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« on: July 03, 2009, 08:00:13 PM »

Good news for Alaskans:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/03/palin-to-step-down-not-seeking-re-election/
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2009, 09:36:25 PM »

Probably good news for the republican party too. Means they won't have to deal with her bullshit in public again.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2009, 10:08:53 PM »

Actually no - the article gives the impression that she is doing this because she is setting up plans to run for president in 2012. Why this would would help her chances I can't fathom, but I don't pretend to understand politics.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2009, 11:18:59 PM »

As much as I hope this resignation would cause her to crawl back under the rock she came from, I imagine that she'll spend the next 3 years being "groomed" for the 2012 run.  Oh joy...
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2009, 12:56:17 AM »

Quote from: Fireball1244 on July 03, 2009, 08:00:13 PM



Hardly good news for any state when a Governor that the people of that state elected into office leaves office before their term is up unless there is some scandal or crime of some sort, neither of which applies here.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2009, 01:30:37 AM »

"As the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee, Palin has been considered one of the front-runners for the next GOP presidential nomination."

Man, I feel sorry for the Rep Party if Palin and Mitt are the best they can do.

Quote from: brettmcd on July 04, 2009, 12:56:17 AM

unless there is some scandal or crime of some sort, neither of which applies here.

Don't be so sure. The timing is suspicious. Friday of a holiday weekend, with a big celebrity funeral guaranteed to dominate next week's news. Looks to me like she's trying to leave as quietly as possible. Either she was blackmailed, or another shoe is going to drop.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2009, 01:42:33 AM »

Quote from: Ironrod on July 04, 2009, 01:30:37 AM

...another shoe is going to drop.

That's my guess. It makes no sense to me that she would bail out of the governor's office prior to her term expiring, as a strategy for the GOP nomination in 2012. Then again, she thinks Afghanistan is our neighboring country, so who the hell knows.

Maybe her husband has been complaining lately about not seeing her enough?

Maybe Letterman sent some, "people," to talk to her?

Eh, time will tell.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2009, 02:20:43 AM »

I can't see how this will help her in 2012 if that's what "Ms. Barracuda" is shooting for.  Walking away from your elected responsibilities isn't going to endear her to the American public - we don't like quitters.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2009, 02:23:08 AM »

Quote from: Blackadar on July 04, 2009, 02:20:43 AM

I can't see how this will help her in 2012 if that's what "Ms. Barracuda" is shooting for.  Walking away from your elected responsibilities isn't going to endear her to the American public - we don't like quitters.

Oh, but she explained that during her lunatic press conference:

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Life is too short to compromise time and resources... it may be tempting and more comfortable to just keep your head down, plod along, and appease those who demand: "Sit down and shut up", but that's the worthless, easy path; that's a quitter's way out.

Apparently only winners quit while those damn quitters don't quit.
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2009, 02:38:33 AM »

If she somehow became president it will probably be as dangerous a period as the world has seen since the Cuban missile crisis only it will last her whole term

Yes Sarah those of us who "plod" along doing our jobs instead of bailing out when the going gets tough sure are quitters......which "real" American patriot of the past quit like this....hard to imagine Teddy Roosevelt doing something like this or saying what she said?  Maybe the South to start the Civil War?
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2009, 04:13:51 AM »

Quote from: brettmcd on July 04, 2009, 12:56:17 AM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on July 03, 2009, 08:00:13 PM



Hardly good news for any state when a Governor that the people of that state elected into office leaves office before their term is up unless there is some scandal or crime of some sort, neither of which applies here.

my exact thoughts.  I think she's a coward, and failed Alaskan's citizens.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2009, 04:58:03 AM »

Quote from: brettmcd on July 04, 2009, 12:56:17 AM

Hardly good news for any state when a Governor that the people of that state elected into office leaves office before their term is up unless there is some scandal or crime of some sort, neither of which applies here.
I'd kill for Michigan's governor Granholm to leave before her term is up.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2009, 02:48:23 PM »

now only if Arnold would quit.  He is already a coward
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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2009, 03:57:28 PM »

Sounds like it is seriously going to suck to live in Cal. for a while
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2009, 07:06:19 PM »

I saw her movie...not impressed...


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« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2009, 12:29:36 AM »

Quote from: Jaddison on July 04, 2009, 02:38:33 AM

If she somehow became president it will probably be as dangerous a period as the world has seen since the Cuban missile crisis only it will last her whole term

Yes Sarah those of us who "plod" along doing our jobs instead of bailing out when the going gets tough sure are quitters......which "real" American patriot of the past quit like this....hard to imagine Teddy Roosevelt doing something like this or saying what she said?  Maybe the South to start the Civil War?

