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41  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Is our children learning? on: September 13, 2013, 08:09:31 PM

Quote from: naednek on September 13, 2013, 06:09:41 PM

"Hey class, this is what science believes and why, now here are some other beliefs/ideas that other people have and why."   From there depending on the teacher and more than likely they probably don't believe in creationism, you can explain/teach why they believe science is right.  But at least your teaching students different view points not for the sake of right and wrong, but because you know what, people in the world have different views on the same topic, whether you deem it right or wrong and it's always good to understand people's viewpoints.   [/color]


That isn't the point of a science class. And saying "This is what science believes" makes it sound like the other viewpoints may be valid.


Ale
42  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Is our children learning? on: September 13, 2013, 05:08:14 AM

Quote from: naednek on September 12, 2013, 07:59:17 PM

The easy solution to this is this...

Present both in the curriculum.  Present the two sides equally, and let the person think, digest and decide what they think is true.  This is what this side believes, this is what this side believes. Simple

So might as well present vampires and werewolves, too, and let the person decide if it's true. Where do you stop?

Ale
43  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Germany's War on Homeschooling on: August 31, 2013, 08:29:48 PM
Is it an overreach of government to require parents to school their kids at all?

Ale
44  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Marijuana. Just watched a documentary. on: August 30, 2013, 02:59:44 PM

Quote from: ATB on August 30, 2013, 11:59:03 AM

I can't remember where I read it, but just because a law changes does not mean that those who broke what was previously the law are released.

It was the law at the time, they broke it. They do the time.

I'm pretty sure you are correct. I've looked into it and instant amnesty is not granted.

Ale
45  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Chelsea (Bradley) Manning - when does gender assignment change you on: August 29, 2013, 08:07:08 PM

Quote from: Grifman on August 29, 2013, 07:30:52 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on August 29, 2013, 04:37:46 PM

Quote from: Grifman on August 29, 2013, 09:52:15 AM

Quote from: Alefroth on August 29, 2013, 04:50:48 AM

Quote from: ATB on August 27, 2013, 07:31:58 PM


This eschews the point and I'm going to choose to ignore it.  

There are people all over the world who see reality in a way that is contrary to reality. How is it that if someone says they feel like a woman even though they are a man suddenly validate the misconception? Rather than it being looked at as a mental issue like so many other mental disconnects?

If a male says they feel like a woman, how is that contrary to reality?

Ale

If a man says he's feels like a monkey, how is that contrary to reality?

Fact is, no one has actually dared to answer ATB's question.  If a man says he feels like he's female, that's accepted - at least by many.  But if he said he feels like he's a monkey and starts going around acting like monkey, I think most people would say he's got a problem.  So what is the principle for distinguishing between the two?  Is there a principle involved, or it is just arbitrary?

What is at issue is not whether he is a monkey, but whether he feels like one. Who are we to say how he feels?

So if a man went around acting like a monkey, you'd think that was ok?

I'm not going to validate your premise that believing one is a monkey is anything like having a gender identity issue. There is nothing contradictory in thinking a person that believes they are a monkey has a problem, yet a male that thinks he is a woman, doesn't. Humans have the capacity to be male/female and/or man/woman. Humans have no capacity to be a monkey.

Ale
46  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Chelsea (Bradley) Manning - when does gender assignment change you on: August 29, 2013, 05:31:20 PM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on August 29, 2013, 05:24:17 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on August 29, 2013, 05:05:21 PM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on August 29, 2013, 04:54:37 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on August 29, 2013, 04:37:46 PM


What is at issue is not whether he is a monkey, but whether he feels like one. Who are we to say how he feels?

If there is a biological "cause" of transgenderism, it likely has to do with hormones during pregnancy -- where the genetic codes in the fetus cause hormones to be released that shape its physical traits, but for some reason the hormonal mix that effects mental development comes out differently, resulting in a mentally-imprinted gender that is at odds with the physically-developed sex. Given the complicated nature of sex/gender and fetal development, it's surprising that transgenderism is actually as rare as it is.

