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« on: August 29, 2014, 04:34:39 PM »

Well, this is unlike Nintendo.  New versions of the 3DS and XL have been announced in Japan but this time they are not just cosmetic upgrades.  The new versions include a second analogue stick, an improved processor, and at-least one exclusive game in the form of Xenoblade Chronicles.

I'm actually very surprised by this, since in the past, Nintendo has gone out of its way to ensure that hardware redesigns do not invalidate the previous releases.  That said, I'm extremely excited for this upgrade.  Maybe I will finally be able to play and finish Kid Icarus...

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better 3D
second stick
NFC built-in
coloured buttons
more buttons
better battery (up to 7h)
now compatible with microSDCard
you can back up data on your PC via wireless.
browser improved, now works with HTML5
CPU improved, makes browsing Miiverse / eShop much faster.
you can switch designs now (covers)
4.88 inch screen 3DS LL
3.88 inch screen 3DS OG
ABXY Buttons color coded

There is also some speculation/rumors that, with the inclusion of the new buttons, the new models will function in conjunction with the WiiU.  Basically giving the option of an extra game pad for WiiU games that supports it.  While definitely just a rumor at the moment, if that is true, it will be huge.
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2014, 05:45:05 PM »

What the heck, why not just wait and make a new thing so that all games made for it can take full advantage of it's new features?
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2014, 06:51:46 PM »

It took two years for the 3DS to gain speed, abandoning it already would cause a riot.

Besides, while the new processor is better, I do not believe it’s enough of an improvement to constitute a whole new generation.  The other improvements, 2nd analogue stick notwithstanding, are not going to make much of a difference for games.
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2014, 09:15:11 PM »

Even with this I feel like rioting a bit. ; )

I mean, there have been some really awesome 3DS games, but overall I'm disappointed with the pace of good releases coming out. It just feels like we're so far from the onslaught of great games we had with the last few Nintendo handhelds. I'd rather see them squeeze more life out of the current platform until it's time for a whole new one, rather than this mini-upgrade. The more games take advantage of the upgrades, the more I'll be grumpy about needing to upgrade.  <cantfindthecolbertsmiley>
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2014, 09:59:37 PM »

I swear, Nintendo has the worst marketing department on the planet. This is even worse than the name "Wii U". I'm sure there won't be any confusion at all when games that can't be played on the 3DS and 2DS but can be played on the "New 3DS" come out.

What I really want to know is what happens to all of your games if you upgrade? Aren't Nintendo accounts tied to the physical hardware?
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2014, 10:10:22 PM »

Quote from: Teggy on August 29, 2014, 09:59:37 PM

What I really want to know is what happens to all of your games if you upgrade? Aren't Nintendo accounts tied to the physical hardware?
You’ve always been able to do a system transfer from one device to another.  You activate the transfer and once the system verifies the data on the new system, all data on the old is deleted.  It is the worst possible way of keeping your data but it does work.  The fact that the new functionality is the ability to backup to PC makes me wonder if they finally improving this.  The new network ID's already keep track of the games you own so the fact that it is not consistent with PSN or Steam is just stubbornness on their part.
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2014, 12:05:36 AM »

Being able to play Xenoblade Chronicles on a handheld is almost worth it by itself.  I just bought my first 3DS XL last holiday season.  I guess I could give that one to my kids if I pick up the new one.  It depends on how much it is.  We have time though.  We probably won't see it in NA until 2015.
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2014, 08:24:07 PM »

Quote from: Teggy on August 29, 2014, 09:59:37 PM

I swear, Nintendo has the worst marketing department on the planet. This is even worse than the name "Wii U". I'm sure there won't be any confusion at all when games that can't be played on the 3DS and 2DS but can be played on the "New 3DS" come out.

I agree. As one of my mottoes goes:

"The average person is a complete idiot."

This is going to bomb and going to bomb hard. Either consumers will never understand what the difference between the 3DS and the New 3DS are (especially on game purchases), or the people themselves will rebel over this 'new and improved' version and drop Nintendo.

They are not Apple. They can't pull a 'new and improved' device every year like they do.
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2014, 09:55:33 PM »

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This is going to bomb and going to bomb hard.
My guess is that they will recall the old models in stores and start to only sell the new ones similarly to what they did with the non-premium WiiU’s.  The original press release really only noted that the eShop and browser would benefit from the extra processor power anyways.  Xenoblade Chronicles is likely to be an anomaly instead of the norm since developers will not want to limit their install base.  In that way, it will be an upgrade that is nice to have instead of something that is mandatory.

