Ratings-wise, imho it was a mistake to counter-program an old ratings warhorse like NCIS. I don't see Agents ever having strong ratings against it. Not even if they turn Coulson into Thanos, Maria Hill into a strip tease dancer, Sky into a virtual prostitute and Ward into a robot Nazi. So my theory is find a time slot where fans can find it but where it won't get pummeled into the ratings by a top-5 show that has built up a huge audience over many seasons.
My gut feeling is ABC/Disney will renew the show so as to not tick off Joss Whedon by firing his brother and sister-in-law. And perhaps they think if the show survives long enough, maybe Whedon will get more directly involved in the show once Avengers: Age of Ultron's released (almost exactly 1 year from now - May 1, 2015).
While it's all well and good, I'm 49 now, not 12-18 (my age during the original trilogy). I don't respond to the same things in movies or TV anymore (yeah I still see spring-summer movies I love 3-5 times), though obviously SW in its heyday appealed to everyone across all ages. I wish JJ and co. best of luck in finding that sort of broad appeal again in an era where the Internet monitors and analyzes every millisecond of your work.
Quote from: Blackjack on April 28, 2014, 05:36:45 PM
I heard Blackjack stopped posting here for weeks after having a Captain America hissy fit.
However, I did then sincerely apologize for questioning why you saw it five times in one week. It wasn't my intention to insult you, I was just astounded at your dedication to the cause.
Hey it's cool. I am a melodrama queen sometimes. I wanted to take my mom and visiting aunt to see Cap 2 but mom's got back aches and seems to think doing yardwork is more therapeutic than Cap and Co. I did show her the 2nd theatrical trailer on my iPad Air and she was delighted by it. So there's that. Though I guess I won't get to see it a 6th time. ======
As for why folks stop posting here, in my own experience online, sometimes if you feel too Stereotyped at a board, you may want to just move on somewhere where folks don't know you, reinvent yourself. I posted under another name at other boards and when I started hanging out here wanted to use a different name and bring no baggage, so to speak. I mean, maybe CeeKay for years delighted in being poked fun at as "That CeeKay" and then he just decided he didn't like that treatment anymore.
Or sometimes one has an argument at a board that gets under one's skin, and you just knee jerk decide you don't want to post at that place anymore. Maybe you just feel a place has become sort of unfriendly. I actually had that experience at a smaller board, and that's how I ended up starting to post here around 2007-2008 I think.
Or sometimes here I just realized that 99% of the games I like are not FPSs and not big releases and are just not the kind of games where my threads get much discussion. Not even discussions saying "that game sucks, why do you play it?" SWTOR for a while was finally that big mega game that I played and everyone played here, no shortage of chatter on it. These days I'm playing a lot of indy games, lot of Steam early access titles, lots of isometric and top down niche games. So sometimes I'll blather and post screenies/vids for a while and then think, "clearly nobody at GT cares about this kind of game so why am I yakking to myself like this?" And that'll be my cue to "take a break."
Personally, I wish we still had the separate PC games forum cause that's mostly (outside of some DS stuff) all I play still. And I feel like often people just don't look past the first page of threads. I realize they can search for thread titles but I still just imagine most folks scan that first page and that's it. Maybe I should do a poll on that some day? There won't be an option to send me to go see a Saw sequel.
Or perhaps I'm over navel gazing, and it's really just about moving on for no particular specific reason.
Finally got back into this while taking some time off last week. Captain America seems a lot more better good to play now. They seem to have taken some cues from the last movies on attacks (some animations seem cooler than I remember at least). Airborne Assault (fairly long cooldown) -- which has you leaping in a huge arc and slamming into the ground for tremendous AOE damage -- is all kinds of awesome.
I'll try to put some sort of video together about Cap as he plays now.
I was impatient to try The Falcon as "team up" partner (think much jazzier/permanent versions of Diablo II's mercenaries). The partners work as a sort of carrot to leveling up. I'm eager to hit L40 (my Cap's L38) and get Falcon's third tier skill. One lets him empty his pistol clips for a short, high dmg burst special attack; the other seems to let him swoop in via his jetpacks and knock down large groups.
While I do still enjoy the campaign -- you can play it again now at appropriate levels for you, but it still feels even on the Heroic and Superheroic difficulty levels to play way too easy at this point, perhaps I'm not setting the skill levels properly. Then again, I remember in early City of Heroes the complaint being "this doesn't feel super heroic to have to whack at the same enemy 10 times to knock him down." So far I'm still having dumb fun with Cap and Falcon and any call-in pets obliterating massive armies single handed.
Although I see lots of folks in game I really never get to do pick up groups anymore. I guess everyone just does terminals and the various event stuff. This is kind of a shame because it looks like they revamped a lot of the instances (Fisk Tower for example) to have wider corridors and areas more conductive to team play but I played heavily for four days and never got on a single pick up group in terms of the campaign stuff.
That always tends to make me sad about MMOs. Invariably they're not in great shape at launch and then by the time they get updated into what I wanted them to be at launch, the folks I might've played it with have already moved on.