But it's all that big nasty media's fault, don't-cha-know:

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"How sad that Washington and the media will never understand; it's about country," the statement said. "And though it's honorable for countless others to leave their positions for a higher calling and without finishing a term, of course we know by now, for some reason a different standard applies for the decisions I make."

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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2009, 02:32:56 AM »

How bad does Obama have to fuck up for the American People to say "Hey, you know what? Let's give that Sarah Palin a try."
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« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2009, 03:33:35 AM »

Quote from: Purge on July 05, 2009, 02:32:56 AM

How bad does Obama have to fuck up for the American People to say "Hey, you know what? Let's give that Sarah Palin a try."


He'd have to eat a baby on live TV.
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« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2009, 03:41:03 AM »

Quote from: warning on July 05, 2009, 03:33:35 AM

Quote from: Purge on July 05, 2009, 02:32:56 AM

How bad does Obama have to fuck up for the American People to say "Hey, you know what? Let's give that Sarah Palin a try."


He'd have to eat a baby on live TV.

Or unemployment reach double digits. Same thing really.
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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2009, 07:46:49 AM »

Quote from: mori on July 05, 2009, 03:41:03 AM

Quote from: warning on July 05, 2009, 03:33:35 AM

Quote from: Purge on July 05, 2009, 02:32:56 AM

How bad does Obama have to fuck up for the American People to say "Hey, you know what? Let's give that Sarah Palin a try."


He'd have to eat a baby on live TV.

Or unemployment reach double digits. Same thing really.

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS14000000
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« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2009, 10:21:45 AM »

Forget about the Presidency, could Palin even get close to winning the nomination?  I mean, I like to think that there's a silent majority of "normal" republicans who think that Palin would be a horrible president.  People didn't want her to be vice-president last year, why would they suddenly change their minds and make her president?
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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2009, 12:32:19 PM »

Problem is that with Dubya he proved she could be.

You know the old addage: "If *I* could do it, *anyone* can!"
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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2009, 11:32:19 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on July 04, 2009, 02:23:08 AM

Apparently only winners quit while those damn quitters don't quit.

I believe this applies here:



I'm also not going to comment on this fiasco other than to say I'm amused it took Sarah Palin resigning to knock Michael Jackson's death off the front page of everything.
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« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2009, 01:30:14 AM »

Quote from: whiteboyskim on July 05, 2009, 11:32:19 PM

I'm also not going to comment on this fiasco other than to say I'm amused it took Sarah Palin resigning to knock Michael Jackson's death off the front page of everything.

see?  she did do some good.
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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2009, 02:33:06 AM »

Quote from: Purge on July 05, 2009, 02:32:56 AM

How bad does Obama have to fuck up for the American People to say "Hey, you know what? Let's give that Sarah Palin a try."


She and a 73 year old man with serious health issues garnered what, 48% of the popular vote? Not sure I'd put anything past the same American public that re-elected George W Bush.

Thing is, I think the Republican party is changing, and for the better. I think we're about to see (dear god, I hope) the shedding of the extreme religious right from the party, and hopefully they'll burn down FOX News too. They need to gather their wits and come towards the middle a bit. They are seriously out of balance, and it's not working.

When you put Sarah Palin in a position to be in the #2 power seat in the world, and your spokespeople are Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter, you've got serious fucking issues.
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« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2009, 03:59:34 AM »

Quote from: Jeff on July 06, 2009, 02:33:06 AM

Thing is, I think the Republican party is changing, and for the better. I think we're about to see (dear god, I hope) the shedding of the extreme religious right from the party, and hopefully they'll burn down FOX News too. They need to gather their wits and come towards the middle a bit. They are seriously out of balance, and it's not working.

Spoken as though the Democrats are the model for moderation and restraint.
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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2009, 05:25:09 AM »

Your electoral system is a little two-sided. I think you need more.
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« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2009, 05:46:15 AM »

Quote from: whiteboyskim on July 06, 2009, 03:59:34 AM

Quote from: Jeff on July 06, 2009, 02:33:06 AM

Thing is, I think the Republican party is changing, and for the better. I think we're about to see (dear god, I hope) the shedding of the extreme religious right from the party, and hopefully they'll burn down FOX News too. They need to gather their wits and come towards the middle a bit. They are seriously out of balance, and it's not working.

