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« Reply #80 on: October 01, 2013, 04:52:21 PM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on October 01, 2013, 04:50:29 PM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on October 01, 2013, 03:32:51 PM

The House will pass a clean CR.

Believe it when I see it.  Boehner can't even rein in his caucus when he needs too

Which is why they'll end up passing a clean CR. In catering to his right flank, Boehner is beginning to lose the middle of his caucus.
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« Reply #81 on: October 01, 2013, 05:24:29 PM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on October 01, 2013, 04:16:26 PM

Quote from: Rip on October 01, 2013, 04:01:08 PM

Situation is what situation is, it didn't get there overnight in a vacuum.

You keep on saying this as if it somehow equivocates the two party's approaches.

You say that as if I feel any need to. They are all pretty much a bunch of worthless crooked douchebags.

They are all acting pretty much in the exact way I have come to expect them to act. ALL of them, I am not the one trying to blame one side.
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« Reply #82 on: October 01, 2013, 05:55:58 PM »

Quote from: Rip on October 01, 2013, 05:24:29 PM

Quote from: th'FOOL on October 01, 2013, 04:16:26 PM

Quote from: Rip on October 01, 2013, 04:01:08 PM

Situation is what situation is, it didn't get there overnight in a vacuum.

You keep on saying this as if it somehow equivocates the two party's approaches.

You say that as if I feel any need to. They are all pretty much a bunch of worthless crooked douchebags.

They are all acting pretty much in the exact way I have come to expect them to act. ALL of them, I am not the one trying to blame one side.

I can agree with this.. There is enough blame for both sides
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« Reply #83 on: October 01, 2013, 06:08:09 PM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on October 01, 2013, 05:55:58 PM

Quote from: Rip on October 01, 2013, 05:24:29 PM

Quote from: th'FOOL on October 01, 2013, 04:16:26 PM

Quote from: Rip on October 01, 2013, 04:01:08 PM

Situation is what situation is, it didn't get there overnight in a vacuum.

You keep on saying this as if it somehow equivocates the two party's approaches.

You say that as if I feel any need to. They are all pretty much a bunch of worthless crooked douchebags.

They are all acting pretty much in the exact way I have come to expect them to act. ALL of them, I am not the one trying to blame one side.

I can agree with this.. There is enough blame for both sides

See, I can't. I'm not saying Dems are squeaky clean, here, but they aren't the ones who are trying yet again to kill a bill that was passed, vetted by the Supreme Court, and unsuccessfully repealed several times already. They lost that battle multiple times yet here we are again, only this time the collateral damage spills beyond just wasting everybody's time. They had plenty of chances and things didn't go their way. Now they want to cut off the nose to spite the face and I think it's pretty asinine.
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« Reply #84 on: October 01, 2013, 06:21:13 PM »

Quote from: Rip on October 01, 2013, 02:57:32 PM

Quote from: Teggy on October 01, 2013, 04:23:45 AM

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Thank the government education system for teaching my wife little to nothing.

You're just trolling us now, right?

She can barely read or write, you tell me.


If your wife can't read or write, that is not the government's fault. You seem to just want to blame the government for everything under the sun.
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« Reply #85 on: October 01, 2013, 06:58:04 PM »

And you and the other liberals and dems seem to think the government is the only possible solution for everything under the sun.
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« Reply #86 on: October 01, 2013, 07:07:56 PM »

Quote from: brettmcd on October 01, 2013, 06:58:04 PM

And you and the other liberals and dems seem to think the government is the only possible solution for everything under the sun.

Really, generalize much?
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« Reply #87 on: October 01, 2013, 07:12:40 PM »

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And you and the other liberals and dems seem to think the government is the only possible solution for everything under the sun.

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« Reply #88 on: October 01, 2013, 07:13:33 PM »

Quote from: Teggy on October 01, 2013, 07:07:56 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on October 01, 2013, 06:58:04 PM

And you and the other liberals and dems seem to think the government is the only possible solution for everything under the sun.

Really, generalize much?

Nope.
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« Reply #89 on: October 01, 2013, 07:14:26 PM »

Quote from: brettmcd on October 01, 2013, 06:58:04 PM

And you and the other liberals and dems seem to think the government is the only possible solution for everything under the sun.

