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« on: August 19, 2008, 09:43:29 PM »

Ok, so who are the veeps going to be?  Place your bets!

Obama - He has a fair number of choices, but many of them have taken themselves out of the running.  I think Hillary's speech on the last primary night and her lack of enthusiasm will doom her chances.  Edwards...well, he's gone.  Wesley Clark's constant verbal blunders don't help him at all.  Webb removed himself from consideration.  That leaves a smaller group - but I think ultimately it's Bill Richardson.  Richardson should help with the key hispanic demographic group, balances out McCain's regional advantage and has more foreign affairs experience than virtually anyone (including both Presidential candidates). 

McCain - I've said it before - McCain has a problem with his selection.  If he goes too far right, he runs the risk of losing the independents he needs to win the election.  If he goes too far left, he runs the risk of losing the money and organization of the Religious Right.  I think if he had his way, a strong female Veep candidate would be the way to go.  But there aren't many women in the Republican party that can really help him - Kay Bailey Hutchenson would probably be the strongest candidate, but McCain isn't losing Texas.  Conservatives don't trust Romney, never mind Lieberman.  Huckabee is too far right and would turn off independents.  Given the demographics of the election in 2008, the one thing McCain can't do is lose Florida.  Therefore, Charlie Crist gets the nod over Mark Sanford.
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 09:56:10 PM »

Biden sounds like the conventional wisdom for Obama at this point.  I don't think he's the guy, given his pro-war stance on the mess in Iraq and the u-turn he'd represent from the "change" candidate.  Dodd was apparently in the running, but the specious press about his mortgage may have torpedoed him (which is too bad given his strong civil libertarian principles as witnessed with his efforts to fix the FISA bill).  I could see Richardson for sure, but I'm going to guess it'll be Tim Kaine or Kathleen Sibelius.  I guess I'll guess Kaine.

As much as I hope McCain chooses Lieberman, Romney (please! please!), or cuh-razy Bobby Jindal, I suspect he'll take Pawlenty given his general affability and modest anti-tax credentials.  The Club for Growthers won't be pleased, but they'll never trust McCain.  The base won't take anyone who's not rigidly pro-life given the response to the trial balloons McCain floated last week.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2008, 09:58:05 PM »

Obama - Biden's getting the buzz right now, and may be the best option.  He could use an attack dog to counter the more effective than I thought it would be Republican attack campaign, and he shores up some weak areas personality-wise.

McCain - I'm completely at a loss here.  The left field choice in my head is Newt Gingrich, though his affairs and ethics charges are probably too much baggage, but McCain could use someone with his conservative credentials.
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2008, 10:06:04 PM »

Anyone who uses Pawlentys name and anti tax in the same sentance doesnt have a clue about that idiot.   I made the mistake of voting for him once, never again.   

But on to the actual vp speculation.

Id have to agree with Crist as if McCain loses Florida he is sunk.

For Obama, I think it needs to be someone with a foreign policy expertise, as thats an area he is completely inept in.   Richardson seems to fit that bill and he did support Obama earlier then some others did.
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2008, 10:08:41 PM »

Quote from: brettmcd on August 19, 2008, 10:06:04 PM

Anyone who uses Pawlentys name and anti tax in the same sentance doesnt have a clue about that idiot.

I'm going to take Grover Norquist's approval of Pawlenty over your anecdotal claim.
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2008, 10:14:57 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on August 19, 2008, 10:08:41 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on August 19, 2008, 10:06:04 PM

Anyone who uses Pawlentys name and anti tax in the same sentance doesnt have a clue about that idiot.

I'm going to take Grover Norquist's approval of Pawlenty over your anecdotal claim.

Fine ill give you an actual example that you will promptly ignore, as usual, as i actually do live in the state of Minnesota under this idiot.   Not sure why I am wasting the time on you but maybe others will actually find it useful.

Pawlenty ran on a no new taxes pledge to get himself elected.   Once elected to make up a budget shortfall he supported raising the tobacco tax, but so he could still run and say he kept his no new taxes pledge, he made sure it had to be called a 'health impact fee' so he could claim he never raised taxes still.   And he expected nonsense like that to be accepted like we are a bunch of idiots.   From that point on I couldnt bring myself to support someone like him again,    Honestly im as upset about the rank dishonesty of what he did as I am about the actual taxes being raised.