To compare the plight of transgendered people to someone who thinks he is actually a completely different type of creature, well beyond the scope of the sort of hormonal/genetic combinations that may be the cause of transgenderism, is insulting and derisive towards an already maligned and misunderstood portion of our community.

Not sure why you chose to respond to me rather than the person who made the comparison. All I was saying is that it isn't up to us to decide whether a male who feels she is a woman is really feeling that.

Ale

Sorry, I read your sentence entirely backwards from how you meant it.
No worries. I know that I often don't express myself clearly.

Ale
47  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Chelsea (Bradley) Manning - when does gender assignment change you on: August 29, 2013, 05:05:21 PM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on August 29, 2013, 04:54:37 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on August 29, 2013, 04:37:46 PM


What is at issue is not whether he is a monkey, but whether he feels like one. Who are we to say how he feels?

If there is a biological "cause" of transgenderism, it likely has to do with hormones during pregnancy -- where the genetic codes in the fetus cause hormones to be released that shape its physical traits, but for some reason the hormonal mix that effects mental development comes out differently, resulting in a mentally-imprinted gender that is at odds with the physically-developed sex. Given the complicated nature of sex/gender and fetal development, it's surprising that transgenderism is actually as rare as it is.

To compare the plight of transgendered people to someone who thinks he is actually a completely different type of creature, well beyond the scope of the sort of hormonal/genetic combinations that may be the cause of transgenderism, is insulting and derisive towards an already maligned and misunderstood portion of our community.

Not sure why you chose to respond to me rather than the person who made the comparison. All I was saying is that it isn't up to us to decide whether a male who feels she is a woman is really feeling that.

Ale
48  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Chelsea (Bradley) Manning - when does gender assignment change you on: August 29, 2013, 04:42:38 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on August 29, 2013, 05:06:21 AM

Quote from: Alefroth on August 29, 2013, 04:52:24 AM

Quote from: wonderpug on August 27, 2013, 08:37:08 PM

ATB, consider someone born with both types of genitals.  Do you think that by removing the female set it will make the person identify as a male?  But if you had removed the male set you think they would have identified as a female?

Do people born with both genitals have standard male/female chromosome make-ups?

Ale

Good question; I wasn't sure either. 

From Wikipedia it appears that having both sets usually means you have both an XX and an XY pair, but from looking at this article, there's a variety of ways that you could have a normal XX or XY pair but exhibit the opposite type of genitals at birth.

I found the above interesting, but just for clarity, being transgender doesn't necessarily mean you have a chromosomal situation like in that link above.

That's some interesting information. I hope ATB reads it. If the biological separation of sex is not always clear cut, why should it be any different psychologically?

Ale
49  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Chelsea (Bradley) Manning - when does gender assignment change you on: August 29, 2013, 04:37:46 PM

Quote from: Grifman on August 29, 2013, 09:52:15 AM

Quote from: Alefroth on August 29, 2013, 04:50:48 AM

Quote from: ATB on August 27, 2013, 07:31:58 PM


This eschews the point and I'm going to choose to ignore it.  

There are people all over the world who see reality in a way that is contrary to reality. How is it that if someone says they feel like a woman even though they are a man suddenly validate the misconception? Rather than it being looked at as a mental issue like so many other mental disconnects?

If a male says they feel like a woman, how is that contrary to reality?

Ale

If a man says he's feels like a monkey, how is that contrary to reality?

Fact is, no one has actually dared to answer ATB's question.  If a man says he feels like he's female, that's accepted - at least by many.  But if he said he feels like he's a monkey and starts going around acting like monkey, I think most people would say he's got a problem.  So what is the principle for distinguishing between the two?  Is there a principle involved, or it is just arbitrary?

What is at issue is not whether he is a monkey, but whether he feels like one. Who are we to say how he feels?
50  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Chelsea (Bradley) Manning - when does gender assignment change you on: August 29, 2013, 04:52:24 AM

Quote from: wonderpug on August 27, 2013, 08:37:08 PM

ATB, consider someone born with both types of genitals.  Do you think that by removing the female set it will make the person identify as a male?  But if you had removed the male set you think they would have identified as a female?

Do people born with both genitals have standard male/female chromosome make-ups?

