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3361  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / 9/11 conspiracy video on: May 27, 2006, 07:46:04 PM
Right, but none of that was the result of any devious ingenuity or skill -- the neoconservative Republicans in control the house, senate, and presidency have correctly ascertained that the average American is more afraid of giving gay people equal civil rights than of losing their own.  The Bush administration isn't getting away with things because they're just so good at it; they're getting away with them because they control all the mechanisms of power and know how to focus public attention on divisive wedge issues.

The 9/11 Conspiracy Theory shares the same fatal flaw as the Liberal Media Conspiracy Theory: there's just no way that the hundreds or thousands of people needed to pull them off could all be compelled into secrecy.  People like to be famous.  They like to be heroes.  They like to go down in history as the one who revealed the truth to everyone.  The Bush administration is so cocky and arrogant about their ideas and so grossly inept at executing any of them that I just can't accept the idea that they could manage an operation of this size.  Secret remote controlled aircraft painted up to resemble passenger airliners; missiles launched against the Pentagon; streetlights yanked out of the ground and dumped across the highway; large smouldering craters being dug in the Pennsylvania fields and strewn with bits of metal...and *NOBODY* has come forward to say, "Yeah, I was part of the crew that did that?!?"

If the Bush administration is so good at shutting people up, why are their own inspector generals the ones reporting billions of dollars in treasonous war profiteering in Iraq?  Why are we learning more information every day about their so-called "anti-terrorism" domestic spying programs?  Why haven't they been able to buy off the career generals who are stepping up and demanding Rumsfeld's resignation, and if they tried, why have none of those generals said anything about the attempts to shut them up?

If you want to say that the Bush administration is a vile and destructive force to everything inherent to the American system and way of life, you'll get no argument from me.  If you say that 9/11 has benefitted their schemes tremendously by convincing people to unquestioningly follow the same "leaders" failed to prevent 9/11 in the first place, I'm with you 100%.  But I just can't accept the idea that these bungling, arrogant idiots were capable to faking something on the scale of those attacks.

-Autistic Angel
3362  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Rise of Legends Impressions ?? on: May 26, 2006, 07:31:10 PM
Quote from: "Earlier, I"
I am having fun with this game so far. However, it's *very* different from Rise of Nations and I would need more time before offering advice on whether or not I would take responsibility for convincing anyone else how to spend their money.

As promised, I've spent a great deal more time with the game and posted my full review here.  I'll be happy to expand on it here if anyone is interested....

-Autistic Angel
3363  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / 9/11 conspiracy video on: May 26, 2006, 04:12:47 AM
Let me put it this way:

Let's imagine for a moment that Bush administration faked the plane flying into the Pentagon by firing a cruise missile from a military facility at the building.  To help create the illusion, several light poles along the path of approach were pulled up to make it look like they'd been knocked down by a plane, and to help with the cover up all of the surveillance tapes in the area were confiscated.  Witnesses, including cleanup workers who came to clean up the debris field were all either in on it or too busy to ask any questions about how an entire 747 managed to squeeze itself through that hole.  And finally, Donald Rumsfeld was so confident in the flawlessness of this plan that he volunteered to be in the Pentagon during the strike, even though he was "safely in his office on the other side of the building."

Here is my question: In six years, what has the Bush administration ever accomplished that would make you believe they're capable of successfully executing something this complicated?  Seriously, what is the biggest acccomplishment these people have had?  They'd have to be pretty damn good at getting things done before they could worry about getting away with the bad stuff, and when you consider the number of whistleblowers trying to call our attention to all the sneaky, suspicious stuff they're doing, frankly they suck at both.

Regardless of whether or not George Bush, Karl Rove, or Dick Cheney would have wanted to fake 9/11, they're simply not competent enough to have pulled it off.

-Autistic Angel
3364  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / 9/11 conspiracy video on: May 23, 2006, 07:22:09 PM
My problem with this sort of thing is that it suggests we need some serpentine conspiracy theory to get up in arms about.  The reality is that the Bush administration has violated our trust on topics ranging from tax relief to domestic and foreign civil rights violations to our urgent need to start a war in Iraq.  Why waste any time at all piecing together circumstantial evidence with a web of conjecture when the things we can actually prove are continuing to happen...and, apparently, beneath most people's notice?

