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« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2008, 02:56:49 AM »

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Its just an obvious scare tactic with no real meaning,

You believe that? You seriously, with thoughtful reflection, came to that conclusion?



Yes.

Of course you did.

Brett, let me ask you this ... do you believe Sarah Palin was the best choice John McCain could've made for VP of the United States?


No I do not, for that matter I dont think any of the 4 people currently running are the best choices for office.   I wont be voting for either of the major party tickets.   McCains pick was a desparation move, which for a while did energize his base which is what he needed to do, so politically it was a brilliant move, but again no i dont think she is the best choice he could have made.

Now you can take this answer as the truth, or the imagined fiction of the idiot who continues to think he knows more about my answers and what I am thinking then I do.
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« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2008, 12:57:47 PM »

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Is it the phrase itself that's really bothering you, YK, or something else? I'm guessing you'd like to see the focus taken off of Palin. I won't do that, personally. I think it says a lot about McCain's judgment that he chose her.

No, it has nothing to do with Palin. Most of my political posting as of late has been over at OO, and if you read my posts over there you'd understand why it has absolutely nothing to do with her.
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« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2008, 02:04:02 PM »

Quote from: YellowKing on September 28, 2008, 12:57:47 PM

...if you read my posts over there you'd understand why...

I just had to quote that.  icon_smile
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« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2008, 09:35:12 PM »

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Is it the phrase itself that's really bothering you, YK, or something else? I'm guessing you'd like to see the focus taken off of Palin. I won't do that, personally. I think it says a lot about McCain's judgment that he chose her.

No, it has nothing to do with Palin. Most of my political posting as of late has been over at OO, and if you read my posts over there you'd understand why it has absolutely nothing to do with her.

Ok fair enough.

Back on the topic of useless coming out of Sarah Palin, here's a great new SNL skit with Tina Fey as Palin.

Palin & Couric, SNL style
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« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2008, 11:32:37 PM »

A scathing new editorial from Newsweek on Palin

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Can we now admit the obvious? Sarah Palin is utterly unqualified to be vice president.... In these times, for John McCain to have chosen this person to be his running mate is fundamentally irresponsible. McCain says that he always puts country first. In this important case, it is simply not true. Bring on the next debate...." - Newsweek's Fareed Zakaria

and Palin's quote that will probably go down in U.S. political history as one of the dumbest things ever spoken by a major candidate:

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"It's very important when you consider even national-security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America. Where—where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to—to our state." - Sarah Palin
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« Reply #45 on: September 28, 2008, 11:42:03 PM »

The Palin skit was amusing. But the Bill Clinton skit avoiding support of Obama was laugh out loud funny. thumbsup
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« Reply #46 on: September 29, 2008, 01:06:01 PM »

Quote from: VynlSol on September 28, 2008, 02:04:02 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on September 28, 2008, 12:57:47 PM

...if you read my posts over there you'd understand why...

I just had to quote that.  icon_smile
Yeah, that's pretty god damned absurd. But if anyone had bothered to read my mind they'd have understood why.
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« Reply #47 on: September 29, 2008, 03:11:27 PM »

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Yeah, that's pretty god damned absurd. But if anyone had bothered to read my mind they'd have understood why.

I think you guys misread my intent with that post. I was using "read" present tense, not "read" past tense. If you go and read my posts at OO, you'd understand why. It wasn't meant to be sarcastic or smarmy - I was just in a hurry and didn't have time to explain myself in further detail.

Since it's an issue, the reason I was referring to is that over at OO in the Palin thread I came out and denounced her, because I couldn't take any more of her absurdities. So I'm not trying to take focus off Palin, because I myself do not like Palin, and am heavily leaning towards voting Obama.

The bulk of my political posting has been over at OO, since it has a slightly more active forum, and I've gone into a lot greater detail about my current stances on things over there. If you just read this forum, you likely have an outdated view of my current mindset.
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« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2008, 03:22:55 PM »

Quote from: Jeff Jones on September 25, 2008, 08:19:17 PM

Palin receives prayer for protection from .... witchcraft?