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2008, 10:17:27 PM »

From the article I linked for you:

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Another recipient of kind words as a veep prospect was Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota; Norquist praised his record on taxes save for one "mistake" -- approving a hike in state cigarette taxes in years past.

Grover forgave, but not brettmcd.  So sad.
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2008, 10:20:24 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on August 19, 2008, 10:17:27 PM

From the article I linked for you:

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Another recipient of kind words as a veep prospect was Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota; Norquist praised his record on taxes save for one "mistake" -- approving a hike in state cigarette taxes in years past.

Grover forgave, but not brettmcd.  So sad.

As expected you ignored what I wrote, so sad, and typical of you.
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2008, 10:25:36 PM »

This reminds me of when I first encountered Eliza with her pre-programmed but human-seeming responses.

I read the entirety of what you wrote and responded directly to it, champ.  Grover Norquist, as staunch an anti-tax fiend as there is, acknowledged your exact complaint (a hike in cigarette taxes), and yet he says Pawlenty makes the grade.  Given the overriding concerns of the republican base, that qualifies Pawlenty for VP, as he's also pro-life.  Not that you'll vote for the McCain ticket anyway, as you're not a republican.
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2008, 10:39:08 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on August 19, 2008, 10:25:36 PM

This reminds me of when I first encountered Eliza with her pre-programmed but human-seeming responses.

I read the entirety of what you wrote and responded directly to it, champ.  Grover Norquist, as staunch an anti-tax fiend as there is, acknowledged your exact complaint (a hike in cigarette taxes), and yet he says Pawlenty makes the grade.  Given the overriding concerns of the republican base, that qualifies Pawlenty for VP, as he's also pro-life.  Not that you'll vote for the McCain ticket anyway, as you're not a republican.

It was far more the cute little changing of the name of a tax to a fee so he could claim he kept his no new taxes pledge that makes me unable to support Pawlenty anymore.    But again ignore where i differed completely from the idiot you posted who thinks pawlenty is just fine.  Your claim that you responded directly to what I posted is sadly wrong.   
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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2008, 12:15:43 AM »

Quote from: brettmcd on August 19, 2008, 10:39:08 PM

Quote from: Brendan on August 19, 2008, 10:25:36 PM

This reminds me of when I first encountered Eliza with her pre-programmed but human-seeming responses.

I read the entirety of what you wrote and responded directly to it, champ.  Grover Norquist, as staunch an anti-tax fiend as there is, acknowledged your exact complaint (a hike in cigarette taxes), and yet he says Pawlenty makes the grade.  Given the overriding concerns of the republican base, that qualifies Pawlenty for VP, as he's also pro-life.  Not that you'll vote for the McCain ticket anyway, as you're not a republican.

It was far more the cute little changing of the name of a tax to a fee so he could claim he kept his no new taxes pledge that makes me unable to support Pawlenty anymore.    But again ignore where i differed completely from the idiot you posted who thinks pawlenty is just fine.  Your claim that you responded directly to what I posted is sadly wrong.   

Um, then what is a direct response? 

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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2008, 12:18:24 AM »

Also, for anyone who said Biden...he said today he's not the guy.  That could be a ruse, of course.
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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2008, 12:20:49 AM »

Quote from: Blackadar on August 20, 2008, 12:18:24 AM

Also, for anyone who said Biden...he said today he's not the guy.  That could be a ruse, of course.

Yeah, I saw that; He's still up quite a bit on Intrade today.
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2008, 01:02:49 AM »

Quote from: Brendan on August 19, 2008, 09:56:10 PM

Biden sounds like the conventional wisdom for Obama at this point.  I don't think he's the guy, given his pro-war stance on the mess in Iraq and the u-turn he'd represent from the "change" candidate.  Dodd was apparently in the running, but the specious press about his mortgage may have torpedoed him (which is too bad given his strong civil libertarian principles as witnessed with his efforts to fix the FISA bill).  I could see Richardson for sure, but I'm going to guess it'll be Tim Kaine or Kathleen Sibelius.  I guess I'll guess Kaine.

