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« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2008, 09:51:30 PM »

Ugh... Biden.  Not what I wanted to see.

I'm back to voting for Babar.

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« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2008, 10:10:21 PM »


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Then again - i've heard some people say that Obama needed an attack dog for dealing with a lot of the nonsense that's being said and perhaps Biden might be incredibly entertaining in that role.

Which counters one of the main themes Obama was running on....   he was going to run a 'different' kind of campaign that focused on hope and 'change' instead of how campaigns were run in the past.      I guess what he really meant to say is that he was going to not say anything himself, while sending an army of attack dogs and an attack VP out to do the dirty work for him.

Yeah....   that's change alright.   Roll Eyes
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Well to be fair the people I've heard say that are people here on this board and a few random bloggers. So let's not discredit his campaign just because a few people have "theorized something".

While far both campaigns have gotten a little dirty with a few ads -  I think that overall the general tone of the election so far is a lot more befitting the office than it has been in years gone past.  So there's at least a little more dignity in both campaigns this election than in previous election

(but then again - the big guns will probably won't start firing until sometime mid-sept.)
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« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2008, 10:12:32 PM »

Quote from: msduncan on August 24, 2008, 07:17:23 PM

BTW --  I can't wait for another one of these.

Quote from: YellowKing on August 24, 2008, 07:34:10 PM

Or how about one of these?

Oh, MSD, the fun has just begun for you and I.  icon_twisted

Ugh - I had read something about both incidents but it's still much worse to actually see them.

I'm betting the "I'm smarter than you" one will show up in some republican ad at some point.
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« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2008, 12:27:55 AM »

Quote from: msduncan on August 24, 2008, 05:12:05 PM

Quote from: CSL on August 24, 2008, 03:47:42 AM

Quote from: msduncan on August 23, 2008, 12:35:00 PM

Put her opposite of Biden in a debate, and women everywhere will think he's talking down to her.

So in your world women everywhere are idiots?

Do you know how stupid that sounds.

And please quit calling women idiots.

Are you tone deaf or did I not set my sarcasm levels up high enough.
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« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2008, 01:45:25 AM »

Quote from: CSL on August 25, 2008, 12:27:55 AM

Quote from: msduncan on August 24, 2008, 05:12:05 PM

Quote from: CSL on August 24, 2008, 03:47:42 AM

Quote from: msduncan on August 23, 2008, 12:35:00 PM

Put her opposite of Biden in a debate, and women everywhere will think he's talking down to her.

So in your world women everywhere are idiots?

Do you know how stupid that sounds.

And please quit calling women idiots.

Are you tone deaf or did I not set my sarcasm levels up high enough.

Your volume was high enough, but maybe you need to get your sarcasm hearing checked..........
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« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2008, 02:23:43 PM »

Maybe I am misunderstanding something.

Critics across the political aisle are trying to make this selection of a running mate into a negative, but how many of these critics does  a candidate need to win the votes from, and how likely is winning their vote in the first place if they are across the aisle?

You can't win every vote.  You only need to win +50% of the electoral delegates.  Why should the assessment of people who are never going to vote for him no matter what he does matter in the least?
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« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2008, 02:44:48 PM »

Quote from: the Nightbreeze on August 25, 2008, 02:23:43 PM

Maybe I am misunderstanding something.

Critics across the political aisle are trying to make this selection of a running mate into a negative, but how many of these critics does  a candidate need to win the votes from, and how likely is winning their vote in the first place if they are across the aisle?

You can't win every vote.  You only need to win +50% of the electoral delegates.  Why should the assessment of people who are never going to vote for him no matter what he does matter in the least?

It doesn't.  Many people need to feel validated and so the pick of Biden now becomes the justification for their voting decision. 

However, many of those on the other side of the fence are using this is an "a-ha!" moment to point out that Obama isn't really an agent of change.  It'll be the same reaction that Dems have if (when) McCain picks a neocon-Bushie loyalist running mate - they'll be pointing out how that selection "confirms" their position that McCain's 1st term really is Bush's 3rd.
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« Reply #47 on: August 25, 2008, 03:26:06 PM »

Quote from: Blackadar on August 25, 2008, 02:44:48 PM

However, many of those on the other side of the fence are using this is an "a-ha!" moment to point out that Obama isn't really an agent of change.