I heard Blackjack stopped posting here for weeks after having a Captain America hissy fit. Sources say it's just an ugly rumor though (because Blackjack is ugly ), and nobody even noticed he wasn't posting anymore anyway. He's just another nobody here.
I finally got back into Marvel Heroes the last few days, fwiw. Captain America's revamped Airborne Assault attack? Awesome.
5 times??? My god man, why not just see it twice and use the other 30 bucks to buy the blu ray when it comes out?
I think I've seen one movie twice in the theaters in the past 20 years. Brick, and only because the dialog in that film is so freakin' fantastic I wanted to make sure I caught it all.
I don't have BluRay and as mentioned earlier, I actually enjoy catching movies on a large screen in theaters, which is ya know, the idea of movies as opposed to TV. Although now that Cox is screening Game of Thrones at movie theaters, maybe that whole idea is backwards now. Though I'll grant people aren't really into a movie as much after it's been out for a week.
More often than not these days I find myself buying DVDs or asking for stuff on disc, and I never even watch them. I don't care if folks have a 90" big screen and rocking chairs at home, it's just not the same experience as in a theater opening day/weekend. I try not to argue the point anymore cause I don't really care how other people want to consume their media.
And being as probably everybody here spends hundreds of dollars a year on gaming in all forms, please begrudge me a few dozen dollars for a movie and characters I love. I guess I don't have anything more to say on this topic anyway, now that the only discussion is on skin complexion.
Oh what the heck, every blog on Earth is posting these, so here's the photos of Chris Evans from Korea Yonhap is South Korea's main news agency. I think the videos are of the stunt double, who's just a bit bulkier than Evans. Kind of interesting he's on an Audi (!) in Korea. Chevy was the main automaker sponsor for Cap 2, but Audi I think has been the one for the Iron Man films.
Since Marvel clearly wasn't discouraging filming and photography, I wonder if the story angle incorporates Avengers getting treated like rock stars there.
*Think they filmed this with his stunt double originally, with the car moving.
Can't really chat about the Avengers emblem without getting into Cap 2 spoilers...
Spoiler for Hiden:
Some fan speculation is with S.H.I.E.L.D. being, you know, maybe Stark is funding the Avengers as a standalone organization with an official emblem. Though given how IM3 ends, I'm not sure where the money comes from now.
Aw, my mom (78) has some ribcage pains, and doctor put her on some heavy duty Tylenol so no taking her to see Cap 2 today.
I'm torn between seeing it a 5th time, or the Raid 2 (I may invite a former co-worker down from Maryland to see it with me; we had caught The Raid in D.C. in 2012) or that horror movie Oculus. Hmmmm... sounds like a GT forums poll, right? Doesn't even have a Saw sequel in it.
One of the most important design principles of Gauntlet was the introduction of four distinct player classes. This is something that Arrowhead has really taken to heart, and not only do the classes have different strengths and weaknesses; the mechanics themselves are different.
The Elf for instance, one of two ranged characters, controls like a twin-stick shooter, where you move with one stick and shoot with the other. Like the original and unlike its sequel, the new Gauntlet doesn't allow for multiple characters of the same class.
There is the Warrior and the Valkyrie for close quarter, where the Valkyrie has a shield block that allows for a different play-style compared to the more standard tank stylings of the Warrior.
The Wizard wasn't properly tuned in the build we sampled so the developer took charge of that character.
What is easy to see right from the first room is that the game has been designed to favour player skill. There's no automatic lock on that will aid you on your quest as an Elf, you really have to send out those arrows and abilities in the right direction. ... If you're familiar with Magicka you're probably wondering about friendly fire. And this is something that the team played around with a lot before settling on just allowing for shoving rather than full on friendly fire. It simply got more frustrating than fun. But they're leaving the door open for a hardcore mode with full-on friendly fire. And of course, the Elf can always "accidentally" shoot that piece of meat that the Warrior so dearly desires.
One addition to the concept are Relics. In the demo we played there were two relics that you were able to pick up. These relics add a new ability, such as boots that will make you run faster or an area of effect ice attack. The idea in the full game is that players will unlock these and customise their build ahead of each level; an interesting idea that has far reaching effects. A faster Valkyrie becomes a very different kind of class, capable of strong lunging attacks, but also nimble on its feet, while the ice attack that affects an area around is a better fit for a tank build. Just how many options and how much effect these will eventually have on the classes and their balance remains to be seen, but it's certainly something that adds a modern flavour to the experience.
The structure of the game has changed during development. At first they wanted to make an entirely procedurally generated game with random rooms and dungeons throughout, but as the team puts it that was "simply no fun to play". Instead there will be designed "adventure levels" with more elaborated design and better pacing in-between the procedurally generated levels and boss levels.
A blog called Joblo.com posted some neat photos of Chris Evans (earlier pix were his stunt double) on set in South Korea, with the new Avengers costume that seems like a cool hybrid of the first Avengers' costume's color scheme, the "helmet with ear holes" from Cap 2's stealth suit, and the WWII suit from late in Cap 1.
