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« on: November 05, 2008, 09:14:09 PM »

I don't know who caught this, but that was a great speech.  Like people said about Bob Dole, where was this guy during the campaign?
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2008, 09:18:04 PM »

I thought that speech was a great speech. I honestly like McCain. Wouldn't mind sharing a few beers with him, but I couldn't vote for him.

His speech was exactly what was needed. He spoke to the historical quality of the election, he spoke to his government service and to his love of country. He even mentioned Obama grandmother and how sad it was she had recently died and that he was sure how proud of him she would be.

A great speech.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2008, 09:24:46 PM »

McCain's concession speech was perhaps the best he gave the entire campaign.  It rates an A-.

The attitude and actions of the crowd during the speech?  D-

And I think he's partially to blame for the venomous reaction from his crowd.  But that's an entirely different issue.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2008, 09:25:28 PM »

He's such a pendulum.  I respect him greatly for his military service and his time as a POW.  I think he's all over the place.  I've mentioned (somewhere) my dislike for him over his actions on a national stage to outlaw gambling on college sports (which is only legal in one state, which happens to be right next door).  If he had come out taking the moral high ground and presented himself like he did last night on a more consistent basis, I think he could have had a shot.  Doubtful that I would have voted for him in any case.
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2008, 10:20:14 PM »

As mentioned in the other thread, it was a great speech and very gracious.
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2008, 10:33:30 PM »

Quote from: Blackadar on November 05, 2008, 09:24:46 PM

McCain's concession speech was perhaps the best he gave the entire campaign.  It rates an A-.

The attitude and actions of the crowd during the speech?  D-

And I think he's partially to blame for the venomous reaction from his crowd.  But that's an entirely different issue.

I agree the reactions from the crown were no at all appropriate, but im not sure how you can blame him at all for it.    And if the other side had lost people were calling for riots, so I think a few idiots in a crowd booing doesnt compare much to that.
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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2008, 11:07:24 PM »

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And if the other side had lost people were calling for riots, so I think a few idiots in a crowd booing doesnt compare much to that.

So the moral of the story is that hypothetical bad behavior is automatically worse than the real thing?

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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2008, 01:34:15 AM »

Quote from: Blackadar on November 05, 2008, 09:24:46 PM

McCain's concession speech was perhaps the best he gave the entire campaign.  It rates an A-.

Absolutely.  That speech reminded me of the guy I liked back in 2000.

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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2008, 02:24:02 AM »

Quote from: Scuzz on November 05, 2008, 09:18:04 PM

I thought that speech was a great speech. I honestly like McCain. Wouldn't mind sharing a few beers with him, but I couldn't vote for him.

His speech was exactly what was needed. He spoke to the historical quality of the election, he spoke to his government service and to his love of country. He even mentioned Obama grandmother and how sad it was she had recently died and that he was sure how proud of him she would be.

A great speech.

You took the words out of my mouth.  I respect McCain for what he has accomlished and if he had won the Republican nomination in 2000 I would have voted for him.  I coudn't vote for him yesterday though.  I hope Obama has a successful presidency.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2008, 04:44:21 PM »

Quote from: Autistic Angel on November 05, 2008, 11:07:24 PM

Quote from: brettmcd
And if the other side had lost people were calling for riots, so I think a few idiots in a crowd booing doesnt compare much to that.

So the moral of the story is that hypothetical bad behavior is automatically worse than the real thing?

-Autistic Angel

I think you have to remember he was speaking to people who had devoted the last year to winning. Their "dream" had just been crushed. They had probably imbibed a touch. This wasn't a non-partisan crowd there out of curiousity, this was the hard core campaign crew. For that reason I think you have to forgive them for their inappropriate boo's. Also, had Obama been making such a speech to his followers I think you would have heard some of the same noise.
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2008, 05:04:31 PM »

Quote from: Scuzz on November 06, 2008, 04:44:21 PM

Also, had Obama been making such a speech to his followers I think you would have heard some of the same noise.

