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« on: August 08, 2008, 04:35:08 PM »

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.ossetia/index.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/georgia-russia-has-invaded-and-we-are-under-attack-13934899.html?a=13934899

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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2008, 07:52:30 PM »

Can't they all just get along?
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2008, 08:16:48 PM »

What's interesting about this is that involves the same area that was featured in the 1st Ghost Recon game. This is not good news at all, as Ossetia is a real political hotbed involving Russian, Georgian, NATO and fundamentalist islamic interests.
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2008, 10:12:07 PM »

They also talked about Georgia in the first Splinter Cell game.  I guess this means we're all going to have to suffer though ANOTHER godawful Tom Clancy novel! Damn you all to hell!!
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2008, 11:03:46 PM »

Quote from: Canuck on August 08, 2008, 10:12:07 PM

They also talked about Georgia in the first Splinter Cell game.  I guess this means we're all going to have to suffer though ANOTHER godawful Tom Clancy novel! Damn you all to hell!!

I should have said flashpoint instead of hotspot, because a number of military analysts have stated that an Ossetia conflict could blow-up in a big way. With the weapons that Russia and the very pro-USA-Georgia have in their arsenals, I'd personally be more worried about having the possibility to even read another Clancy novel. Hopefully this will be resolved quickly.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2008, 07:00:49 AM »

Quote from: kronovan on August 08, 2008, 11:03:46 PM

Quote from: Canuck on August 08, 2008, 10:12:07 PM

They also talked about Georgia in the first Splinter Cell game.  I guess this means we're all going to have to suffer though ANOTHER godawful Tom Clancy novel! Damn you all to hell!!

I should have said flashpoint instead of hotspot, because a number of military analysts have stated that an Ossetia conflict could blow-up in a big way. With the weapons that Russia and the very pro-USA-Georgia have in their arsenals, I'd personally be more worried about having the possibility to even read another Clancy novel. Hopefully this will be resolved quickly.
All I know of the situation is that the US has Georgian troops fighting in Iraq and owes them something. And Russia has been pissed at the US over Ukraine and Kosovo, and things aren't gonna get better in this war if it isn't resolved ASAP. The US and Russia may have "resolved" the Cold War, but that doesn't make them friends in any respect. I could see this getting a little ugly, with a real war (not a war against a totally unprepared and overwhelmed enemy) ensuing without some strong diplomatic wrangling. And without motherfucking preconditions, which are the point of negotiations in the first place.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2008, 07:35:58 AM »

I don't think the US will intervene, at least as long as the Russians don't do anything stupid like try and occupy all of Georgia.  They appear to only have limited objectives, mainly taking control of the South Ossetia region.  That doesn't mean they won't launch airstrikes elsewhere to keep Georgia from fully responding, however. 

We don't have an alliance with Georgia so we don't "owe" them anything.  And it's not like the Georgians are innocent in the events leading up the Russian intervention in South Ossetia.

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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2008, 01:54:38 AM »

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I don't think the US will intervene, at least as long as the Russians don't do anything stupid like try and occupy all of Georgia.  They appear to only have limited objectives, mainly taking control of the South Ossetia region.  That doesn't mean they won't launch airstrikes elsewhere to keep Georgia from fully responding, however. 

We don't have an alliance with Georgia so we don't "owe" them anything.  And it's not like the Georgians are innocent in the events leading up the Russian intervention in South Ossetia.

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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2008, 07:03:28 AM »

It's not our job to intervene anyway. Gets old real fast how we are somehow supposed to be the world's police force every time some conflict breaks out.
Two countries go to war? Hell, America will put it's troops in the MIDDLE of it! No problem! Our troops don't mean anything anyway.. so long as the war monger who sends them off doesn't have to send any of his kids out to fight.

