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« on: September 27, 2008, 03:17:29 AM »

What the heck are all you guys doing on a Friday night anyways!  I didn't get to see it anywhere unfortunately.  Streaming CNN video doesn't work on my Firefox for some damn reason.  Anyways, it sounds like McCain didn't win, therefore he lost.
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2008, 04:05:46 AM »

It was a draw. Nothing exciting. Bring on the next debate.
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2008, 04:14:23 AM »

I thought both candidates performed fairly well.  Obama fared worse on economic issues and better on foreign policy than I expected, and vice versa with McCain.  They were both articulate, well-informed, and supported their positions very well.

The immediate post-debate reaction (on MSNBC), however, distilled my disgust of the entire political scene into approximately 2 minutes.   Chris Matthews and his cronies immediately laid into Obama - and essentially said he "lost" the debate - simply because he had the audacity to say he agreed with some of McCain's positions.  They made it sound like the candidates had to be in complete and total opposition on every single minute issue, and the fact that one of them could actually admit he somewhat agreed with the position of the other other somehow means they were somehow the inferior and/or weaker candidate.   Guess I'm just sick of this divisive "your party/candiate is completely wrong and my party/candidate is completely right" garbage that permeates every single second of this campaign, and is tearing this country apart.   There has to be a middle-ground somewhere, but nobody is ever willing to look for it.  Everything always ends up as "Do it my way...and fuck you", which gets us exactly nowhere.

And thus ends my bi-annual foray into the political forum.  Back to your regularly scheduled nonsense.  smile
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2008, 04:55:54 AM »

As I posted at OO, I thought both candidates did very well. These are obviously experienced debaters and guys who know their politics.

I thought McCain's biggest strength was his articulation of his experience. While Obama talked about spots on the map, McCain made sure people knew he'd actually been there. I thought that was pretty effective. McCain's biggest weakness was his consistent misrepresentation of some of Obama's views - sometimes even after Obama had already corrected him. I thought it was a little underhanded.

Obama's biggest strength was what has always been his biggest strength - he's a very compelling speaker. I thought he did a better job of giving complete answers, remained very composed, and didn't resort to the same misrepresentations. Obama's biggest weakness, unsurprisingly, was his lack of experience. McCain's biggest points were scored when comparing his experience to Obama's.

Personally I give the overall slight edge to Obama for having a more substantive debate. McCain weaseled out of a few questions by either misrepresentative attacks or only defending isolated parts of the argument.  Public/media perception will probably call it a draw.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2008, 05:44:25 AM »

Quote from: cheeba on September 27, 2008, 04:05:46 AM

Bring on the next debate.

Ready for the train wreck huh? Tonight didn't have any real cringe worthy moments (well maybe the wrist band lines), but next Thursday should be interesting to say the least.
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2008, 02:29:39 PM »

Obama's performance was cool, cerebral, and nuanced. McCain's was more folksy. Obama won brains. McCain won hearts. Since elections turn on feelings, not thought, McCain gets the win.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2008, 07:27:10 PM »

I thought it was a pretty even one and those saying "draw" I'd agree with. Obama did better at first, McCain came back at the half-way point. I will say that Obama has improved as a debater and doesn't blather endlessly on and on and on before coming close to a point like he did back in the primaries. If nothing else, his handlers/programmers should slap themselves on the back for a reformat job well done.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2008, 09:04:38 PM »

I just watched the debates again.

I won't follow that man, he stinks of the same shit we've been smelling the last eight years. You can see it, he doesn't even look at Obama during the debate, is that out of racism or guilt what?

*EDITED BY MOD* so hopefully we can keep the Secret Service from bugging Ron.  I will also be editing the subsequent quotes of the offending phrase. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2008, 09:14:49 PM »

Quote from: Ridah on September 27, 2008, 09:04:38 PM

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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2008, 09:38:41 PM »

Quote from: cheeba on September 27, 2008, 09:14:49 PM

Quote from: Ridah on September 27, 2008, 09:04:38 PM

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Classy, and likely illegal for you to even type that shit.

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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2008, 09:50:11 PM »

Quote from: Ridah on September 27, 2008, 09:38:41 PM

Quote from: cheeba on September 27, 2008, 09:14:49 PM

Quote from: Ridah on September 27, 2008, 09:04:38 PM

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So report me.

I can imagine what would be said around here if someone made a similar comment about Obama.   Crap like that has no place in ANY political discussion.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2008, 10:03:30 PM »

so, did anyone else watch the debate only out of the morbid curiosity of possibly seeing McCain keel over on TV?
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2008, 11:05:08 PM »

For the first and probably ONLY time ever, I agree with Cheeba & brettmcd. Ridah. What you just did is illegal. Seriously. They arrested and imprisoned a guy here in Florida for making the same threat against Obama. It is a felony to make a threat on the life of a major presidential candidate. You might want to edit your post. Very, very uncool.
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2008, 11:36:41 PM »

Quote from: Ridah on September 27, 2008, 09:38:41 PM

Quote from: cheeba on September 27, 2008, 09:14:49 PM

Quote from: Ridah on September 27, 2008, 09:04:38 PM

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Done.
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2008, 12:41:52 AM »

Quote from: Ridah on September 27, 2008, 09:04:38 PM

I just watched the debates again.

Deleted I won't follow that man, he stinks of the same shit we've been smelling the last eight years. You can see it, he doesn't even look at Obama during the debate, is that out of racism or guilt what?

If McCain becomes the president, I think you should pray for his health so that he can serve a full term. You don't want president Palin.
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