I don't.  Obama hadn't spent months and months denigrating his opponent as an anti-American terrorist-sympathizer.  Conservatives can't have it both ways - they claimed there would be riots if Obama lost, and riots if Obama won.  And yet - no riots - it was all just masturbatory right-wing fantasy, hoping that their worst fears were confirmed so that they could finally be openly intolerant again.

McCain's concession speech was classy and authentic; it truly was the best address he'd given during the entire campaign.  The behavior of the audience seemed to disappoint and frustrate him, and I hope he feels regret about inciting them in the first place.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2008, 07:19:49 PM »

Either side would have booed.

Kerry's supporters booed in 2004 at his concession speech. It's politics. Every large gathering of hardcore party fanatics is going to have a handful of assholes, no matter what party they're affiliated with.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2008, 07:54:53 PM »

Quote from: YellowKing on November 06, 2008, 07:19:49 PM

Kerry's supporters booed in 2004 at his concession speech.

I hear no boos during this speech.  I think you may have misremembered.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2008, 09:31:00 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on November 06, 2008, 05:04:31 PM

Quote from: Scuzz on November 06, 2008, 04:44:21 PM

Also, had Obama been making such a speech to his followers I think you would have heard some of the same noise.

I don't.  Obama hadn't spent months and months denigrating his opponent as an anti-American terrorist-sympathizer.  Conservatives can't have it both ways - they claimed there would be riots if Obama lost, and riots if Obama won.  And yet - no riots - it was all just masturbatory right-wing fantasy, hoping that their worst fears were confirmed so that they could finally be openly intolerant again.

McCain's concession speech was classy and authentic; it truly was the best address he'd given during the entire campaign.  The behavior of the audience seemed to disappoint and frustrate him, and I hope he feels regret about inciting them in the first place.

So Obama followers are all nice, polite, quiet little people who would not have raised a voice in frustration if Obama had told them that they should give McCain a chance to do what he felt was best for the American people. Bull....

Don't turn his campaign workers into saints...........
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2008, 09:40:42 PM »

Quote from: Scuzz on November 06, 2008, 09:31:00 PM

So Obama followers are all nice, polite, quiet little people who would not have raised a voice in frustration if Obama had told them that they should give McCain a chance to do what he felt was best for the American people. Bull....

Don't turn his campaign workers into saints...........

Oh, please.  Watch that Kerry concession video.  Watch Gore's concession speech.  There's no booing, because those men, like Obama, didn't spend months inciting xenophobic followers into a frothing frenzy.  I'm an Obama supporter, and I'm not, by your standards, a "nice, polite, quiet little" person, and yet I wouldn't have booed during my candidate's concession speech because I respect the office of the presidency, the race my candidate ran, and McCain's past service to the country.  Barack Obama is a President-elect, and a United States Senator.  He's not a Manchurian-marxist-islamist.
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2008, 11:46:58 PM »

Well we THINK he is not the Manchurian candidate  Roll Eyes or the anti-christ

OTOH W. has a couple of months to pull off a Seven Days in May scenario to save us from ourselves
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2008, 01:25:44 AM »

Guys you're arguing with some of the most partisan people on the net here. You could point out logical, valid evidence like the Clinton *staffers* who vandalized the fucking White House before W took office and they'll still think Democrats' shit don't stink.
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2008, 01:30:37 AM »

Quote from: cheeba on November 07, 2008, 01:25:44 AM

You could point out logical, valid evidence like the Clinton *staffers* who vandalized the fucking White House before W took office

Funny you should use that as your example, Cheeba.  You're so partisan that you've internalized total fictions as truth.

John McCain is responsible for the campaign that he ran, and the result of that campaign is what you saw on display at his concession speech.
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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2008, 04:44:57 AM »

Quote from: cheeba on November 07, 2008, 01:25:44 AM

Guys you're arguing with some of the most partisan people on the net here. You could point out logical, valid evidence like the Clinton *staffers* who vandalized the fucking White House before W took office and they'll still think Democrats' shit don't stink.