MSNBC on same subject: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26880901/

Palin's own adviser warns her firing of brother in law raises grave concern

Palin = Pentacostal nutjob

More religious extremism

It's very evident the GOP is keeping this Young Earth Creationist holy-roller nut under tight wraps. Since being nominated she's been out-interviewed by Biden something like 30 to 1 ratio. They are clearly trying to suppress her extreme inexperience. (Biden has been a US Senator since '72, and is head of the Senate Foreign Relations committee. Palin got her passport for the first time 2 years ago). They are clearly trying to subvert the debates (Biden would annihilate and embarrass her). They are clearly trying to postpone and delay the Alaskan investigations into her unlawful firing of her sister's ex.

It really just drop-jaw amazes me that people think that this woman is ready to lead the U.S. Like Brendan said, one heartbeat away from taking the reins to the most powerful military on earth.



Great post Jeff, great post! 100% agree!
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« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2008, 04:16:00 PM »

It will be interesting to see if she's been Quayled - is her intellect forever tainted by her missteps so far?  In just the last couple of days, McCain walked back a very clear and unambiguous statement Palin made to a voter (blaming it on "gotcha journalism" despite the fact no journalist was involved in the exchange), numerous conservative opinion writers have suggested she should drop out of the campaign, and now the NYT and WSJ are reporting that the debate prep is going very poorly.  Oh, and apparently CBS has even more disastrous footage that they'll show in the next couple of days, including one where she's unable to name a single Supreme Court decision other than Roe.

Her handlers have been trying to lower expectations, of course, but I don't see how she can rehabilitate her image at this point.  Whether or not she has much native intelligence (and clearly she's been skilled at operating in Alaskan politics), she seems to have no aptitude or background for national political issues.  She's got two tricks:  staunch evangelical values issues, and "energy policy", though the latter claim is particularly dubious given that she appears to leave the creation of actual policy proposals to advisors and lobbyists.  That doesn't make one a national candidate.

She actually reminds me of a latter day Ellen Craswell, who was the social conservative nominated by the Republicans in the 1996 Washington gubenatorial race.  Craswell was actually better versed in the issues than Palin is, but was unable (and unwilling) to hide her more lunatic views vowing only to hire "Godly people", announced at her post-primary press conference that "sodomites" had a life expectancy 35 years shorter than straight people, and endorsed the cessation of all federal and state funding of education.  Palin's certainly more politically savvy in that she confines her extreme religious talk to church grounds.

I guess we'll see whether she ends up as a punchline, or whether the rest of us do.

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I just caught CBS news tonight.  Couric asks about a number of social issues, but also throws in a particularly daunting line of questioning which went something like:

"What newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before all of this campaigning began?"
"I've read most of them."
"What ones specifically?"
"All of 'em, any of 'em."
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« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2008, 11:08:58 PM »

I wonder what her "best" (gay) friend who made a choice thinks about their friendship now.
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« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2008, 11:32:47 PM »

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"What newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before all of this campaigning began?"
"I've read most of them."
"What ones specifically?"
"All of 'em, any of 'em."

Not only is she an idiot, she's defensive too. After the exchange above she tried to say that Couric was implying that Alaska is sheltered and that they get all the same magazines and papers the rest of us do.

And who the f*** is she to be making Biden is old jokes? She really is completely clueless.
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« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2008, 12:40:15 AM »

Quote from: Lee on September 30, 2008, 11:32:47 PM

After the exchange above she tried to say that Couric was implying that Alaska is sheltered and that they get all the same magazines and papers the rest of us do.

Yeah, that was really weird and telegraphs a level of defensiveness that, while unsurprising given how badly she's performed so far, was a little off-putting.  As Couric asked the question, I thought "Oh, she wants to know how Palin forms her opinions," while Palin apparently heard "What kind of crappy papers do you have up there on the frontier?"