President Bush said that terrorists are *only* ever hunted with the assistance of a court order.  Then it turned out that he was secretly wiretapping overseas phone calls, but only of known terrorists.  Then suspected terrorists.  Then "persons of interest," but still only when they were overseas phone calls.  Now we know the U.S. government is also collecting millions of purely domestic phone records to map out who is talking to who, how often, and for how long.  How comforting that we have an all-new assurance that *that's* as far as it goes....

Actually, demonstrably breaking the law wins out over forty-year-long conspiracy theories any day of the week.

-Autistic Angel
3365  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / World of Warcraft to PS3? on: May 23, 2006, 05:39:00 PM
There have been a lot of rumors swirling around that Star Wars: Galaxies will be coming to console systems or that World of WarCraft would be released for the X-Box 360.  Failing an official announcement, I remain a skeptic.

-Autistic Angel
3366  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Hitman: Blood Money demo is out! on: May 23, 2006, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: "Kevin Grey"
That said, I'm not sure much would have changed based on your impressions since most of your complaints seemed to center around tutorials/hand-holding which is honestly the type of stuff I'd expect out of the first level of a game.

I must say, in general, I find most demos to be crap and I can't remember the last time that I played a demo that convinced me to buy a game I wasn't otherwise interested in. I think most demos suffer from being removed from the context of the full game.

I don't want to "take over the thread" by authoring every second post, but I have a lot to say about this demo.  Therefore, please understand that the following are only my opinions and I'm not out to denounce Hitman: Blood Money in the face of any upcoming positive reviews or to change anyone else's mind.  Cool

The demo for Hitman 2 absolutely sold me on that game.  It's a perfect example of transforming an upcoming release that I previously had absolutely no interest in into one that I was eagerly awaiting the chance to buy.  My ideal Hitman game would be one in which they allowed you to play three dozen levels with the same multitude of choices and complexity that you had in that first demo.

System Shock 2 and F.E.A.R. both served up pre-release demos that convinced me to preorder.  Both did a fantastic job of showcasing the game play mechanics that made them such unique titles.  Whatever issues people took with the final products, their demos did a fantastic job of showing off some of their best features.  Thief is something of an odd duck -- like I said, I hated the demo when I first tried it, but after reading weeks worth of rave reviews after the game's release, I gave it another shot and fell in love.  Why?  I have no idea.  Maybe I was approaching the whole thing with the wrong mindset from the start.  Regardless, that's another example of a demo which (eventually) sold me on getting the game.

Other demos have piqued my interest enough to get me to pay careful attention to the reviews (Star Wars: Empire at War), while others still have convinced me not to buy a game at all.  I can see what other people would enjoy about games like Ghost Recon or SWAT 4, but I have neither the reflexes to survive in a one shot/one kill environment, nor the patience to learn the subtle differences between a half-dozen variations on the concept of an "automatic rifle."

At *best*, this Blood Money demo seems to exhibit the worst elements of the franchise.  Eliminating the on-screen hints altogether would still leave us with an exercise in rote, lifeless puzzle solving carried out in an environment only slightly more interactive than the original Myst, rendered with a fancy new graphic engine slapped over the same animations we saw four years ago.  There may be a great game here, but you wouldn't be able to tell it from this demo.

If other reviews are as positive as your OPM article, Kevin Grey, I'll be first in line to give the full retail version a fair shot.  And, by "first," I mean "first to buy a copy from the eighth or ninth shipment sent to my local Electronics Boutique because their new official policy is never to stock more than four copies of any PC game."  I'd love a really excellent version of Hitman, so here's hoping... :!:

-Autistic Angel
3367  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Keeping Games Forever? on: May 23, 2006, 04:21:30 PM
My gaming collection includes original editions of Wing Commander with the fold-out blueprints of the four flyable fighter craft in the game, the floppy disk edition of Wing Commander II which took a little over two hours to fully install, and Ultimas IV - VII Part 2 with their cloth maps and swag (moonstone, Codex of Ultimate Wisdom Coin, etc.)  I've got original copies of games like Castles, Populous, Master of Orion, X-Com and System Shock, as well as a bunch of obscure Origin titles many people have never heard of like Bioforge, Shadowcaster, and Cybermage: Darklight Awakening.  I even own Thief, Thief: Gold and Thief II in those assinine angular boxes Eidos used to use.