As someone who purchased the original 3DS on launch, but not the XL, I am very happy to pick this upgrade up once it comes out.
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2014, 03:21:25 AM »

Quote from: Lordnine on August 30, 2014, 09:55:33 PM

Xenoblade Chronicles is likely to be an anomaly instead of the norm since developers will not want to limit their install base.  In that way, it will be an upgrade that is nice to have instead of something that is mandatory.

Except now developers not only have more system power to use, but a second analog stick built in, AND an extra pair of L and R buttons.

So either all the functions will get used, and alienate the old users, or none of the functions will get used, because the install base won't have the consoles.

This is EXACTLY like Kinect on the XB1 and 360. Not everybody will have one, so NOBODY will make a game that requires it.
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2014, 04:56:13 AM »

Quote from: Destructor on September 01, 2014, 03:21:25 AM

Quote from: Lordnine on August 30, 2014, 09:55:33 PM

Xenoblade Chronicles is likely to be an anomaly instead of the norm since developers will not want to limit their install base.  In that way, it will be an upgrade that is nice to have instead of something that is mandatory.

Except now developers not only have more system power to use, but a second analog stick built in, AND an extra pair of L and R buttons.

So either all the functions will get used, and alienate the old users, or none of the functions will get used, because the install base won't have the consoles.

This is EXACTLY like Kinect on the XB1 and 360. Not everybody will have one, so NOBODY will make a game that requires it.
I would hope we see things similar to Resident Evil on the 3DS, which had multiple control scheme options you could use in the option menu.  One of which supported the 2nd analogue stick attachment.

The base 3DS also already has multiple graphics settings (in a sense) when you consider many games drop in frame rate if you try to play with 3D enabled.  The new processor may just mean that you will be able to leave the 3D on AND keep your smooth frame rate.

PC’s have multiple control and graphics options, why shouldn’t console games?
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2014, 10:04:24 AM »

Better processor but the same sh!tty screen resolution.  thumbsdown
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2014, 08:42:26 PM »

Quote from: Dante Rising on September 01, 2014, 10:04:24 AM

Better processor but the same sh!tty screen resolution.  thumbsdown

Super low rez. Love the system but yep.
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2014, 08:58:23 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on August 30, 2014, 08:24:07 PM

This is going to bomb and going to bomb hard. Either consumers will never understand what the difference between the 3DS and the New 3DS are (especially on game purchases), or the people themselves will rebel over this 'new and improved' version and drop Nintendo.

It's kind of interesting actually, because this new 3DS model gives credence to Nintendo's very recent claims that they're going to stop focusing on casual players, considering them lost to cell phones and tablets. I don't think they're releasing this to sell to their traditional DS market, but are instead giving "hardcore" Nintendo fans something to play with. It's pointing towards a new direction for Nintendo, and one that could be very good for the kind of people who, well, frequent this kind of forum. slywink

So in other words, I'm not so certain it's going to bomb. It's unlikely to sell in huge amounts to casual players, but it could lure in the core gamers while they're waiting for the next console release from Nintendo, and I suspect that this is Nintendo's intention. They probably don't expect to sell tens of millions of it.
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2014, 07:56:49 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on September 01, 2014, 08:58:23 PM

It's kind of interesting actually, because this new 3DS model gives credence to Nintendo's very recent claims that they're going to stop focusing on casual players, considering them lost to cell phones and tablets.
That's an interesting thought.  Tighten up their demographic aim and concede the casuals to tablets/phones.  Sony has been succesfull in NA and Europe with that approach for the PS4.   
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2014, 02:03:36 PM »

I'm irrationally excited for this. I've played Xenoblade for about 200 hours and I'm probably going to go back to the well AGAIN for this. I hope there's new content included.
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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2014, 05:26:38 AM »

I've got a New 3DS XL on its way to me from Hong Kong right now. Should receive it tomorrow. Looking forward to giving it a spin. smile
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2014, 12:31:45 AM »

Quote from: TiLT on December 02, 2014, 05:26:38 AM

I've got a New 3DS XL on its way to me from Hong Kong right now. Should receive it tomorrow. Looking forward to giving it a spin. smile

You realize that Nintendo is still behind the times and they region lock their consoles, right? What exactly are you going to play on it (short of pirated games)?
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2014, 01:30:55 AM »

Quote from: Destructor on December 10, 2014, 12:31:45 AM

Quote from: TiLT on December 02, 2014, 05:26:38 AM

I've got a New 3DS XL on its way to me from Hong Kong right now. Should receive it tomorrow. Looking forward to giving it a spin. smile

You realize that Nintendo is still behind the times and they region lock their consoles, right? What exactly are you going to play on it (short of pirated games)?