Palin seeing Russia from her backyard doesn't make her an expert on international relations. You looking over from the right and seeing the middle on the horizon doesn't make you a moderate.
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2008, 04:54:25 AM »

Quote from: Brendan on November 07, 2008, 01:30:37 AM

Funny you should use that as your example, Cheeba.  You're so partisan that you've internalized total fictions as truth.
Fiction? From the article you cited:
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"My sense is there probably (were) some phones pulled or whatever; I don't have a way to determine that," Ungar said, referring to accounts that office lines had been cut. "But there wasn't indication of real, significant, widespread damage."
He's not saying there was no vandalism. He's saying there were probably some phone lines pulled (you think those phone lines pulled themselves?) and that he isn't capable of determining other vandalism. That's not a denial of it occurring, that's him saying it wasn't a huge deal for him. Still, who the fuck pulls phone lines from the White House as a prank?

We've already shown poor behavior of other democrats. You know why? Because they're people, and like it or not there's very little difference between republicans and democrats.
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2008, 04:58:53 AM »

Good effort, Cheeba, but let the record show you've struck out again.

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The General Services Administration found nothing unusual about the condition of White House offices after Clinton officials left, and President Bush's staff said it had no records that indicated damage or subsequent repair work, the accounting office manager said.

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Now it seems those closely detailed stories were largely bunk. Last week it was revealed that a formal review by the General Accounting Office, Congress' investigative agency, "had found no damage to the offices of the White House's East or West Wings or EOB" and that Bush's own representatives had reported "there is no record of damage that may have been deliberately caused by the employees of the Clinton administration."

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While cautious GSA staffers won't issue a blanket exoneration of the Clinton team, Bernard Ungar, the agency's director of physical infrastructure, told Salon the media clearly exaggerated the extent of the damage. According to the terse GSA statement that formed the basis of Ungar's conclusion, "the condition of the real property was consistent with what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after an extended occupancy."

Are you so partisan that you'll ignore the logical, valid evidence presented in these articles?  You're the gift that keeps on giving.
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2008, 05:28:42 AM »

Quote from: Brendan on November 07, 2008, 04:58:53 AM

Are you so partisan that you'll ignore the logical, valid evidence presented in these articles?  You're the gift that keeps on giving.
Uh, did you read those? Watch:
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The General Services Administration found nothing unusual about the condition of White House offices after Clinton officials left, and President Bush's staff said it had no records that indicated damage or subsequent repair work, the accounting office manager said.
No records does not mean it didn't happen. Read here for a decent account from the Washington Post (it's a loony site, but we are talking about 8 years ago, so the article isn't up on the Post's site). The Bush Administration didn't keep records because they wanted to move on.
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Now it seems those closely detailed stories were largely bunk.
Notice the qualifier there?
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While cautious GSA staffers won't issue a blanket exoneration of the Clinton team
Why won't they issue a blanket exoneration?

Where there's smoke there's fire. Something happened. Regardless, it was several years ago and I don't care to argue it any further, as we likely won't ever know the truth. You can simply click on the other links in the previous post to discover the elusive booing democrat.
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2008, 05:37:17 AM »

Quote from: cheeba on November 07, 2008, 05:28:42 AM

Regardless, it was several years ago and I don't care to argue it any further, as we likely won't ever know the truth.

Hahaha!  Accuse me of being so "partisan" that I won't admit facts by offering a case study in purported bad behavior by democrats, and then when it's demonstrated that no such behavior existed, you slink away without admitting the facts - that you were unequivocally wrong.  You're making my night, Cheeba.
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2008, 07:33:23 AM »

Quote from: Brendan on November 07, 2008, 05:37:17 AM

Hahaha!  Accuse me of being so "partisan" that I won't admit facts by offering a case study in purported bad behavior by democrats, and then when it's demonstrated that no such behavior existed, you slink away without admitting the facts - that you were unequivocally wrong.  You're making my night, Cheeba.
Ugh. Just ugh dude. Is your reading comprehension truly so poor? Could you not read the Washington Post article? Did you not see that White House spokesman Ari Fleischer reported that there was vandalism? Did you not see that much of it happened in the other building which the GSA didn't check? Did you not see that every one of your citations had qualifiers? Do you understand the concept of qualifiers?