More Set Pics and Video of Captain America in Avengers: Age of Ultron http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/more-set-pics-and-video-of-captain-america-in-avengers-age-of-ultron *They seem to have added a bit of padding to the forearms and a bit of shoulderpads and kneepads too (at least, seems more noticeable). Boots have a bit of red strapping. *Since modern Cap doesn't use firearms, a bit curious about what's in his "ammo belt" pockets. Maybe Tony or Black Widow provided him some new toys? *Much ado made of the Avengers insignia on the left upper arm, suggesting a more formalized organization.
I like the new look and don't have an interest in the "scales" from the comic -- I think in real life they'd make him look like a bird.
Summer in Korea can get pretty uncomfortable, so it makes sense they wrapped up filming in early Spring. ============
I watched Avengers all the way through on Monday via Netflix (can't seem to find my DVD ) to refresh my memory. While I still loved it, it did jump out to me how carefully Joss frames his action. He's not a fan of hand-camera work, nor of zooming in claustrophobically (per Nolan's Batman films). It's like I could always see the parties involved, and never got confused by his camera placement/edits.
That said, watching his fighting take on Cap was almost deflating after the "in your face-ness" of the Russos in Cap 2. While I don't expect Whedon to indulge in handheld camera stuff (I wouldn't want him to), hopefully he'll take some inspiration at least maybe in spirit of how they handled Cap's fighting scenes, and making more versatile use of the shield, being less of a grumpy Boy Scout counterpart to Tony Stark etc.
Speaking of makeup, learned this interesting tidbit from listening to an Empire (UK) magazine podcast interview with the directors (Russos). Not a mega spoiler but probably don't view this unless you've seen Cap 2.
Spoiler for Hiden:
As with "Skinny Steve" in the first Cap movie, they used almost entirely digital FX for the scene with Hayley Atwell in the retirement home.
If you recall, they used a then new FX technique that "shank" Evans' body both in weight and height. So it's not like pasting a real head on a digitized body, it's more like digitally shrinking someone's actual body on screen. It's commonly used in commercials now -- you may see a head inflated to giant size, a baby digitally inflated to adult size, etc.
So apparently in Cap 2 they digitally aged Atwell's face. To me that's still kind of guess work as to what she'd look like at about age 98 (she was 27-28 when doing Cap 1 and when it released), though it does look different than aging makeup.
They said they were concerned aging prosthetics would just look too much like an obvious makeup effect.
I had read the original concept was Peggy Carter would still be active, working at a retirement home for military veterans, so I was kind of surprised when she was bedridden in Cap 2. I thought maybe they'd finally get to have that dance, albeit a bit on the slow side.
fwiw, it's up to about $113+M domestically and at least $207M in foreign markets (box office tracker sites don't track the foreign numbers in "real time" so numbers haven't been updated for a couple weeks now).
This discussion shows you guys are more hopeless than I am. I didn't think that was possible.
btw, go see Captain America: The Winter Soldier again this weekend (or for the first time if you haven't). Don't let the Rio 2 bastards win! It probably will win, in spite of meh reviews, because parents are so starved for anything they can take their kids to.
"Hmmm, Cap 2, what's the body count in that? Ohhhh. Plus Black Widow looks like someone put Tang on her face, and Cap looks like an albino? That might scar the kids for life." "How about Nymphomaniac 2, is that about a talking Praying Mantis? No? It's about what? Oh dear..." "What about the animated film with the talking Fruit Loops Touchans? Some animals get eaten? But it's for laughs. OK, maybe that one."
Sideshow plans to issue some 1/4 scale figures soon too, though it doesn't sound like they're cheaper. They're generally limited to 1500, something like that and hard core collectors seem to just order them all the moment they're available, anywho.
Upcoming are some 1:4 ratio statues, alas even more crazy expensive ($399) by a different company, Gentle Giant:
Now I know why I'm not into premium action figures or statues. Not the geek factor (hey I saw Cap 2 four times, I'm aready hopeless ), I'd just rather spend that much money on food or games or a console, or maybe see Cap 2 in IMAX 20 more times.
Still kinda fun to look at anyway. ========================= Seen some cool spoileriffic interviews with the Russos (directors) and writers (Marcus and McFeely) on the movie and some murky thoughts on what to pursue for Cap 3. I'll refrain from blabber on that [even in spoiler code] for a while.
It's funny -- the whole Cap-Agents of SHIELD angle stuff has forced so many blogs/sites to stick SPOILERS in big red letters about anything remotely to do with either. One Joss Whedon fan news site pretty much had to do that for every post the last couple of days.
The 1/6th scale Steve Rogers Collectible Figure specially features: -Newly developed head sculpt with authentic and detailed likeness of Chris Evans as Steve Rogers in his civilian outfit in Marvel’s Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Captain America: The Winter Soldier Figure from Hot Toys CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER FIGURE FROM HOT TOYS
-Movie-accurate facial expression with detailed wrinkles and skin texture -Body with over 30 points of articulations -Approximately 31 cm tall -Four pairs of interchangeable palms including: -One pair of relaxed palms -One pair of fists -One pair of palms for holding shield -One pair of open palms -Each piece of head sculpt is specially hand-painted
Quote from: Ralph-Wiggum on April 09, 2014, 01:07:38 AM
Not necessarily something that's gone, but I went to Wendy's for the first time in years today. What happened to their dollar menu? A Jr. Cheeseburger Deluxe is now $1.59? A Jr. Bacon Cheeseburger $1.79? As far as I could tell, they only had three items left priced at $.99: a Jr. Cheeseburger (I guess it's just bread, meat, and cheese?), the crispy chicken sandwich, and the value fries. The 99 cent menu used to be the reason Wendy's was my fast food of choice back in the day. And even the "value" meals are crazy expensive ($6+). Has low quality ground beef gone up in price that much?
