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Eduardo X
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« on: May 07, 2008, 05:45:20 PM »

A sold out event in Miami honors Luis Posada Carriles.

I've said it so many times, but the insanity of treating those who've conducted terrorism differently depending on their targets is a US mainstay, and it will never be ok.
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2008, 06:10:15 PM »

History is written by the winners, baby!  if you wanna justify your terrorist actions, just do it on a large enough scale to make the other guy back down!

...of course, i hope this doesn't lead to you hanging out in front of my apartment building with hastily constructed Molotov cocktails and a handwritten manifesto declaring me to be the Nephew of the Beast or, as you say, "ol' 665"
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2008, 07:57:07 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on May 07, 2008, 06:10:15 PM

History is written by the winners, baby!  if you wanna justify your terrorist actions, just do it on a large enough scale to make the other guy back down!


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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2008, 08:19:54 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo X on May 07, 2008, 05:45:20 PM

I've said it so many times, but the insanity of treating those who've conducted terrorism differently depending on their targets is a US mainstay, and it will never be ok.
Just out of curiosity, do you have a Che shirt or poster?
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2008, 08:20:10 PM »

Quote from: Eightball on May 07, 2008, 07:57:07 PM

Quote from: hepcat on May 07, 2008, 06:10:15 PM

History is written by the winners, baby!  if you wanna justify your terrorist actions, just do it on a large enough scale to make the other guy back down!


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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2008, 08:21:35 PM »

Quote from: cheeba on May 07, 2008, 08:19:54 PM

Quote from: Eduardo X on May 07, 2008, 05:45:20 PM

I've said it so many times, but the insanity of treating those who've conducted terrorism differently depending on their targets is a US mainstay, and it will never be ok.
Just out of curiosity, do you have a Che shirt or poster?
Nope.
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2008, 08:28:20 PM »

I would think ed wouldn't endorse anyone who at any point in their lives espouses violence as a means to an end if I'm reading his initial post correctly.
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2008, 09:26:06 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo X on May 07, 2008, 05:45:20 PM

A sold out event in Miami honors Luis Posada Carriles.

I've said it so many times, but the insanity of treating those who've conducted terrorism differently depending on their targets is a US mainstay, and it will never be ok.

I'm pretty sure you have a picture or two of a terrorist in your wallet, seeing as how that is probably how King George would have classified Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, et al.  Are you ok with that?
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2008, 09:44:19 PM »

Quote from: Pyperkub on May 07, 2008, 09:26:06 PM

Quote from: Eduardo X on May 07, 2008, 05:45:20 PM

A sold out event in Miami honors Luis Posada Carriles.

I've said it so many times, but the insanity of treating those who've conducted terrorism differently depending on their targets is a US mainstay, and it will never be ok.

I'm pretty sure you have a picture or two of a terrorist in your wallet, seeing as how that is probably how King George would have classified Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, et al.  Are you ok with that?

Are you suggesting that a man who blew up an airliner full of civilians (including the gold medal-winning Cuban fencing team) is morally equivalent to George Washington?
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2008, 09:48:02 PM »

Quote from: Pyperkub on May 07, 2008, 09:26:06 PM


I'm pretty sure you have a picture or two of a terrorist in your wallet, seeing as how that is probably how King George would have classified Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, et al.  Are you ok with that?

Nice.  thumbsdown
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2008, 09:54:53 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on May 07, 2008, 09:44:19 PM

Quote from: Pyperkub on May 07, 2008, 09:26:06 PM

Quote from: Eduardo X on May 07, 2008, 05:45:20 PM

A sold out event in Miami honors Luis Posada Carriles.

I've said it so many times, but the insanity of treating those who've conducted terrorism differently depending on their targets is a US mainstay, and it will never be ok.

I'm pretty sure you have a picture or two of a terrorist in your wallet, seeing as how that is probably how King George would have classified Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, et al.  Are you ok with that?