Do you know exactly what happened? No, you don't. Do I know exactly what happened? No, I don't. None of these articles we cited even know the full extent of what happened. Are we ever going to agree? No, we won't. So what's the point of continuing? What's the point of continuing that stupid argument when there's other video evidence showing democrats behaving just as poorly?
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2008, 10:51:49 AM »

Quote from: cheeba on November 07, 2008, 07:33:23 AM

Quote from: Brendan on November 07, 2008, 05:37:17 AM

Hahaha!  Accuse me of being so "partisan" that I won't admit facts by offering a case study in purported bad behavior by democrats, and then when it's demonstrated that no such behavior existed, you slink away without admitting the facts - that you were unequivocally wrong.  You're making my night, Cheeba.
Ugh. Just ugh dude. Is your reading comprehension truly so poor? Could you not read the Washington Post article? Did you not see that White House spokesman Ari Fleischer reported that there was vandalism? Did you not see that much of it happened in the other building which the GSA didn't check? Did you not see that every one of your citations had qualifiers? Do you understand the concept of qualifiers?

Do you know exactly what happened? No, you don't. Do I know exactly what happened? No, I don't. None of these articles we cited even know the full extent of what happened. Are we ever going to agree? No, we won't. So what's the point of continuing? What's the point of continuing that stupid argument when there's other video evidence showing democrats behaving just as poorly?

If no one know anything why you use this as a fact to attack democrats?

If no one know anything why you trust that a White House spokesman was telling the truth? I think we see enough example in the past to know that White House spokeman can't always be trusted.

Also do you think why there is no trace of anything that show the cost of repairing that "vandalism"? Do you think Bush's administration leak the incident to reporters but then fix accounting books to cover it up? Does that seem more likely than White House spokemen exargerated the incident?

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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2008, 11:19:54 AM »

I have to say Cheeba you are the one that brought it up as an example and now you are saying no one can know what happened.

If you have been around the government and worked inside the Capitol beltway you would know that GSA, especially with a brand new incoming administration would never just flat out say the White House staff made it up.

Given all the stuff the Bush administration went on to invent about other topics is it so hard to conceive that they made thisup to make the Clinton's look bad?  This is just as plausible as what you are trying to say happened.
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2008, 12:10:54 PM »

This thread is a great example of why politics doesn't work. You guys are arguing about nonsense just like the Repubs and the Dems do.  If you'd quit trying to figure out whose d*** is bigger and try to find a common ground, maybe this country would get somewhere and you and your annointed ones woundn't be Party first, country a DISTANT 2nd.
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2008, 03:34:02 PM »

Quote from: Jaddison on November 07, 2008, 11:19:54 AM

I have to say Cheeba you are the one that brought it up as an example and now you are saying no one can know what happened.
That would not be a correct interpretation. Words mean things. Quoth me:
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None of these articles we cited even know the full extent of what happened.
We know stuff happened. W's removed from keyboards, lewd photos left in copiers, phone lines cut - at least some of that stuff happened.
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If you have been around the government and worked inside the Capitol beltway you would know that GSA, especially with a brand new incoming administration would never just flat out say the White House staff made it up.
Weird sentence. You think "being around government" or proximity to Washington DC gives one special insight into the White House General Services Administration?

And the oddly described lettuce is right. This is a stupid argument. Can we end this, or are you guys really so desperate to say, "omgz we won!"?

Why have none of you commented on these booing democrats? You really think democrats don't boo? Or show lack of class?
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2008, 04:24:19 PM »

Who cares who booed who.  We all agree it's in bad taste so let's move on.  jesus.
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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2008, 04:32:09 PM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on November 07, 2008, 04:24:19 PM

Who cares who booed who.  We all agree it's in bad taste so let's move on.  jesus.
Booooo.
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« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2008, 04:34:11 PM »

Mountain out of a mole hill.......................
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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2008, 04:44:01 PM »

Quote from: cheeba on November 07, 2008, 03:34:02 PM

We know stuff happened. W's removed from keyboards, lewd photos left in copiers, phone lines cut - at least some of that stuff happened.