Spoken as though the Democrats are the model for moderation and restraint.

Just looking at the Congressional delegations, there are a lot more moderate Democrats than there are moderate Republicans, and many of the moderate Democrats are in leadership positions. Is there a single moderate Republican in a position of leadership on the minority side?
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« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2009, 11:03:58 AM »

Quote from: Fireball1244 on July 06, 2009, 05:46:15 AM

Quote from: whiteboyskim on July 06, 2009, 03:59:34 AM

Quote from: Jeff on July 06, 2009, 02:33:06 AM

Thing is, I think the Republican party is changing, and for the better. I think we're about to see (dear god, I hope) the shedding of the extreme religious right from the party, and hopefully they'll burn down FOX News too. They need to gather their wits and come towards the middle a bit. They are seriously out of balance, and it's not working.

Spoken as though the Democrats are the model for moderation and restraint.

Just looking at the Congressional delegations, there are a lot more moderate Democrats than there are moderate Republicans, and many of the moderate Democrats are in leadership positions. Is there a single moderate Republican in a position of leadership on the minority side?

Really?  People like Pilosi and Reid are moderates?!?!?  Looking at the wikipedia pages for both the house majority leader and majority whip of the house also show them to be quite liberal.   Same with both Durbin and Boxer, the 2 people next in leadership after Reid.   You must have a far far different definition of that word then the rest of us do, because I dont see any of them in the leadership positions you claim they are. 

Im not sure why you would want to claim the leadership of a very liberal party would somehow magically be moderates, it just doesnt make any sense.
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« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2009, 01:15:21 PM »

What does liberal and conservative mean anymore?  Does it mean anything other than "not us" anymore?  Our party system more resembles the Dr. Seuss story about the Sneetchs than it does about having a coherent philosophy on governing the country

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« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2009, 01:57:44 PM »

Quote from: Jaddison on July 06, 2009, 01:15:21 PM

What does liberal and conservative mean anymore?  Does it mean anything other than "not us" anymore?  Our party system more resembles the Dr. Seuss story about the Sneetchs than it does about having a coherent philosophy on governing the country

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« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2009, 02:29:47 PM »

The democrats are a moderate party, the republicans a right party, with nothing on the left in the US besides the Green Party and various socialist parties that nobody even knows about.
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« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2009, 02:38:10 PM »

Quote from: brettmcd on July 06, 2009, 11:03:58 AM

Really?  People like Pilosi and Reid are moderates?!?!?  Looking at the wikipedia pages for both the house majority leader and majority whip of the house also show them to be quite liberal.   Same with both Durbin and Boxer, the 2 people next in leadership after Reid.   You must have a far far different definition of that word then the rest of us do, because I dont see any of them in the leadership positions you claim they are. 

Im not sure why you would want to claim the leadership of a very liberal party would somehow magically be moderates, it just doesnt make any sense.

Yes, the top caucus people are very liberal -- but jo more liberal than the top GOP caucus are conservative. But look at the committee chairs and leadership outside the caucus. In the Senate folks like Sen. Baucus hold very poweful chairmanships, and folks like Sen. Bayh leas very influential groups within the caucus. Where are the counterpoints on the GOP side? There really aren't any.

And when taken as a whole, the Democratic Congressional delegation is much more ideologically diverse than the GOP caucus. More diverse ethnically, gender-wise and geographically, as well.
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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2009, 02:50:33 PM »

Quote from: Fireball1244 on July 06, 2009, 02:38:10 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on July 06, 2009, 11:03:58 AM

Really?  People like Pilosi and Reid are moderates?!?!?  Looking at the wikipedia pages for both the house majority leader and majority whip of the house also show them to be quite liberal.   Same with both Durbin and Boxer, the 2 people next in leadership after Reid.   You must have a far far different definition of that word then the rest of us do, because I dont see any of them in the leadership positions you claim they are. 

Im not sure why you would want to claim the leadership of a very liberal party would somehow magically be moderates, it just doesnt make any sense.

Yes, the top caucus people are very liberal -- but jo more liberal than the top GOP caucus are conservative. But look at the committee chairs and leadership outside the caucus. In the Senate folks like Sen. Baucus hold very poweful chairmanships, and folks like Sen. Bayh leas very influential groups within the caucus. Where are the counterpoints on the GOP side? There really aren't any.

And when taken as a whole, the Democratic Congressional delegation is much more ideologically diverse than the GOP caucus. More diverse ethnically, gender-wise and geographically, as well.

