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521  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Atheists launch "There is no God" adverts on buses across Britain on: January 19, 2009, 03:57:06 AM

Quote from: pr0ner on January 19, 2009, 01:06:19 AM

Quote from: Alefroth on January 19, 2009, 12:27:13 AM

Quote from: pr0ner on January 18, 2009, 05:58:51 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on January 18, 2009, 05:51:37 PM

Quote from: Mr. Fed on January 18, 2009, 04:33:11 PM

Quote from: Rowdy on January 16, 2009, 10:48:57 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/7832647.stm

Good for him.  Maybe this campaign will have unexpected fruit for Christians by shaking some out of their apathy.

Just wondering -- would you be equally supportive of an atheist or agnostic who refused to drive a bus with a religious message?  Or a Muslim who refused to drive a bus with a Christian message?

How about a vegan and a Burger King ad?

Ale

Are you serious?  That's a horrible analogy.

How so?

Ale

Because a vegan could actually go into Burger King and *gasp* order something they could eat?

I see you don't really understand veganism. That's ok. Veganism isn't just about eating. So you must think the others were horrible analogies also, because a Muslim message wouldn't keep a Christian from being a Christian.

Ale
522  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Atheists launch "There is no God" adverts on buses across Britain on: January 19, 2009, 12:27:13 AM

Quote from: pr0ner on January 18, 2009, 05:58:51 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on January 18, 2009, 05:51:37 PM

Quote from: Mr. Fed on January 18, 2009, 04:33:11 PM

Quote from: Rowdy on January 16, 2009, 10:48:57 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/7832647.stm

Good for him.  Maybe this campaign will have unexpected fruit for Christians by shaking some out of their apathy.

Just wondering -- would you be equally supportive of an atheist or agnostic who refused to drive a bus with a religious message?  Or a Muslim who refused to drive a bus with a Christian message?

How about a vegan and a Burger King ad?

Ale

Are you serious?  That's a horrible analogy.

How so?

Ale
523  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Atheists launch "There is no God" adverts on buses across Britain on: January 18, 2009, 05:51:37 PM

Quote from: Mr. Fed on January 18, 2009, 04:33:11 PM

Quote from: Rowdy on January 16, 2009, 10:48:57 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/7832647.stm

Good for him.  Maybe this campaign will have unexpected fruit for Christians by shaking some out of their apathy.

Just wondering -- would you be equally supportive of an atheist or agnostic who refused to drive a bus with a religious message?  Or a Muslim who refused to drive a bus with a Christian message?

How about a vegan and a Burger King ad?

Ale
524  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Israel Strikes Gaza on: January 18, 2009, 05:49:04 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on January 18, 2009, 05:36:24 PM

most.realistic.graphics.evar!


is that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2?

Whatever  Roll Eyes  Look at all those jaggies.

And Ed, why don't you post pictures of rockets landing in Israel?  Tongue

Ale
525  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Atheists launch "There is no God" adverts on buses across Britain on: January 17, 2009, 09:17:46 PM

Quote from: Rowdy on January 16, 2009, 10:48:57 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/7832647.stm

Good for him.  Maybe this campaign will have unexpected fruit for Christians by shaking some out of their apathy.

Good for everyone. Maybe now all the drivers will get to pick which buses they drive based on personal reasons.

Ale
526  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: The Official GT Trader Feedback List (updated 12/08) on: January 15, 2009, 10:39:44 PM
+1 to Gratch for a smooth deal on some books.

Ale
527  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: The Official GT Trader Feedback List (updated 12/08) on: January 15, 2009, 10:38:48 PM
+1 to Mirage775 for generously sending a couple of free games.

