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« on: October 19, 2015, 12:47:09 PM »

Last few days have certainly been revealing to me. Russia has apparently done more to stop the so called, Isis machine, than the US.

I learned that Russia has only 2 military bases outside of their borders. The US has bases alll over the world. Russia's military spending is put at about 57 billion.
The States has 10 times the budget of Russia. Yep, 575 billion dollars.
Who looks like the aggresor in these stats?

Syria, is the plan. Assad is the obsticle. Isis are left alone virtually to run rough-shod over Syria, with hope of ousting Assad. Who is a thorn on the US plans
for a new pipeline that will run alternative to the one now. They believe this will ensure the US oil buckets will never empty.

With Assad out of the way, and a puppet Government installed, would give the US interests in the middle-east a HUGE boost.

It isn't as clear cut as Western leaders would have us believe. They're all basically serving themselves. Hidden agendas, chest thumping, and saber rattling doesn't work anymore.
Direct action does.

To think that we're always right and Russia is always wrong, is a nice polly-anna philosophy, but its terribly skewed.

I think the US should really be carefull the next election. Strengthen the things that remain.

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2015, 03:25:25 PM »

Quote from: Arclight on October 19, 2015, 12:47:09 PM

Last few days have certainly been revealing to me. Russia has apparently done more to stop the so called, Isis machine, than the US.

And don't forget they've been great at also targeting those who oppose Bashar al-Assad's regime!  I mean, sure, sometimes an ISIS member might get in the way, but Putin is doing fantastic at keeping in power the one man in the Middle East that gives Russia any real presence in the area.  

Sure, Bashar will gas children and torture women, but hey, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, eh?  Screw 'em, they don't live here!
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2015, 04:08:53 PM »

Quote from: Arclight on October 19, 2015, 12:47:09 PM

Last few days have certainly been revealing to me. Russia has apparently done more to stop the so called, Isis machine, than the US.

You mean by bombing cities where ISIS hasn't had a presence for months, but where, by pure random chance, rebels were holed up? Yeah, that'll show those ISIS guys, for sure!

Don't fool yourself into thinking ISIS is Russia's main target in this conflict. They're there to secure Assad's regime first and foremost. ISIS is a bonus they get to whenever they feel like it. Should ISIS fear them? Sure, because Russia doesn't give a shit who they're trampling all over with their war engine, unlike the US which actually does care about international conventions for the most part (with some notable and serious exceptions).

Russia outsmarted everyone else in the Syria conflict, of that there is no doubt. China scored brownie points too. I doubt the rest of the world will be as unprepared for their stunts the next time. ISIS, on the other hand, have plenty of time to dig their foxholes before Russia decides to deem them worthy of bombing.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2015, 02:18:16 AM »

Putin is too smart to get bogged down in an interminable fight against ISIS. He should stick close to his bases (or withdraw entirely) once Assad's internal opponents are crushed, because Assad is Russia's only stake in Syria. Plenty of other actors have more riding on containing ISIS and Russia doesn't have the resources for that quagmire.

Now, if it turns out that ISIS seriously threatens Assad's survival after his other rivals have been cleared, then Russia might have already committed to a fight that it doesn't want and can't win. That would be a lucky break for US interests.
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2015, 01:05:49 PM »

Putin loses Syria as his ally in the middle east and he's effectively lost his seat at the adult's table in any discussion surrounding policy in that arena.  He will fight tooth and nail to keep that seat.  For him, it's about respect.  He's essentially a thug who demands it...at gunpoint if need be.  Anyone who finds his actions laudable is telling everyone around them that they have zero knowledge of international affairs at this point.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2015, 02:21:02 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on October 20, 2015, 01:05:49 PM

Putin loses Syria as his ally in the middle east and he's effectively lost his seat at the adult's table in any discussion surrounding policy in that arena.  He will fight tooth and nail to keep that seat.  For him, it's about respect.  He's essentially a thug who demands it...at gunpoint if need be.  Anyone who finds his actions laudable is telling everyone around them that they have zero knowledge of international affairs at this point.

I don't think Putin is the weasel we all have been told he is. Yes, he's a macho man, and likes to perform his athletic feats for the camera, We find it childish and think, what a moron. But...In Russia, the men eat that stuff up.
They are different..........But as we know, different doesn't mean bad.  I mean, to think the West isn't running a well oiled propaganda machine against Putin and Mother Russia, is a bit naive.
If you have to point fingers, you'll need two.  One for Us and one for Russia. Who's wrong?

We're told as many lies as the Russian people are.

We have a closet full of skeletons. I just can't believe everything the West says about Putin.
He's no Walt Disney I agree. But he's also not the Anti-Christ.

Rhetoric and propaganda needs to give place to the plight of the refugees. A perfect opportunity to work together at least until the mothers and children are looked after.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2015, 03:38:45 PM »

Quote from: Arclight on October 20, 2015, 02:21:02 PM

We're told as many lies as the Russian people are.

No you are not. You seem to be living in some kind of bubble where you think the US and Russia are the only two nations on this planet. If you actually stuck your head outside and listened instead of just talking, you'd know that while there's tons of criticism to toss at the USA, it all pales in comparison to the cause for criticism towards Russia.