I don't collect games just for the sake of having them.  I don't even consider myself to be a collector -- I own these titles because I purchased them brand-new off the shelf and have enjoyed them enough to keep them handy all these years.  In fact, one of the ways I got myself ginned up for System Shock 2 was by playing through a significant portion of the original, and I enjoyed playing my way through FreeSpace 1 & 2 as recently as last year.  Not only do many of these games represent a standard of excellence that was years ahead of their time, many of them pioneered styles of game play which no longer exist.  (Can someone explain why the hell *nobody* can seem to create a good spiritual successor to X-Com?!?)

Not all the titles in my library are classics.  I actually hold onto original issues of Sierra Entertainment's Outpost, the "Dragon Edition" of Origin's Ultima IX, and Quicksilver's Master of Orion III for the specific purpose of reminding myself to avoid getting too excited about something I haven't played.  Considering how hyped up I am for games like Spore and Supreme Commander, that strategy doesn't actually work, but for some reason I find it comforting nonetheless.

Anyways, I believe in holding onto games I've really enjoyed: I hate the idea that I'd never be able to revisit them again, and I actually take the opportunity to do so on a fairly frequent basis.  Other games like Age of Mythology or Devil May Cry which just don't gel with me for whatever reason, I often sell them or give them away freely to others who would get some real enjoyment out of them.

-Autistic Angel
3368  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Hitman: Blood Money demo is out! on: May 23, 2006, 01:44:11 PM
Many people criticize Rise of Legends for releasing such a poor first demo, and they're right to do so.  However, that original demo came out almost a month before the game went gold, so any rational person would understand that its stability and performance might be a lot different in the final product.  I barely played either of the demos, but I'm having a very good time with the full game.

While the producers of Rise of Legends can probably afford a misstep or two because they're fresh off the success of Rise of Nations, Io Interactive already took a pretty big stumble.  It was called Hitman: Contracts.  It's pretty important for them to really whack this one out of the park.

Hitman: Blood Money is already gold.  It comes out in seven days.  I understand that producing a demo is a lot more challenging than simply lifting a single level from a finished product.  Even so, the idea that they would think it was a good idea to release a demo showcasing all of the series' worst flaws is insanity.

I hated the demo for Thief when I first tried it; today its one of my all-time favorite games.  Elixir Studios released a demo for Evil Genius which represented the game play so poorly, the developers basically begged the public to believe them that the final product was a lot more nuanced.  Though I couldn't recommend it to most people, I enjoyed that game a lot too.  I am ready and willing to be proven wrong about Hitman: Blood Money.

Based on the demo, though, I think I'll have to wait for Hitman: Legend.

-Autistic Angel
3369  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Hitman: Blood Money demo is out! on: May 23, 2006, 04:01:06 AM *this* is a terrible demo!  I was pretty interested in getting this game, even considering putting down a preorder for it now that my local Electronics Boutique has cut back their PC stock to bare minimum levels, but now it would take some extremely impressive reviews to even make me consider it.

Hitman 2: Silent Assassin had a fantastic demo.  It must have had a dozen different ways to approach the hit, and I played it for *hours* until I finally got a perfect "Silent Assassin" rating by killing no one except the mark and escaping without triggering a single alarm.  I was disappointed to discover that the rest of the game wasn't nearly so clever and open-ended, but the demo definitely sold me on the game.

Like the Hitman 2 demo, the Blood Money demo lets you play through the first level of the game.  Unfortunately, instead of an awesome full-fledged assassination scenario, this demo is a rigidly linear tutorial level which eliminates any sense of experimentation or exploration by telling you every single step you need to take.  The ironic thing about this tutorial is that it rarely tells you *how* to do it, so when you're told to "Distract the Guards" or "Snipe the Three Men," be prepared to hunt through your keyboard mappings while you figure it out.

The mission starts with you waiting for a guard to open a gate while you listen to your briefing.  Since I can't find any Save Game option so far, my failed attempts to Distract the Guards have caused me to hear that briefing five or six times now.  There won't be a seventh.  I think the fact that I was tasked with sniping three men from a window where only two were visible was the final breaking point.

The graphics are good, featuring some new tricks like soft shadows and normal mapping which give faces a big boost in definition.  The physics, however, haven't improved since Hitman 2 was released in 2002.  Dragging bodies results in the same wildly flapping ragdolls that most other games decided were unacceptable two years ago.  I also haven't seen an environment this untouchable since Final Fantasy VII -- I understand a pistol isn't going to shatter anything it shoots in just a couple rounds, but even some of the windows seem protected by an invisible shield.  It's a bad sign when a game released in 2006 doesn't even appear to feature bullet holes when you plug a flimsy wooden wall.