FWIW, the regular DS was not region locked. 
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2014, 05:21:58 AM »

Quote from: Destructor on December 10, 2014, 12:31:45 AM

Quote from: TiLT on December 02, 2014, 05:26:38 AM

I've got a New 3DS XL on its way to me from Hong Kong right now. Should receive it tomorrow. Looking forward to giving it a spin. smile

You realize that Nintendo is still behind the times and they region lock their consoles, right? What exactly are you going to play on it (short of pirated games)?

A bit trigger happy with your conclusions, aren't you? slywink Yes, the 3DS is region locked. Specifically, the Australian 3DS (which is the one I bought) is region locked to Australia and... Europe.

What can I play on it? Everything I damn well please. Tongue

It's very good, btw. I've bee playing it daily since I got it, and the improved 3D in particular makes a huge difference.

Edit: By the way, if you were implying that I pirate games, then shame on you! I worked in the game industry for 4 years. I don't pirate squat, and that's not going to change. I routinely purchase software worth hundreds of dollars. Heck, just yesterday I bought a single piece of software for approx. $177.
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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2014, 05:32:05 PM »

Which one did you get Tilt?  The new 3ds or 3ds XL?  I have a 3ds XL, but I'm thinking of getting a new 3ds when they launch in NA.  It sounds like the screens are bigger on the new 3ds.   
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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2014, 05:40:51 PM »



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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2014, 06:10:40 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on December 10, 2014, 05:40:51 PM



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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2014, 06:21:40 PM »

I couldn't go back to the regularly sized 3DS after using the XL, so I can't really recommend that. Then again, I know people disagree about this based on personal preference, especially since some people feel the XL's screen is actually too large. I don't.

I got the black New 3DS XL, to at least answer something about what I got. I don't really have any software that takes advantage of the new control knob and two new shoulder buttons (well, I do have Resident Evil: Revelations, but I've already completed that), so right now I'm just enjoying the improved 3D, faster downloads, and quicker load times while waiting for Ace Attorney Trilogy to release tomorrow.
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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2014, 09:41:41 PM »

How are the improvements? I couldn't stand my old 3DS XL, and just got rid of it after a short time.
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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2014, 10:53:35 PM »

It kind of sucks that they aren't making the XL customizable. If I upgrade my XL I'm not going to want to downsize, and having the option for a faceplate would be nice.
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« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2014, 12:35:26 AM »

Quote from: TiLT on December 10, 2014, 05:21:58 AM

A bit trigger happy with your conclusions, aren't you? slywink Yes, the 3DS is region locked. Specifically, the Australian 3DS (which is the one I bought) is region locked to Australia and... Europe.

...wait, you can buy it in Australia (and Japan, obviously) right now? That is...really weird.

That's why I figured you were going to get your games via other means, as sure you didn't sound Japanese. biggrin
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« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2014, 02:08:08 AM »

I've tried it out and really love it and wish that it wasn't region locked because I probably would have bought a Japanese version already. The XL version is a little large for my liking.
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« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2014, 05:22:21 AM »

Quote from: Turtle on December 10, 2014, 09:41:41 PM

How are the improvements? I couldn't stand my old 3DS XL, and just got rid of it after a short time.

As I said, I haven't really seen many of them in action since I don't have the proper games. The 3D effect is much improved though. I turned it off on my old 3DS XL, but I'm keeping it on all the time now.

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...wait, you can buy it in Australia (and Japan, obviously) right now? That is...really weird.

It is, isn't it? I have no idea why they decided to do it in this way, but that's how it is. Gives Europeans an opportunity to get the console early, but I don't know if that was ever a factor in the decision to release early in Australia.
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« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2014, 07:39:25 PM »

I'm glad to hear the 3d is better.  I never use it on my XL because it's a losing battle trying to hold the console in the very small optimal viewing position.   
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« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2014, 07:42:50 PM »

It's pretty clever, actually. The front camera identifies where your face is at any given time, then adjusts the screen so that you'll get the optimal picture for your viewing angle. That means you can tilt the 3DS quite a bit to the sides now (but less up and down) without losing the 3D effect.
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