You're funnier with each passing day.  Where's the certainty you were exhibiting yesterday?  "Some of that stuff happened" doesn't build much confidence in your pronouncements.

Luckily for you, I'm always here to do the research and provide some facts.  Let's see... here's a few quotes from the GAO report:

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Seven former employees also said that computers were not operational or were missing hard drives at the beginning of the administration.  Two of those employees said that it took 1 to 2 weeks for the computers to work. Two former employees said that telephones were piled on the floors or were disconnected. (One of those former employees said she was told that staff would receive new telephones. Another former employee said that she saw telephone lines pulled out of walls and that they appeared to have been pulled out intentionally.

I agree that pulling out those telephone lines - bad behavior.

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Three former staff said they saw a total of at least six bumper stickers in different offices, on cubicle walls, in a desk, and on a telephone. One former employee said she saw one to two photocopies of political cartoons left in a copy machine, a medicine bottle with a prank note inside a desk, a banner on the balcony of the EEOB, and a tent tarp.

Pranks and detritus - I'll grant that that's pretty sophomoric, but mostly harmless.

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Five former employees told us they observed furniture in hallways, piled up, or in places it did not appear to belong. One of those former employees also said there was no furniture in an office.
One former employee (a different former employee for each of the following observations) said he or she observed each of the following: a personís initials carved into the front of the middle drawer of her desk,
words carved into two additional desks (a former employee said one of the carved words was an obscenity; the person who observed the other carving in a desk said it was the name of the vice president during the administration), and broken chairs.

Piled in places it didn't belong?  Maybe that's just from the cleaning crew.  Obscenities carved into a desk - that's terrible behavior and should've been further investigated...

Of course, that was all from the 1993 transition from GHWB to Clinton.
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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2008, 05:09:19 PM »

Isn't it nice to now that the people who run our country are so mature.......
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« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2008, 05:18:37 PM »

The people who run our country live in a 24 hour a day pressure cooker.  After a while you are going to get a little flaky no matter what party you belong to and many if not most of the lower level people make diddly squat on top of that.

We always knew the public would not want to know many of the things that went on underway on nuclear submarines.  Nothing dangerous but i know most people would be aghast that they trusted us with both nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons
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« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2008, 06:05:34 PM »

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on November 07, 2008, 12:10:54 PM

This thread is a great example of why politics doesn't work. You guys are arguing about nonsense just like the Repubs and the Dems do.  If you'd quit trying to figure out whose d*** is bigger and try to find a common ground, maybe this country would get somewhere and you and your annointed ones woundn't be Party first, country a DISTANT 2nd.

It's not about whose deck is bigger, it's about someone making accusations based on facts they admit we know nothing about, all the while claiming to be non-partisan.

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« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2008, 06:11:56 PM »

Quote from: cheeba on November 07, 2008, 03:34:02 PM

Quote from: Jaddison on November 07, 2008, 11:19:54 AM

I have to say Cheeba you are the one that brought it up as an example and now you are saying no one can know what happened.
That would not be a correct interpretation. Words mean things. Quoth me:
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None of these articles we cited even know the full extent of what happened.
We know stuff happened. W's removed from keyboards, lewd photos left in copiers, phone lines cut - at least some of that stuff happened.
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If you have been around the government and worked inside the Capitol beltway you would know that GSA, especially with a brand new incoming administration would never just flat out say the White House staff made it up.
Weird sentence. You think "being around government" or proximity to Washington DC gives one special insight into the White House General Services Administration?

And the oddly described lettuce is right. This is a stupid argument. Can we end this, or are you guys really so desperate to say, "omgz we won!"?

Why have none of you commented on these booing democrats? You really think democrats don't boo? Or show lack of class?

The thread is called McCain's Concession Speech. Why would we talk about booing Democrats?
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« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2008, 06:19:53 PM »

Quote from: Alefroth on November 07, 2008, 06:05:34 PM

If you'd quit trying to figure out whose d*** is bigger...

We don't need to figure that out.  My dick is bigger.

Oh, wait, I mixed that up.  I'm just a bigger dick. 

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