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« on: June 04, 2015, 06:18:01 PM »

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[Rick] Perry, 65, joins a long list of fellow Republican candidates that includes former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, former New York Gov. George Pataki and South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham.

Those debates ought to be fun. 
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2015, 01:40:08 AM »

Who do you suppose the Kochs will choose? As I read it, Rubio is the leading establishment figure because the Bush name is poison, but Walker is also a contender. Admittedly, most of what I read is filtered through liberal press.
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2015, 03:05:49 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2015, 11:00:17 PM »

 ^^ About sums it up, clown car FTL..
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2015, 02:35:22 PM »

Isn't Perry in the middle of a criminal case against him? Or did he get that to go away?
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2015, 06:23:21 PM »

You're thinking of Perry Mason.  He's always in the middle of a criminal case.
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2015, 08:01:41 PM »

Quote from: Scraper on June 25, 2015, 02:35:22 PM

Isn't Perry in the middle of a criminal case against him? Or did he get that to go away?

The case is slowly grinding its way along.
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2016, 04:09:18 AM »

Voting starts in a couple of weeks and right now it looks like this thing is Trump's to lose. The R Party seems to be tearing itself apart over whether it hates Trump or Cruz more, while the R voters seem to feel just the opposite. None of the establishment candidates have any traction yet, but three or four of them are vying for second place.

How's it going to shake out?
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2016, 12:35:35 AM »

Quote from: Ironrod on January 23, 2016, 04:09:18 AM

Voting starts in a couple of weeks and right now it looks like this thing is Trump's to lose. The R Party seems to be tearing itself apart over whether it hates Trump or Cruz more, while the R voters seem to feel just the opposite. None of the establishment candidates have any traction yet, but three or four of them are vying for second place.

How's it going to shake out?

I'm so...so..confused.  Even my hardcore uber-republican father-in-law can't pick between those two, and is instead choosing Rand Paul. He's never voted outside of the straight-ticket Republican side.   This is gonna be a very strange election cycle.   I'm mystified by Trump.  He doesn't have to tell the truth, and even when he's called out on his bullshit, his poll numbers only rise.  Are we being punked?  Is he a secret Democrat foil set to disrupt the R party so badly that the Dems win by default?  I can't otherwise explain his buffoonery.
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2016, 09:45:03 PM »

I think it might be the first time that both the general democratic and republican parties agree on who they don't want to win. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2016, 10:02:41 PM »

They should put an empty podium up at the debate for the other candidates to talk to.  It worked for Clint Eastwood.
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2016, 11:42:28 PM »

If Bush, Kasich, Rubio, and Christie are the best that the sane wing could offer, I can sort of understand why so many Republicans have decided to go with crazy. Trump is entertaining enough that he just might go all the way.

I don't understand how so many people find him charismatic.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2016, 07:14:05 PM »

Quote from: Ironrod on January 28, 2016, 11:42:28 PM

I don't understand how so many people find him charismatic.

It's been bugging me as well, but this recent Opinion article in the LA Times I found to be as good an explanation as any.  It's a bit high brow but I felt it was well written and well thought out.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-keizer-why-blue-collar-voters-like-trump-20160131-story.html
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2016, 11:33:20 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on February 01, 2016, 07:14:05 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on January 28, 2016, 11:42:28 PM

I don't understand how so many people find him charismatic.

It's been bugging me as well, but this recent Opinion article in the LA Times I found to be as good an explanation as any.  It's a bit high brow but I felt it was well written and well thought out.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-keizer-why-blue-collar-voters-like-trump-20160131-story.html

I find that analysis less convincing than the appeal of authoritarianism, which, although strongest among Republicans, also seduces significant numbers of independents and working-class Democrats. The tougher Trump talks, the more people love him. If you're mad as hell and you aren't going to take it anymore, you gravitate to the leader who reflects and reinforces your anger. This also explains why Bernie Sanders has a shot at defeating the Clinton machine, and why Sanders polls better against Trump than Clinton does. Sanders is the anti-authoritarian, but he's as angry as Trump is. 

Still doesn't explain Trump's charisma, though. Maybe his 4th-grade vocabulary makes him likable?  
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2016, 12:22:31 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2016, 07:04:12 AM »

Rand Paul should have gone with blue. Wouldn't you just once like to see a political logo in, say, green and orange?