From your perspective we may *seem* to think that. In truth, we don't.
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« Reply #90 on: October 01, 2013, 07:18:01 PM »

Quote from: brettmcd on October 01, 2013, 07:13:33 PM

Quote from: Teggy on October 01, 2013, 07:07:56 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on October 01, 2013, 06:58:04 PM

And you and the other liberals and dems seem to think the government is the only possible solution for everything under the sun.

Really, generalize much?

Nope.

Then you obviously don't understand what the word generalize means. Feel free to search my post history and find all the places I say government should solve all our problems. There are plenty of statements from Rip in just this thread alone stating his beliefs.

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« Reply #91 on: October 01, 2013, 07:36:44 PM »

Quote from: brettmcd on October 01, 2013, 06:58:04 PM

And you and the other liberals and dems seem to think the government is the only possible solution for everything under the sun.


 saywhat 
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« Reply #92 on: October 01, 2013, 07:49:09 PM »

Breaking Gov.
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« Reply #93 on: October 01, 2013, 08:50:15 PM »

Jon Stewart nailed it
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« Reply #94 on: October 01, 2013, 08:57:09 PM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on October 01, 2013, 07:36:44 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on October 01, 2013, 06:58:04 PM

And you and the other liberals and dems seem to think the government is the only possible solution for everything under the sun.


 saywhat 

someone was asleep during the bush administration.
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« Reply #95 on: October 01, 2013, 09:28:42 PM »

The Tale of Wise King Solomon

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Once upon a time, wise King Solomon was holding his monthly court when two young women came before him.  They were squabbling over ownership of a child, and as they were both strangers to his kingdom, none of the townspeople could vouch for who was telling the truth.

"The babe is mine!" cried the first.  "Please, let me have my child back!"

"No, he is mine!" declared the second.  "I beg of you, do not give my child away to this harlot!"

Wise King Solomon listened pensively to each of their stories, and upon stroking his long beard thricely, he announced his decision.  "Both women have made their cases plain but neither can prove ownership of the child.  Therefore, I decree the babe be cleft in two so that each woman may possess a piece."

"Fine by me," said the first woman.

"No!  Please, wise King Solomon, please do not do this!  I...I rescind my claim to the child!  Upon my knees, please allow the baby to live with that woman!"

"Ah ha!" exclaimed wise King Solomon.  "Now we have the truth of it!  Surely this is the baby's true mother!"  The court murmured in awe at wise King Solomon's wisdom.

"Yes, you speak true!" said the second woman.  "Does this mean I can have my child back?"

Wise King Solomon furrowed his brow.  "No, the baby shall be cleft in twain," he explained slowly, "and you shall each take half."

"But...but WHY??"

"Because you are both to blame for failing to reach a compromise.  If you had never had a child, this woman would never have felt the desire to take it.  Each of you bears equal responsibility."

"Shows you right," muttered the first woman smugly.

And at that, the squalling child was bound tightly to the halving board, its shrieks nearly matching those of its mother as she was dragged from the chamber.  The axeman stepped forth, wringing the leather-bound grip of his weapon with his meaty fists.

He was really going to enjoy this.

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« Reply #96 on: October 02, 2013, 02:39:33 AM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on October 01, 2013, 07:36:44 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on October 01, 2013, 06:58:04 PM

And you and the other liberals and dems seem to think the government is the only possible solution for everything under the sun.
saywhat 

Well, it's the best solution for the stuff government does, anyway.

I have a sinking feeling that this shutdown might be my fault. I asked earlier if I had to file my 1040ES by 10/15 if the IRS wasn't open to accept it. When I wrote out the check I realized that it was actually due on 9/15. Q3 is the one time of the year when taxes are due before the quarter ends (for individuals anyway; my business taxes are still due on 10/15). Q3 ends early because the budget year begins on 10/1.