Ale
528  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Atheists launch "There is no God" adverts on buses across Britain on: January 14, 2009, 04:29:19 PM

Quote from: VynlSol on January 14, 2009, 03:20:48 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on January 14, 2009, 07:46:17 AM

Quote from: VynlSol on January 14, 2009, 05:32:10 AM

Quote from: Jeff on January 14, 2009, 04:50:25 AM

Quote from: Razgon on January 13, 2009, 07:39:38 AM

well, besides the conflicts thats been raging forever due to a difference in religion in that area, you are quite right ;-)

I honestly don't know any danes who are interested in religion, or, even if somewhat religious, feels strongly about it.

Wait, I don't get it ... very few Danes are religious? How is your country surviving without ... (gasp) morals?! slywink

From what I've been told, no god = complete and utter collapse of society.



LOL, were you raped by a priest?

What's funny about that?

Ale

I don't know, I wasn't trying to be funny. Jocular, yes. Funny, no.

Why do you ask? Did you you think it should be funny?

Did you come here expecting the funny and were disappointed when the conversational nature of the six words I typed didn't deliver that for you?

Because when somebody laughs out loud, I assume they think something is funny. Is that wrong? Should I maybe assume they are manic instead?

And relax, you can't disappoint me.

Ale
529  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Atheists launch "There is no God" adverts on buses across Britain on: January 14, 2009, 07:46:17 AM

Quote from: VynlSol on January 14, 2009, 05:32:10 AM

Quote from: Jeff on January 14, 2009, 04:50:25 AM

Quote from: Razgon on January 13, 2009, 07:39:38 AM

well, besides the conflicts thats been raging forever due to a difference in religion in that area, you are quite right ;-)

I honestly don't know any danes who are interested in religion, or, even if somewhat religious, feels strongly about it.

Wait, I don't get it ... very few Danes are religious? How is your country surviving without ... (gasp) morals?! slywink

From what I've been told, no god = complete and utter collapse of society.



LOL, were you raped by a priest?

What's funny about that?

Ale
530  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Order this drink the next time you go to Starbucks *forgot the soy* on: January 12, 2009, 11:19:10 PM

Quote from: Rumpy on January 12, 2009, 07:56:00 PM

Quote from: kadnod on January 12, 2009, 07:09:00 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on September 25, 2007, 09:42:42 AM

In a grande, they'll add two teabags.

Heh. I got a grande London Fog today, and was all happy the barrista gave me two teabags.  I thought she was doing me a favor.  Now that I know the truth, I've got post-caffination depression.

It's the same idea behind Cappuccinos. Doubling the size won't double the amount of caffeine. It will only dilute.

I'm pretty sure the larger sizes have more shots of espresso.

Ale
531  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Order this drink the next time you go to Starbucks *forgot the soy* on: January 10, 2009, 10:17:50 PM
I made one at home last night. I used vanilla soy milk and no vanilla syrup. I think it would have been to sweet for me that way. I really liked it, and my first impression of it was of orange fruit loops. I wonder how it would be with almond milk.

Ale
532  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: My girlfriend snores... on: January 10, 2009, 08:04:20 PM

Quote from: Ascendent on January 10, 2009, 07:46:16 PM

Probably not much more then calling my balls into question lol. But anyways it's been resolved, she just takes Zyrtec before going to sleep, and the snoring is much reduced if not eliminated. Thanks everyone!

Do you know why that works? Just by keeping the breathing passages dilated?

Ale
533  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: My girlfriend snores... on: January 10, 2009, 05:28:10 PM

Quote from: msduncan on January 09, 2009, 07:41:56 PM

Grow a pair and tell her that you HAVE to get some freakin sleep.   Therefore:

1.  She is going to sleep in another room
2.  You are going to sleep in another room
3.  She is going to wear some strips
or
4.  She is going out the door onto her ass.

Over the long run   Sleep >  Girlfriend

Seriously.

I can see why you needed marriage counseling.

