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« on: May 10, 2013, 07:29:14 PM »

While in the more recent past it's been squarely in the crazy-fest Fox News department to invent stupid and untrue shit using "Sources say..." as their sole citation (even if the "sources" is a janitor that said it), more recently we've seen this stupid practice spread to nearly (if not all) news sources.  CNN has gone full-retard with "satellite" feeds from the same parking lot, MSNBC alternates between this reality and some other one.  I know that it was Reagan who pulled the plug on needing to be truthful in journalism.  Here's my question - is it gone forever?   Is there any way to restore ethics and journalism to an industry that has clearly turned into an entertainment industry?
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2013, 08:01:10 PM »

It's a feedback loop of the saps that watch it paying for the products that fund it that pay the networks to air it.  Until the American public gets smarter (which isn't happening), it's just going to continue down the spiral.
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2013, 08:01:44 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on May 10, 2013, 07:29:14 PM

Is there any way to restore ethics and journalism to an industry that has clearly turned into an entertainment industry?

I can't imagine how.  It's a 24-7 cycle that is constantly competing for eyeballs.  Multiply that need by internal bias (either left or right), instant consumer reaction, and momentary worldwide distribution, and it all becomes a game of who gets there first, not who gets it right.  You can always retract later, but they need people to be looking.
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2013, 09:08:23 PM »

Is it ethical to put your name on game reviews you didn't write?
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2013, 09:14:59 PM »

Quote from: Moliere on May 10, 2013, 09:08:23 PM

Is it ethical to put your name on game reviews you didn't write?

1. Those aren't reviews
2. We had some database issues where reviews that got imported to the new system from the old all had Ron in the byline, but previews weren't a part of that issue. At least I didn't think they were  icon_eek
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2013, 09:28:13 PM »

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Quote from: Moliere on May 10, 2013, 09:08:23 PM

Is it ethical to put your name on game reviews you didn't write?

1. Those aren't reviews
2. We had some database issues where reviews that got imported to the new system from the old all had Ron in the byline, but previews weren't a part of that issue. At least I didn't think they were  icon_eek

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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2013, 09:29:13 PM »

Quote from: Moliere on May 10, 2013, 09:08:23 PM

Is it ethical to put your name on game reviews you didn't write?

I know you wrote those for us at E3.  As Mike said, they got jacked up when we did our import so it defaulted to me.   It's easily changed.   Give us a little bit and you'll see your name on them shortly.

On the technical side of things, anything generated for the site is owned by me, the sole owner of the site.  Bylines can be revoked at any time and the staff is aware of that.  The only time I've used that is when I've terminated someone for cause - I essentially erase their existence from the site because I'm a spiteful son of a bitch.  smile   (Theft, plagiarism, unethical behavior, etc.)
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2013, 03:35:54 AM »

Quote from: Moliere on May 10, 2013, 09:08:23 PM

Is it ethical to put your name on game reviews you didn't write?

Hey, at least your reviews still show up.   crybaby
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2013, 10:51:48 PM »

Quote from: Gratch on May 11, 2013, 03:35:54 AM

Quote from: Moliere on May 10, 2013, 09:08:23 PM

Is it ethical to put your name on game reviews you didn't write?

Hey, at least your reviews still show up.   crybaby

Working on that too.   smile   One botched move with no rollback is making for some unpeasant cleanup afterwards.
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2013, 01:28:57 PM »

Quote from: Moliere on May 10, 2013, 09:08:23 PM

Is it ethical to put your name on game reviews you didn't write?

So you're equating a sole proprietor taking ownership (and responsibility) of articles hosted on _his_ site as a sign of negligible behavior? Did you have a contract that indicated you owned the work you produced for the site? The tone of your message conveys a chip on shoulder - and from the looks of things, the articles say Jack Moliere, so as soon as you (publicly) aired your concerns, they were able to fix it.