Maybe they wouldn't have had to shut 'er down if I had mailed in my $600 on time.
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« Reply #97 on: October 02, 2013, 07:45:00 AM »

I really love how every headline on Fox news is referring to it as a "slimdown". How partisan can you get. If Republicans invented death panels (and they did in a way), Fox news would probably call it "post-life planning" .
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« Reply #98 on: October 02, 2013, 10:52:09 AM »

Quote from: Rip on October 01, 2013, 05:24:29 PM

Quote from: th'FOOL on October 01, 2013, 04:16:26 PM

Quote from: Rip on October 01, 2013, 04:01:08 PM

Situation is what situation is, it didn't get there overnight in a vacuum.

You keep on saying this as if it somehow equivocates the two party's approaches.

You say that as if I feel any need to. They are all pretty much a bunch of worthless crooked douchebags.

They are all acting pretty much in the exact way I have come to expect them to act. ALL of them, I am not the one trying to blame one side.

You sure? Because this:

Quote from: Rip on October 01, 2013, 04:02:17 PM

By traitor?

speaks volumes about which side you think is to blame.
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« Reply #99 on: October 02, 2013, 12:23:56 PM »

As usual, Jon Stewart made an excellent comparison:



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Did you see the Giants game on Sunday? They lost 31 to 7. And you know what the Giants didn't say after that game: 'If you don't give us 25 more points by midnight on Monday, we will shutdown the f**kin' NFL!' They didn't say that."
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« Reply #100 on: October 02, 2013, 01:36:10 PM »

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As usual, Jon Stewart made an excellent comparison:



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Did you see the Giants game on Sunday? They lost 31 to 7. And you know what the Giants didn't say after that game: 'If you don't give us 25 more points by midnight on Monday, we will shutdown the f**kin' NFL!' They didn't say that."

I know. I said it five posts up Tongue
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« Reply #101 on: October 02, 2013, 02:20:55 PM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on October 02, 2013, 01:36:10 PM

Quote from: Gratch on October 02, 2013, 12:23:56 PM

As usual, Jon Stewart made an excellent comparison:



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Did you see the Giants game on Sunday? They lost 31 to 7. And you know what the Giants didn't say after that game: 'If you don't give us 25 more points by midnight on Monday, we will shutdown the f**kin' NFL!' They didn't say that."

I know. I said it five posts up Tongue

Yeah, but you didn't use pretty pictures!

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« Reply #102 on: October 02, 2013, 02:49:45 PM »

Stewart frigging nailed it.

Great piece of satirical journalism...that's not so satirical.


And it's awesome that Congress is still getting paid.
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« Reply #103 on: October 02, 2013, 03:49:49 PM »

The sad thing is, The Daily Show continues to be the only American "journalism" that actually resembles, well, journalism.

Take this article, for instance: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/10/1/reporting-governmentshutdowndemocracy.html

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U.S. news reports are largely blaming the government shutdown on the inability of both political parties to come to terms. It is supposedly the result of a "bitterly divided" Congress that "failed to reach agreement" (Washington Post) or "a bitter budget standoff" left unresolved by "rapid-fire back and forth legislative maneuvers" (New York Times). This sort of false equivalence is not just a failure of journalism. It is also a failure of democracy.

When the political leadership of this country is incapable of even keeping the government open, a political course correction is in order. But how can democracy self-correct if the public does not understand where the problem lies? And where will the pressure for change come from if journalists do not hold the responsible parties accountable?

I've been pretty fed up with ALL American news outlets for some time. Yes, the obvious targets of FoxNews and MSNBC pushing their respective affiliation's talking points show no signs of changing, but there has been a steady decline and now outright failure of American press for some time now. Increasingly, I've been getting my news from BBC, which at least holds on to some proper concept of what journalism should be. Maybe its time to fold Al-Jazeera America into the mix...
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« Reply #104 on: October 02, 2013, 03:59:32 PM »

Congress is stil getting paid because their jobs are Constitutionally mandated is that the deal?
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« Reply #105 on: October 02, 2013, 04:56:00 PM »

GOP still convinced the public will side with them

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Rep. Steve King (R-IA), in fact, still believes that the fight can lead to the "end of Obamacare."

“We’ve passed the witching hour of midnight, and the sky didn’t fall, nothing caved in,” King told the Times. “Now the pressure will build on both sides, and the American people will weigh in.”