Ale
534  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Salon: The bill for the Bush administration on: January 09, 2009, 04:20:02 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on January 09, 2009, 02:54:23 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on January 09, 2009, 02:47:35 PM

Damn, I am not a fan of the current president at all, but I was waiting for the author of that article to blame Bush for him stubbing his toe as the author got out of bed in the morning.    Everything bad in the world is not the fault of the current president of the united states, no matter how much you hate him.

LIAR!  Everything is GWB's fault.  He single handedly planned the attacks on the WTC and I hear Katrina was paid with Oil Company profits to raze immoral New Orleans.

Not very original.

Do you really think there is nothing bad that Bush is responsible for? That's how you and Cheeba come across.

Ale
535  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Atheists launch "There is no God" adverts on buses across Britain on: January 09, 2009, 04:12:37 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on January 09, 2009, 02:57:07 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on January 07, 2009, 04:18:30 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on January 07, 2009, 03:59:10 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on January 07, 2009, 02:05:55 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on January 07, 2009, 01:59:16 PM

However, I do find the concept vile and supremely arrogant in the 'professing themselves to be wise, they became fools' vein.

So do you think the same thing about every preacher on Sunday morning?

Not sure how a preacher speaking to an audience who has decided to come see him is the same thing.  But you weren't looking for a constructive response anyway were you?

Looking?  Yes.  Expecting?  No, considering the respondent.  The audience doesn't make any difference in your pithy statement above.  So, again, how is this different than your normal Sunday morning preacher or the countless "Jesus Saves" signs you see on billboards?  Or is it (as we all suspect) really just the message you disagree with and not the delivery mechanism?

So wound around the axle.  Billboards are different than a preacher no?  Does that make sense to you?

If you said 'what about Jesus saves billboards' instead of something that makes no logical sense whatsoever, perhaps the discussion could have continued.  Here let me try:

If you don't like preachers, what must you think of chapstick?

So your post about becoming fools was directed at the ads themselves, not the people behind them?
536  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Congress giving themselves another pay raise.. on: January 08, 2009, 08:03:18 PM

Quote from: pr0ner on January 08, 2009, 05:02:04 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on January 08, 2009, 04:46:45 PM

Meridian 59? I don't think Vic is saying it hasn't been done before, but that it is a silly premise for a patent.

Ale

So?  Patent applications can't be rejected simply because they're "silly".

I must have misunderstood. I thought the patent Vic referenced wasn't rejected.

Ale
537  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Bush: The Greatest Hits on: January 08, 2009, 07:04:15 PM

Quote from: WalkingFumble on January 08, 2009, 03:22:33 PM

Quote from: Razgon on January 08, 2009, 11:14:08 AM

Linky?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7809160.stm

sadly, i really think he is just being honest.  personal favs:

"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''
Townsend, Tennessee, 21 February, 2001

"Information is moving. You know, nightly news is one way, of course, but it's also moving through the blogosphere and through the Internets."
Washington DC, 2 May, 2007

"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing about him is that I read three - three or four books about him last year. Isn't that interesting?"
Speaking to reporter Kai Diekmann, Washington DC, 5 May, 2006



And the most telling-

"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office."
Washington DC, 12 May, 2008


Ale
538  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Bush: The Greatest Hits on: January 08, 2009, 04:56:44 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on January 08, 2009, 04:19:33 PM

With the number of speeches and talks Presidents give, it's not difficult to cherry pick out gaffes and missteps. Even Clinton, as great a speaker as he was, had his fair share.

That being said, Bush was one of the poorest orators that I've ever witnessed in my lifetime. I literally cringed every time he talked.

It always goes back to Clinton for you guys. Maybe you should start a Clinton: The Greatest Hits thread. There should be twice the Greatness, now  icon_biggrin

Ale


539  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Congress giving themselves another pay raise.. on: January 08, 2009, 04:46:45 PM
Meridian 59? I don't think Vic is saying it hasn't been done before, but that it is a silly premise for a patent.