Yeah, it's just pure concern trolling.  As though a) republicans wanted to be helpful, and b) they wouldn't have said the same thing about any running mate that Obama chose.  "Oh, he chose Bayh?  He's clearly just pandering to the centrist democrats and is afraid of losing the midwest."  "Oh, he chose Sebelius?  He's clearly just pandering to the female voters."  "Oh, he chose Wesley Clark?  He's just trying to shore up some military credentials."
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« Reply #48 on: August 25, 2008, 03:50:25 PM »

I dunno - to me, the selection of Biden is a lot like when Gore selected Lieberman to be his running mate: it completely turns me off to the ticket.  Now nothing will turn me off to the point where I'll vote for McCain, but it will more than likely prevent me from voting for either.

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« Reply #49 on: August 25, 2008, 03:55:48 PM »

Quote from: the Nightbreeze on August 25, 2008, 02:23:43 PM

Maybe I am misunderstanding something.

Critics across the political aisle are trying to make this selection of a running mate into a negative
You are misunderstanding something.

First, it's not just republicans who are "trying to make this selection of a running mate into a negative." Biden isn't exactly thrilling for democrats either.

Second, just as there are undoubtedly republicans who will try to turn Biden into a negative, there are democrats who will try to turn it into a positive.

Third, there are many out there, like myself, who are not yet committed to either candidate. I personally find it best to read as many points of view as I can.

Fourth, you can't blame people for shouting hypocrisy when the one theme of Obama's campaign has been as an outsider wanting to bring change. Biden is about the longest serving Washington insider he could find. And Biden voted for the war and the surge.
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« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2008, 04:05:06 PM »

Quote from: gellar on August 25, 2008, 03:50:25 PM

I dunno - to me, the selection of Biden is a lot like when Gore selected Lieberman to be his running mate: it completely turns me off to the ticket.  Now nothing will turn me off to the point where I'll vote for McCain, but it will more than likely prevent me from voting for either.

What do you find offputting about Biden?  He's a longtime Senator, obviously; is your concern that that deviates from the change mantra?  I think he'd be a pretty solid vice president, particularly given his acknowledged expertise in the foreign policy realm.  Obama says he doesn't intend to delegate energy policy or foreign policy to a deputy, unlike El Presidente, but during the search he said he wanted someone "who's independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House," and I think Biden won't shy away from that role.  He's obviously not a yes man.

Oh, and he's not afraid to admit his mistakes (see his war vote, the '88 plagiarism thing, etc).  That's very appealing in a politician.
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« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2008, 04:47:43 PM »

Well, at the risk of giving some people on these boards a bit more ammo, it's largely because he rubs me the wrong way on technical issues.  Similar to Leiberman, who was by all means a pretty good politician, there are just certain stances I cannot get on board with.

cnet heavily biased article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/cnet/20080824/tc_cnet/83011357831002416338

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He sponsored a bill in 2002 that would have make it a federal felony to trick certain types of devices into playing unauthorized music or executing unapproved computer programs. Biden's bill was backed by content companies including News Corp. but eventually died after Verizon, Microsoft, Apple, eBay, and Yahoo lobbied against it.

I love when gubment tries to tell me when and how I can use my own data and equipment.

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Biden signed a letter that urged the Justice Department "to prosecute individuals who intentionally allow mass copying from their computer over peer-to-peer networks." Critics of this approach said that the Motion Picture Association of America and the Recording Industry Association of America, and not taxpayers, should pay for their own lawsuits.

I can't use taxpayer funds to sue people, why should they?

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Biden sponsored an RIAA-backed bill called the Perform Act aimed at restricting Americans' ability to record and play back individual songs from satellite and Internet radio services. (The RIAA sued XM Satellite Radio over precisely this point.)

Silly.

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In our 2006 Technology Voters' Guide, which ranked Senate votes from July 1998 through May 2005, Biden received a mere 37.5 percent score because of his support for Internet filters in schools and libraries and occasional support for Internet taxes.

Don't mind the internet filters so much as I do the taxes.

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In the 1990s, Biden was chairman of the Judiciary Committee and introduced a bill called the Comprehensive Counter-Terrorism Act, which the EFF says he was "persuaded" to do by the FBI. A second Biden bill was called the Violent Crime Control Act. Both were staunchly anti-encryption, with this identical language:

It is the sense of Congress that providers of electronic communications services and manufacturers of electronic communications service equipment shall ensure that communications systems permit the government to obtain the plain text contents of voice, data, and other communications when appropriately authorized by law.

Encryption = encrypted to everyone but gubment.