Actually from what I read, the selective price hike may be more related to produce becoming more expensive. That might explain why basic burgers remain cheapy but stuff with admittedly just a lettuce leaf and a tomato slice or two go up.
Combo meals have always been mostly a ripoff for lazy people - like me - who just don't want to laboriously order individual items. imho soft drinks are still where most restaurants (fast food or "casual" like Chipotle) stick it to you. Some charge like $1.59 to $2 or more for a cup of soda (if you're getting to go, no refills involved to make the cost make sense).
Although I work right next door to a Wendy's, I usually stick with Subway these days for health reasons -- the recent "Yoga Mat Report" notwithstanding -- and the price is really not much pricier than greasier fast food fare. I do still get a Taco Bell fix once in a while but only rarely go to McD's anymore now that I don't work within walking distance of one.
I read a recap over at Collider. Sounds cool, though the whole idea that they intentionally made the show arguably milquetoast and dull because they needed to wait for Cap 2 to release first, so that they could then flip a switch and unveil the "real" show is... a remarkably peculiar way of doing/marketing a TV show that's supported by advertisers who can't be happy if the show was purposely made in a way that was going to shed something like 12 million viewers since its high-rated premiere before they could say, "Woah, this is the REAL show! Come back!!!"
I'd watch but my procrastinating staff writer's gonna keep me here at work too late. Like George Clooney-as-Batman-said: "This is why Superman works alone."
I'll count on you allies to give me a confidential report in spoiler codes or via PM. Don't worry about spoiling it for me, just wanna know what happened. Yeah I should stop being a Captain America-like fossil who doesn't have a DVR.
Quote from: rittchard on April 07, 2014, 06:13:49 PM
I love the Cap/Bucky dynamic (talk about a bromance that survives the test of time!), was hoping for more but it looks like that will be addressed in the sequel.
As for Chris Evans, one of the rumors I read was that in the comic Bucky takes over as Captain America after Steve Rogers dies, so they could play on that in the 3rd film, i.e. kill off Chris and have Sebastian Stan take over for future sequels.
Spoiler for Hiden:
Also loved the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver teaser. So I see that's how they are getting around the "mutant" issue, they are totally going a different angle. Kind of sucks for hardcore Marvel fans, but it seems like we'll never get to see the X-Universe mix with this one.
Yeah I liked the Cap/Bucky stuff. I was going to gab about it but I guess I shouldn't assume everyone here knows their story.
Stan taking over would for sure make sense IF Marvel wants a different take (Brubaker did a whole bunch of Cap comics with Cap thought to be dead and Bucky as a darker, edgier Cap. Cap eventually got revived, and Bucky returned to his Winter Soldier persona, ostensibly as a good guy. Though I think I read Marvel recently cancelled the Winter Soldier comic.
Who knows what things will be like by 2017 or 2018 when Evans is presumably in Avengers 3 and finishes his contract? Downey Jr. finished his contract with IM3 but afik did signed up for Avengers 2.
Director Joe Johnston apparently signed a two-picture deal with Marvel. Clearly he's not returning for Cap. In interviews in 2011 he sounded very excited about The Winter Soldier but that's not happening. So perhaps they're not really going to use JJ again unless they found a comics property that's more in his wheelhouse.
The point being contracts aren't sort of stone tablets. It's possible for an actor to re-up once the initial one's over (Downey Jr.), for an actor to just decide one's enough in spite of the number of movies the contract was for (Weaving), or it's possible to sign a contract for multiple and the studio decide that one time was enough (director Johnston).
I suspect some Avengers might have smaller roles in 2, just due to the nature of the story. But frankly, if there's anyone I trust to manage an ensemble cast that large, it's Joss Whedon. Not because I'm some superfan of his, but rather that he's proven himself very capable of directing shows with large ensemble casts.
While I don't know what to believe, Joss has told folks The Hulk and Hawkeye will get more extensive storyline stuff this time around. Hawkeye spent most of Avengers walking around brainwashed, and Hulk/Banner was of course much fun perhaps in part because he just Was and Avengers didn't have to burn time on a mini origin story. I'd suspect as a scientist Banner might have reason to be more involved with fighting Ultron.
Since teaming up opposites like Cap and Black Widow worked so well in Cap 2, I could see why mixing different personalities and um body builds like Hulk and Hawkeye might be cool.
Given the varied location filming, I'm wondering if they'll -- perhaps like this season's Walking Dead -- have the characters working in duos here and there, and then eventually coming together. The motorcycle rider in the video in Korea is presumably a Black Widow stand-in.
