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Question: What's most important in a Presidential candidate?
Character - 29 (50%)
Experience - 3 (5.2%)
Issues - 26 (44.8%)
Total Voters: 58

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« on: September 05, 2008, 11:45:52 PM »

Pick one.
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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2008, 02:25:20 AM »

In a candidate, I'm mostly concerned with positions on the issues of the day. In a president, character seems to be the greatest asset. Certainly the most successful presidents have been men of unwavering vision and strong character, not policy wonks or micromanagers.

I went with character, even though that's very difficult to judge during a campaign, when candidates will say and do whatever they think will get them elected.
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2008, 07:30:50 AM »

Quote from: Ironrod on September 06, 2008, 02:25:20 AM

I went with character, even though that's very difficult to judge during a campaign, when candidates will say and do whatever they think will get them elected.

That's exactly why I think the issues aren't important as most politicians will simply say what it takes to get elected. One candidate has to be pro-choice and thus the other needs to be pro-life in order to gain the other 50% of votes from people who make that their only deciding point. 
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2008, 02:04:32 PM »

Without Character its irrelevant what they say and promise.
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2008, 08:50:59 PM »

Boobs.

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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2008, 11:33:24 PM »

Quote from: gellar on September 06, 2008, 08:50:59 PM

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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2008, 08:10:30 PM »

Given the love for Clinton on these boards, I'm surprised at the number of people who voted for character.  Or do people see no relationship between affairs and one's character?
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2008, 08:14:15 PM »

Given the love for McCain on these boards, I'm surprised at the number of people who voted for character.  Or do people see no relationship between affairs and one's character?
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2008, 10:06:03 PM »

Quote from: Gwar21 on September 07, 2008, 08:10:30 PM

Given the love for Clinton on these boards, I'm surprised at the number of people who voted for character.  Or do people see no relationship between affairs and one's character?

Quote from: Brendan on September 07, 2008, 08:14:15 PM

Given the love for McCain on these boards, I'm surprised at the number of people who voted for character.  Or do people see no relationship between affairs and one's character?

OH SNAP!

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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2008, 08:35:25 PM »

for me its like this issues > experience > character

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I went with character, even though that's very difficult to judge during a campaign, when candidates will say and do whatever they think will get them elected.


That's exactly why I think the issues aren't important as most politicians will simply say what it takes to get elected.

this right here seems to imply, based on what we as electors know, NO candidate has character, at least that we can judge on any meaningful level.  it therefore becomes a nebulous term that can mean anything to anyone depending on how its packaged or marketed - to mean anyway poor ways to chose someone to elect

so for me i go on issues that are important to me, and then experience as it seems the presidents with the most experience in governing / legislating / running bureaucracies fair better

as examples in recent memory, i think big ronny r (his brief stint as cali gov didnt really help) and george bush junior were absolutely terrible for our country, but domestically, in the realm of foreign policy, and for generally setting bad precedents for what the executive branch will do "when necessary" (im guessing because theyve never been told or understand "no" when it comes to what executive prerogative and reach entail)

bush sr and clinton conversely were pretty damn decent and while bush sr was a one term wonder and clinton had blowjobgate and a bubble, its pretty obvious that all in all they did fair jobs in office
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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2008, 09:16:00 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on September 07, 2008, 08:14:15 PM

Given the love for McCain on these boards, I'm surprised at the number of people who voted for character.  Or do people see no relationship between affairs and one's character?

BOOM!!

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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2008, 09:37:08 PM »

a well cut jib
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2008, 01:37:14 PM »

It looks like Experience is statistically insignificant as well.  Just goes to show, when what you are doing isn't working, try something new.
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2008, 04:22:16 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on September 09, 2008, 01:37:14 PM

It looks like Experience is statistically insignificant as well.  Just goes to show, when what you are doing isn't working, try something new.
You are misinterpreting the question. The question is which is most important. Because experience is not listed as most important to most does not logically lead to experience being insignificant. It could even be the 2nd most important item for people on the list.
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2008, 08:50:40 PM »

Quote from: cheeba on September 09, 2008, 04:22:16 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on September 09, 2008, 01:37:14 PM

It looks like Experience is statistically insignificant as well.  Just goes to show, when what you are doing isn't working, try something new.
You are misinterpreting the question. The question is which is most important. Because experience is not listed as most important to most does not logically lead to experience being insignificant. It could even be the 2nd most important item for people on the list.

It is statistically insignificant as a primary item.  Didn't misinterpret it. smile
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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2008, 04:39:12 PM »

Quote from: Gwar21 on September 07, 2008, 08:10:30 PM

Given the love for Clinton on these boards, I'm surprised at the number of people who voted for character.  Or do people see no relationship between affairs and one's character?

Quote from: Brendan on September 07, 2008, 08:14:15 PM

Given the love for McCain on these boards, I'm surprised at the number of people who voted for character.  Or do people see no relationship between affairs and one's character?

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OH SNAP!

Quote from: Geezer on September 08, 2008, 09:16:00 PM

BOOM!!

Why the applause for the unwarranted snark?  Brendan, do you have an answer to Gwar's question, or just a nonsensical retort? (since McCain isn't really loved on these boards, certainly not to the level that Bill Clinton is).
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2008, 04:55:48 PM »

Quote from: Rowdy on September 12, 2008, 04:39:12 PM

Why the applause for the unwarranted snark?  Brendan, do you have an answer to Gwar's question, or just a nonsensical retort? (since McCain isn't really loved on these boards, certainly not to the level that Bill Clinton is).