Ale
51  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Chelsea (Bradley) Manning - when does gender assignment change you on: August 29, 2013, 04:50:48 AM

Quote from: ATB on August 27, 2013, 07:31:58 PM


This eschews the point and I'm going to choose to ignore it.  

There are people all over the world who see reality in a way that is contrary to reality. How is it that if someone says they feel like a woman even though they are a man suddenly validate the misconception? Rather than it being looked at as a mental issue like so many other mental disconnects?

If a male says they feel like a woman, how is that contrary to reality?

Ale
52  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: how come we're not attacking syria? on: August 27, 2013, 04:46:55 PM

Quote from: Grifman on August 27, 2013, 03:09:30 PM

Quote from: ATB on August 26, 2013, 08:24:56 PM

Quote from: Grifman on August 26, 2013, 07:46:40 PM

Quote from: ATB on August 04, 2011, 01:20:37 PM

Seems their crackdown is as bad if not worse than libya's?

Looks like you are going to get your wish!

Not my wish.  I've said as much.

Then what were you complaining about?

He thinks not applying the same solution to every problem is inconsistent. When Obama does it.

Ale
53  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Marijuana. Just watched a documentary. on: August 26, 2013, 05:22:16 AM

Quote from: ATB on August 25, 2013, 11:46:19 PM

He then asked a legit question and Ale responded with silliness again.  Maybe I'm not aware of Brett's posting history, but dogging someone throughout a thread where he's done nothing wrong reeks of lynch mob mentality.  At least Fool engaged in dialogue and discussion. Then admittedly, Brett goes off the rails a bit.


You apparently understand punctuation about as well as brett, idiot.

Ale
54  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Marijuana. Just watched a documentary. on: August 24, 2013, 09:51:55 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on August 24, 2013, 07:53:11 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on August 24, 2013, 05:54:30 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on August 24, 2013, 05:11:45 PM

Because as soon as anyone answers you on anything, the goal posts move and you ask another nonsensical one line throwaway question.    You aren't worth answering.

Fair enough. You called me an idiot and I was just wondering if you'd explain why. I was just trying to get to the crux of the matter, but I can understand if you don't want to answer.

Ale

I would have no problems answering you if you could converse like a normal rational human being.

Yeah, actually, never mind. I realized I don't care why you think that.

AAle
55  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Marijuana. Just watched a documentary. on: August 24, 2013, 05:54:30 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on August 24, 2013, 05:11:45 PM

Because as soon as anyone answers you on anything, the goal posts move and you ask another nonsensical one line throwaway question.    You aren't worth answering.

Fair enough. You called me an idiot and I was just wondering if you'd explain why. I was just trying to get to the crux of the matter, but I can understand if you don't want to answer.

Ale
56  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Marijuana. Just watched a documentary. on: August 24, 2013, 05:05:54 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on August 24, 2013, 03:22:55 PM

Quote from: rshetts2 on August 24, 2013, 02:02:39 PM

So let me get this straight, something that is mood altering ( and mind altering ) that causes a chemical reaction in your body, can make you act stupid, is dangerous to do while driving and is allegedly addicting, makes it fully acceptable for the government to make it illegal?  Well then its time to outlaw sexual activilty!  Sex can even lead to death and insanity!  Quick, call your congressman right away!

Has anyone in this thread said that it should be illegal?    I haven't seen anyone so who the hell are you arguing with here?   

You still haven't said why you think using mind-altering drugs is unwise in general.

Ale
57  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Elder Scrolls Online on: August 23, 2013, 09:29:25 PM

Quote from: msduncan on August 22, 2013, 03:53:31 PM



I am *extremely* happy that they opted for Subscription based.    I am sick of walking around in MMOs feeling like I'm walking through a car dealership with a dozen things trying to get me to spend money.

I'm also sick of looking at an awesome mount someone got and instead of thinking 'wow!  that guy found that awesome mount so I need to go to that dungeon and see if I can get it' I'm saying 'wow!  that guy paid 20 bucks for that awesome mount'.   

THANK YOU for making this thing subscription based.   At least not everyone has lost their minds in 2013.

Subscriptions and car dealerships aren't mutually exclusive. Have they actually said there won't be a cash shop?

