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« on: April 14, 2008, 07:12:36 PM »

http://omg.yahoo.com/dr-phil-staff-bails-out-florida-girl-charged-in-videotaped-teen-beating-spokeswoman-says/news/8188

What...the...fuck.  When did we allow celebutard-chasers like "Dr." Phil start checking people out of jail for 'treatment'?  I don't care whether or not anyone overstepped the boundaries of the show, how is it that the state allows this?  Is this not exploitation for entertainment? 
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2008, 07:14:59 PM »

I don't think the state cares who or for what purpose someone is bailed out of prison.

Adding, of course, that I have zero respect for "Dr." Phil, who isnt even a doctor.
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2008, 07:18:25 PM »

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 07:14:59 PM

Adding, of course, that I have zero respect for "Dr." Phil, who isnt even a doctor.

Finally. Something we can agree on.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2008, 07:22:07 PM »

Ok, I'm going to have to get it out there -

I record Dr. Phil episodes when I'm at work and watch them during the evening.

Every night.

I love the guy - think he's a great person, helping out people, good advice, love his little sayings and such... but I don't understand this move by him.  It's weird of him to do something like that.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2008, 07:25:32 PM »

Quote from: depward on April 14, 2008, 07:22:07 PM

Ok, I'm going to have to get it out there -

I record Dr. Phil episodes when I'm at work and watch them during the evening.

Every night.


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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2008, 07:30:32 PM »

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 07:14:59 PM

"Dr." Phil, who isnt even a doctor.

This statement is utterly false.
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2008, 07:35:03 PM »

Quote from: pr0ner on April 14, 2008, 07:30:32 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 07:14:59 PM

"Dr." Phil, who isnt even a doctor.

This statement is utterly false.

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McGraw transferred to Midwestern State University in Wichita Falls, Texas, where he graduated in 1975 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in psychology. He went on to earn a Master's degree in experimental psychology in 1976, and a Ph.D in clinical psychology in 1979 at the University of North Texas[7], where his dissertation was titled "Rheumatoid Arthritis: A Psychological Intervention."
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2008, 07:56:30 PM »

Quote from: rickfc on April 14, 2008, 07:35:03 PM

Quote from: pr0ner on April 14, 2008, 07:30:32 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 07:14:59 PM

"Dr." Phil, who isnt even a doctor.

This statement is utterly false.

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McGraw transferred to Midwestern State University in Wichita Falls, Texas, where he graduated in 1975 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in psychology. He went on to earn a Master's degree in experimental psychology in 1976, and a Ph.D in clinical psychology in 1979 at the University of North Texas[7], where his dissertation was titled "Rheumatoid Arthritis: A Psychological Intervention."

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The Texas State Board of Examiners of Psychologists imposed disciplinary sanctions on McGraw on January 27, 1989 for an inappropriate "dual relationship" reported in 1988 by a therapy client/employee from 1984. McGraw was ordered by the Board to take an ethics class, pass a jurisprudence exam, complete a physical evaluation, undergo a psychological evaluation and have his practice supervised for one year in order to continue his private practice in Texas. McGraw admits to giving the client a "job" at his office (which is not allowed), but denied carrying on a sexual relationship with the 19-year-old, who says their relationship was "sexually inappropriate."[30][3][12] As of 2008, McGraw has not completed the conditions imposed by the Board of Examiners of Psychologists,[31] and he is not licensed to practice psychology in Texas, California, or anywhere else.[32]
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2008, 08:02:43 PM »

He has a Ph.D!  That makes him a doctor, regardless of his ability to actually practice anywhere.

I guess if Phil McGraw is no longer a doctor, then Bill Clinton is no longer a lawyer, even though he holds the appropriate degrees?

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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2008, 08:03:30 PM »

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 07:56:30 PM

Quote from: rickfc on April 14, 2008, 07:35:03 PM

Quote from: pr0ner on April 14, 2008, 07:30:32 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 07:14:59 PM

"Dr." Phil, who isnt even a doctor.

This statement is utterly false.

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McGraw transferred to Midwestern State University in Wichita Falls, Texas, where he graduated in 1975 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in psychology. He went on to earn a Master's degree in experimental psychology in 1976, and a Ph.D in clinical psychology in 1979 at the University of North Texas[7], where his dissertation was titled "Rheumatoid Arthritis: A Psychological Intervention."

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The Texas State Board of Examiners of Psychologists imposed disciplinary sanctions on McGraw on January 27, 1989 for an inappropriate "dual relationship" reported in 1988 by a therapy client/employee from 1984. McGraw was ordered by the Board to take an ethics class, pass a jurisprudence exam, complete a physical evaluation, undergo a psychological evaluation and have his practice supervised for one year in order to continue his private practice in Texas. McGraw admits to giving the client a "job" at his office (which is not allowed), but denied carrying on a sexual relationship with the 19-year-old, who says their relationship was "sexually inappropriate."[30][3][12] As of 2008, McGraw has not completed the conditions imposed by the Board of Examiners of Psychologists,[31] and he is not licensed to practice psychology in Texas, California, or anywhere else.[32]

That means he isn't licensed to practice clinically, but he did complete his Ph.D. (ergo, he is a "Dr."). Still, it is shady of him to offer clinical advice when he is not licensed to do so.