Did you take any other measures first, or was this seeming attempt to call into question Ron's ethics the first time you've spoken up? Last I checked, a fair number of my old reviews have given games 324234523 / 100, and the pros/cons were borked. The problems have been discussed by the management / tech staff in the site feedback section. Who knows, perhaps all imported articles also indicate Ron, or at least those who's original "owners" do not exist in the latest iteration of the DB.

My point is, is it ethical to slam someone who brings up ethics based on a personal concern in a very public manner without providing them:

a) information about your opined discrepancy
b) an opportunity to explain how or why this happened
c) the knowledge that the lack of credit is something that bothers you.
d) the wherewithal to make corrections or apologies.

It would seem to me that would have been valuable in resolving this issue a lot quicker. Maybe you've been hounding Ron for months about your articles - and this was your last resort. Given the fix turnaround and knowing Ron to be a pretty up-standing guy, I doubt this is the case.

Your approach certainly has brought up some interesting ethical points WRT publication ownership, but I don't know that it speaks at ALL to the explicit topic brought up in the OP.
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2013, 01:36:04 PM »

As to the topic at hand, I think the reality of the situation is that there is always a kernel of truth in press stories, and having witnessed first-and-second hand versions of press publications AFTER the fact and knowing full well the events - even when they have named sources, the news is already skewed.
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2013, 01:50:26 PM »

This is why you have to take everything with a grain of salt regardless of the source...and then check multiple sources.

The misreporting out of Newtown and Boston were unbelievable.  It's just going to get worse.
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2013, 01:59:48 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on May 12, 2013, 10:51:48 PM

Quote from: Gratch on May 11, 2013, 03:35:54 AM

Quote from: Moliere on May 10, 2013, 09:08:23 PM

Is it ethical to put your name on game reviews you didn't write?

Hey, at least your reviews still show up.   crybaby

Working on that too.   smile   One botched move with no rollback is making for some unpeasant cleanup afterwards.

smile  Just giving you a hard time. 
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2013, 02:19:53 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on May 12, 2013, 10:51:48 PM

Quote from: Gratch on May 11, 2013, 03:35:54 AM

Quote from: Moliere on May 10, 2013, 09:08:23 PM

Is it ethical to put your name on game reviews you didn't write?

Hey, at least your reviews still show up.   crybaby

Working on that too.   smile   One botched move with no rollback is making for some unpeasant cleanup afterwards.

Well that's the issue then. You need more peasants.
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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2013, 03:26:46 PM »

Quote from: Purge on May 13, 2013, 01:28:57 PM

Did you have a contract that indicated you owned the work you produced for the site?
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Any arrangement I had with Ron didn't require a contract. He asked for help at E3. I spent a couple of days playing computer games and writing about my experiences. He had the option to publish or trash anything I submitted. Given that I had zero experience writing game reviews/previews I expected most of it to be trashed. The byline has been updated. Thank you. Carry on.
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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2013, 03:48:27 PM »

Quote from: ATB on May 13, 2013, 02:19:53 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on May 12, 2013, 10:51:48 PM

Quote from: Gratch on May 11, 2013, 03:35:54 AM

Quote from: Moliere on May 10, 2013, 09:08:23 PM

Is it ethical to put your name on game reviews you didn't write?

Hey, at least your reviews still show up.   crybaby

Working on that too.   smile   One botched move with no rollback is making for some unpeasant cleanup afterwards.

Well that's the issue then. You need more peasants.

outsourcing!
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2013, 09:19:12 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on May 13, 2013, 03:48:27 PM

Quote from: ATB on May 13, 2013, 02:19:53 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on May 12, 2013, 10:51:48 PM

Quote from: Gratch on May 11, 2013, 03:35:54 AM

Quote from: Moliere on May 10, 2013, 09:08:23 PM

Is it ethical to put your name on game reviews you didn't write?

Hey, at least your reviews still show up.   crybaby

Working on that too.   smile   One botched move with no rollback is making for some unpeasant cleanup afterwards.

Well that's the issue then. You need more peasants.

outsourcing!

And that's what I did.  All of our game records are fixed.  next up, all game reviews.  We are in the data gathering portion and then we move to the fixing phase.  smile
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