An answer to his question?  It's a stupid question, and my response was an entirely appropriate answer.

He presumes that democrats who voted for Bill Clinton are ineligible to judge candidates based on their "character," and it ignores the fact that the current republican presidential candidate fails Gwar21's test:  John McCain famously indulged himself in multiple affairs, marrying his mistress a month after his divorce was finalized.  How is Gwar21's question relevant at all, and why was it targeted only at democrats?

I think character's important.  I supported Bill Clinton.  I also think the affair-less George W. Bush is deficient in the character department given his needless preemptive war that's killed hundreds of thousands of people, his policies that create a redistribution of wealth from middle-class households to plutocrats, and his petulance.  By all standards I care about, Clinton's "character" is superior by many orders of magnitude.
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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2008, 09:40:08 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on September 12, 2008, 04:55:48 PM

He presumes that democrats who voted for Bill Clinton are ineligible to judge candidates based on their "character," and it ignores the fact that the current republican presidential candidate fails Gwar21's test:  John McCain famously indulged himself in multiple affairs, marrying his mistress a month after his divorce was finalized.  How is Gwar21's question relevant at all, and why was it targeted only at democrats?

Actually, I made no such presumption, so you're reading too much into the question.  I was simply curious about the seeming discrepancy between the poll results and Clinton's popularity on the board.  I agree that there's hypocrisy in the area of character on the Republican side (i.e., Republican voters often say that character is most important, but issue stances clearly trump character for them), but I didn't say anything about that because this is by far and away a left-leaning board.  Hence, I kept the question directed toward the left.
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2008, 10:10:05 PM »

Quote from: Gwar21 on September 12, 2008, 09:40:08 PM

I was simply curious about the seeming discrepancy between the poll results and Clinton's popularity on the board. 

Is there a poll I've missed?  Bill Clinton is a popular president among the entire American electorate, not just "on the board," hovering between 50-60-some percent favorability ratings.  When was the last Bill Clinton thread here?

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I agree that there's hypocrisy in the area of character on the Republican side (i.e., Republican voters often say that character is most important, but issue stances clearly trump character for them), but I didn't say anything about that because this is by far and away a left-leaning board.  Hence, I kept the question directed toward the left.

I disagree with your assessment of this being "far and away a left-leaning board."  If anything, it's largely centrist.  For every rabid liberal hyena like myself, there's at least three squishy independents (and quite a few notable lunatic fringe right-wingers).

In the end, your question does presume that adultery is some sort of disqualifying element that prevents a person from having "character", and I disagree with that assertion, as I mentioned earlier.  I think John McCain's unfit for president, but it's not because he's a philanderer.  At this point, it's clear that he's a duplicitous liar who will say anything to get elected to the presidency, and his choice of Palin for his VP spot is clearly a pander due to political expedience.  Those are more interesting indicators of "character."
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2008, 10:22:20 PM »

Quote from: Gwar21 on September 12, 2008, 09:40:08 PM

Actually, I made no such presumption, so you're reading too much into the question.  I was simply curious about the seeming discrepancy between the poll results and Clinton's popularity on the board.  I agree that there's hypocrisy in the area of character on the Republican side (i.e., Republican voters often say that character is most important, but issue stances clearly trump character for them), but I didn't say anything about that because this is by far and away a left-leaning board.  Hence, I kept the question directed toward the left.

Clinton is a man of deep personal character flaws, no doubt about it.  Women have been his Achilles Heel.  While Clinton may be admired for his many accomplishments during his Presidency, even most die-hard Democrats are very disappointed in his personal life.  However, the question isn't a fair one.  There wasn't any definitive proof that Clinton had cheated on his wife prior to either election (don't even try to bring up Jennifer Flowers).  So while Clinton's affairs were never a voting decision, McCain's multiple affairs are known and therefore can be evaluated as part of his character prior to this election.  That, combined with his pandering and horrible choice of Veep and his continued betrayal of his own prior moral/political positions tell me what kind of "man" he really is. 

Also, "character" was never a huge focus by the Clinton campaign as far as I can remember (which is a good thing because he's deeply flawed in that area).  Yet virtually the only things McCain can run off of are character and experience as he's in the minority on many of the public policy positions.  If you're going to walk around touting "POW, War-Hero, Man of Character", then you better be prepared to answer for some seriously slimy things done in your personal life.  So I'll continue to respect/admire Clinton for what he got done - especially from a financial sense - but I'll always shake my head at his personal conduct and how it lessened the office of the President.
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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2008, 02:43:12 AM »

Quote from: Brendan on September 12, 2008, 10:10:05 PM


I disagree with your assessment of this being "far and away a left-leaning board."  If anything, it's largely centrist.  For every rabid liberal hyena like myself, there's at least three squishy independents (and quite a few notable lunatic fringe right-wingers).

I haven't been coming here for very long, so I claim some remnant of an outside perspective. This board is polarized between a staunch Democrat majority and a reactionary conservative minority. Most threads degenerate quickly into name-calling and insults, leaving it uncongenial to non-ideologues. But then, I'm one of those squishy independents who sees at least three sides to every issue (your side, my side, and the truth).
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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2008, 02:01:55 PM »

Where is the poll option for "A huge set of knockers"?
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2008, 05:12:31 AM »

Quote from: gellar on September 06, 2008, 08:50:59 PM

Boobs.

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