I'm kind of eager to see how Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch work with the rest of the team. Like if Quicksilver held Cap and his shield up and ran with them like a supersonic battering ram.
It still seems unlikely both would keep that date. The U.S. has only so many theaters and it seems unlikely both would want to battle it out for their 3,900+ theater screen share or risk a competing mega summer release cutting into its box office numbers.
imho, too many entertainment blogs are overreacting to a Chris Evans comment a while back. Which seemed more that he loves working with Marvel and might consider in the future limiting his acting jobs to his Marvel Universe work and not actively pursuing other acting work so much, and then trying outside of that to focus more on directing. Which everyone headlined as, "Chris Evans wants to quit acting!"
He did a lot of backtracking on that in interviews last week. Clearly it's not how he meant it be construed. Though I wouldn't blame Evans after finishing Avengers 2 and then a short turnaround for Cap 3 (rather 2 years later than Cap 2, rather than 3) for simply wanting a break. He's still only about 32.
Didn't want to disappoint you guys -- I saw it a fourth time today at a Regal Cinemas RPX. The double header was at AMC ETX, and the Friday evening and Saturday afternoon shows were at AMC IMAX. All 3D.
My take is: -Regal RPX is hands-down the crispest, brightest of the 3D showings; however (I maybe mentioned before), their leather seats squeak like David Lee Roth's leather pants. It's awful. You literally cannot MOVE one centimeter without this horrible leather squeak. The Dolby Atmos sound is excellent. People just don't seem sold on RPX's higher price as with IMAX though so most of the time the RPX showings aren't very crowded, even opening weekend. -IMAX was awesome in sound and just sheer massive scale. But it seemed slightly dim and blurry during some scenes. -ETX, which I usually love, also seemed somewhat dim and blurry. The Dolby Atmos sound was great. Guess what I want is an RPX screen/projector quality with IMAX scale and sound.
My older brother caught it, said it was a "good movie," but he'd rather see Wes Anderson's "The Budapest Hotel" multiple times instead. He also thinks Prometheus is an "awesome movie." So...
I'll take my mom to see it on Saturday, probably back at AMC IMAX.
I don't think the 3-D is necessary. It pops a bit when The Falcoln is in flight and in a couple cases where Cap tosses the shield, but hardly worth the extra cost. I just really wanted to see it on the biggest screens and in my area they just don't show it in 2-D on large screens.
For me Cap 2 is like Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back or Raiders of the Lost Ark in terms of that I just enjoyed everything (characters, set pieces, stunts, fx, humorous bits) on multiple viewings even if some of the suspense and surprise was of course gone. It's like, I feel better after watching this movie (and those movies). Which is pathetic I guess and maybe bizarre given the more ramped up violence in this. I spent a lot of time in Army Base theaters in South Korea in the early 1980s watching those aforementioned movies, trying to ward off being homesick for Virginia, and I'd just feel both drained and happy at the end of the movie. It was like hanging out with old friends. Similar with The Winter Soldier.
fwiw, it's estimated to top the $96 million mark this weekend (record for April and almost 50% better than Cap 1 in 2011). Will be interesting to see how steep the 2nd weekend drop is. Not much in the way of other big releases until The Amazing Spider-Man 2 in early May.
Having sat through the latest Godzilla trailer three times in three days (twice on IMAX) during my Captain America: The Winter Soldier saturation viewing , I can say it seems to have the right feel on the one hand; on the other hand, parts of it felt like a jazzed up Cloverfield (though Thanks God Godzilla isn't going the hand-camera route), for better or worse.
It doesn't help that ALL summer movies now are looking to obliterate the world in some way, so the trailers for Godzilla, Transformers: We Can't Stop Making ThemTM, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Michael Bay Reboot Nobody Asked ForTM, and Spider-Man: Marc Webb Tries to Cram Every Villain in Spidey's Universe into One MovieTM and X-MEN: Days of Future Past We're All Such Sad Miserable X-Men We Have to Send Wolverine Back to the 1970s To Make Us Sing Kumbaya Around an Apocalyptic FireTM practically mushed together into one gigantic clanging mush of universal obliteration.
Now I'll probably go see at least two or three of those, but it's almost as if all the summer movies are borrowing from the same directors' playbook. I'm not sure Guardians of the Galaxy will work for mass audiences but at the very least, it seems to be truly trying something different.
Anyway, Godzilla seems to have the right tone at least and an almost Jaws-like building of foreboding. imho, that's the way to do it. Hopefully they'll pull it off.
South Korean videos of some footage of Chris Evan's stunt double as Captain America, during on-location filming in South Korea. They've done some filming at a massive bridge over a river there, and on some local roads in South Korea too. Seems like with the varied locations (South Africa, ItalyEngland, South Korea etc.), Joss really wants to make Avengers 2 very global in scope, and well, that could also be helpful at the box office. I'm sure folks in the various countries participating in the filming will enjoy that.
4 New Videos from the Set of AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON Feature Captain America http://collider.com/avengers-2-set-videos/#more-324134 *Nothing earthshaking, it seems like Cap has crashed into a small car's windshield and sort of sits upright on it during this footage. The thinking seems to be that the readhead driving a motorcycle could be Scarlett Johansson's stunt double.