-Autistic Angel
3370  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Devil's Right : PSP pwnz DS. on: May 21, 2006, 10:55:03 PM
I'd be pretty sure that guy is kidding, but I was present at a local GameSpot when a customer walked in and started challenging the staff to explain why anyone would want an X-Box 360 for $400 when they could just wait and get the incredible PS3 for $600.  He complained that the 360 is "nothing but an X-Box with slightly better graphics," while crowing that the PS3 is really going to blow everyone away with its *real* high-definition support.  When one of the clerks asked him to name all of the PS3 games he was planning to buy, the customer fumbled before proudly announcing that he knew tons of great games were on the way while the 360 only has "more of the same."

If I hadn't been there myself, I never would have believed someone could sincerely hold such a self-contradictory and ill-informed position.  I can understand why someone would be excited for the PS3 and I can also understand why a lot of people are concerned about its high price and lackluster showing at E3.  The part I don't get is why someone would feel the need to tear down a different system that, in these cases, they clearly don't even own.  Never unestimate the stupidity of the common fanboy, I guess....

-Autistic Angel
3371  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / What are you playing this weekend? 05/19/06 on: May 20, 2006, 12:40:46 AM
I'm currently playing Rise of Legends and Kameo: Elements of Power for review purposes.  I'm enjoying both, but I won't have an opportunity to play anything else.

-Autistic Angel
3372  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / another Crysis video...amazing stuff on: May 17, 2006, 03:39:40 AM
It was revealed at E3 that Crysis will be available for Windows XP as well as Windows Vista.

Quote from: "GameSpot"
Crysis will support both DirectX 9 and DirectX 10, which means that you can run it on a Windows XP PC, as well as an upcoming Windows Vista PC. You'll get the absolute best graphics with a Vista machine, but DirectX 9 still will look good. The version of the game we saw was using a DirectX 9 machine "simulating" DirectX10 by brute force, and it looked amazing.

-Autistic Angel
3373  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Who finished Ninja Gaiden? on: May 17, 2006, 03:28:26 AM
Thank you very much!  smile

-Autistic Angel
3374  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Who finished Ninja Gaiden? on: May 16, 2006, 07:42:21 PM
I beat the original release of Ninja Gaiden on both Normal and Hard difficulties, and I'm now spending some of my free time playing Ninja Gaiden Black through on Normal.  My time has been fractured by trying to do so many things, so I just haven't had the opportunity to finish it yet.

On occasion, I've been known to start a new game and see how far I can make it without saving or dying.  (Continuing the game restarts from your most recent save, so if you never save the game, death means the game is over.)  I typically make it past the giant bone dragon before I finally get tired and simply quit.

I really, *really* like Ninja Gaiden.

-Autistic Angel
3375  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Who won the Hype Battle? on: May 12, 2006, 06:04:02 PM
My vote went to Nintendo for the following reasons:

1) One of my major concerns with the Wii controller had been the idea of trying to set up a sensor net around your television.  Now we know that the "sensor net" is like a single black panel or strip that you put down on or near your television.  Simple!

2) According to every report I can find Zelda, Mario, and WarioWare look and control fantastically.  These are major franchises for Nintendo, especially Zelda, and getting them out near the Wii's release will mean a *huge* launch for the new system.

3) Metroid Prime: Corruption.  I like Zelda, but I *love* the Metroid Prime games.  I would have bought a Wii for this game sight unseen, but the fact that it's there, it's playable, and it contols so well makes this one of my most anticipated games.  The skeptic in me makes me doubt we'll really see this available at the system's launch, but I'm extremely excited for it nonetheless!

-Autistic Angel
3376  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Rise of Legends Impressions ?? on: May 12, 2006, 04:57:03 AM
The only question mark in my mind is your video card -- my understanding is that the Radeon 9700 enjoys full DirectX 9.0 support, but Rise of Legends pushes a lot of smoke, particle, and distortion effects on screen simultaneously during big battles which could be taxing for an older video card.

If you're willing to turn down the graphic options a bit, I feel pretty confident that the game would play okay for you.  Like most real-time strategy games, Rise of Legends is a lot more about the game play decisions involved in expanding your resource base and deploying effective unit tactics.  The graphics are very nice, but hardly as integral to the experience as they might be in a first person shooter.

