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« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2014, 02:57:40 PM »

Quote from: Z-Corn on August 20, 2014, 12:44:03 PM

Is it true that JW's believe only 144,000 souls get to go to heaven?

If so, didn't they hit that number a long time ago?

Yes and yes. However, they believe there are two "classes," one a heavenly class and one an earthly class. The heavenly class is only 144,000, and the rest will live forever on Earth.

There's some talk that they're going to announce that the 144,000 number was always supposed to be figurative, though. Basically, a couple of years ago they happened to say that maybe there are NEW people being added to the 144,000, and lo and behold a bunch of people all of a sudden started believing they were going to heaven! WHAT A CONCEPT! So now the number of people who profess that belief is going up, and they're probably going to have to say that the number was figurative all along.

HOWEVER, since the "144,000" was always the ruling class, how can the church rulers keep their power? Simple! They've now changed the doctrine to state that the only ones who can provide their special brand of "spiritual food" are... the church rulers.

Pure control. If you were at all interested about what they have to believe and were thinking of listening to them, stay far far away. Better yet, if a JW comes to your door, just ask them why they were a part of the UN for 10 years. That should get them thinking.
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« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2014, 05:40:16 PM »

Lee how is your family treating you at this point?

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« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2014, 06:00:22 PM »

Quote from: Scraper on August 20, 2014, 05:40:16 PM

Lee how is your family treating you at this point?



Ummm...fine, thanks. Tongue

(I know Eel is also a Lee, just couldn't resist.)
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« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2014, 06:02:48 PM »

Quote from: Lee on August 20, 2014, 06:00:22 PM

Quote from: Scraper on August 20, 2014, 05:40:16 PM

Lee how is your family treating you at this point?



Ummm...fine, thanks. Tongue

(I know Eel is also a Lee, just couldn't resist.)

Maybe I should have used his surname "Mr. Snave"  icon_wink
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« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2014, 06:27:00 PM »



So this WASN'T a documentary?
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« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2014, 02:53:26 PM »

Quote from: Scraper on August 20, 2014, 05:40:16 PM

Lee how is your family treating you at this point?

You should ask him. smile

Nah, at this point I haven't formally declared that I'm out, so it's kind of a weird situation. Most of my family never was JW, so they're thrilled. My mom is, and she had a conniption fit when I told her. However, since I'm not officially out, she's still talking to me. I know she'll stop once I quit.

My wife is still a JW, and while she's horribly disappointed, she's still being as supportive as she can. I'm not sure if she's questioning things or not... she called me "birthday boy" today, which was weird.
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« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2014, 03:11:39 PM »

Quote from: Eel Snave on August 22, 2014, 02:53:26 PM

Quote from: Scraper on August 20, 2014, 05:40:16 PM

Lee how is your family treating you at this point?

You should ask him. smile

Nah, at this point I haven't formally declared that I'm out, so it's kind of a weird situation. Most of my family never was JW, so they're thrilled. My mom is, and she had a conniption fit when I told her. However, since I'm not officially out, she's still talking to me. I know she'll stop once I quit.

My wife is still a JW, and while she's horribly disappointed, she's still being as supportive as she can. I'm not sure if she's questioning things or not... she called me "birthday boy" today, which was weird.

Ouch, I didn't know your wife was still in JW. That could make things difficult for the marriage.

I would encourage you to read some of the stories of people who left Scientology. What they go through in leaving the church is probably 10x worse than JWs, but they use very similar tactics to keep you in the church. Reading the stories of those people may help you avoid some of the pitfalls they went through to get to a better place in life.
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« Reply #47 on: August 22, 2014, 04:27:34 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on August 07, 2014, 02:06:12 PM

What exactly DID Jesus teach, though?  All we have are the written words of so many people...most with agendas...that it's become impossible to know what Christianity really stands for.