I don't agree with Russia's aggression on Georgia, but in the end it's none of my business. It's not like it somehow effects our national security. We're already fighting two wars with countries that were still in the stone age of military technology. Would we really risk going into another unneccessary war with a country that never in anyway threatened us, but who could in the end, do a lot of damage?

We're going to need more "its not our job to police the world" Ron Pauls in congress out there.. and less war mongers like Bush and McCain, should things get any worse between Russia and Georgia.
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2008, 04:37:29 PM »

The more I read about this conflict, the more is seems like Georgia is more wrong than Russia in the situation. Georgia killed about 10 Russian soldiers when it attack Southern Ossettia, as well as a huge amount of civilians.
Mikhail Gorbachev writes a good breakdown of the situation.
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2008, 05:52:23 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo X on August 17, 2008, 04:37:29 PM

The more I read about this conflict, the more is seems like Georgia is more wrong than Russia in the situation. Georgia killed about 10 Russian soldiers when it attack Southern Ossettia, as well as a huge amount of civilians.
Mikhail Gorbachev writes a good breakdown of the situation.

I don't think we'll ever get the honest story about who did what over there.  Each side is going to spin it so they look like a victim, and from what I understand we didn't even have any eyes in the sky looking over what was happening until later.
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2008, 06:36:27 PM »

There's a lot we can and will know, though. This conflict didn't just spring out of nowhere. It pretty much started in 2003, or before, when the US helped (or at least some people in the US) overthrow the corrupt, pro-Russian government. Russia took that as an attack, from what I gather.
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2008, 07:16:30 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo X on August 17, 2008, 06:36:27 PM

There's a lot we can and will know, though. This conflict didn't just spring out of nowhere. It pretty much started in 2003, or before, when the US helped (or at least some people in the US) overthrow the corrupt, pro-Russian government. Russia took that as an attack, from what I gather.

It goes back a lot farther than 2003.  At the very least, you should start back in early '90s when the regions in dispute became autonomous from the Georgian government under an international agreement.

That said, I also think the truth of actual civillian deaths and actual incidents of ethnic violence.  There seem to be plenty of witnesses on both sides but also a lack of bodies on both sides.  Bodies have already been moved so it's not like the media is going to wander into an untouched environment and find "proof."

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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2008, 05:34:07 AM »

I thought we bought Russia after the fall of the Berlin  Wall?
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2008, 06:26:02 AM »

Quote from: Daehawk on August 18, 2008, 05:34:07 AM

I thought we bought Russia after the fall of the Berlin  Wall?

We did, but we sold it to T. Boone Pickens, who sold it to Putin to finance the "Swift Boat" campaign against Kerry.  See, Yeltsin was a CIA controlled puppet and the various Russian oligarchs that took over the major industries were really just fronts for big international oil cartels.  When Clinton told the CIA to get out of the "controlling other governments" business, the CIA traded Russia to Pickens in return for more black helicopters based on crashed UFO technology.  I think Brent Spiner was involved in that part somehow, along with Steven Spielberg.  It's all pretty obvious if you compare the layout of Nashville to ancient Templar beliefs.

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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2008, 11:27:13 PM »

Quote from: Sarkus on August 17, 2008, 07:16:30 PM

Quote from: Eduardo X on August 17, 2008, 06:36:27 PM

There's a lot we can and will know, though. This conflict didn't just spring out of nowhere. It pretty much started in 2003, or before, when the US helped (or at least some people in the US) overthrow the corrupt, pro-Russian government. Russia took that as an attack, from what I gather.

It goes back a lot farther than 2003.  At the very least, you should start back in early '90s when the regions in dispute became autonomous from the Georgian government under an international agreement.

Actually...the current situation goes back to the early 90's when the Ossetians formally declared their independence. However, tension between the Georgians and Ossetians goes back to about the 16th century. Good luck to anyone who thinks a historical problem like this is going to be resolved quickly yet alone in our lifetime.
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2008, 01:24:53 AM »

so now it's our fault.   I LOL'd.
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