As far as whether the game play is worth your money, I'll need more time to decide if I would recommend it to other people.  I'm enjoying the campaign structure which seems to combine elements of Rise of Nations' RISK-like territory grabbing with specific storyline objectives, but I'm troubled by the lack of a random map generator in the Quick Battle mode.  Random maps were the bread and butter of Rise of Nations for me.  Without the prospect of infinite new and unexpected map terrains to keep the environment eternally fresh, this game's value has a lot riding on the quality of its campaign.

Similarly, while the three playable factions are as interesting and diverse as those found in StarCraft, the scope of the game play seems to have been pared down to a straightforward brawl for supremacy.  Rise of Nations may not have been Civilization 4 in terms of complexity, but it enjoyed a lot of different game play elements like "Assassin Mode", unique map resources, and non-combat victory conditions which all appear to be completely missing from Rise of Legends.

I am having fun with this game so far.  However, it's *very* different from Rise of Nations and I would need more time before offering advice on whether or not I would take responsibility for convincing anyone else how to spend their money.

-Autistic Angel
3377  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Ok, Im excited now for the Wii on: May 10, 2006, 09:54:00 PM
I'm watching live demo footage of someone playing Metroid Prime: Corruption for the Wii right now...holy CRAP! that game is going to freaking OWN!   :shock:  smile  smile

You can use your grapple beam dynamically in combat, throwing it out by physically flipping your left hand to rip enemy's shields right out of their hands!  Combine that with the ease of aiming just by pointing your right hand at the screen, and this is probably one of my most anticipated Wii games!  Cool

-Autistic Angel
3378  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Ok, Im excited now for the Wii on: May 10, 2006, 07:10:41 PM
I have to say: I can't think of a better launch title the Wii could possibly have.  Mario is popular and many gamers love Samus Aran, but The Legend of Zelda has an incredible mainstream appeal which falls squarely into the category of "System Seller."

Under these circumstances, I'm surprised that Nintendo would persist in releasing a GameCube version of Twilight Princess.  Making that game a Wii-only release would be huge considering the existing excitement over the game....

-Autistic Angel
3379  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Questions About Gamecube Component Video Cables on: May 07, 2006, 03:04:09 PM
That seems like a safe assumption, but I do not know for sure.

As far as their Japanese availability, I have no idea.  frown

-Autistic Angel
3380  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / When your 360 breaks... on: May 05, 2006, 07:03:54 PM
At first, people were reporting that they'd receive their replacement units in only a few days.  I think more recent reports have extended that time somewhat, though.  frown

-Autistic Angel
3381  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Anyone going to E3? on: May 05, 2006, 07:01:39 PM
Quote from: "Purge"
I hate all of you. E3 is so much fun.

But working for GT would take the fun out of it (or at least changing it significantly). Getting scoops etc. is a different kind of fun (rather than getting to try out all the kiosks).

I've never been to E3, but based on everything I've seen of the show, I think the only way I'd ever want to go would be if it were on some sort of official business.  Thick crowds, long lines, blaring sound and strobing neon lights everywhere you look -- I think working towards a specific itinerary of news coverage and game previews would make all that worthwhile, but as an independent visitor it just sounds intolerable.

-Autistic Angel
3382  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Booth Babe photos on: May 05, 2006, 06:06:46 PM
The only thing I think I'd miss about booth babes are the inevitable G4 segments where they attempt to interview the low-rent spokesmodels about the products they're allegedly there to help demonstrate.

G4: How *you* doin'?

"Model": (snapping gum) Heeyyyyyy!  I'm Bloodrayne!

G4: Wow!!  That's a great outfit!

"Model": Yeah, in'nit?!?  I'm, like, a ninja assassin, so watch out or I'm gonna get'cha!  (waves her plastic wrist blades in the air and makes "wssshhh, wssshhh!" sounds until her gum accidentally pops out of her mouth)

G4: You're pretty!

"Model": What?  Oh, thanks...where's my gum?  Hey Brandi?  Brandi!  Hey, can I have some more gum?

"Babe": Sure!  Do you want cinnamon, what's does this one say?

G4: (spooling tongue back into mouth) "Wintergreen."

"Babe": Yeah, what he said.

"Model": The wintergreed one is the cool one, right?  I'll have that one!

G4: *you* doin'?

"Babe": Hi there!  I'm Jade for the awesome game "Beyond Good and Bad," and you can probably tell by my green hair, but I'm, like, a fresh and funky secret agent!