I havent looked into everyone in the congress, but this is a far different statement then the first one you made, and may or may not be true.   

There are a number of liberal republican senators though, I dont know as much about house members to make the same statement about the house.

And to the person who claimed the democrats arent a liberal party, thank you for one of the most laughable statements ive read in many months on here.
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« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2009, 03:04:55 PM »

The Democrats are just as disorganized and myopic as the Republicans.  I don't see coherence or a sense of interest in governance over partisan politics in either party.  Obama talks the talk but as for walking the walk, to me, that has been a bit of a disappointment.  Then again he is less than a year in office and perhaps the nasty party warfare that started all the way back in the beginning of parties makes it impossible to move past.
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« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2009, 03:11:46 PM »

Quote from: brettmcd on July 06, 2009, 02:50:33 PM

And to the person who claimed the democrats arent a liberal party, thank you for one of the most laughable statements ive read in many months on here.

Uh...they aren't.  A far left party would be a socialist/green/libertarian party (see below) and for all of your rhetoric, the Democratic platform doesn't come close to that.  A good part of that is that the country shifted right the election of Reagan in 1980 and continued right with the influence of the fundamentalist Christians, who did a masterful job of framing policy discussions in the late 80s and 90s.  Any disagreement was painted as being against God, family values or unpatriotic.  It was extremely effective and pulled the Democrats right in the 90s and even today.  While we may be seeing that pendulum starting to return to the center, it hasn't gotten there yet.

Of course, it also depends on your definition of liberalism.  The more classic definition of liberal means a libertarian - free market, free enterprise and anti-regulations with a decided anti-socialism bent.  By that your own definition of being a libertarian, you'd be classified as a liberal in that sense.  This changed in the 1950s with McCarthyism decrying liberals as communists.  As such, the meaning has somewhat shifted in modern politics towards a Roosevelt-type libertarianism, with a more socialist system and government involvement.  Bernie Sanders from Vermont may be the best modern example of this type of liberal.  Either way, neither party approaches either definition of a classic liberal party.  We're still a pretty right-wing (as defined today), conservative country, regardless of the party in power.
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« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2009, 03:53:42 PM »

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Quote from: Fireball1244 on July 06, 2009, 02:38:10 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on July 06, 2009, 11:03:58 AM

Really?  People like Pilosi and Reid are moderates?!?!?  Looking at the wikipedia pages for both the house majority leader and majority whip of the house also show them to be quite liberal.   Same with both Durbin and Boxer, the 2 people next in leadership after Reid.   You must have a far far different definition of that word then the rest of us do, because I dont see any of them in the leadership positions you claim they are. 

Im not sure why you would want to claim the leadership of a very liberal party would somehow magically be moderates, it just doesnt make any sense.

Yes, the top caucus people are very liberal -- but jo more liberal than the top GOP caucus are conservative. But look at the committee chairs and leadership outside the caucus. In the Senate folks like Sen. Baucus hold very poweful chairmanships, and folks like Sen. Bayh leas very influential groups within the caucus. Where are the counterpoints on the GOP side? There really aren't any.

And when taken as a whole, the Democratic Congressional delegation is much more ideologically diverse than the GOP caucus. More diverse ethnically, gender-wise and geographically, as well.

I havent looked into everyone in the congress, but this is a far different statement then the first one you made, and may or may not be true.   

Not it's not. My original statement:

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Just looking at the Congressional delegations, there are a lot more moderate Democrats than there are moderate Republicans,

How can this be taken as anything other than "everyone in Congress"?

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and many of the moderate Democrats are in leadership positions.

And perhaps I should have specified, but a chairmanship is considered a leadership position. As is a ranking minority member position.

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Is there a single moderate Republican in a position of leadership on the minority side?

This question obviously flows form the second clause of my first sentence.

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There are a number of liberal republican senators though, I dont know as much about house members to make the same statement about the house.

Outside of Maine, no "liberal" Republican senators spring to mind. And even Collins and Snowe aren't liberals -- they're pretty much down the line moderates. The last true Republican liberal in the Senate was Lincoln Chafee. Most of the noteworthy moderate Republicans in the House have gone down to defeat by Democrats in recent years -- Jim Leech of Iowa, Chris Shays of Connecticut, etc.

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And to the person who claimed the democrats arent a liberal party, thank you for one of the most laughable statements ive read in many months on here.