Ale
58  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Marijuana. Just watched a documentary. on: August 23, 2013, 07:22:40 PM

Quote from: stessier on August 23, 2013, 07:15:32 PM

I'm for legalization, but I also think anyone who uses for non-medical reasons is unwise.  I also think it should be legal only for adults as there is evidence it messes with brain development of the youngin's.

Why do you think it's unwise?

Ale
59  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Marijuana. Just watched a documentary. on: August 23, 2013, 05:24:02 PM
I asked IF you were, not WHY. Punctuation matters. I'm just trying to figure out why you think people who use drugs recreationally are idiots. Was just wondering if it was recreation in general you had a problem with.

Ale
60  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Marijuana. Just watched a documentary. on: August 23, 2013, 05:14:55 PM
Why would you ask that?

Ale
61  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Marijuana. Just watched a documentary. on: August 23, 2013, 04:52:40 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on August 23, 2013, 04:43:12 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on August 23, 2013, 04:40:56 PM

All drugs, or just ones that idiots have been led to believe are 'evil'?

Ale

I don't think any drugs are 'evil' I just think people who use recreational drugs are idiots. 

Why? Are you against recreation?

Ale
62  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Marijuana. Just watched a documentary. on: August 23, 2013, 04:40:56 PM
All drugs, or just ones that idiots have been led to believe are 'evil'?

Ale
63  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Health Care reform on: July 12, 2013, 12:19:07 AM

Quote from: Eco-Logic on July 11, 2013, 08:15:32 PM


Why should a half-assed bill be pushed through to reform healthcare, with no plan in place to actually implement the damn thing?

Because Republicans will drag their feet at any mention of healthcare reform and it was the only way to get a foothold.


Quote from: Eco-Logic
(i will not be convinced that it is ever "okay" to stop a beating heart as that is only for our Creator to decide).

But you don't want to let the creator of the baby decide.

Ale
64  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Zimmerman / Martin Thread? on: July 11, 2013, 11:04:22 PM

Quote from: Mystic95Z on July 11, 2013, 09:05:10 PM

as the police thought IIRC that this fit the stand your ground law...

Should the police be making that decision?

Ale
65  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: What will Obama's Scandals Be? on: May 23, 2013, 06:56:40 PM

Quote from: Eco-Logic on May 22, 2013, 08:55:54 PM

If my objective was to come on here and change the minds of the libs on this forum maybe I'd give a shit.  Not my objective though...

This forum is about the only place I ever actually communicate with people that are not completely outraged by this administration.  It has been obvious for a long time now that a whole lot of the public are completely uninformed and this forum is my destination to witness it first hand.

This forum also represents a great place to witness first hand liberal tactics, such as insulting and diverting.

You know the administration is corrupt when you have the likes of Lanny Davis demanding a special council...

Nobody gives a fug what your objectives are, but it's fun to have you here because we get to point and laugh and tell jokes behind your back.

Ale
66  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: F/S: Bioshock Infinite (PS3) + original Bioshock + ME3 or SSX on: April 15, 2013, 05:51:41 AM

Quote from: Lordnine on April 14, 2013, 05:05:31 PM

I only posted because I assume he has already traded it in at this point and was hoping to offer some explanation for lack of interest.  Gratch, if you haven't traded it back and want me to delete my post I'm happy too.  As for my statement, I buy most new games from Greemangaming, which almost always offers 20% off on new releases and preorders.  Check out this thread if you donít believe me.

Console titles tend to hold their prices slightly better but I have seen BSI for $15 off already.

Sorry, I read your post as 'drops to $15'.

Ale
67  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: F/S: Bioshock Infinite (PS3) + original Bioshock + ME3 or SSX on: April 14, 2013, 04:45:05 PM

Quote from: Lordnine on April 14, 2013, 04:35:41 PM

The problem is most games drop to $15 off within a couple weeks of release now.  You could also buy the PC version of Bioshock for $46 new on release day.  icon_confused

I think that's an exaggeration.

Gratch, just curious if you think GS will give you $45 for it.