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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2016, 04:21:07 PM »

All you need is Carly or Cruz to drop out and you have a Bingo!
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2016, 11:56:33 PM »

I can't believe my two choices are going to be clinton and trump. I am mortified.
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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2016, 02:48:49 PM »

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I can't believe my two choices are going to be clinton and trump. I am mortified.

The republicans are getting what they deserve. The party has been hijacked by radicals who see compromise and unity as a weakness. There is no room for a moderate republican in today's party. Thus the lunatic fringe is rising to the top. As someone who really doesn't like Hillary Clinton I wish this wasn't the case. I would take a Ford of GHWB over any of the current candidates on either side. But if they ran today they wouldn't have even made it past Iowa.
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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2016, 04:58:30 PM »

Yup, what Scraper said.  The GOP needs to get its house in order and realize that they need to get rid of the extremists that have taken the reins the last few years.  I hate to say this, but I honestly think those extremists came into being because we elected an African American president, and because America has started to move away from homophobia.

It's becoming the antithesis of what it should be, considering its past.

The democrats have another problem:  they are letting a dynasty come into power.  I do not want a Clinton.  But my only other option is Bernie, and while I generally like what he says, his lack of any real foreign policy troubles me.

In short, this election is going to be a losing endeavor for me no matter what happens.
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2016, 01:22:29 AM »

Quote from: hepcat on February 22, 2016, 04:58:30 PM

Yup, what Scraper said.  The GOP needs to get its house in order and realize that they need to get rid of the extremists that have taken the reins the last few years.  I hate to say this, but I honestly think those extremists came into being because we elected an African American president, and because America has started to move away from homophobia.

It's becoming the antithesis of what it should be, considering its past.

The democrats have another problem:  they are letting a dynasty come into power.  I do not want a Clinton.  But my only other option is Bernie, and while I generally like what he says, his lack of any real foreign policy troubles me.

In short, this election is going to be a losing endeavor for me no matter what happens.

I agree. A country of a few hundred million people, and this is the best either side can do. I absolutely do not want Clinton in office, but there is no way that Trump can win once people actually need to cast a real vote. I was hoping for two moderates this time around, and ended up with two radicals.i didn't think it was possible to roll snake eyes through three presidential elections, but here we go.
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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2016, 10:48:46 PM »

Carson is out

One would think this should have come sooner.
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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2016, 03:41:25 AM »

Carson was not even consequential enough to dislike. He did brief stints as a frontrunner and as a laughingstock, but for the most part he was an afterthought. Someone must have been lining their pockets with all those campaign donations for him to have kept the gravy train going for so long.

I've seen him mentioned as a Trump VP choice but don't know whether to put any stock in that.
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2016, 11:12:17 AM »

It looks to be a lose, lose situation for you folks south of the 49th parallel North.

Trump - the World losses
Clinton - oh man, please say no.
Bernie - A good old boy, who probably wouldn't have the oomph to get much done in office
Cruz - I think I would pick Trump over Cruz, he seems to me to be that stereotype of a sleezy Politician.
Rubio
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The next 4 years should be.............scary.
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2016, 09:49:50 PM »

The most likely outcome is 4 more years of gradual decline under a Clinton kleptocracy, probably featuring a new war for distraction.
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« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2016, 09:11:57 AM »

Talk about, damned if you do, and damned if you don't situations.
If Trump gets in, there is lots of room right here on Georgian Bay. Come on up, I promise we won't start a war.
We might peace-keep a conflict, but start a war, not Canada.  smile
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« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2016, 06:27:01 PM »

Kasich, I would have expected him to have dropped out already.

Trump scares me as he only seems to say what his supporters want to hear and never actually answers a question.  Cruz is scary as I actually think he believes what he says. 

you can substitute Hillary and her donors for Trump.  Also, if she wins, I expect even less accomplished in congress than we've had the last four years. 
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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2016, 04:55:28 PM »

I don't know what to make of this election cycle.  The demagoguery is so far outside of the real world that it makes my brain hurt. 
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« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2016, 05:48:15 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on May 30, 2016, 04:55:28 PM

I don't know what to make of this election cycle.  The demagoguery is so far outside of the real world that it makes my brain hurt. 

How true.  I started out enjoying the GOP turmoil with Trump in the mix but that man is a walking time bomb imo, the promises he makes are unrealistic and dangerous.  On the other side Clinton has no appeal either, I don't see how the U.S. wins in this election.
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« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2016, 01:11:49 PM »

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