiting to hear back from Microsoft on the VGChartz forum-sourced Xbox 360 "relaunch" rumor and speculation, one allegedly involved party has given us denial. G4 reps told us that the 5-hour specialí rumored to air on the cable network is "fake."

Honestly, the G4 aspect was the one thing that screams FAKE to me the loudest.  Does anyone honestly think any network would give up 5 hours of TV time and not be hyping the shit out of it a mere two weeks before the event?  Especially G4, who run ads for nothing multiple times each commercial break.
13030  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (9/8) on: September 08, 2008, 10:16:57 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on September 08, 2008, 09:56:24 PM

Quote from: hepcat on September 08, 2008, 09:30:55 PM

Quote from: Sparhawk on September 08, 2008, 09:03:54 PM

You can buy the rock band 2 stand alone drum set this week too if you're just interested in playing that instrument.

apparently buying it any other day than on a tuesday is verboten around these parts...

For me it's the fact that by the time I can buy the game on Sunday my weekend is nearly over.  I do the majority of my gaming on Friday night and Saturday.  If the game isn't out until Sunday then that means I basically have the game for almost a week before I can devote a lot of time to it. 

It would just be nice to have a standard release day (I don't care if it's Tuesday or Thursday) so you don't have to guess "Will this store have my game in today?  What about that store?  What about that other game?  Who frickin knows."  And it's not like stores don't already have policies in place to handle music and movies like that, so why should games be so difficult?

I agree with that idea completely.

However, my whole family is looking forward to rocking out for several hours on Sunday.
13031  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XBL/PSN]Star Wars :The Force Unleashed demo Impressions on: September 08, 2008, 03:55:35 PM

Quote from: pr0ner on September 08, 2008, 02:57:46 PM

Quote from: JCC on September 08, 2008, 12:55:35 AM

Quote from: Simon on September 08, 2008, 12:51:52 AM

EGM's reviewers gave it C / C / B-. Rethinking my preorder now.

The text of the EGM review was most worrying to me. On the first few levels you're introduced to the awesome force powers, but then you spend a lot of the game fighting guys who have anti-force gear? Sounds like the "Force Quite Leashed" to me.... I was IN after the demo, but now I am OUT until I hear more reassuring impressions of the game proper.

Yeah, this was a big bummer when I read the EGM review.

Seriously.  Force/energy shields?  That's never been in any of the movies, or any of the books I've read.  What's the point?

This game is going to be just a rental for me.

[pushes geek glasses up nose] Actually, there were the lizards in the first set of books, the Ysalamir, which could block the force and were pretty powerful.  Snort. [/geek glasses]

Bad idea in the books, too, though.
13032  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (9/8) on: September 08, 2008, 02:16:34 PM
Virtual Console/Wiiware has

Cho Aniki
VC
Final Soldier VC
Groovin' Blocks WW

I'll be getting Lock's Quest and MCF: Millionheir (these games are very addictive).  Also, Spore. 
Then Rock Band 2 on Sunday next week!
13033  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: rock band 2 announced! on: September 07, 2008, 03:01:07 PM

Quote from: Gratch on August 28, 2008, 12:12:29 AM


Aw, now that's a bit of a bummer.  Once you get past Kansas and Steve Miller, the only tunes I care about are "Ramblin' Man" and "Bodhisattva."  It seems to be extremely Metal heavy toward the end there.  There's always a risk of that, since instruments seem to be played hard and fast in that genre, but I feel like they did a slightly better balancing job last year.  I don't know all of the songs, so I could be misjudging.  Of course, not knowing all of the songs is it's own issue... icon_wink
13034  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Ultimate Proof Sony Is Winning ... what? on: September 07, 2008, 02:54:06 PM

Quote from: Purge on July 22, 2008, 08:46:53 PM

Quote from: rickfc on July 22, 2008, 08:41:27 PM

Quote from: Caine on July 22, 2008, 08:23:16 PM


what i love is that this kid, who loved gears of war, apparently forgot that the sequel is coming out in a few months.  maybe when he sees it in action he'll bounce back to the 360 and sell his ps3 and one game.  