Ale
68  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Just In: I don't find Kate Upton all that Attractive on: April 11, 2013, 08:35:37 PM
It worked. ATB is getting attention.

Ale
69  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Age of Wushu on: April 11, 2013, 12:46:15 AM
That's kind of how I feel about it.

Ale
70  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Age of Wushu on: April 10, 2013, 11:26:14 PM
It launches today. Anyone trying it out? I really don't need another MMO, but this one intrigues me enough to give it a look.

Age of Wushu

Ale
71  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Tucson gun store owner cancels purchase by Gabrielle Gifford's husband on: April 03, 2013, 09:43:51 PM

Quote from: hepcat on April 03, 2013, 08:45:59 PM

Self defense can be performed using any number of tools.  Should I claim owning a nuclear missile (other than the one in my pants...BAM!) is a basic human right?  

As for defining a human right, read on.  Then read some more.

To equate human rights with the right to bear arms in the United States is utterly ludicrous and trivializes such things as the Civil Rights Movement.

Is it a MIRV?

Ale
72  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: XCOM Steam code trade on: April 01, 2013, 11:04:31 PM
I'll get a $15 Amazon card for whoever has an XCOM code left.

ALe
73  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gaming Trend's Most Anticipated of 2013 on: March 29, 2013, 06:37:53 AM

Quote from: th'FOOL on January 23, 2013, 01:46:15 AM

Quote from: Alefroth on January 23, 2013, 01:43:50 AM

Quote from: th'FOOL on January 22, 2013, 07:57:11 PM

BTW, if Amazon is your pre-order outlet of choice, clicking on any of the entries will go to their pre-order page (if one exists).

I was up to slide 30 or so, and missed the arrow and went to the Amazon page. When I hit the back button, I was back at slide 1. Is there any way to remember the last slide we were on?

Ale

Amazon should be loading in a new window/tab

Edit- looks like you clicked on the one slide that I didn't change to 'new window' for the link Tongue It's fixed.

Thanks  icon_biggrin

Ale
74  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: (PC) XCOM: Enemy Unknown *Steam Key* on: March 29, 2013, 03:14:31 AM
I'll get a $15 Steam code for you.

Ale
75  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I had to put my cat to sleep yesterday... on: March 15, 2013, 04:06:22 AM
So sorry to hear that, Harpua. I know how you're feeling. I had to put mine to sleep today. Most likely a brain tumor. It was just a week ago that we realized something was wrong.

I never thought I'd be mourning the 10 year old before the 15 year old.

Ale
76  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Sequestration on: March 10, 2013, 05:23:54 PM

Quote from: Eco-Logic on March 10, 2013, 02:44:53 PM


What's that Obama budget proposal Harris is talking about? I thought there was no such thing.

Ale
77  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Sequestration on: March 07, 2013, 10:47:33 PM

Quote from: Eco-Logic on March 07, 2013, 01:54:46 AM

I'm a commission only sales type and our numbers are up 40% over last year, so it isn't bad for all salesmen smile

Did you think you'd see a difference in 5 days?

Ale
78  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Stare at this for 30 seconds then type 'clover' in comments, see what happens! on: February 28, 2013, 12:28:42 AM
I don't understand why people do it either.

Ale
79  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: February 28, 2013, 12:27:17 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on February 27, 2013, 10:18:43 PM

F34WMFWWVWWF.  not that hard, took me about as long as that Facebook thing Bullwinkle posted biggrin

You stud.

Ale
80  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Stare at this for 30 seconds then type 'clover' in comments, see what happens! on: February 27, 2013, 05:47:41 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 27, 2013, 01:16:35 PM

I'm not sure where the irony is coming in here.  I assume it's something about posting this myself here.

I'm referring to an earlier comment I made about similar items getting posted all the time on FB, talking about the challenge of them.  People continue to post them, so they must find them challenging.  I posted this as another example of how these keep happening and how, again, the answer comes in seconds, so I don't understand why people find these challenging and keep posting them.

My post here was to point that out.  It wasn't along the "isn't this cool" lines that seem to keep it propagated.


They are designed to get people to respond by making them think they are special because they can figure them out right away. A lot of spam uses techniques similar to this.


Ale
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