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Biden's bill -- and the threat of encryption being outlawed -- is what spurred Phil Zimmermann to write PGP, thereby kicking off a historic debate about export controls, national security, and privacy. Zimmermann, who's now busy developing Zfone, says it was Biden's legislation "that led me to publish PGP electronically for free that year, shortly before the measure was defeated after vigorous protest by civil libertarians and industry groups."

At least it gave me free PGP, I guess.

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Biden has switched from complaining about Internet baby-food bombs to taking aim at peer-to-peer networks. He held one Foreign Relations committee hearing in February 2002 titled "Theft of American Intellectual Property" and invited executives from the Justice Department, RIAA, MPAA, and Microsoft to speak. Not one Internet company, P2P network, or consumer group was invited to testify.

Biased?

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Biden returned to the business of targeting P2P networks this year. In April, he proposed spending $1 billion in U.S. tax dollars so police can monitor peer-to-peer networks for illegal activity. He made that suggestion after a Wyoming cop demonstrated a proof-of-concept program called "Operation Fairplay" at a hearing before a Senate Judiciary subcommittee.

Needle + Haystack.

What's funny is - these are pretty counter to Obama's stances on these same subjects.

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« Reply #52 on: August 25, 2008, 04:54:50 PM »

Ah, yeah.  That's all totally fair game - I was wondering if your objection was on a general basis (not exciting enough, etc), or a specific one.

As you might imagine, my preferences with respect to those issues mirror yours; they're less urgent to me than the immensely important overall concern of electing a democrat, so I'll remind myself that Obama's in favor of the tech policies I care about (which he is, see here and here), and that with Biden out of the senate and in the Naval Observatory, he won't be authoring any more bills. slywink
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« Reply #53 on: August 25, 2008, 04:59:10 PM »

Yeah I definitely agree that Obama (standalone) is the best choice for the tech generation, but that is also due to the fact that I'm not sure McCain knows what the internets is.  It's just disappointing that the Dems can't get a ticket I can get 100% behind.

In the end, my choice of apathy is largely a symbolic one.  I'm in California - my vote doesn't matter anyway slywink.  If it did, I'd probably still walk out and vote for Obama.

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« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2008, 06:45:40 PM »

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He sponsored a bill in 2002 that would have make it a federal felony to trick certain types of devices into playing unauthorized music or executing unapproved computer programs. Biden's bill was backed by content companies including News Corp. but eventually died after Verizon, Microsoft, Apple, eBay, and Yahoo lobbied against it.

I love when gubment tries to tell me when and how I can use my own data and equipment.

I understand most of the other concerns you posted, but this one is either poorly written by C|Net, or I'm misunderstanding it.  Do you actually *want* other companies to be able to trick your equipment into automatically playing their music or installing their spyware?

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« Reply #55 on: August 25, 2008, 06:48:31 PM »

It was poorly written by Cnet.  Here's their reporting from back when he proposed the bill.  Their objection is not that other people can't hack your device, but that you yourself can't hack it.

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A few weeks later, Biden introduced a bill titled the "Anticounterfeiting Amendments of 2002." It originally targeted the kind of large-scale pirates who manufacture fake Windows holograms, but in a little-noticed move this month before being sent to the Senate floor, the proposed legislation was rewritten to encompass technology used in digital rights management.

Biden's new bill would make it a federal felony to try and trick certain types of devices into playing your music or running your computer program. Breaking this law--even if it's to share music by your own garage band--could land you in prison for up to five years. And that's not counting the civil penalties of up to $25,000 per offense.

"Say I've got an MP3 collection and I buy a new nifty player from Microsoft that only plays watermarked content, and I forge the watermark to allow my legal MP3 collection to play," says Jessica Litman, who teaches intellectual property law at Wayne State University. "It is certainly the case that if I pass that around, I could be trafficking (in violation of the law)."

It was overreaching on the part of the content companies (again).

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« Reply #56 on: August 25, 2008, 08:39:54 PM »

If nothing else Biden will provide some entertaining quotes.  He defiantly shoots from the hip. I think he was about as safe a VP pick as Obama could have chosen.  Honestly outside of Hillary I don't think anyone he would have chosen would have moved the polls one or the other.  I would have liked to have seen a younger guy who would have a chance to run after an assumed Obama 8 years in office.  Biden isn't that guy.  I was really hoping Gore would be the choice even though I knew there was no chance he would have accepted it.