We have the Gospels. Which were selected by the Church because they conformed with the Creed and had been accepted as valid by the various Sees as far back as there are records. The three synoptic Gospels are variations on a theme (both Matthew and Luke seem to be revisions and expansions of Mark), while John is something else. While you can't assemble a day by day specific chronology of Jesus's ministry from the four Gospels, they do have a consistent message and spirituality to them. Most importantly, they also conform to the Creed, which is the actual foundational beliefs of the Christian religion. If you're a Christian from an Apostolic tradition, then you trust the four Gospels because the ante-Nicean church accepted them, and the post-Nicean Church confirmed them as canon because they reflect the beliefs of the Creed, and you believe that God guides the Church.

If you're from a non-Apostolic, sola-scriptura Biblical tradition, then I have no idea how you make sense of what is or isn't part of the New Testament canon. In fact, some of the early Protestant Reformers tried to change the canon to get rid of books that didn't agree with them. One of the reasons I am no longer Methodist.
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« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2014, 04:52:17 PM »

Quote from: Eel Snave on August 03, 2014, 04:55:38 PM

(Apologies for the Reddit-esque title.)

So here's the story: I've been one of Jehovah's Witnesses since I was 2. I finally just recently realized what a pile of lies it is, so I've left and am forging my own path now. It's terrifying.

Anyway, ask away. Anything you want to know about the people who knock on your door?

Yeah this is literally what I went through 12 almost 13 years ago now.
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« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2014, 10:55:04 PM »

DRAZZ! Haven't seen you in ages! You're ex-JW?
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« Reply #50 on: September 09, 2014, 02:21:15 PM »

Yeah my mom sort of forced me to participate till I was 18. I finally decided I had had enough one day after I was dis-invited to a gathering by a group of people. I had sort of known the whole JW religion thing was bullshit from the time I was fifteen or so, but as my whole support group was JW I sort of was on the fence about striking out on my own. I had no friends or support for years after that but even now as my friend and support group is limited to one, it was totally worth it.

The JW's are sort of the fascists of the Christian faith, you either buy and are 100% behind their ever shifting tangle of group-speak or you are out. I don't know if you ever got officially "baptized" or not but be prepared for the church elders to pressure your family to freeze you out entirely, or shun you, if you are baptize.. Once the "elders" realize that you are serious about the leaving thing, they will dis-fellowship you, especially if you voice issues with their belief system. If you don't want to be disfellowshipped the best thing for you to do is stop attending the meetings and just drop off the radar. This may spare your family the trouble of being pressured to shun you.

Seriously bro, you made the right decision, but be prepared to be tested.
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« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2014, 02:31:15 PM »

Oh, yeah, I've been "baptized" for 20 years, in for 30. I was born and raised and about as loyal as you could find. I bought into EVERYTHING. The shunning has already started, since no Witness has spoken with me in about two months except for elders trying to "help."

Even with the entire disintegration of my social network (not like Facebook, I mean the people I've known and loved, laughed and cried with years) and knowing full well what's coming, I still don't give a shit. I can't believe something so false and damaging anymore. My wife asked if I would ever come back, and I told her that if I ever came back she would know that I've completely and totally given up on life.
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« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2014, 02:33:44 PM »

The elders in your church may already be looking into your online profiles. They might look up your e mails, and usernames and stuff to look for things to blackmail you.
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« Reply #53 on: September 09, 2014, 02:47:45 PM »

Whatever you decide, just keep being the same cool awesome person you have always been. If anything try and get closer to your family. This will serve as the first measure of defense against people who may or may not pressure your family to shun you. Don't force your kids to not attend, let them make their own decisions Give them the option of attending or not. Give your family the option of participating in holidays or not. Just be there. Be a sounding board, but don't try and influence.

Meh. My mom celebrates her birthdays and mothers day and valentines now. Basically any holiday with a gift involved. Oh and thanksgiving cause there's food. Her secret is safe with me.
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« Reply #54 on: September 09, 2014, 02:49:24 PM »

And take some college classes, if you can. It will open up your perspective on the world
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« Reply #55 on: September 09, 2014, 07:23:00 PM »

Quote from: Drazzil on September 09, 2014, 02:21:15 PM

The JW's are sort of the fascists of the Christian faith

JWs are not Christians just as Mormons are not Christians.
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« Reply #56 on: September 09, 2014, 07:30:59 PM »

Why does it matter to you if they are or not?  And on what authority do you make that distinction?
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« Reply #57 on: September 09, 2014, 07:42:18 PM »

Quote from: ATB on September 09, 2014, 07:23:00 PM

Quote from: Drazzil on September 09, 2014, 02:21:15 PM

The JW's are sort of the fascists of the Christian faith

JWs are not Christians just as Mormons are not Christians.