Also, she did confirm that she wants the victims of rape to be forced to carry the rapist's baby to term.  She equivocated on RU-486, saying she wouldn't choose to use "that kind" of contraception, though she said she was in favor of "preventative measures that are legal and safe."  I guess the fact that abortions are both legal and safe doesn't create a contradiction in her mind.

In her favor, she said she was for teaching science in science class.

Oh, and as Lee notes, she apparently believes sexual orientation is a choice.  I wonder if she's asked her "best friend" why she chose it?
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« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2008, 01:42:40 AM »

Quote from: Brendan on September 30, 2008, 04:16:00 PM

It will be interesting to see if she's been Quayled - is her intellect forever tainted by her missteps so far?  In just the last couple of days, McCain walked back a very clear and unambiguous statement Palin made to a voter (blaming it on "gotcha journalism" despite the fact no journalist was involved in the exchange)


I saw that piece. Couric corrected McCain and said "no, it wasn't gotcha journalism, it was a student asking a relevant question'. They of course ignored her, and kept on with the 'gotcha journalism' bullshit.

Why they're letting her speak at all at this point, to Couric no less, is beyond me.

I mean it when I say this was the dumbest VP choice I've witnessed in my lifetime. My brother called me and said his theory was that McCain really didn't want to win, and bringing in Palin was the way he was going to go about losing it.

The polls are rolling over fast in Obama's favor, he's up 8 or 9 points now.

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« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2008, 04:12:31 AM »

Quote from: Brendan on October 01, 2008, 12:40:15 AM

Quote from: Lee on September 30, 2008, 11:32:47 PM

After the exchange above she tried to say that Couric was implying that Alaska is sheltered and that they get all the same magazines and papers the rest of us do.

Yeah, that was really weird and telegraphs a level of defensiveness that, while unsurprising given how badly she's performed so far, was a little off-putting.  As Couric asked the question, I thought "Oh, she wants to know how Palin forms her opinions," while Palin apparently heard "What kind of crappy papers do you have up there on the frontier?"

Also, she did confirm that she wants the victims of rape to be forced to carry the rapist's baby to term.  She equivocated on RU-486, saying she wouldn't choose to use "that kind" of contraception, though she said she was in favor of "preventative measures that are legal and safe."  I guess the fact that abortions are both legal and safe doesn't create a contradiction in her mind.

In her favor, she said she was for teaching science in science class.

Oh, and as Lee notes, she apparently believes sexual orientation is a choice.  I wonder if she's asked her "best friend" why she chose it?

Just wanted to call bs on one thing here you said, there is absolutely N contradiction between supporting preventative birth control, and being against abortion, thats the position I have, and that many many people who are anti abortion also have.    Im not sure how anyone logically can think there would be.
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« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2008, 11:56:03 AM »

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Just wanted to call bs on one thing here you said, there is absolutely N contradiction between supporting preventative birth control, and being against abortion, thats the position I have, and that many many people who are anti abortion also have.    Im not sure how anyone logically can think there would be.

Well, brett, you should read the interview.  She opines that life begins at conception and refuses to come out against the morning after pill despite persistent questioning from Couric.  To people with Palin's worldview, the morning after pill is treated as equivalent to an abortion, as both take effect after conception. 

Now, it's likely that she's just hiding her opposition to the pill in order to appear less crazy to the rest of the country, but it muddles her message when she is explicitly asked about the morning after pill, and responds by saying she supports "preventative measures" that are "safe and legal."  Would she ban it?  If not, how is that different than a first trimester abortion if "life starts at the moment of conception"?

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Couric: If a 15-year-old is raped by her father, do you believe it should be illegal for her to get an abortion, and why?