Are you suggesting that a man who blew up an airliner full of civilians (including the gold medal-winning Cuban fencing team) is morally equivalent to George Washington?

I didn't even read the article so the comparison does come off a bit weird and insensitive - the post was more to the historical sense that the US can be viewed as being founded on terrorism.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2008, 09:59:52 PM »

Sure, that's true.  I think the issue here (at least for me, I'm not speaking for Eduardo X), is that our government claims to oppose terrorism "in all its forms".  Of course, this particular terrorist is an enemy of Cuba, so the anti-Castro exiles must be placated.  Certainly the matter of who is a "freedom fighter" and who is a "terrorist" depends on one's individual perspective.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2008, 10:18:16 PM »

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I'm pretty sure you have a picture or two of a terrorist in your wallet, seeing as how that is probably how King George would have classified Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, et al.  Are you ok with that?

i think the word youre looking for is "insurgent."  the us certainly wasnt founded on terrorism - but you could make the case that it was a successful insurgency. (hell feel free to substitute the words "rebel" and "rebellion" if you want)

while some colonials may have committed acts of pure terror on british-sympathizing fellow colonials, this wasnt the prerogative of the continental army.

this guy, on the other hand, is a terrorist, no bones about it.  our terrorist, but a terrorist none the less - and a several steps beyond the usual cia chicanery
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2008, 02:05:42 AM »

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Posada, a naturalized Venezuelan citizen, is alleged to have masterminded the bombing of a Cuban airliner in 1976 on which all 73 on board were killed, including a youth fencing team returning from a tournament in the Venezuelan capital, Caracas. He is also suspected of plotting a series of hotel bombings in Havana in the late 1990s, one of which killed an Italian tourist.
Why is this guy still a free man?

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Analysts speculate that the U.S. government has dodged calls for prosecution of Posada for fear he would disclose details of CIA involvement in coups, assassination plots and scandals, including the Iran-Contra Affair.
Oh, that's why.  Well, seeing as how this is a story about a terrorist, I'm sure it's been featured prominently on Fox News. 
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2008, 05:14:09 AM »

Quote from: hepcat on May 07, 2008, 08:28:20 PM

I would think ed wouldn't endorse anyone who at any point in their lives espouses violence as a means to an end if I'm reading his initial post correctly.
Not to derail, but that's pretty much the case. I'm not totally opposed to violence, as I believe in self-defense. Che decided, in Bolivia and the Congo, that he knew what was best for the country and tried to wrest the leadership of their respective revolutions from the people he was claiming to be serving. It's a lot like what the US did in - wait for it - Cuba in 1898. "OMG I'M HELPING!"
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2008, 05:12:52 PM »

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That disgusts me.
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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2008, 08:27:59 PM »

Interestingly enough, the US has Nelson Mandela on the Terror Watch list.
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2008, 08:47:20 PM »

Quote from: Pyperkub on May 12, 2008, 08:27:59 PM

I think Ted Kennedy was on the no-fly list, too.
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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2008, 08:49:17 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo X on May 12, 2008, 08:47:20 PM

Quote from: Pyperkub on May 12, 2008, 08:27:59 PM

I think Ted Kennedy was on the no-fly list, too.

Only on flights that serve alcohol.
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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2008, 09:06:26 PM »

Quote from: denoginizer on May 12, 2008, 08:49:17 PM

Quote from: Eduardo X on May 12, 2008, 08:47:20 PM

Quote from: Pyperkub on May 12, 2008, 08:27:59 PM

I think Ted Kennedy was on the no-fly list, too.

Only on flights that serve alcohol.
Well, they are trying to keep people safe.

Good joke, sir!
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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2008, 09:42:57 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo X on May 12, 2008, 08:47:20 PM

Quote from: Pyperkub on May 12, 2008, 08:27:59 PM

I think Ted Kennedy was on the no-fly list, too.

No, that was JFK Jr (oops, too late)   icon_twisted
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