I'm sure she'll have an article that day about how she has proof that the 360 is making a comeback.  Tongue

More likely that he'll end up going blind from playing his Wii into the early hours of the morning, and then we'll have a 1:1 ratio of kids playing video games to kids going blind.

(and yes, Wii was a double entendre)

No, we won't have the 1:1 ratio until the Motion Plus comes out.  Right now, it's a slightly delayed wank.
13035  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mercenaries 2 impressions thread on: September 06, 2008, 09:32:10 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on September 06, 2008, 07:23:06 PM

Yes, I know they were "optional", but if they are there and keep presenting themselves to me I have a pathologic need not to fail and miss out on the content/options they present. 

I agree that Mercs 2 is not an A+ game but I guess I enjoy it despite its flaws, whereas some other games' flaws (like GTA4) drive me away. 

You can turn your phone off and not even be bothered by the calls.  That's generally what I do.  Or I'll say, "Sure, I'll go bowling with you" then call back a half second later to say, "Sorry, I can't make it," which apparently keeps them happy with you.  Still, it is a PITA to have to keep switching that "feature" off.   The dating gameplay is easily the worst thing about GTA IV.  And it's a big thing.
13036  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Godfather II on: September 06, 2008, 09:26:36 PM

Quote from: whiteboyskim on September 06, 2008, 07:02:39 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on September 06, 2008, 05:55:34 PM

Quote from: whiteboyskim on September 06, 2008, 05:52:43 PM

I wonder if the finale is you on the boat and you have to play a mini-game of pulling out your gun without being noticed.

/intentionally vague for those who have not seen the film

If you haven't seen a 35 year old classic, then I say too frickin' bad.  The statute of limitations has run out for your sorry butt.  Tongue

But this is the interwebs where people bitch and complain about things they should already be plain aware of but aren't, often because of their own faults. I'm just not anxious to see a flame war start because I brought up Michael launching the nuclear warheads against California from his boat before they faded to black. Spoiling that just seems wrong.

You bastard!

Wait a minute.  That was the season finale of The Office this year.
13037  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Official Rock Band DLC News, Impressions, and Comments Thread on: September 06, 2008, 02:38:25 PM
I realize we've moved on from this, but the recent grumbles here make me want to amend my post about the albums announcement throwing off the stink of the failed Rush album.  Although I am pretty sure the two go hand in hand, I personally think Harmonix has done a fantastic job with DLC.  Everybody wants different things from this game.  Party game, personal challenge, way to discover new music.  They're hitting everything and everyone's tastes.  OF COURSE, that's not going to happen every week.  It's been clear that they love music and love giving it to us.  I'm not going to begrudge them things slowing to a trickle (even though DLC is still coming fast and furious, really) to prepare for the Rock N Roll explosion of awesome that is sure to be Rock Band 2!
13038  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Bully-Xbox 360 Final Analysis. Worth A Purchase? on: September 06, 2008, 02:27:07 PM
I've been thinking about this game lately because we got a Ralph Lauren Rugby catalog in the mail, and it has people on it who look like this:



And one of them is bald.

I only got as far as opening the town when other things distracted me.  I vow to finish this game someday, but I've got to get through some others first.
13039  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mercenaries 2 impressions thread on: September 06, 2008, 02:19:22 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on September 06, 2008, 04:33:51 AM

Quote from: Jimmy the Fish on September 06, 2008, 12:06:13 AM

Gamespot posted their review of the game and gave it a stellar 5.0. Ouch.

so I guess they'll be hiring soon?

doog-a-ding!

13040  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Populous is coming to the DS! on: September 05, 2008, 10:32:38 PM

Quote from: Destructor on September 05, 2008, 07:38:38 PM

I think Populous was old enough that it was playing at 320x240. How old was it again?

It was so old, it was rendered in cave drawings.

It was so old, it's UPC number was 000-000-0001.

It was so old, this God game was actually played by Baby Jesus.
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