You can get an idea of Cap's revamped costume, which to me seems like sort of a mix of the Avengers' costume's color scheme on burlier material closer to the final costume at the end of the first Captain America movie. imho, the issue with his Avengers' costume is -- even if it gave Evans as an actor more comfort and freedom of movement -- that it just made Cap look too scrawny.
How do you guys feel about this new "turn a movie into a TV series that's just telling the movie's story over again" trend with this and the Coen brother's Fargo?
I can understand taking movie characters and telling a story that continues (going back to M*A*S*H, or even The Courtship of Eddie's Father). And I can understand when a book's made into a movie and a network wants to go back to the source material for a different take in TV form (a la The Shining).
I saw Fargo when it opened in 1996 and quite liked it although I had no idea what to expect when friends dragged me to see it then. I just don't see how it lends itself to a TV series.
But I'm stupid. I'd rather just see Captain America deflect a 20 mm rotary cannon's bullets off with his shield.
I like Zoe Saldana so I guess any reason to see her more often is good, right?
Quote from: Victoria Raverna on April 04, 2014, 02:27:24 PM
For those that have watched it. Is it suitable for 9 years old?
I'm thinking of taking my niece to watch it. She loves Avengers but think that the first Captain America a bit boring.
Well, it's PG-13 still but, I would call it a "hard" PG-13 in terms of the violence (lots of shooting, lots of people getting shot, lots of people getting punched/kicked, fair amount of blood, explosions etc.), but not language (couple cuss words) or sexual content (none to speak of).
And yeah it's true, I'm maybe not the most objective customer. However, I did find Thor, Iron Man 3, others more in the "OK" department. Iron Man, Cap 1 (in the minority there I think), Avengers I had more enthusiasm for than most of Marvel Studios' other stuff. fwiw. I dug the Russos' more visceral style while still enjoying their appreciation for certain characters/situations from the first film.
I literally fell asleep during the first movie, I'm hoping I stay conscious for this one.
Who’s strong and brave, here to save the American Way? Who vows to fight like a man for what’s right night and day? Who will campaign door-to-door for America, Carry the flag shore to shore for America, From Hoboken to Spokane,
The Star Spangled Man with a Plan! ================ zzzzzzzzzzz....
Ahem. I don't guarantee anything -- esp. for folks just jaded about comic book movies in general or who just don't find a guy using his shield 101 ways compelling.
However, if you were impatient with Joe Johnston's initial take getting through the "skinny Steve's a great guy!" portion to reach the action/combat stuff, you may dig the Russo brothers' take that doesn't waste much time on "Steve's a great guy."
If you thought Johnston's film didn't make Cap enough of a "bad ass," then as a couple guys leaving the theater ahead of me said, "They did a much better job in this film of making Cap a BAD ASS!" and perhaps you'll enjoy that.
If you dig the hand-to-hand combat of The Bourne Identity and The Raid (cited as inspirations for this), then you'll likely get kicks out of it here with a comic book layer over it. And some amazing vehicular stunt work the Russos said was inspired by stuff like The French Connection and the John Frankenheimer-directed Ronin (look it up on YouTube; I never saw it in theaters but has some amazing car case stuff).
While the movie has a looooooooooud finale, I'm happy to report it doesn't involve: -A megalomaniac in a giant robot suit (Iron Man, The Wolverine) -Armies of robots or bad guys in robot suits (Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3) -Hordes of aliens or alien monster robots (Avengers, Man of Steel)
So there's that too. The finale aside, I think many folks will find the focus more on stunt work (close-in, almost all done by the actors themselves afik) and amazing vehicular stunt work vs. CGI and green screen everywhere, refreshing. And it's not just punch-punch-punch because Cap's shield, the Winter Soldier's mechanical arm and Black Widow's gizmos all add in that comic book Flair
With the Falcon, Mackie's wonderful and fun, it's just, the jet pack stuff HAS to be CGI or him on wires in front of green screen with CGI added later. I can say they seem to have done a marvelous job of making that pretty seamless. I didn't constantly think "Oh I can see that's CGI Mackie!" =========== As far as where this stands for ME, I'd put it right up there with Avengers and Iron Man. Ask me again after the IMAX show tonight with an opening night audience.
I don't even want to sniff around the "Marvel universe implications" of the movie even a little bit, not even in spoiler codes. I'm dying to discuss one particular aspect but let's wait at least a couple weeks.
As far as 3D goes, it was required for the double feature (Real 3D). Although I usually like Real 3D and ETX at AMC, I found the image more blurry than usual and was adjusting my 3D glasses frequently (I used a lense wipe on my regular eyeglasses, I don't think that was it). We'll see how the IMAX 3D is tonight. While I would probably recommend a 2D show, many theaters only play 2D on smaller screens and for sure I'd recommend seeing this on the biggest "bad ass" screen you can get to.
*All my photos of the pass make it look 1,000 times more awesome than the glossy little laminated cardboard that it is. If you love watching Cap use a shield in every way imaginable, you'll have so much fun with this movie. It saves his life in every way imaginable. It's practically another character in the movie. I want one!