Palin: I am pro-life. And I'm unapologetic in my position that I am pro-life. And I understand there are good people on both sides of the abortion debate. In fact, good people in my own family have differing views on abortion, and when it should be allowed. Do I respect people's opinions on this. Now, I would counsel to choose life. I would also like to see a culture of life in this country. But I would also like to take it one step further. Not just saying I am pro-life and I want fewer and fewer abortions in this country, but I want them, those women who find themselves in circumstances that are absolutely less than ideal, for them to be supported, and adoptions made easier.

Couric: But ideally, you think it should be illegal for a girl who was raped or the victim of incest to get an abortion?

Palin: I'm saying that, personally, I would counsel the person to choose life, despite horrific, horrific circumstances that this person would find themselves in. And, um, if you're asking, though, kind of foundationally here, should anyone end up in jail for having an … abortion, absolutely not. That's nothing I would ever support.

Couric: Some people have credited the morning-after pill for decreasing the number of abortions. How do you feel about the morning-after pill?

Palin: Well, I am all for contraception. And I am all for preventative measures that are legal and save, and should be taken, but Katie, again, I am one to believe that life starts at the moment of conception. And I would like to see …

Couric: And so you don't believe in the morning-after pill?

Palin: ... I would like to see fewer and fewer abortions in this world. And again, I haven't spoken with anyone who disagrees with my position on that.

Couric: I'm sorry, I just want to ask you again. Do you not support or do you condone or condemn the morning-after pill.

Palin: Personally, and this isn't McCain-Palin policy …

Couric: No, that's OK, I'm just asking you.

Palin: But personally, I would not choose to participate in that kind of contraception.

Oh, I gave her too much credit about teaching science - she favors teaching creationism as well.
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« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2008, 12:57:47 PM »

I was wrong when I said the number of interviews given were Biden 100, Palin 3. The correct answer is Biden 100, Palin 0. An interview requires that the interviewee give answers to questions. Palin isn't answering questions. All she does is parrot catch-phrases and dodge.
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« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2008, 01:05:03 PM »

I find it hilarious that we have probably the biggest financial crisis in our lifetime going on and there's only a tiny little thread with hardly any comments about it, and yet you bring up Palin and people post like it's an Apple vs. PC debate, lol.
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« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2008, 01:20:37 PM »

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I was wrong when I said the number of interviews given were Biden 100, Palin 3. The correct answer is Biden 100, Palin 0. An interview requires that the interviewee give answers to questions. Palin isn't answering questions. All she does is parrot catch-phrases and dodge.

It's certainly telling - her handlers still don't have any confidence in her; her schedule's been much lighter than other VP candidates.

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Large chunks of time in Palin’s public schedules have gone mostly unaccounted for since John McCain selected her to be his running mate late last month.

Since then, Palin, the governor of Alaska, has held a grand total of 17 events that were open to the general public, and many of those were joint appearances in which she stumped at McCain’s side. In fact, she’s only done five rallies by herself.

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By contrast, Biden, a Delaware senator, has held more than 40 events open to the general public, and only eight of them have been with his running mate, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. It must be noted that Biden has been a vice presidential candidate for one week longer than Palin has.

Every time she's on her own, she seems to end up saying something that contradicts a central theme of the McCain campaign.
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« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2008, 02:28:46 PM »

Quote from: cheeba on October 01, 2008, 01:05:03 PM

I find it hilarious that we have probably the biggest financial crisis in our lifetime going on and there's only a tiny little thread with hardly any comments about it, and yet you bring up Palin and people post like it's an Apple vs. PC debate, lol.

To be fair, I'm not sure which is scarier:  the financial crisis, or the fact that this batshit insane, completely inept twit could end up as second-in-command.
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« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2008, 02:36:00 PM »

Quote from: Gratch on October 01, 2008, 02:28:46 PM

To be fair, I'm not sure which is scarier:  the financial crisis, or the fact that this batshit insane, completely inept twit could end up as second-in-command.