I think an Obama/Gore ticket would have been a lock to win.
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« Reply #57 on: August 25, 2008, 09:45:21 PM »

I can't say I'm overly thrilled with the Biden choice.  He's a safe pick and can fill the role that Obama wants him to play.  I certainly don't agree with him on some civil liberties issues (including restrictions on D&E procedures), his pro-RIAA suckup stance, building the Berlin Border Wall and his support of the Patriot Police State Act.  But he certainly knows what's required in a Presidential election and he can play the attack dog role that will be needed in this campaign - a role Obama has been reluctant to play himself since it doesn't fit in with the "change" motto. 

He's a Gerald Ford type choice who has enough experience that no one should get nervous if his finger happens to end up on the button.  I'd have preferred Gore or Richardson.  I used to be a Hillary supporter, but after her actions during and after the Primary, I'm glad to see her sitting this one out. 
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« Reply #58 on: August 26, 2008, 01:16:38 PM »

Quote from: msduncan on August 23, 2008, 12:35:00 PM

Quote from: Brendan on August 23, 2008, 04:53:00 AM

CNN's now reporting that it'll be Biden.  If true, whatever else happens, there'll at least be some decent one-liners from here on out.  VP debates could be pretty entertaining.

With this chess move, the right move for McCain would be Whitman.    Put her opposite of Biden in a debate, and women everywhere will think he's talking down to her.     It might also suck up some of the female independents still pissed off about Obama's coronation in the press.

You sure you want McCain to pick a female VP candidate?

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For all the chatter about the pros and cons of picking a female vice president, a new poll commissioned by Lifetime finds that women are not particularly likely to be influenced by the selection of a lady VP. In the poll, 55% of women say that Obama’s selection of a female running mate would make no difference to their voting choice, and 62% said the same of McCain. (A Republican woman VP could actually hurt McCain. A full 20% responded that they would be LESS likely to support the GOP nominee if he selected a female on the ticket.)
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« Reply #59 on: August 26, 2008, 01:54:30 PM »

Picking Christine Todd Whitman would doom the Republican ticket.  Her book beat up the Bush Administration (pissing off the neocons) and her stance on D&E abortion would infuriate the Religious Right.  Combine that with her claim about the air being fine after 9/11 and she's damaged goods.

I'm not saying I would mind if he picked her.  In fact, I think she'd probably be pretty damn good.  But I don't think there's any way that'll happen.
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« Reply #60 on: August 26, 2008, 02:03:51 PM »

msduncan doesn't want that Whitman.  He wants the one who presided over the rise and subsequent dampening of ebay.  I'm not sure what her qualifications for VP would be, but she's interested in running for Governor of California, so there must be some political ambition there.  As McCain is fond of saying, when discussing the "new economy":

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Never mind that those 1.3 million people aren't introducing any money into the economy.  Oh, plus it's not really true.
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« Reply #61 on: August 26, 2008, 02:29:06 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on August 25, 2008, 06:48:31 PM

It was poorly written by Cnet.  Here's their reporting from back when he proposed the bill.  Their objection is not that other people can't hack your device, but that you yourself can't hack it.

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A few weeks later, Biden introduced a bill titled the "Anticounterfeiting Amendments of 2002." It originally targeted the kind of large-scale pirates who manufacture fake Windows holograms, but in a little-noticed move this month before being sent to the Senate floor, the proposed legislation was rewritten to encompass technology used in digital rights management.

Biden's new bill would make it a federal felony to try and trick certain types of devices into playing your music or running your computer program. Breaking this law--even if it's to share music by your own garage band--could land you in prison for up to five years. And that's not counting the civil penalties of up to $25,000 per offense.

"Say I've got an MP3 collection and I buy a new nifty player from Microsoft that only plays watermarked content, and I forge the watermark to allow my legal MP3 collection to play," says Jessica Litman, who teaches intellectual property law at Wayne State University. "It is certainly the case that if I pass that around, I could be trafficking (in violation of the law)."

It was overreaching on the part of the content companies (again).



Thank you: it makes a lot more sense why gellar wouldn't like that.  C|Net should really reword their article.

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« Reply #62 on: August 28, 2008, 01:23:48 PM »

I thought Biden did a great job last night - a few minor verbal flubs, but he's clearly going to appeal to voters who like a little more plain-speaking in their politicians.  It's nice that he has the credibility to say that he and McCain are friends, before twisting the knife repeatedly:  "John thinks that during the Bush years "we've made great progress economically." I think it's been abysmal."

Also, Kerry gave the best speech I think he's capable of giving.  If only he'd been that excited in 2004.
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« Reply #63 on: August 28, 2008, 04:41:05 PM »

This week has reminded me of what a giant waste of time these conventions really are.