As much as I hope McCain chooses Lieberman, Romney (please! please!), or cuh-razy Bobby Jindal, I suspect he'll take Pawlenty given his general affability and modest anti-tax credentials.  The Club for Growthers won't be pleased, but they'll never trust McCain.  The base won't take anyone who's not rigidly pro-life given the response to the trial balloons McCain floated last week.

Bobby Jindal is a rising star of the Republican party.   You better fear him rather than ridicule him.
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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2008, 01:03:45 AM »

My predictions:

Obama -- Hillary Rodam Clinton
McCain -- Kay Bailey Hutchinson
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2008, 01:08:17 AM »

Quote from: msduncan on August 20, 2008, 01:02:49 AM

Bobby Jindal is a rising star of the Republican party.   You better fear him rather than ridicule him.

Oh, I definitely fear that he'll get elected to national office, but that doesn't mean I should stop ridiculing him for performing exorcisms and attempting to justify creationism as a legitimate science.  I would love it if McCain picked him.  What great ad campaigns we'd see!

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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2008, 01:20:23 AM »

Quote from: msduncan on August 20, 2008, 01:03:45 AM

Obama -- Hillary Rodam Clinton

they've been pretty buddy buddy lately, so that's my guess too.
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2008, 02:15:26 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on August 20, 2008, 01:20:23 AM

Quote from: msduncan on August 20, 2008, 01:03:45 AM

Obama -- Hillary Rodam Clinton

they've been pretty buddy buddy lately, so that's my guess too.

I left this up on the computer, and my wife just informed my drunk ass that it's Rodham, not Rodam.   

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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2008, 02:44:47 AM »

Obama is gonna pick Bill Richardson.  He's got experience but not the insider label that Biden's stuck with.

I don't know who Mccain is going to pick.  I hope he goes with Romney just because I want to be sure the evangelicals sit this election out. 
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2008, 10:28:26 AM »

Obama won't pick either Clinton or Richardson because he isn't an idiot. I'll go forward and say he goes and takes either Biden (20%), Bayh (30%), Kaine (40%), or my darkhorse favorite Hagel (10%).
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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2008, 01:54:04 PM »

I don't even know who most of these people are. I'll start paying attention after they pick their running mates. Until then, it's all just background noise as they pander for position.
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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2008, 05:50:04 PM »

Obama : Evan Bayh. As long as it's not Hillary I'll be happy.

McCain : Tom Ridge. McCain's choice is obviously more important given his age.
 
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2008, 01:05:18 AM »

Quote from: msduncan on August 20, 2008, 01:02:49 AM

Bobby Jindal is a rising star of the Republican party.   You better fear him rather than ridicule him.

I'm a moderate, frequent Republican voter, but I have to agree with Brendan here. I'd have a hard time voting for anyone who seriously wants to teach creationism in public schools.

My picks:
Obama: Biden. Obama needs an attack dog right now.
McCain: Romney. Christian conservatives whine quite a bit about his Mormonism, but they'll fall into line with the rest of the Republican party because of his believed conservative credentials.
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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2008, 04:53:00 AM »

CNN's now reporting that it'll be Biden.  If true, whatever else happens, there'll at least be some decent one-liners from here on out.  VP debates could be pretty entertaining.
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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2008, 05:00:18 AM »

Well, that settles that, then. Sorry Obama, you lost your chance to win over this conservative. Biden has been fairly level-headed on Iraq, but the guy has always rubbed me the wrong way.

Of course, I reserve the right to change my opinion if McCain ends up choosing an equal or worse douchebag.  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2008, 05:07:15 AM »

He can be abrasive for sure.  I'm interested to see how much of his off-the-cuff attack dog routine they'll let him run with.  He's a gaffe machine but people seem to like his straightforwardness.
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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2008, 07:32:26 AM »

Yay for Biden!

He may have made a better Sec. of State - but on the whole its a good choice compared to what was supposeded the field of vetted.
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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2008, 12:35:00 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on August 23, 2008, 04:53:00 AM

CNN's now reporting that it'll be Biden.  If true, whatever else happens, there'll at least be some decent one-liners from here on out.  VP debates could be pretty entertaining.