Or the ultimate nightmare scenario:  the twit becomes president after McCain dies and we get to see her handle the financial crisis.  If their ticket wins in November, I'll be toasting McCain's health nightly.  "And please, if there is a God, make John McCain live FOREVER."
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« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2008, 02:44:37 PM »

Quote from: cheeba on October 01, 2008, 01:05:03 PM

I find it hilarious that we have probably the biggest financial crisis in our lifetime going on and there's only a tiny little thread with hardly any comments about it, and yet you bring up Palin and people post like it's an Apple vs. PC debate, lol.

This is the equivalent of saying "don't look at this dog-poo pile, look at the bigger one we made over there".   Tongue
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« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2008, 03:29:20 PM »

Quote from: Gratch on October 01, 2008, 02:28:46 PM

Quote from: cheeba on October 01, 2008, 01:05:03 PM

I find it hilarious that we have probably the biggest financial crisis in our lifetime going on and there's only a tiny little thread with hardly any comments about it, and yet you bring up Palin and people post like it's an Apple vs. PC debate, lol.

To be fair, I'm not sure which is scarier:  the financial crisis, or the fact that this batshit insane, completely inept twit could end up as second-in-command.

Rather than respond to cheeba myself, I'll just +1 this, since you nailed why we're talking about Palin. Anyone with common sense should know why Palin is a hot topic. They act as if McCain, the oldest person to ever run for President in U.S. history - a 3 time cancer survivor, was impervious to death.

Seriously, do you Republicans want to see Sarah Palin running the United States? Some of you, (YK, here, and senior R senators there) have come out and publicly acknowledged that she's clueless, and I admire that.
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« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2008, 04:29:37 PM »

Quote from: Blackadar on October 01, 2008, 02:44:37 PM

This is the equivalent of saying "don't look at this dog-poo pile, look at the bigger one we made over there".   Tongue
Kinda. But it's more like don't look at the little rabbit droppings in the house when there's an elephant who ate 10 cows and had constipation for 6 months finally taking a dump in the living room.
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« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2008, 04:38:19 PM »

Quote from: cheeba on October 01, 2008, 04:29:37 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on October 01, 2008, 02:44:37 PM

This is the equivalent of saying "don't look at this dog-poo pile, look at the bigger one we made over there".   Tongue
Kinda. But it's more like don't look at the little rabbit droppings in the house when there's an elephant who ate 10 cows and had constipation for 6 months finally taking a dump in the living room.
In a roundabout way, a domesticated carnivorous elephant that could eat 10 cows, and not die after a 6 month bout of constipation is a perfect metaphore for the Republican VP choice.
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« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2008, 04:56:32 PM »

Quote from: Hiccup on October 01, 2008, 04:38:19 PM

Quote from: cheeba on October 01, 2008, 04:29:37 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on October 01, 2008, 02:44:37 PM

This is the equivalent of saying "don't look at this dog-poo pile, look at the bigger one we made over there".   Tongue
Kinda. But it's more like don't look at the little rabbit droppings in the house when there's an elephant who ate 10 cows and had constipation for 6 months finally taking a dump in the living room.
In a roundabout way, a domesticated carnivorous elephant that could eat 10 cows, and not die after a 6 month bout of constipation is a perfect metaphore for the Republican VP choice.

I'd feel more comfortable with a domesticated carnivorous elephant that could eat 10 cows, and not die after a 6 month bout of constipation as McCain's VP.
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« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2008, 05:02:50 PM »

Quote from: cheeba on October 01, 2008, 01:05:03 PM

I find it hilarious that we have probably the biggest financial crisis in our lifetime going on and there's only a tiny little thread with hardly any comments about it, and yet you bring up Palin and people post like it's an Apple vs. PC debate, lol.

Yeah, it's pretty funny that you're not over there fostering discussion. Just can't stay away from this thread, eh?

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« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2008, 05:12:07 PM »

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Some of you, (YK, here, and senior R senators there) have come out and publicly acknowledged that she's clueless, and I admire that.

