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« on: May 09, 2012, 07:33:50 PM »

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/09/11621156-obama-backs-same-sex-marriage?lite

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President Barack Obama endorsed the right of same-sex couples to marry on Wednesday, a landmark pronouncement made in light of mounting pressure from gay right advocates.

Obama became the first U.S. president to back the right of gay and lesbian couples to marry, a reversal from views expressed during the 2008 campaign, when he said he opposed same-sex marriage but favored civil unions as an alternative.

Obama told ABC News that, after reflection, he had "concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married."

In making his announcement, Obama completes what he had described as an “evolution” in his views on this issue, hastened by growing fervor this week involving gay rights. The growing pressure was capped Tuesday by North Carolina voters’ approval of a constitutional amendment banning not only same-sex marriages, but civil unions for gay and lesbian couples, as well.

Obama’s shift not only speaks to a broad swath of the electorate, which has exhibited increasing acceptance of same-sex marriage in opinion polls, but also gay and lesbian voters who compose a core part of Obama’s base, and have been major fundraisers for his re-election.

The president had found himself under increasing pressure this week to state his position unequivocally after Vice President Joe Biden voiced support for same-sex marriage.

Obama explained that he had hesitated in fully supporting same-sex marriage because he thought civil unions would be sufficient.

I'm kind of torn on this-  it's good to hear him say it but it's clearly election year politics and I have to wonder if he'll keep the same stance once the election is over or if it will quietly fade into the background.
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2012, 07:54:47 PM »

I think it's actually playing his hand too early. You don't do radical things in the first term - otherwise you don't get a second term.

Big-O needs something to show for the last 4 years - this would be a big gold star for (from what sounds like) a vocal group of his supporters.
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2012, 08:00:42 PM »

(PR stands up and starts a noble clap.. which turns into a thunderous round of applause)
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2012, 08:10:18 PM »

A black president eventually had to come down on the right side of today's leading civil rights issue. Historically, expanding rights for minority groups has always proven to be the correct stance...eventually. The timing seems bold, but I guess the campaign arithmetic must have argued for it. He generates some enthusiasm among disillusioned liberals and he further alienates people who already oppose him anyway. The key question is how it plays with moderate voters, because they are going to decide this election.
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2012, 08:26:44 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on May 09, 2012, 07:33:50 PM

I'm kind of torn on this-  it's good to hear him say it but it's clearly election year politics and I have to wonder if he'll keep the same stance once the election is over or if it will quietly fade into the background.

The only way this helps him this year is to raise money.  It will likely hurt him in every single battleground state (per Nate Silver):



The generally accepted battleground states are:

Colorado, Florida, Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin

some add:

New Mexico, North Carolina, and Michigan.

Only 1 battleground state is consistently blue in all models - Colorado.  The biggies (Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania) all have over 56% of the voters in the linear model voting against Same Sex marriage in November.

The only upside for Obama is doing what's right.
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2012, 08:37:26 PM »

I'm pretty impressed. It seems like a pretty dangerous thing for a presidential candidate to come out in favor of. I hope that it doesn't wind up hurting him.

I didn't read the article, but I think a big question is is he just saying that he approves and states should continue to vote on the issue, or that he thinks that there should be federal involvement. Very big difference for some people.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2012, 11:20:55 PM »

I guess FOX Nation had a headline they've changed, but forgot about their twitter feed.
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2012, 12:22:30 AM »

Quote from: Teggy on May 09, 2012, 08:37:26 PM

I didn't read the article, but I think a big question is is he just saying that he approves and states should continue to vote on the issue, or that he thinks that there should be federal involvement. Very big difference for some people.
The former, unfortunately.
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2012, 09:33:57 PM »

Took long enough for him to "evolve" on the issue. 

I really don't understand why there are so many people against gay marriage in the first place when it has nothing to do with them or their families.
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2012, 02:46:36 AM »

Quote from: corruptrelic on May 10, 2012, 09:33:57 PM


I really don't understand why there are so many people against gay marriage in the first place when it has nothing to do with them or their families.

Wait. You mean it won't be mandatory? That's a relief!
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2012, 06:28:23 AM »

And the lion's nest is awoken..

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President Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage is energizing Christian conservative support for Mitt Romney in a way that the likely GOP nominee has so far not been able to do on his own, according to religious leaders and activists.

Pastors in Ohio, North Carolina, Florida and other swing states are readying Sunday sermons inveighing against same-sex unions, while activist groups have begun laying plans for social media campaigns, leaflet drives and other get-out-the-vote efforts centered on the same-sex marriage issue. Romney could benefit from a strong turnout among evangelicals and other social conservatives, many of whom remain skeptical of his commitment to their causes.

“So many people were rather lukewarm toward governor Romney and were really looking for some more tangible reasons to support him,” said Phil Burress, president of Citizens for Community Values, who led the ballot drive that banned gay marriage in Ohio in 2004. “Then lo and behold, it just fell out of the sky when Obama came out and endorsed same-sex marriage. . . . We are going to make this our key issue: the attack on marriage.”