The Stuff. God, they made us sit through 25 minutes (!) of summer movie trailers before the Winter Soldier really started, at close to 8:30 p.m.
The poster, while not unique, is a full-size one and massive. I need to get around to getting some simple poster frames for it and my two from 2012 (Dark Knight Trilogy, and Indiana Jones marathon posters).
They held a brief trivia contest with more unique posters and Captain America-themed 3-D glasses between the movies. I knew a couple of the answers but ultimately just held my tongue.
Just got back. Fun seeing The First Avenger on a massive ETX screen again.
The new movie? Loved it. If you found the first film's fight scenes not visceral enough, BOY, you are in for a change on this one.
Not everyone loves handy cam stuff, and they do quite a bit of that in the fisticuffs, but I didn't have a problem following things, and it definitely puts a lot of oomph.
Awesome set pieces, that at the moment are all boggled throughout my brain. All sorts of interesting hooks from the first movie so it really was cool to have just seen that again first. I was truly surprised, more than once, in spite of everything I'd read online.
Applause at the end for quite a while, and a lot of enthusiastic chatter as we waited for the mid-credit and post-credits sequences. Those don't quite appear in the order I expected them to, fwiw.
Will post pix of the lanyard pass and poster in a bit.
And while we're playing, "I don't understand so-and-so," I don't "get" the Helicarrier concept.
So, why is it a good thing to have a massive flying aircraft carrier where everyone's gonna die on the helicarrier and/or on the ground whenever the engines conk out or are destroyed in battle? I mean, when an aircraft carrier's engines die, the ship, you know, floats. If they built orbital stations (with thrusters so they could adjust the orbit as necssary) where air/spacecraft were based, I'd actually more buy that area. Heck, giant blimps would make more sense.
Helicarriers seem like an utter crock of an idea, although I have no doubt a savvy defense contractor - Tony Stark? - could convince government officials these flying death traps made sense for S.H.I.E.L.D. --------------
I did finally found some less than positive reviews last day or two but the worst called it "very ordinary" or "yet another comic book movie," and in the end, seemed hardly "fanged" reviews.
Also, that EW critic's Winter Soldier review may have been his last. EW apparently laid off critic Owen Gleiberman (been there for decades) and a half dozen other staff writers yesterday.
The breathless reciting of a "site repeating another site's supposed reporting based on third hand rumor" elsewhere is that some villain "kills" Clark Kent in the movie. So I'm thinking Superman breaks his own neck.
Superman: "You've got to be stopped!" Clark Kent: "But I'm you!" Superman: "Hmmm... there's nothing else I can do!" Clark Kent: "But I'm wearing a turtle neck sweater!" *Superman wraps his hands around his own neck* *CCCRRRRRAAAACKKKKKKKKK* The End *Cue the Hans Zimmer bongo drums*
You gotta admit -- it seems like something Zack Snyder would do!
I think, as an over-analyzing, underqualified movie/box office pundit like myself, the key questions with the Winter Soldier:
-Can a Marvel Universe movie without Robert Downey Jr.'s star power and international box office appeal make mega bucks like the Iron Man films and Avengers did? Or just "good but not great" (Cap 1 and the Thor and Hulk films).
-Will it make mega bucks overseas? It has apparently made $75M plus so far in limited international release.
-Will it inspire more people to tune into Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before its ratings slip further into a black hole?
So naturally, my co-workers who NEVER want to do anything after work invited me to dinner tomorrow, but I already got my IMAX ticket for a 7:30 p.m. show tomorrow (Friday) too. Oh well, the things I do for Marvel! Leading to my last question:
-Will I regret buying another ticket, for the IMAX show tomorrow night when I don't even know if I'll like it??? Just about 7 hours to go.
Quote from: Scraper on April 03, 2014, 03:14:53 PM
Although I've only seen Thor: The Dark World once so that one may move up or down depending on subsequent viewings. Too me the real stinker out of the bunch is Iron Man 2. Cap 1 was ok, but I felt like the first hour was slow and then the final showdown with Red Skull in the plane was a real letdown.
It sounds like you'll be pleased with the Russo brothers' more visceral fights in The Winter Soldier, just from what I've read and the clips I've seen. They've said the idea is he hadn't really had any hand-to-hand fighting training to speak of in the 1940s so it'd make sense he fought in a basic brawling style just using the Super Solder serum strength. The idea in today's world is he's boned up on all matter of hand-to-hand and martial arts, and learned other ways to use the shield (both in hand-to-hand combat and as a boomerang-y projectile weapon).
While I loved the Cap film, I felt like Johnston/Marvel should've hired Dale Dye (consultant on Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers) for a day just to put some reality into the mass WWII battle stuff near the end. It looks like 200 extras running in random directions (think the "assume your crash positions" sequence in the comedy Airplane ) or storming a trench in World War I, against Hydra who use disintegrator ray guns for cripe's sake.
Yeah it's a comic book but I just think a little bit of realistic cover fire, flanking positions etc. and dialogue would've been good there. But non military history buffs I guess wouldn't care.