I'm typically pretty partisan, but I want to be able to argue my side with facts as well as conviction. At this point, you have to have your head stuck in the sand to not see the problems with Palin.
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« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2008, 05:22:31 PM »

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At this point, you have to have your head stuck in the sand to not see the problems with Palin.
When did you get a chance to meet my father-in-law?  He thinks she is the greatest....I can't talk any sort of sense into him.  :/
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« Reply #69 on: October 01, 2008, 05:34:27 PM »

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Some of you, (YK, here, and senior R senators there) have come out and publicly acknowledged that she's clueless, and I admire that.

I'm typically pretty partisan, but I want to be able to argue my side with facts as well as conviction. At this point, you have to have your head stuck in the sand to not see the problems with Palin.

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« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2008, 06:51:09 PM »

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At this point, you have to have your head stuck in the sand to not see the problems with Palin.
When did you get a chance to meet my father-in-law?  He thinks she is the greatest....I can't talk any sort of sense into him.  :/

While at dinner the other night Jaime started discussing the various amusing Palin skits she's seen online and I made the mistake of mentioning how frightened I am of her helping to lead our country.  My mother-in-law and her friend both commented that they like her and became pretty indignant.  They apparently appreciate that she's real and that she had a "good moral religious base."  I then asked about her comments on foreign policy experience being based on her fear of the evil Ruskies invading Alaska and Canada being her pleasant foreign neighbor, suggesting that by her reasoning the beer I purchased in Mexico while vacationing in Rocky Point provided me with all the foreign trade experience I could need.  They insisted my experience was "different," but they probably don't realize how much beer I purchased (and subsequently consumed).   ninja  When I listed Palin's many shortcomings, they argued that her shortcomings only add to her appeal and make her more "real".  When I responded with, "Real how, like 'real stupid'?" all conversation ended uncomfortably and Jaime smartly changed the subject to something else. 

These are the same women who presented their specific religious beliefs to me as, "It's kind of like when you were a kid and didn't know any better.  Your parents always tried to feed you vegetables because they were good for you, but you just didn't know better as you were a child.  Well, even though you may be an adult, you don't seem to know better when it comes to religion, and our 'pushing', as you call it, is merely because we have your best interest at heart as we know better and you don't.  It's kind of like teaching you to eat your vegetables."

How my wife managed to make it out of that house with her intellect and independence intact is beyond me.  I finished the night by taking a dump and asking how many more it would take to qualify me as a waste management specialist.
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« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2008, 07:12:16 PM »

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Oh, I gave her too much credit about teaching science - she favors teaching creationism as well.

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.

Palin is yet another struggling to understand the overwhelming difference between the terms "theory" and "scientific theory", and she obviously does not have any level of comprehension or understanding of science or the scientific method.  Or why a theory based in faith has no place in an educational realm governed by a very specific method designed to test theories prior to presenting them as fact.  As a geologist I find her position on these topics to be offensive, frightening, and riddled with ignorance.  Religion has its place, but that place is not in the scientific classroom.  I also have a problem with its place in politics as well.  I fear it hinders one's ability to make objective decisions.
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« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2008, 07:16:51 PM »

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As a geologist I find her position on these topics to be offensive, frightening, and riddled with ignorance.

You're saying you don't support my efforts to have schools teach the flat earth controversy?

New news from tonight's Palin/Couric tete-a-tete.  CBS has released two of the questions that Couric asks, but not the transcript of Palin's response, which apparently telegraphs that it's, uh, juicy.

The questions make this one look as though it'll be pretty entertaining:

"Why do you think Roe v. Wade is a good or bad decision? What other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?"