Ale
540  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: The OT god (YHWH) - a good guy? on: January 06, 2009, 09:17:45 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on January 05, 2009, 10:08:34 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on January 05, 2009, 09:54:01 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on January 05, 2009, 05:03:16 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on January 05, 2009, 04:55:41 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on January 05, 2009, 04:25:14 PM


What's your answer?

Ale

I think it's apparent that he's not going to really try to join this discussion with any kind of seriousness.  Then again, it's impossible to debate belief, so I can see why he'd avoid it.

Indeed. You believe one way I believe another. As I said pointless.

Quote
I'm listing specific points, which no one has yet addressed.

I guess you win.


Quote
What's your answer?

Ale

No. What's your answer!?

I don't believe any act committed in the name of good automatically becomes good.

Ale

What if that act is ordered by the creator of good?

Then I'd probably start to doubt that creator.

Ale
541  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: The OT god (YHWH) - a good guy? on: January 05, 2009, 09:54:01 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on January 05, 2009, 05:03:16 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on January 05, 2009, 04:55:41 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on January 05, 2009, 04:25:14 PM


What's your answer?

Ale

I think it's apparent that he's not going to really try to join this discussion with any kind of seriousness.  Then again, it's impossible to debate belief, so I can see why he'd avoid it.

Indeed. You believe one way I believe another. As I said pointless.

Quote
I'm listing specific points, which no one has yet addressed.

I guess you win.


Quote
What's your answer?

Ale

No. What's your answer!?

I don't believe any act committed in the name of good automatically becomes good.

Ale
542  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: The OT god (YHWH) - a good guy? on: January 05, 2009, 04:25:14 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on January 05, 2009, 03:46:58 PM

Quote from: Jeff on January 05, 2009, 03:21:02 PM

It's very, very difficult to defend,

Let's distill it to its simplest point.

Is the act of destroying evil, evil?

If your answer is no, then there's your solution.

If your answer is yes, well then that's a whole different discussion.



What's your answer?

Ale
543  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: At What Point is it Stealing? on: December 23, 2008, 06:07:26 PM

Quote from: morlac on December 03, 2008, 05:06:06 PM

I have actually had this very thing happen to me and not some odd named friend of mine.  It was Diablo 2 at launch from a little Mom and Pop game store.  The owner forgot to charge me as we were chatting away.  I came back the next day and asked him if he was $60 short the day before.  He was, I paid him and we had a good laugh about it.  He even gave a few free rentals.  If had been a big chain store I more than likely would have said, oh well.  Why?  Well they can likely afford the loss and my conciense can as well.  

How did he know he was $60 short? Does he do inventory every night? Or did he ring it up and you didn't pay? In that case, whose responsibility is it to make sure the currency changes hands? If he were to remember once you were outside the store, could you be charged with shoplifting?

Ale
544  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Congress giving themselves another pay raise.. on: December 23, 2008, 12:33:24 AM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on December 22, 2008, 02:24:56 PM

I have no problem with them giving themselves a COL raise. I do have a problem with them giving it to themselves when they've achieved pretty much nothing over the past few years.

Wouldn't that then be a merit raise, not a COL raise?

Ale
545  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Lost another of my little dog buddies today on: December 18, 2008, 11:56:17 PM
So sorry for you and your wife, Daehawk.

Ale


546  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Drinking habits and me on: December 18, 2008, 11:40:50 PM

Quote from: Sarkus on December 18, 2008, 11:23:22 PM

Quote from: kratz on December 18, 2008, 11:03:12 PM

Why, exactly, is getting drunk alone worse than getting drunk socially?  Everyone says that, like it's the social aspect that makes it okay or not okay...

I love having a few beers and playing SP video games.  That doesn't make that alcoholic intake worse than when I drink the same amount out with friends (it usually just makes it way cheaper).

Perhaps the OP needs to clarify, but from what he said what he is doing by himself is more than just "having a few beers."   If you are sitting down once a week and getting shit-faced by yourself then the question becomes "why do you need to do that?"  If you are going out once a week and getting shit-faced with friends, it still may be a problem but it also could be an activity that you and your friends enjoy doing together.