IMHO here is a pretty good article from Glen Beck about the Democratic convention.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/27/beck.conventions/index.html

 
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Michelle Obama: "That's why I left a job at a law firm for a career in public service, working to empower young people to volunteer in their communities."

Michelle Obama's chosen career path led her to make $275,000 per year at a private hospital. Is that really a "public service" job?

It seems to me that a Republican wouldn't be able to get away with such a generous assessment of their résumé. They would surely be harassed for making a six-figure salary inside the evil health care industry, while millions suffer without insurance.

But hey, there's nothing wrong with making money, at least to me. And remember, she didn't say she was volunteering. She said she was "working to empower young people to volunteer," which is totally different.


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Joe Biden: "Even today, as oil companies post the biggest profits in history ... John wants to give them another $4 billion in tax breaks."

Here is the justification behind this talking point:

1.) John McCain wants to cut corporate income taxes for all companies.

2.) Oil companies are companies.

That's it.

Democrats believe that you think oil companies are mean, so they single them out, hoping you think McCain has cut a special deal just for them. He hasn't.

I guess it's really hard to drum up anger against your opponent when you say, "John McCain wants to cut taxes for companies that make delicious ice cream sundaes, feed the puppies of toddlers and fix veterans' wheelchairs," but that's just as truthful as what Biden said.


I am quite confident that the Republican convention with be an even bigger waste of time and resources.

I want to see what Obama and McCain have to say because they will be the ones actually on the ballot.  But everybody else's speeches will be forgotten 5 minutes after the conventions are over.
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« Reply #64 on: August 28, 2008, 04:51:45 PM »

Regarding Michelle Obama's career, Beck (and this is no surprise) leaves out most of it:

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Following law school, she was an associate at the Chicago office of the law firm Sidley Austin where she first met her husband. At the firm, she worked on marketing and intellectual property.  Subsequently, she held public sector positions in the Chicago city government as an Assistant to the Mayor and Assistant Commissioner of Planning and Development. In 1993, she became Executive Director for the Chicago office of Public Allies, a non-profit organization encouraging young people to work on social issues in nonprofit groups and government agencies.

In 1996, Obama served as the Associate Dean of Student Services at the University of Chicago, where she developed the University's Community Service Center.  In 2002, she began working for the University of Chicago Hospitals, first as executive director for community affairs and, beginning May, 2005, as Vice President for Community and External Affairs. She still holds the position, though she is working part time in order to devote more time to being a mother.

So, yes, she left a job at a law firm for a career in public service, working to empower young people to volunteer in their communities.  Did she get paid?  Yes.  Was her statement in any way misleading?  No.
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« Reply #65 on: August 28, 2008, 04:54:59 PM »

Quote from: denoginizer on August 28, 2008, 04:41:05 PM

This week has reminded me of what a giant waste of time politics really are.

Fix0red.

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« Reply #66 on: August 29, 2008, 12:38:28 AM »

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Yes.  Was her statement in any way misleading?
Yes.

Can you be non-partisan under any circumstances at all?   Maybe if a Democrat shot someone in the face perhaps?   

......   nah.  you'd probably blame it on the gun.
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« Reply #67 on: August 29, 2008, 12:52:14 AM »

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Yes.  Was her statement in any way misleading?
Yes.

Please point out, explicitly, any errors or elisions in this statement:

"I left a job at a law firm for a career in public service, working to empower young people to volunteer in their communities."

Given this information:

"She held public sector positions in the Chicago city government as an Assistant to the Mayor and Assistant Commissioner of Planning and Development. In 1993, she became Executive Director for the Chicago office of Public Allies, a non-profit organization encouraging young people to work on social issues in nonprofit groups and government agencies."
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« Reply #68 on: August 29, 2008, 12:55:05 AM »

Back on topic, the conservative sites are saying McCain's choice for tomorrow is Pawlenty.  Intrade has Pawlenty trading way ahead of Romney.

Hello Minnesota!

Hmm - now they're all speculating that it's Palin; apparently a Gulfstream flew from Anchorage to Cincinnati and some people were hustled off into waiting vans.  She'd be an interesting pick for a few obvious reasons, but she's currently embroiled in a scandal back in Alaska where she's accused of firing the Public Safety Commissioner for refusing to fire her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper.
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« Reply #69 on: August 29, 2008, 01:41:43 AM »

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Yes.  Was her statement in any way misleading?
Yes.