G4: You're hot!

"Babe": Thanks!  Oh, and I've got this camera and it can, like, take pictures, *make* the pictures so people can see them...and it can totally shoot bad guys and knock 'em out.

G4: Wow, that's great?  Listen, do you think I could...get your number?

"Babe:" Aww, that's so sweet, but no.

G4: Are you sure?  I...I just feel like we've really connected here, and-

Bouncer: Okay, pal, I think you've seen everything there is to see here.  How about you move along, eh?

G4: Wait, I...oh...all right.  Um...back to you, Morgan.

Morgan: (inexplicably pouty) Thanks.  We'll be back with more of our all-Booth Babe coverage right after this....


(Two DUDES are sitting on a couch looking at a TV screen.  One is furiously banging on a set of Nintendo's bongo controllers.  The second looks off screen.

Dude #2: Hurry up man: boss is coming!

Dude #1: (plays bongos faster) Dude!  I've almost got it!

Supermodel: (enters) Hey guys, how are things coming on that new game?  I have two more ideas for you to work on!

Dude #1: We're almost done with level three, and just need to tighten up the graphics a little bit.

Supermodel: Great!  (smiles seductively and exits)

Dude #2: Dude, I can't believe we get paid to enter binary code with bongo drums!

Dude #1: I know!  And my mom said I'd never get *anywhere* trying to tighten up the graphics in level three just by clapping my hands!

(The dudes both start clapping their hands in unison.)


Pfeh. :roll:

-Autistic Angel
3383  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Rise of Legends Demo on: May 04, 2006, 02:52:28 PM
Yes: Big Huge Games released an updated demo featuring some bug fixes, AI improvements, and I believe some engine optimizations as well.

-Autistic Angel
3384  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Superman Returns - new full trailer - OMFG!!! on: May 03, 2006, 02:26:32 AM
I always like that moment in episodes of Justice League where Martian Manhunter has to use his telepathic powers to say, "Batman!  The rest of the Justice League and I have all been captured again!  Please come save us!"

Anyways, it's a cool trailer!  Cool

-Autistic Angel
3385  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Stephen Colbert has cast iron balls on: May 02, 2006, 01:25:06 AM
My personal favorite was the "Hindenberg" quip.  biggrin

-Autistic Angel
3386  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / A Day Without Immigrants on: May 01, 2006, 10:28:23 PM
Quote from: "Zarkon"
There's nothing [in the First Amendment] that states "If you follow the First Amendment, you can't get in trouble." It just states that the Government cannot make any laws to limit the freedom of speech or the press (now meant to mean expression in general at times) or the right of the people peaceably to assemble.

Nope. Nothing in there that says you can't get fired, or be punished in any means necessary. Nothing that says you will suffer no consequences for your actions. Nothing.

Since I can't find anyone in this thread who claimed that these students couldn't be punished, I don't see what any of this has to do with the current conversation.

Here are the things I *am* saying:

    1) Your original statement that students who skipped one day of school to protest should be "kicked out" of school and "left to shit jobs for the rest of their lives" is nonsensical.

    2) Your second statement that students who skipped one day of school should be "punished" by having additional days off from school is completely counter-intuitive.

    3) Your attempts to equate "a one-day suspension" with a life-long punishment of "leaving them to shit jobs for the rest of their lives" is silly at best and somewhat insulting to the intelligence of the forum readers here at worst.

Finally, I'm troubled by the fact that if students cut a day of school to attend a pro-military rally or a 9/11 memorial service, I don't think you'd have reacted with:

Quote from: "Zarkon"
If they don't want to be [in school]? Kick 'em out, let 'em live with shit jobs for the rest of their lives.

You can tell me whether or not I'm wrong, but either way I feel sort of bad for you.  

-Autistic Angel
3387  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / A Day Without Immigrants on: May 01, 2006, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: "First I"
You think the penalty for missing one day of school should be to miss *more* days of school?

Quote from: "So Zarkon"
If they don't want to be there? Kick 'em out, let 'em live with shit jobs for the rest of their lives.

Quote from: "Then Zarkon"
Honestly? Twelve years old is plenty old enough to learn that their actions have consequences, and they have to live with them.

What "consequence" are they supposed to be learning?  That if they skip a day of school -- to spend the whole day exercising their First Amendment Rights in peaceful protest -- they'll be "punished" with a few days off from school?  Do you really think a twelve-year-old is going to spend that time stressing about his future job prospects?