On a global political spectrum, the Democratic Party of the United States would be a very slightly left of center party, and the Republican Party of the United States would be, in most respects, a mainstream conservative party, except for the religious fanaticism, which most of the industrial world has been fortunate enough to avoid in their political parties. That's what the other poster was saying, and their statement is factually accurate.

It should also be pointed out that today's Democratic Party is not as liberal as it has been at many times in the last 30 or so years. In the 1970s or 80s, you never would have seen a pro-life Senator leading the Democratic Party's Senate delegation, President Carter would never have signed the welfare reform law signed by President Clinton, and the party's position on handguns, in terms of solid legislative goals, has changed markedly in the last decade. Similarly, the Republican Party of today is far more conservative in many ways than the GOP of the 1970s or 1980s.
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« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2009, 06:01:19 PM »

Quote from: mori on July 05, 2009, 03:41:03 AM

Quote from: warning on July 05, 2009, 03:33:35 AM

Quote from: Purge on July 05, 2009, 02:32:56 AM

How bad does Obama have to fuck up for the American People to say "Hey, you know what? Let's give that Sarah Palin a try."


He'd have to eat a baby on live TV.

Or unemployment reach double digits. Same thing really.

That might be the case if the Republican party was pushing out ideas on how to stem the job loss and right the economy.  They aren't. 

A major element of the Obama administration's plan so far has been to use tax payer money to prop up giant, ailing American companies like General Motors and AIG to give them a chance to restructure and enter a controlled downsizing rather than a precipitous collapse.  They've also been looking at ways to use tax payer money to relieve the burden of "toxic assets" like over-valued mortgages from major banking institutions, restructuring existing loans with payment plans people can afford while freeing up credit for new ones.  We could easily spend the next several pages of this thread deconstructing all the problems with how this strategy has been executed, but one upshot is that millions of workers in the automotive and financial services industries are still employed.

By contrast, the Republican proposal was not to have a stimulus package at all and to watch those companies go out of business.  The idea is to let the Free Market work its mojo.  You think the economic contraction we're seeing now is bad?  Try tacking on the loss of a quarter million automotive manufacturing jobs, followed by jobs at part suppliers, shipping companies, and dealerships, followed by jobs in every other sector where unemployed consumers cannot afford to consume.  In short, Conservatives aren't looking for ways to slow unemployment...they're accepting a massive economic depression as a foregone conclusion and are advising us how to accelerate the process.

Before the Republican party can hope to rebrand itself as a superior alternative to the Democrats, they really need to come up with a better plan than boasting how they could make a negative economic indicator that much worse.

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Thing is, I think the Republican party is changing, and for the better. I think we're about to see (dear god, I hope) the shedding of the extreme religious right from the party, and hopefully they'll burn down FOX News too. They need to gather their wits and come towards the middle a bit. They are seriously out of balance, and it's not working.


I'd like to see the Republican party reform itself too, but if the last six months are any indication, they've actually been going in the opposite direction.  Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal used his nationally televised rebuttal to President Obama's not-State of the Union Address to make up stories about conversations he had with local sheriffs and mock Alaskan volcano monitoring just a month before Mount Redoubt erupted.  Minnesota congresswoman Michelle Bachman talks to anyone with a microphone about FEMA-run reeducation camps and how filling out the national census will let them round you up.  Texas Governor Rick Perry was publicly fantasizing about secession just days before asking the federal government for help with the swine flu.

Since January, Republican Representative Phil Gingrey, Governor Mark Sanford, and RNC Chairman Michael Steele have all been forced to issue public apologies to talk show host Rush Limbaugh when they dared question the value of his rhetoric.  Sean Hannity tells his audience that all the "fruits of American labor" are falling into the "collective crate of socialism" while Glenn Beck runs video of advancing Nazis during a commentary on how Obama's policies are marching the country towards fascism.  Conservative media outlets are happily continue to perpetuate myths about imminent plans to ban all firearms.

I am honestly dumbfounded at the state of the conservative movement in this country.  Their actual everyday behavior is so alarmist, so shrill, so bizarre, it's coming off like a bitterly venomous parody written by Michael Moore in 2003.  The more scandals that hit them, the worse it seems to get.

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« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2009, 06:19:22 PM »

If the Republicans every day behavior is so "alarmist", what kind of reaction does the Waxman-Markey bill get out of you?
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« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2009, 08:59:43 PM »

Quote from: pr0ner on July 06, 2009, 06:19:22 PM

If the Republicans every day behavior is so "alarmist", what kind of reaction does the Waxman-Markey bill get out of you?

Is that you, Michelle Bachman?

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