With this chess move, the right move for McCain would be Whitman.    Put her opposite of Biden in a debate, and women everywhere will think he's talking down to her.     It might also suck up some of the female independents still pissed off about Obama's coronation in the press.
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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2008, 01:01:55 PM »

Whitman would be great - then we'd hear lots more about all the Americans who make their living off of ebay.  But she's pro-choice, so it probably won't happen.
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« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2008, 02:15:06 PM »

they decided to send out the text message about the choice early this morning.  At about 3:18am my iPhone went off with the notification-  good thing I was still up or it'd have disturbed my sleep.
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« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2008, 03:47:42 AM »

Quote from: msduncan on August 23, 2008, 12:35:00 PM

Put her opposite of Biden in a debate, and women everywhere will think he's talking down to her.

So in your world women everywhere are idiots?

Do you know how stupid that sounds.
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« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2008, 03:53:10 AM »

Quote from: CSL on August 24, 2008, 03:47:42 AM

So in your world women everywhere are idiots?

Do you know how stupid that sounds.
Did you see how much women went apeshit for Hillary?
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« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2008, 03:58:39 AM »

Quote from: cheeba on August 24, 2008, 03:53:10 AM

Quote from: CSL on August 24, 2008, 03:47:42 AM

So in your world women everywhere are idiots?

Do you know how stupid that sounds.
Did you see how much women went apeshit for Hillary?

Makes all women idiots of course.
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« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2008, 04:40:33 AM »

Oddly, the only person calling women idiots in this thread is CSL. Perhaps he's drunk again?
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« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2008, 03:19:12 PM »

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Makes all women idiots of course.
Because qualifiers must always be used every single time or someone will always take it to its extreme, even when it's clearly asinine to do so, right?
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« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2008, 05:12:05 PM »

Quote from: CSL on August 24, 2008, 03:47:42 AM

Quote from: msduncan on August 23, 2008, 12:35:00 PM

Put her opposite of Biden in a debate, and women everywhere will think he's talking down to her.

So in your world women everywhere are idiots?

Do you know how stupid that sounds.

Have you ever heard Biden talk to anyone?   

And please quit calling women idiots.
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« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2008, 06:45:51 PM »

I freely admit that I haven't followed politics much since getting out of the Marines, so I don't know that much about Joe Biden - other than the occasional blip on the radar every so often.

That being said. For some reason I feel a bit disappointed by Obama choosing him. It just doesn't feel like an energizing choice. I would say it almost feels like the "safe" choice - looking for someone on the ticket to counter-act the negative areas that he's been attacked on of experience,  foreign policy,  etc.

Don't get me wrong - I'm sure things will work out, but I guess it just sort of feels like all the incredible momentum Barack had earlier in the year for change has been fizzling out a bit and I'm not sure that announcing Biden as his running mate is going to help bring any of that back.

Then again - i've heard some people say that Obama needed an attack dog for dealing with a lot of the nonsense that's being said and perhaps Biden might be incredibly entertaining in that role.
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« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2008, 07:06:07 PM »

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Don't get me wrong - I'm sure things will work out, but I guess it just sort of feels like all the incredible momentum Barack had earlier in the year for change has been fizzling out a bit and I'm not sure that announcing Biden as his running mate is going to help bring any of that back.

It's fizzling because all he has done is make speeches about 'change' without saying what he is going to actually do.    When he does actually point to what he is going to do.... people start wondering how wealth redistribution is in any way a good idea....

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Then again - i've heard some people say that Obama needed an attack dog for dealing with a lot of the nonsense that's being said and perhaps Biden might be incredibly entertaining in that role.

Which counters one of the main themes Obama was running on....   he was going to run a 'different' kind of campaign that focused on hope and 'change' instead of how campaigns were run in the past.      I guess what he really meant to say is that he was going to not say anything himself, while sending an army of attack dogs and an attack VP out to do the dirty work for him.

Yeah....   that's change alright.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2008, 07:17:23 PM »

BTW --  I can't wait for another one of these.
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« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2008, 07:34:10 PM »

Or how about one of these?

Oh, MSD, the fun has just begun for you and I.  icon_twisted

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