"Thomas Jefferson wrote about the First Amendment 'building a wall of separation between Church and State.' Why do you think that is so important?"
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« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2008, 07:22:49 PM »

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Your wife just got more cool points from me. smile  I'm *really* looking forward to tomorrow's debate. 
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« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2008, 07:38:36 PM »

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I'll give you a preview:

"Ultimately, what the wall does is help those who are concerned about the invasion of the Russians over our airspace.  The building of the wall is about the, uh...it has to all be about job creation too, shoring up our wall building economMAVERICK!!!!y, don'tchaknow.  So yea, when McCain is president and we are done reigning in porkMAVERICK!!! barrel wall spending to...you see, trade competition and...it has to...uh...umbrella...MAVERICK!!...uh...what?"
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« Reply #75 on: October 01, 2008, 07:39:40 PM »

I think that was 24% more coherent than she'll actually be. slywink
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« Reply #76 on: October 01, 2008, 07:45:27 PM »

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Quote from: PeteRock on October 01, 2008, 07:12:16 PM

As a geologist I find her position on these topics to be offensive, frightening, and riddled with ignorance.

You're saying you don't support my efforts to have schools teach the flat earth controversy?

This controversy is testable.  I may not support your efforts, but they also do not concern me because the flat earth controversy can be subjected to the rules that govern a scientific classroom.  It can be presented as a hypothesis, tested by the scientific method, and either proven or disproven depending on the results.  

But theories born from faith are not testable or subject to the scientific method in any way.  I can claim that the scientific reasoning behind the color of our atmosphere is based completely in theory and that the real reason why the atmosphere is blue and grass is green is because if the atmosphere were green no one would know where to stop mowing.  You have to have faith in John Deere.  While science may want you to believe that the sky is blue due to Rayleigh scattering, I argue that it is only a theory and in actuality it is an ingenious way for our intelligent designer to protect nature by keeping us from mowing too far.

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Your wife just got more cool points from me. smile  I'm *really* looking forward to tomorrow's debate. 

You really need to spend more time with her mother to understand my disdain.  The garbage she spouts off, the complete lack of regard or respect for anything said by anyone other than herself, her constant obsession with being the center of attention, her sense of entitlement, the heir of superiority, etc.  And after her comments on Palin and her suggesting that Jaime and I aren't mature or "experienced" enough to know better pretty much solidified my perspective.  And if you're stubborn enough to continue an exchange, when proven wrong she'll get huffy and storm off, muttering something about disrespect and having the audacity to suggest that her beliefs are wrong. 

Saturday can't get here soon enough.  I continue to wonder why I look forward to their visits (perhaps because I have no immediate family of my own), but the moment they arrive I am quickly reminded of why I am always so anxious for them to leave.
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« Reply #77 on: October 02, 2008, 01:14:42 AM »

This has got to be the worst one yet:

Palin: Hamas??
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« Reply #78 on: October 02, 2008, 01:54:09 AM »

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"Thomas Jefferson wrote about the First Amendment 'building a wall of separation between Church and State.' Why do you think that is so important?"

I'll give you a preview:

"Ultimately, what the wall does is help those who are concerned about the invasion of the Russians over our airspace.  The building of the wall is about the, uh...it has to all be about job creation too, shoring up our wall building economMAVERICK!!!!y, don'tchaknow.  So yea, when McCain is president and we are done reigning in porkMAVERICK!!! barrel wall spending to...you see, trade competition and...it has to...uh...umbrella...MAVERICK!!...uh...what?"

After a long hard day at work, a cold beer and a good laugh are just what i needed. I provided the beer, you provided the laugh. So thanks smile

It was also nice to see cheeba compare Palin to rabbit droppings.
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« Reply #79 on: October 02, 2008, 03:50:59 AM »

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It was also nice to see cheeba compare Palin to rabbit droppings.
The Couric interview certainly stunk. But as I said before I'm going to wait until after the debate to really form my opinion on her. I am betting she will do much better than most people here think. But that's certainly not hard to do, considering the opinions around here.

Biden, to me, however, is just as much a risk as Palin at this point. Yes, he's got a shit-ton of experience, but he's put none of his experience points in tact. Some of the stuff he has said is downright racist. I certainly wouldn't want my President joking about having to speak Indian at 7/11's.

So, my view = bring on the debate and let's see. I'd rather judge the tickets by the top of the candidate anyways.
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