Well, in the sense that they believe in Christ and put what they believe to be faith in him, they are Christians. They're an offshoot of Christianity for sure. If that's the definition of Christianity, then they are. They're just a wildly wrong sect of it that ends up being harmful, but I wouldn't go far so as to say they're not "Christian."
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« Reply #58 on: September 09, 2014, 07:51:34 PM »

There are key differences in what they espouse and what is considered kernel to Christianity.  In my opinion, these distortions separate them from being labeled as Christians.

Hope that didn't sound accusatory and I don't want to derail your thread...and I hope you pursue a non-JW Bible and read in there.

I'd recommend the life application study bible NIV.
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« Reply #59 on: September 09, 2014, 09:58:40 PM »

Quote from: ATB on September 09, 2014, 07:23:00 PM

Quote from: Drazzil on September 09, 2014, 02:21:15 PM

The JW's are sort of the fascists of the Christian faith

JWs are not Christians just as Mormons are not Christians.

Except, they are.
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« Reply #60 on: September 09, 2014, 10:37:40 PM »

Quote from: Lee on September 09, 2014, 09:58:40 PM

Quote from: ATB on September 09, 2014, 07:23:00 PM

Quote from: Drazzil on September 09, 2014, 02:21:15 PM

The JW's are sort of the fascists of the Christian faith

JWs are not Christians just as Mormons are not Christians.

Except, they are.

Pretty sure we covered most of this already.

Also pretty sure ATB and I will never agree about it.  smile
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« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2014, 12:54:43 PM »

I am going to argue that  while the JW rank and file do try to practice what they believe to be the teachings of Christ, and are for the most part good people, the doctrines that they believe in and have to follow differ from being Christ like in more then one instance. JW dogma makes them very closed minded and narrow people in a lot of ways, even more then a lot of regular Christians. But this is coming from someone who is neither Christian nor JW (any longer) so YMMV.
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« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2014, 02:51:31 PM »

And ATB, I can totally agree with you on that front. Once I was out, I realized, "Holy shit, JWs are the Pharisees!" It all makes sense: The Pharisees called people "am'haarets" or "people of the earth." Witnesses call non-JW's "worldly people". The Pharisees had people doing crazy things like washing up to the elbows. JWs have crazy restrictions on random crap.

That being said, I think there are a lot of sincere people in the rank and file who I would classify as Christians. If they weren't stuck with the crazy mind-control that the JW leadership exerts, they would be just like anyone else. I can't fault them for doing what they do, even when it comes to shunning and other more extreme parts of the belief system.
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« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2014, 03:20:19 PM »

Since this is an AMA, Eel Snave, are you going to switch your moniker to Lee Evans, as you are no longer backwards? slywink
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« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2014, 03:22:14 PM »

Quote from: Purge on September 10, 2014, 03:20:19 PM

Since this is an AMA, Eel Snave, are you going to switch your moniker to Lee Evans, as you are no longer backwards? slywink

What the heck does AMA mean anyway?
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« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2014, 03:28:24 PM »

"Ask Me Anything"
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« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2014, 03:39:46 PM »

Quote from: Isgrimnur on September 10, 2014, 03:28:24 PM

"Ask Me Anything"

What does AMA mean?  icon_twisted
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« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2014, 05:09:41 PM »

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« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2014, 09:10:57 PM »

Quote from: Purge on September 10, 2014, 03:20:19 PM

Since this is an AMA, Eel Snave, are you going to switch your moniker to Lee Evans, as you are no longer backwards? slywink

Nice! You are funny guy!

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« Reply #69 on: September 11, 2014, 02:35:33 PM »

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« Reply #70 on: September 11, 2014, 03:37:16 PM »

Quote from: Purge on September 11, 2014, 02:35:33 PM

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Nice to see you posting somewhere.  icon_wink
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