Me and my friends all like to get shit-faced alone.

Ale
547  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Drinking habits and me on: December 18, 2008, 11:36:01 PM

Quote from: Sarkus on December 18, 2008, 06:32:49 AM

Whether what you are describing is alchoholism or not is irrelevant and will vary by who you ask.  That said, my opinion is that if you can't go a week without having a drink, you have a problem of some sort.  I have a bottle of beer in my refrigerator that I bought three weeks ago and still haven't drank, and I haven't had any other alcohol in that time.  If you can do the same, then you still have control over your drinking.  If you can't, then you should look at what you can do to change things.



Hoarding alcohol is a sign of sickness.

Ale
548  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Is it Unreasonable to Fear for Obama's Safety? on: December 13, 2008, 01:28:40 AM

I think the fear is somewhat exaggerated. It would take quite an effort I believe, to pull it off, and I just don't see most hate mongering racists having the ability to do so. It's one thing to send racist cartoons, and another to actually commit to and succeed in assassinating a president.

There was a lot of hate for Bush, and I don't think there was any sort of attempt or plan, even.

Ale

Edit- Not sure why I quoted Blackadar
549  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: No Bailout for GM please. Let em die. on: December 12, 2008, 04:40:12 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on December 11, 2008, 12:39:05 PM

For those who are against the bailout...

I've heard some rumblings of discontent about the financial bailout, but I've heard it far louder about the auto manufacturers.  So why are you so against giving the auto industry $15 (and it'll probably end up being $50) billion dollars but you remain silent when Wall Street gets a blank check approaching $2 trillion dollars?

Because Wall Street is full of hard-working, underpaid folks, just like us?

Ale
550  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: A new poll to illuminate the dark chasms in our lives. on: November 22, 2008, 07:57:15 PM

Quote from: Boudreaux on November 21, 2008, 11:08:46 PM

Both. 

No, really.

Likewise.

How do blind people know when they are done?

Ale
551  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Heathens Caused the Market Meltdown! on: November 21, 2008, 04:49:53 PM

Quote from: Scuzz on November 21, 2008, 04:35:10 PM

Wow, people love to generalize on these boards. I don't know how many times I see the word "majority" thrown around without any real knowledge.

Christians are no different than any other group. There are your nice quiet Christians who worship on Sundays and never bother anybody. They follow their God and go about their business just trying to do the best for their families.

The same can be said about any group. Most gays are good people who just want the best for themselves and their families.

It is the fringes, the wacko edges of each group that create all the hulla ballo and then give the "majority" a bad name.

There seems to be a belief on the internet that all chrsitians receive their instructions via prayer every night telling them what they should do. You young ones may not know that when JFK ran for president many people argued that he would be told how to run the country by the pope.

I am not christian, I am not anything. I don't care for religion. But I don't mind Christmas or any other religious holiday.

Really? Every single one of us?

Ale
552  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Almost makes me wish I had voted for Obama on: November 21, 2008, 04:20:40 AM

Quote from: PaulBot on November 21, 2008, 01:18:50 AM

Quote from: Moliere on November 09, 2008, 05:14:56 AM

the death penalty

So he's going to stop abortions?

It took 11 days to come up with that?

Ale
553  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: No Bailout for GM please. Let em die. on: November 20, 2008, 07:59:49 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on November 20, 2008, 04:08:45 AM

Quote from: Brendan on November 20, 2008, 03:52:05 AM

Quote from: Blackadar on November 20, 2008, 02:32:25 AM

Quote from: brettmcd on November 20, 2008, 02:02:36 AM

Quote from: the Nightbreeze on November 20, 2008, 01:51:39 AM

You're looking for bogeymen Brett. Every proposal to date has clearly said that those in health plans with which they are satisfied will be able to opt to keep them.