Of course the "sky didn't fall" on Monday, you disingenuous twit.  How about you get back to us when 800,000 people (and the millions of us on the periphery) don't get paychecks in a couple weeks. 
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« Reply #106 on: October 02, 2013, 05:01:27 PM »

I'm nearing the end of my homebuying process, and if I was using an FHA loan instead of a traditional one, this shutdown would have made me miss a deadline, lose the new home, lose the money I sunk into home inspections, and be homeless at the end of October.
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« Reply #107 on: October 02, 2013, 06:11:55 PM »

Quote from: leo8877 on October 02, 2013, 03:59:32 PM

Congress is stil getting paid because their jobs are Constitutionally mandated is that the deal?

The 27th Amendment states that Congress can't pass a law that affects its own pay. It can only pass laws that affect the pay of future Congresses.
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« Reply #108 on: October 02, 2013, 07:37:14 PM »

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GOP still convinced the public will side with them

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Rep. Steve King (R-IA), in fact, still believes that the fight can lead to the "end of Obamacare."

“We’ve passed the witching hour of midnight, and the sky didn’t fall, nothing caved in,” King told the Times. “Now the pressure will build on both sides, and the American people will weigh in.”

Of course the "sky didn't fall" on Monday, you disingenuous twit.  How about you get back to us when 800,000 people (and the millions of us on the periphery) don't get paychecks in a couple weeks. 

The public that put the tea party conservatives in power will absolutely side with them. None of them will lose their seats over this.

The last time Republicans shut down the government, 30-some percent of them were from districts that had supported Clinton. This time around only 7% are from districts that supported Obama. They have no reason to fear reprisals; indeed, they can expect approval from their own constituents.

Senate races are where it should bite them in the ass, since those are statewide elections. IIRC, Dems are defending 6 seats in 2014 and Reps are only defending one. They only need to take 4 to win the majority. Before the shutdown their odds of doing that were considered good. Now, not so much. (My specific numbers might be a bit off but the gist is right).
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« Reply #109 on: October 02, 2013, 07:53:04 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on October 02, 2013, 05:01:27 PM

I'm nearing the end of my homebuying process, and if I was using an FHA loan instead of a traditional one, this shutdown would have made me miss a deadline, lose the new home, lose the money I sunk into home inspections, and be homeless at the end of October.

Oh wow, after chatting with my realtor about how this is affecting her other deals, turns out the shutdown could have held up my home purchase even with my traditional lender.  Lenders currently cannot verify IRS transcripts.  If I wasn't (thankfully) already past that point in the process, my home purchase would have halted.
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« Reply #110 on: October 02, 2013, 10:09:45 PM »

"The Greatest Generation" that both sides love to wistfully look to for how things should be would be embarrassed by the way these parties act.  Since when is "I'm going to inadvertently hurt people to get my way" acceptable?  This bullshit needs to stop.  They don't want to work?  Fine - fire all of them and find people who do.
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« Reply #111 on: October 02, 2013, 10:48:29 PM »

House Now Has The Votes To End Government Shutdown, But It Won't:

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Less than two days after the government shut down, there are now more than 17 Republicans who say they're ready to pass a bill to fund the government with no strings attached, giving the House the votes it needs to pass a clean funding bill.

All 200 Democrats would need to stick together and team up with those Republicans to pass the bill, but House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) would have to be willing to put it to a vote, which so far he has given no indication he will do. But if he does, the votes appear to be there. The Senate would pass the bill in no time, sending it to be signed by President Barack Obama and ending the shutdown.
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« Reply #112 on: October 02, 2013, 10:53:02 PM »

Ron Paul Isn't Thrilled By 'Rather Annoying' Shutdown Debate

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"The shutdown is actually a distraction from the debate that I think they should be having," Paul said. He's particularly upset by domestic and foreign U.S. policies, and says Federal Reserve policy and deficit spending should have taken precedence in the current government-funding debate.

"Republicans and Democrats are basically in agreement with authoritarianism," Paul said. "They believe that one way or another you have to be an authoritarian, to tell you how to spend your money [and] both of them tell you how to run your personal life. And they're both very excited about telling every country what to do, and giving them money if they behave or bombing them if they don't."

Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs.

"The so-called shutdown is more of a political event," he said, "The government doesn't really shut down, they do the symbolic things: you can't go up in the Washington Monument, you can't visit the White House and you can't go in the parks."
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« Reply #113 on: October 03, 2013, 12:00:51 AM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on October 02, 2013, 10:09:45 PM

"The Greatest Generation" that both sides love to wistfully look to for how things should be would be embarrassed by the way these parties act.  Since when is "I'm going to inadvertently hurt people to get my way" acceptable?  This bullshit needs to stop.  They don't want to work?  Fine - fire all of them and find people who do.

That's what Australia did.

Maybe being a constitutional monarchy isn't such a bad thing...
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« Reply #114 on: October 03, 2013, 02:03:50 AM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on October 02, 2013, 10:09:45 PM

"The Greatest Generation" that both sides love to wistfully look to for how things should be would be embarrassed by the way these parties act.  Since when is "I'm going to inadvertently hurt people to get my way" acceptable?  This bullshit needs to stop.  They don't want to work?  Fine - fire all of them and find people who do.

Did you see the story about the WW2 vets who broke through the barricades (with a little help from the park rangers who were supposed to be keeping them out) so they could visit their memorial? The farther they recede into history, the more I admire my parents' generation.
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« Reply #115 on: October 03, 2013, 04:08:47 AM »

Quote from: Ironrod on October 03, 2013, 02:03:50 AM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on October 02, 2013, 10:09:45 PM

"The Greatest Generation" that both sides love to wistfully look to for how things should be would be embarrassed by the way these parties act.  Since when is "I'm going to inadvertently hurt people to get my way" acceptable?  This bullshit needs to stop.  They don't want to work?  Fine - fire all of them and find people who do.

Did you see the story about the WW2 vets who broke through the barricades (with a little help from the park rangers who were supposed to be keeping them out) so they could visit their memorial? The farther they recede into history, the more I admire my parents' generation.

apparnetly Bachmann was there

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“Tremendous honor to meet these WWII veterans and help them gain access to their memorial,” she wrote on Twitter, where she also posted a photo taken with the veterans at the memorial.
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« Reply #116 on: October 03, 2013, 04:19:58 AM »

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The House will pass a clean CR.

Any minute now.


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« Reply #117 on: October 03, 2013, 05:23:07 AM »

Quote from: Rip on October 03, 2013, 04:19:58 AM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on October 01, 2013, 03:32:51 PM

The House will pass a clean CR.

Any minute now.


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There's no rush. The longer this drags on, the worse for the GOP.
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« Reply #118 on: October 03, 2013, 10:43:46 AM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on October 02, 2013, 10:09:45 PM

"The Greatest Generation" that both sides love to wistfully look to for how things should be would be embarrassed by the way these parties act.  Since when is "I'm going to inadvertently hurt people to get my way" acceptable?  This bullshit needs to stop.  They don't want to work?  Fine - fire all of them and find people who do.


Every Republican in this country ran their 2012 campaign on the explicit promise of repealing the Affordable Healthcare Act.  Republican House members sitting in meticulously gerrymandered seats kept their positions, while state-wide elections for the president and senate awarded control of those bodies to the Democrats.

Now, in a very real way, Republicans are demanding they be allowed to govern as though they'd won control of everything.  The government will begin enacting the Romney / Ryan agenda or it will not be allowed to function at all.

What is the reasonable compromise position here that would lead you to believe that this is a case of bipartisan stubbornness?  What specific concessions do you think the Democrats should be making to resolve a crisis that has been created, sustained, and celebrated exclusively by the Republicans?

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« Reply #119 on: October 03, 2013, 12:24:31 PM »

Quote from: Ironrod on October 03, 2013, 05:23:07 AM

Quote from: Rip on October 03, 2013, 04:19:58 AM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on October 01, 2013, 03:32:51 PM

The House will pass a clean CR.

Any minute now.


 Torches and Happiness!

There's no rush. The longer this drags on, the worse for the GOP.

While I have no problem with the GOP imploding, I'd beg to differ that there's no rush.  Some of us need a paycheck.
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