The National Organization for Marriage, a leading anti-gay-marriage group, lashed out at Obama after his announcement and promised to campaign against him “ceaselessly” in swing states.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-gay-marriage-endorsement-mobilizes-christian-conservatives/2012/05/11/gIQAT8x5IU_story.html
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2012, 01:41:40 PM »

Quote from: corruptrelic on May 12, 2012, 06:28:23 AM

And the lion's nest is awoken..

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President Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage is energizing Christian conservative support for Mitt Romney in a way that the likely GOP nominee has so far not been able to do on his own, according to religious leaders and activists.

Pastors in Ohio, North Carolina, Florida and other swing states are readying Sunday sermons inveighing against same-sex unions, while activist groups have begun laying plans for social media campaigns, leaflet drives and other get-out-the-vote efforts centered on the same-sex marriage issue. Romney could benefit from a strong turnout among evangelicals and other social conservatives, many of whom remain skeptical of his commitment to their causes.

“So many people were rather lukewarm toward governor Romney and were really looking for some more tangible reasons to support him,” said Phil Burress, president of Citizens for Community Values, who led the ballot drive that banned gay marriage in Ohio in 2004. “Then lo and behold, it just fell out of the sky when Obama came out and endorsed same-sex marriage. . . . We are going to make this our key issue: the attack on marriage.”

The National Organization for Marriage, a leading anti-gay-marriage group, lashed out at Obama after his announcement and promised to campaign against him “ceaselessly” in swing states.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-gay-marriage-endorsement-mobilizes-christian-conservatives/2012/05/11/gIQAT8x5IU_story.html

One can only hope that the rational and sane people of the US rise up to fight right back.
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2012, 09:43:32 PM »

Seeing the so-called Christians rally together to rag on a specific group has caused me to stop calling myself a Christian.  I still believe in God, but I don't believe in people. 
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2012, 12:29:33 AM »

Quote from: leo8877 on May 12, 2012, 01:41:40 PM

Quote from: corruptrelic on May 12, 2012, 06:28:23 AM

And the lion's nest is awoken..

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President Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage is energizing Christian conservative support for Mitt Romney in a way that the likely GOP nominee has so far not been able to do on his own, according to religious leaders and activists.

Pastors in Ohio, North Carolina, Florida and other swing states are readying Sunday sermons inveighing against same-sex unions, while activist groups have begun laying plans for social media campaigns, leaflet drives and other get-out-the-vote efforts centered on the same-sex marriage issue. Romney could benefit from a strong turnout among evangelicals and other social conservatives, many of whom remain skeptical of his commitment to their causes.

“So many people were rather lukewarm toward governor Romney and were really looking for some more tangible reasons to support him,” said Phil Burress, president of Citizens for Community Values, who led the ballot drive that banned gay marriage in Ohio in 2004. “Then lo and behold, it just fell out of the sky when Obama came out and endorsed same-sex marriage. . . . We are going to make this our key issue: the attack on marriage.”

The National Organization for Marriage, a leading anti-gay-marriage group, lashed out at Obama after his announcement and promised to campaign against him “ceaselessly” in swing states.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-gay-marriage-endorsement-mobilizes-christian-conservatives/2012/05/11/gIQAT8x5IU_story.html

One can only hope that the rational and sane people of the US rise up to fight right back.

Looking at that quote, Phil Burress is a grade A asshole. This guy has a long history of being a jerk off too. In the 80s and 90s he led an anti porn crusade in Cincinnati (Larry Flint lost to this fuck) all because he is a self admitted Porn addict. Now in the 2000s he has led an anti gay crusade. Can anyone guess why he is so concerned about keeping the gays in the closet?

The problem is that the christian conservatives eat his bull shit up like it's beer flavored ice cream. He is an asshole on level with Karl Rove.
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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2012, 03:56:10 AM »

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The problem is that the christian conservatives eat his bull shit up like it's beer flavored ice cream. He is an asshole on level with Karl Rove.

Your analogy has given me a picture of "soft serve" that will never leave my brain...
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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2012, 04:43:58 AM »

Quote from: Ironrod on May 09, 2012, 08:10:18 PM

A black president eventually had to come down on the right side of today's leading civil rights issue. Historically, expanding rights for minority groups has always proven to be the correct stance...eventually. The timing seems bold, but I guess the campaign arithmetic must have argued for it. He generates some enthusiasm among disillusioned liberals and he further alienates people who already oppose him anyway. The key question is how it plays with moderate voters, because they are going to decide this election.

The problem is that he still thinks its a state to state issue.   This is one area where the federal government has a place, as the constitution is supposed to make a contract (which is what marriage is) that is legal in one state legal in all states.    People opposed federal civil rights legislation for the same reason, and I am sure Obama doesn't think those should be decided on a state by state basis.
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