Yes and you really think companies will keep paying for health care plans when they know they can save money by not doing it and letting people go on the national health care????    Yes companies live to spend money they dont have to like that.     Roll Eyes

Right...and companies haven't been dropping their health care coverage left and right already.  

Yeah, and, predictably, brettmcd's particular fears are something that, y'know, have been anticipated already:

Quote
Q. Won’t my employer drop coverage?

A. No. Employers who do not offer meaningful coverage to their employees will have to
contribute a percentage of their payroll to help offset the cost of providing coverage to all
Americans. In most cases, this will eliminate an employer’s incentive to drop coverage.
Some small employers will be exempt from this requirement.

Quote
Q. I like my current insurance coverage. Will I have to change plans?

A. No, you will not have to change plans. For those who have insurance now, nothing
will change under the Obama plan – except that you will pay less. Obama’s plan will
save a typical family up to $2,500 on premiums by bringing the health care system into
the 21st century: cutting waste, improving technology, expanding coverage to all
Americans, and paying for some high-cost cases.

That is the most amusing thing ive ever read, saying that nationalizing something will cut costs is the most laughable lie ive read in many many years.    But if you want to believe that fairy tale go ahead, ill stay here in the real world.    Also assuming that companies wont get things changed so that their interests are protected and they can shift the cost of health care to the government and tax payers to give them more money is naive.

Having such blind faith in companies is naive, especially now.

Ale
554  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: No Bailout for GM please. Let em die. on: November 20, 2008, 07:57:33 PM

Quote from: cheeba on November 20, 2008, 06:19:37 PM

Quote from: cheeba on November 20, 2008, 03:01:20 AM

What has the government done better than private industry? Anything? Serious question here, not a challenge.
I'm not seeing many responses on this.

Let's go with bailing out private industry.

Ale
555  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Franken/Coleman - predictions? on: November 15, 2008, 05:06:28 PM

Quote from: msduncan on November 15, 2008, 04:35:00 PM

Prediction:   They will steal it for Franken.    They've already managed to find 400+ votes for him even before the recount.     

Do you think they should have ignored those?

Ale
556  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Just print more money on: November 12, 2008, 03:08:19 AM

Quote from: Moliere on November 12, 2008, 01:55:06 AM

Quote from: Alefroth on November 12, 2008, 01:16:31 AM

Quote from: Moliere on November 09, 2008, 07:37:11 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on November 09, 2008, 05:50:25 PM

So you would never consider increasing your income as part of your plan? That's pretty silly.

The government doesn't have income. Taxes are removing money from one part of the economy, taking some out to cover bureaucracy and then moving it to another part of the economy.

Isn't that what we all do? In your scenario, they don't have any expenses either. I can't believe you'd argue taxes aren't government income.

No, that's not what we all do. Private citizens generate income through productively providing a product or service that people want and can afford. We don't forcibly take money from the system and put it somewhere else. And yes, the government has expenses known as bureaucracy.

I'm not an Anarchist. I think there is a proper and moral role for government to take. Unfortunately 99% of all politicians rate their success by how much they grow the size and power of government.

So taking it from another area of the economy in other words. Governments provide services we need and want. Governments have budgets. Hopefully the amount they have to spend (i.e fire dept. salary) is less than the amount they take in (i.e. property taxes). Why are you so reluctant to call what they take in income?

Ale
557  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Just print more money on: November 12, 2008, 01:16:31 AM

Quote from: Moliere on November 09, 2008, 07:37:11 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on November 09, 2008, 05:50:25 PM

So you would never consider increasing your income as part of your plan? That's pretty silly.

The government doesn't have income. Taxes are removing money from one part of the economy, taking some out to cover bureaucracy and then moving it to another part of the economy.

Isn't that what we all do? In your scenario, they don't have any expenses either. I can't believe you'd argue taxes aren't government income.