This isn't even worth debating. The facts are available to everyone. You'd have to have your head stuck in the sand to believe even a single word coming out of Putin's mouth these days. There are videos, photos, endless witness accounts, international reports from independent observers, and all other kinds of evidence against Russia in both Syria and Ukraine. Just because the UN and NATO have their hands tied for diplomatic reasons doesn't mean that Russia isn't doing anything wrong.

Do you really have this much of a need to be part of someone's propaganda machine? Whatever propaganda you face within your own country is harmless fun compared to what goes on in the country you seem to have designated as saintly. Wake up and do some bloody research before jumping into your fantasy world of conspiracies.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2015, 02:32:30 AM »

Quote from: hepcat on October 20, 2015, 01:05:49 PM

Putin loses Syria as his ally in the middle east and he's effectively lost his seat at the adult's table in any discussion surrounding policy in that arena.  

Yes, this. Putin's main concern is Assad's survival and he is only interested in ISIS in that context. They are of minor concern for now.

Two things you have to bear in mind: Putin has the luxury of playing a long game because he's not limited to four or eight years; Russian policy doesn't have all that pesky democracy muddying up geopolitics; and foreign policy between autocratic regimes is personal. OK, that was three things. Two and a half since the last one follows from the second. Eh, I'll round down and stick with two.
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2015, 04:57:18 PM »

There is no reality in which Putin is a hero.  While our country has made its share of mistakes, our leaders at least know they can't keep themselves in power for decades by changing the laws to suit their needs.  Nor do they advocate punishing people simply for being gay.  Putin is running a charm offensive (and has been for a while), but even a cursory look into his activities on both the international and domestic stage will give you a glimpse of the real man.
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2015, 11:30:28 PM »

  Putin is running a charm offensive...Hepcat.

When I read news, from "both" sides It can help a tad in deciphering "propaganda" Which the States are Masters at as well as Russia. Is that not true? sure.
We're both as bad in a lot of ways of each other. Be real. I love the States, and would take them over any other super power. But I have a mind that always
looks somewhere in the middle when counseling couples, or  any dispute  between two diametrically opposed people.

We take sides. Its our nature. But that's not truth either.

Oil, oil, oil,oil, oil.oil OIL O I L.........We're all pretending to care for other countries, because they have something we need. Would it change if we didn't "need" them?
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2015, 06:56:18 AM »

Get back to us when you actually live in a country that has oil and shares a border with Russia. Russia acts like a complete asshole over here in more ways than any of you probably even hear about in the news, while we have a constructive, friendly relationship (for the most part) with the US.

Arclight, it really doesn't sound like you're even at the brink of understanding when it comes to this topic. Put down that joint, go pick up your passport, and travel the world. Try to learn something before attempting to educate others.
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2015, 01:52:48 PM »

Do you know me Tilt?  I'm an vet, and I traveled a large part of the globe. Feel silly now?

Why don't you put down your comic books, and learn, experience real life.
You can't resist can you Tilt?
You're a friggin troll. end of

Canada has the oil sands of Alberta look up how much we produce....Try Google.
We are Geographical as close to Russia as you are....again, Google is your friend.

Stop dragging my posts to your level. Did I ask you to comment on my private life?

Tell us why you did?
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2015, 02:01:35 PM »

When did we allow personal attacks on this forum.
Is Tilt special?

This "person" makes a point of trolling my posts, name calling, and generally being a troll by every definition of the word.

What's it take to get a moderator to speak to this person?

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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2015, 04:59:09 PM »

I would think that Norway with its land border with Russia is much closer than Canada which has the entire state of Alaska between it and Russia.  The Paris attacks may lead to increased tension in Syria now with the French wanting to clear up that state and probably targeting getting rid of the current regime while Russia tries to keep them in power by fighting the rebels more so than ISIS.
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2015, 06:18:53 PM »

Quote from: Zinfan on November 14, 2015, 04:59:09 PM

I would think that Norway with its land border with Russia is much closer than Canada which has the entire state of Alaska between it and Russia. 





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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2015, 01:34:54 AM »

Oh yes I forgot the noted superhighway named the Arctic Ocean, my bad.  My point remains that Norway shares a land border with Russia and Canada has Alaska and the Arctic Ocean between them.  Sure the Russians flew a bomber that was intercepted 75 km from Canada but sheese it is still far away and in no way comparable to Norway.
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2015, 06:46:03 PM »

Agreed.  Your point was fine.  It's your details that were wrong.  NORAD spends a lot of resources watching over the pole, as bombers and ICBMs are much more likely to come over the pole than come knocking on Palin's door.
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2015, 08:48:20 PM »

Quote from: Isgrimnur on November 16, 2015, 06:46:03 PM

Agreed.  Your point was fine.  It's your details that were wrong.  NORAD spends a lot of resources watching over the pole, as bombers and ICBMs are much more likely to come over the pole than come knocking on Palin's door.

Agreed.
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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2015, 01:59:55 AM »

So, factually speaking were even.
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