Quote from: "Zarkon also"
Note. I never said -expel- them.  I said suspend them, probably for a day.

1 day suspension != "let 'em live with shit jobs the rest of their lives"

Quote from: "Zarkon then"
Give them time to think about what is important to them. Give their parents time to possibly wake up.

I saw those groups of kids walking the sidewalks outside my store between the time we opened until about 2:00 or 2:30pm.  I don't know the full route they were walking, but it was long enough that they were passing by about every thirty minutes.

These kids seem to have a very specific idea of what's important to them.

Quote from: "Finally, Zarkon"
Everyone has to deal with the consequences of their actions. A massive walkout from schools and jobs -should- have massive consequences, on both sides of the fence.

As I've said earlier in this thread, an appropriate consequence for skipping school is *more* school, not less.  Detention is far more appropriate than time off.

This assumes, of course, that you think the peaceful exercise of First Amendment Rights deserves punishment.  Personally, in my classroom, I'd want the kids to write a paper all about what they did, why they thought it was important, what they were hoping to accomplish compared to what they think they did accomplish, etc., etc., etc.  This entire experience seems like a textbook example of a "teachable moment."

Edited to add:

Quote from: "Zarkon"
Like I said, you cannot have immigration law reform without closed borders. Period.

Replace the word "closed" with "secured," and I'll agree 100% with this point.

-Autistic Angel
3388  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / A Day Without Immigrants on: May 01, 2006, 08:44:56 PM
Quote from: "msduncan"
Uhh... if they are illegal they shouldn't be in our schools at all unless their parents have a permit to be here.

Of course, you're aware that children born in the United States are automatically considered citizens of this country regardless of the immigration status of their parents.

That means you're assuming that the Hispanic students rallying here in Connecticut are all illegal immigrants themselves.  I'll ask you the same question I asked Graham: what is the basis for that belief?

-Autistic Angel
3389  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / A Day Without Immigrants on: May 01, 2006, 06:23:01 PM
Quote from: "I"
What is your basis to believe that anyone protesting today -- the middle school and high school students walking the streets outside my window, for example -- are illegal immigrants?

Quote from: "Graham"
I don't understand why someone who came here legally would advocate for illegal immigrants to suddenly become legal. Why would you want to fight for someone trying to butt into line when you busted tail to try to get here.

Quote from: "So I"
I don't understand why someone would stay in an abusive relationship. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Quote from: "Then Graham"
I never said it doesn't happen...I just said that I don't understand it. It defies logic. Going from that arguement to abusive relationships is pretty assinine.

In your own words, you explained that you were assuming the protestors were illegal immigrants because you couldn't understand why legal immigrants would support them.  The fact that you don't understand why people make the choices they do is a poor rationale to assume they don't exist.

It's very clear to anyone who reads the above passages that I was not comparing illegal immigration to abusive relationships; I was comparing your lack of understanding for pro-immigration rallies to my lack of understanding for why people remain in abusive relationships.  Specifically: you assume everyone thinks exactly the same way that you do, while I do not.  I can understand why having that pointed out might make you angry, but there's nothing assinine about it.

-Autistic Angel
3390  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / A Day Without Immigrants on: May 01, 2006, 05:49:39 PM
Quote from: "Graham"
I don't understand why someone who came here legally would advocate for illegal immigrants to suddenly become legal. Why would you want to fight for someone trying to butt into line when you busted tail to try to get here.

I don't understand why someone would stay in an abusive relationship.  That doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

-Autistic Angel
3391  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Condemned: Criminal Origins Wallpapers (56k warning) on: May 01, 2006, 05:32:40 PM
Are you guys planning to re-review it for the PC, or is it similar enough that it's not necessary?

-Autistic Angel
3392  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / A Day Without Immigrants on: May 01, 2006, 05:17:15 PM
Quote from: "Graham"
The issue is that they are coming here illegally. They are committing a crime. They don't have any rights of a US citizen. There is a process to come here legally, and they should do that if they want to come here. While I can sympathize with their plight, it doesn't mean that they have a right to be here or should be making demands when they are here as criminals.

What is your basis to believe that anyone protesting today -- the middle school and high school students walking the streets outside my window, for example -- are illegal immigrants?  If you assume that anyone advocating increased recognition for illegal immigrants is an illegal themselves, you'd have to support the immediate arrest of George W. Bush.