Quote from: Scraper on April 03, 2014, 02:16:27 PM
Blackjack I'm curious what rank you would give all the Marvel U films. Ironman 1-3, Cap, Thor 1-2, Avengers, Norton Hulk (I didn't miss any did I?). 1 being the best.
Hmmm, what's tricky about rankings is "what I think is best made" vs. "what I enjoyed the most," and sometimes that doesn't match up with me.
I actually didn't see the Norton Hulk film in theaters. Most would say Iron Man 1 was the Most Important Marvel film in terms of "establishing" the Marvel Universe on film successfully, and leaving bread crumbs (i.e., introducing Nick Fury and Coulson) for what would become The Avengers. If IM flopped and fans didn't give Downey Jr. his one last chance comeback, probably Marvel would've had to scratch the other movies or downsize them.
Anyway, I guess in terms of my enjoyment, I'd rank them something like: -Marvel's The Avengers -Iron Man -Captain America: The First Avenger -Iron Man 3 -Thor: The Dark World -Thor -Iron Man 2
Technically, the Avengers and Captain America are the films I saw the most times in theaters (four each).
I had mixed feelings on IM3 even if I saw it three times. I thought reducing Iron Man's armor to a bunch of remote control drones was a mistake even if it was an "evolution" -- i.e., if Tony Stark has no "skin in the game" (isn't really in the suit), then to me it loses the risk and excitement of the concept. But hey it's not the first "third movie" that maybe tried too hard instead of remembering its first iteration's charms.
I was surprised how much I liked Thor: The Dark World, but didn't really feel any itch to see it again.
Thor and Iron Man 2 have not aged well for me. If they come up on cable TV now, I barely pay attention. I can still dig seeing Iron Man and the first Cap film on TV. I realize many folks here and critics didn't really warm up to the first Cap film. Some found it boring, others only liked the "skinny Steve" portion of the movie, and perhaps that part was more to director Joe Johnston's strengths.
It sounds like those folks will enjoy the second film much more, and yet it sounds like I will too. It sounds like the Russos and the writers have made Cap more dangerous/interesting, while still letting him have his ideals, and without turning him into a brooding neck-breaker. I'll know in about 9 hours.
(Norton Hulk N/A for me as I didn't watch it in theaters; and really have not ever watched it all the way through)
fwiw, EW's critic weighed in with a B+, mostly very enthusiastic, just finding it too long (2 hrs. 16 minutes). While it reads more like an "A-," I've given up trying to understand how reviewers of anything translate their verbiage into a school grade or number rating. It gets tricky with EW (owned by Time Warner I think) because sometimes an entire movie review there (imho) seems to bash something left and right and then they give it, say, a "B-," as if they're afraid to rate something too low. ====
btw, you DON'T have to see the double feature tomorrow to see The Winter Soldier. Looks like it's debuting in most theaters tomorrow (April 3) at 8:30-8:45 p.m. in most places.
I'm actually a bit disappointed how few folks bought tickets for the double feature I'm attending. From the seating diagram it doesn't look like it'll be even half full. We're all kind of clumped, front to back. Probably the price ($27) and the hour (5:30 p.m. on a weekday), so I can understand it.
And of COURSE three people decided to get seats directly in front of me. I didn't think anyone would want to sit that close. I guess the advantage with the theater not full is I'll have some room to reposition if necessary. (AMC switched to all assigned seating at this particular location)
Collider's critic (he didn't attend the uber-early screenings) weighed in positively. Seems relatively spoiler-free. Goldberg hates many movies but did quite like the first Cap movie so it seems to bode well for me, in that respect, that he embraced the second film so much. Though I've disagreed so drastically with a lot of his past takes.
Directors Joe and Anthony Russo have never helmed an action movie before, but here they come off like old pros. They’ve upped the game in clever ways like showing how Rogers’ super strength would work against regular people (e.g. he hits much harder), and they could probably write a book titled “101 Ways to Use a Shield”. The action is wonderfully choreographed, the pace is terrific, and they’ve found a tremendous asset in Sam Wilson/The Falcon (Anthony Mackie), who’s not only a great character, but also provides some nice variety alongside Cap and Black Widow. ... Marvel has not only proven yet again that there is no template for their movies, but also that there’s no template for good superhero movies. Each character has to be taken on his or her merits rather than being forced to appeal to a vague notion of what a popular superhero should be. Some audience members may think they want dark, brooding, and desperate, and that’s fine for some characters.
But it’s more important to recognize that audiences need and deserve a different kind of hero. To recognize a hero who reminds us about the greatness of being honest in a world of dishonesty, of being compassionate in a world of selfishness, and of being brave in a world of fear.
These values combined with top-notch filmmaking make Captain America: The Winter Soldier not just my favorite Marvel movie; it’s one of my favorite movies of the year.
============= Just a comic book compilations aside -- Comixology put several Captain America volumes on sale through April 7 for just $3.99 each. This includes Volume 1 of the two-volume Winter Soldier set; a couple other Cap volumes written by Ed Brubaker (including the one where Steve Rogers dies... yeah I know, the usual marketing schtick, right? ); and a volume of the pulpier "Marvel Comics NOW" iteration of Cap. Those are pretty steep discounts so I grabbed most of them last night.