Can you be non-partisan under any circumstances at all?   Maybe if a Democrat shot someone in the face perhaps?   

......   nah.  you'd probably blame it on the gun.

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« Reply #70 on: August 29, 2008, 03:39:00 AM »

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Yes.  Was her statement in any way misleading?
Yes.

Please point out, explicitly, any errors or elisions in this statement:

"I left a job at a law firm for a career in public service, working to empower young people to volunteer in their communities."

Given this information:

"She held public sector positions in the Chicago city government as an Assistant to the Mayor and Assistant Commissioner of Planning and Development. In 1993, she became Executive Director for the Chicago office of Public Allies, a non-profit organization encouraging young people to work on social issues in nonprofit groups and government agencies."


I think the point is if a Republican had made the same statement under the same circumstances many liberals would be calling shenanegans.  And they would be right to do so.  It has to go both ways. 
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« Reply #71 on: August 29, 2008, 04:24:37 AM »

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Yes.  Was her statement in any way misleading?
Yes.

Please point out, explicitly, any errors or elisions in this statement:

"I left a job at a law firm for a career in public service, working to empower young people to volunteer in their communities."

Given this information:

"She held public sector positions in the Chicago city government as an Assistant to the Mayor and Assistant Commissioner of Planning and Development. In 1993, she became Executive Director for the Chicago office of Public Allies, a non-profit organization encouraging young people to work on social issues in nonprofit groups and government agencies."

As much as it pains me, I have to agree with Brendan on this. Her statement was in no way whatsoever misleading. Beck made sure to point out she eventually landed a job making $275,000 a year. So what? A republican, given the same background who said the same thing, would be taken to task for the utterance? So what? That'd be wrong too.

It strikes me that people who -have- are very well suited to help those who -have not-. Since when do you have to live in the streets in order to have legitimacy when you work on programs to help people out? Hell, according to McCain, $275K a year is 20 times under the cap for what he considers to be middle-class. To him, that must be poverty!

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« Reply #72 on: August 29, 2008, 01:17:54 PM »

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Back on topic, the conservative sites are saying McCain's choice for tomorrow is Pawlenty.  Intrade has Pawlenty trading way ahead of Romney.

Hello Minnesota!

Hmm - now they're all speculating that it's Palin; apparently a Gulfstream flew from Anchorage to Cincinnati and some people were hustled off into waiting vans.  She'd be an interesting pick for a few obvious reasons, but she's currently embroiled in a scandal back in Alaska where she's accused of firing the Public Safety Commissioner for refusing to fire her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper.
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« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2008, 02:49:34 PM »

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WASHINGTON - Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain has chosen Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, NBC News has learned.
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« Reply #74 on: August 29, 2008, 03:20:35 PM »

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DAYTON, Ohio — John McCain plans to tap Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate Friday, selecting the first female vice presidential candidate in Republican Party history.


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« Reply #75 on: August 29, 2008, 03:29:35 PM »

Palin's been governor for less than 2 years, and prior to that was the mayor of Wasilla, AK (population ~7000).  Just a month ago, she said she wasn't sure what the VP actually does.  I will be very interested to see the VP debates, as this truly does undercut McCain's campaign's "not enough experience!" meme.

This whole thing strikes me as a pander to the base - McCain, by most accounts, wanted Lieberman or Ridge but was overruled by his advisors who said he needed a game changer to keep up with Obama.  She doesn't deviate much from standard conservative positions on choice, ANWR, gay marriage, etc (as far as anyone knows, at least), so she pulls McCain back towards the orthodox republican crowd.

I don't think many would-be Hillary voters will be swayed, but I guess we'll see.
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« Reply #76 on: August 29, 2008, 04:03:49 PM »

Bad choice for McCain, but great for us Obama supporters.  icon_biggrin thumbsup
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« Reply #77 on: August 29, 2008, 04:09:45 PM »

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Bad choice for McCain, but great for us Obama supporters.  icon_biggrin thumbsup

that's what I was thinking.  unless there's some surprise it's almost like he wants to hand the election to us.
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« Reply #78 on: August 29, 2008, 04:23:48 PM »

I'm guessing alot of people turned McCain down if he picked Palin.

Nothing kills a political career like being a VP on a losing ticket.
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« Reply #79 on: August 29, 2008, 04:27:02 PM »

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I'm guessing alot of people turned McCain down if he picked Palin.

Nothing kills a political career like being a VP on a losing ticket.

Well said.
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