-Autistic Angel
3393  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / A Day Without Immigrants on: May 01, 2006, 05:13:00 PM
Quote from: "Knightshade Dragon"
I think that has been the typical response of schools for years. I missed 3 hours of class due to a busted lower radiator hose in my car - their solution was to make me miss the rest of the day. Makes sense don't it?

I don't doubt that happened, but different schools have different policies.  I've volunteered for a number of schools throughout Connecticut, and I can assure you that the typical response here for missing a day of school without a proper excuse would result in a lunchtime *and* after-school detention, meaning more time in school rather than less.

Of course, given the fact that these students are spending the day peacefully exercising their First Amendment Rights, a note from their parents will probably suffice as a proper excuse.

As far as your case with the busted radiator goes, I can see how a lab-based class might be unable to catch you up after missing three hours, and certain college professors have draconian rules regarding tardiness, but otherwise it seems silly to me that they wouldn't let you join the class in progess.  frown

Edited to add:

Quote from: "Knightshade Dragon also"
My stance is simple - you commit a crime to get into the country, you have no rights other than those granted to you by the Geneva convention.

The United States has traditionally (though not recently) recognized a higher universal standard of human rights than even the Geneva Convention.  It's one of those liberal Democrat legacies from the 20th century that had this country held in such fantastic global esteem for so many decades.

So, while I wouldn't go quite as far as you do, I actually happen to agree on this point: it doesn't make any logical sense for someone to illegally sneak into the country and then complain that they're not properly recognized.  I don't like the idea of an amnesty because it dishonors all of the immigrants who carefully follow the laws; I don't like the idea of a guest worker program because it gives employers unmitigated power to silence employee complaints through the threat of deportation; I don't like the idea of mass deportations because it's entirely unfeasible.

In short, this is a very complicated issue without any one simple solution.  Thank God people are starting to talk about it.  Cool

-Autistic Angel
3394  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / A Day Without Immigrants on: May 01, 2006, 05:03:05 PM
If they don't want to be there? Kick 'em out, let 'em live with shit jobs for the rest of their lives.

I just want to be sure I'm understanding you correctly: are you advocating the repeal of *all* truancy laws, or just the ones for non-whites?

Also, what age groups does this bold new reversal of American education policy apply to?  Should we round up all the fourth-graders who'd rather be playing than be in school and "let'em live with shit jobs for the rest of their lives?"  Again: some of the kids marching peacefully and quietly outside my window look like they're about twelve years old.

-Autistic Angel
3395  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / A Day Without Immigrants on: May 01, 2006, 04:15:00 PM
Y'know what? I'm sorry, you walk out of school / work? Fire 'em. Suspend 'em.

You think the penalty for missing one day of school should be to miss *more* days of school?

-Autistic Angel
3396  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / A Day Without Immigrants on: May 01, 2006, 03:24:28 PM
My shop here in Connecticut is right down the street from a local middle school.  When I got in this morning, there were several groups of Hispanic kids ranging from 12 to about 16 years old walking down the street carrying equal numbers of Mexican and American flags.  I thought at first that they were on their way to a rally or something, but instead they've spent the last three hours or so walking a route that takes them past the front of my store every once in a while.  They're not causing any problems or even chanting that I can tell -- just making themselves seen.

-Autistic Angel
3397  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [RP] President says "suffer" to gas prices on: April 30, 2006, 04:24:44 AM
Quote from: "msduncan"
But that's the problem... we ARE giving money to the oil industry. Not just at the pump, but the government is giving them quite a bit of corporate welfare.

And these laws were from when? The 1990's when the oil industry was struggling. If they are out of date then we should let them expire, but don't try to spin it like Bush is passing money giveaway laws to the profitable oil industry. These laws were passed when they were in serious trouble.

Where do those "serious trouble" years appear on your graph?

-Autistic Angel
3398  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [RP] President says "suffer" to gas prices on: April 28, 2006, 07:47:29 PM
I'm always amazed when someone finds the concept of corporate greed *less* believable than the concept of a vast, shadowy conspiracy of liberal activists who lurk on the fringes of public awareness and sew anarchy just for anarchy's sake.

-Autistic Angel
3399  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Name this insect on: April 27, 2006, 05:30:18 PM

-Autistic Angel
3400  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Psychonauts Issue (Xbox) on: April 27, 2006, 02:38:36 AM
I played the game from beginning to end without a single lockup or crash.

-Autistic Angel
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