Ale






558  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Just print more money on: November 09, 2008, 05:50:25 PM

Quote from: mikeg on November 09, 2008, 02:38:22 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on November 09, 2008, 05:59:52 AM

Quote from: CSL on November 09, 2008, 05:28:23 AM

Quote from: brettmcd on November 09, 2008, 01:08:26 AM

I know, that total is insane, and not one cent of it should be spent in those ways.

Yeah, maybe not all of it was needed, but I think its pretty clear the way things were heading that a very large stimulus package was needed. I know you'll disagree with me, and thats fine, but you're wrong. All these billions to my knowledge have kept the credit market from collapsing and getting us into a worse mess than the Great Depression.

We should be pillorying Bush and Clinton advisors over this. Hopefull Obama can dig us out of the hole, though it will probably take two terms to do. At least I live in the industrial country least affected by this crisis.

The only thing I'm worried about is the fact that Obama will need to probably do some general tax increases and they'll be needed, but Americans don't seem to realize yet that having the lowest tax levels in the post-industrial world has got to end if the government is going to remain able to pay bills in the long term. Again, you can disagree with me on this as cutting some of the social programs would largely solve these issues (and we could have a discussion about that), but that doesn't seem realistic or even feasible.

Yes yes tax increases when in an economic downturn, thats a recipe for recovery   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Cutting programs is the only way to make up any of this money, unless you just want to increase the length of the recession or even turn it into a depression with idiotic tax increases.

I agree.  Increasing taxes as a way to boost the economy-the concept is so flawed it's laughable.  It is the SIZE and WASTE of government spending that has got us here.  The ONLY way to fix it is to do what you, me, and ANYONE else with even the teeniest sense on how to stay within a budget would do,  stop spending money on things you don't absolutely need and pay off your debt. 

Let me tell you why raising taxes won't lower our national debt.  Because, get ready for it, the government won't spend a fucking dime on paying off the debt.  They will just continue to spend money on bad, wasteful programs, and even start a few more.  They are like a person whose credit card is completely charged up to the max and then someone is stupid enough to give them money so they can go buy a new stereo.  How fucking dumb is that??!!!


Mark my words, giving them another red cent more than they are getting will       not      fix      anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you would never consider increasing your income as part of your plan? That's pretty silly.

Ale
559  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: McCain's Concession Speech on: November 07, 2008, 06:11:56 PM

Quote from: cheeba on November 07, 2008, 03:34:02 PM

Quote from: Jaddison on November 07, 2008, 11:19:54 AM

I have to say Cheeba you are the one that brought it up as an example and now you are saying no one can know what happened.
That would not be a correct interpretation. Words mean things. Quoth me:
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None of these articles we cited even know the full extent of what happened.
We know stuff happened. W's removed from keyboards, lewd photos left in copiers, phone lines cut - at least some of that stuff happened.
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If you have been around the government and worked inside the Capitol beltway you would know that GSA, especially with a brand new incoming administration would never just flat out say the White House staff made it up.
Weird sentence. You think "being around government" or proximity to Washington DC gives one special insight into the White House General Services Administration?

And the oddly described lettuce is right. This is a stupid argument. Can we end this, or are you guys really so desperate to say, "omgz we won!"?

Why have none of you commented on these booing democrats? You really think democrats don't boo? Or show lack of class?

The thread is called McCain's Concession Speech. Why would we talk about booing Democrats?
560  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: McCain's Concession Speech on: November 07, 2008, 06:05:34 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on November 07, 2008, 12:10:54 PM

This thread is a great example of why politics doesn't work. You guys are arguing about nonsense just like the Repubs and the Dems do.  If you'd quit trying to figure out whose d*** is bigger and try to find a common ground, maybe this country would get somewhere and you and your annointed ones woundn't be Party first, country a DISTANT 2nd.

It's not about whose deck is bigger, it's about someone making accusations based on facts they admit we know nothing about, all the while claiming to be non-partisan.

Ale
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