Edit: just to clarify, once one gets a Ph.D. in psychology, he still must pass licensing exams to practice clinically. I have a Ph.D. in psychology, but have no desire to treat patients (I do research),  so I won't be pursuing a license.
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2008, 08:04:26 PM »

So he's not licensed to practice psychology... and yet he still does so.

He's a doctor, since he plays one on TV!
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2008, 08:12:42 PM »

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 08:04:26 PM

He's a doctor, since he plays one on TV!

No, he's a doctor because he has a Ph.D.
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2008, 08:15:03 PM »

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Damnit, Jim! I'm a doctor; not someone proficient in giving medical advice!"

If I let my certifications lapse (or am ordered by the governing body to hand over my credentials until I fulfill further requirements) then I no longer use those letters. I think the show should be renamed to Mr. Phil.

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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2008, 08:16:30 PM »

I think Dr. Cpt. Caveman's point is that, once you get a PhD, those credentials don't lapse.
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2008, 08:19:40 PM »

Maybe we can petition the IOC to pull his credentials; they've got all kinds of retroactive powers. nod

Maybe they could just force adding two spaces to be added to his title?

Dr. Phil; Psycho_the_rapist.
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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2008, 08:23:34 PM »

I have a Ph.D. and will always have a Ph.D. I will thus always be a "Dr.".

Like most Ph.D.s in psychology who would rather conduct research or be professors instead of treating patients, I have not taken my state's clinical licensing exam. Neither has a Ph.D. in philosophy or biology or english lit., but that doesn't make them any less of a "Dr.".

But yeah, Dr. Phil is a douche, and he isn't authorized to conduct clinical practice. I image he tells guests of his show that all his feedback is just "advice" and not professionally or legally binding.
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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2008, 09:19:02 PM »

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 08:04:26 PM

So he's not licensed to practice psychology... and yet he still does so.

He's a doctor, since he plays one on TV!

Lets try one more time, hes a doctor because he has a PhD, not all that hard to comprehend.
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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2008, 09:23:52 PM »

Quote from: depward on April 14, 2008, 07:22:07 PM

Ok, I'm going to have to get it out there -

I record Dr. Phil episodes when I'm at work and watch them during the evening.

Every night.

I love the guy - think he's a great person, helping out people, good advice, love his little sayings and such... but I don't understand this move by him.  It's weird of him to do something like that.

Dude.  No.

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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2008, 09:27:29 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on April 14, 2008, 07:12:36 PM

http://omg.yahoo.com/dr-phil-staff-bails-out-florida-girl-charged-in-videotaped-teen-beating-spokeswoman-says/news/8188

What...the...fuck.  When did we allow celebutard-chasers like "Dr." Phil start checking people out of jail for 'treatment'?  I don't care whether or not anyone overstepped the boundaries of the show, how is it that the state allows this?  Is this not exploitation for entertainment? 

To get back on topic, two things:

A) From reading the article, it seems like McGraw had nothing to do with the bail payment; his staffers acted independently.

B) I'm pretty sure the state doesn't care who pays bail, so long as it gets paid.  It's practically free money, and opens up jail space.
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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2008, 09:38:31 PM »

Quote from: brettmcd on April 14, 2008, 09:19:02 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 08:04:26 PM

So he's not licensed to practice psychology... and yet he still does so.

He's a doctor, since he plays one on TV!

Lets try one more time, hes a doctor because he has a PhD, not all that hard to comprehend.

Do you even read the thread before hitting reply?

Don't bother answering, we already know you don't.
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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2008, 10:21:46 PM »

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 09:38:31 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on April 14, 2008, 09:19:02 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 08:04:26 PM

So he's not licensed to practice psychology... and yet he still does so.

He's a doctor, since he plays one on TV!

Lets try one more time, hes a doctor because he has a PhD, not all that hard to comprehend.

Do you even read the thread before hitting reply?

Don't bother answering, we already know you don't.

Being a condescending ass much come naturally to you.
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2008, 12:20:45 AM »

Quote from: pr0ner on April 14, 2008, 08:02:43 PM

I guess if Phil McGraw is no longer a doctor, then Bill Clinton is no longer a lawyer, even though he holds the appropriate degrees?
Actually, wasn't Bill disbarred? icon_lol
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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2008, 12:24:05 AM »

Quote from: cheeba on April 15, 2008, 12:20:45 AM

Quote from: pr0ner on April 14, 2008, 08:02:43 PM

I guess if Phil McGraw is no longer a doctor, then Bill Clinton is no longer a lawyer, even though he holds the appropriate degrees?
Actually, wasn't Bill disbarred? icon_lol

Kind of the point!   icon_twisted
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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2008, 12:28:16 AM »

Quote from: pr0ner on April 15, 2008, 12:24:05 AM

Quote from: cheeba on April 15, 2008, 12:20:45 AM

Quote from: pr0ner on April 14, 2008, 08:02:43 PM

I guess if Phil McGraw is no longer a doctor, then Bill Clinton is no longer a lawyer, even though he holds the appropriate degrees?
Actually, wasn't Bill disbarred? icon_lol

Kind of the point!   icon_twisted
It was a question I didn't remember! Guess I coulda looked it up, but god damn is that ever funny him being disbarred, lol.
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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2008, 01:39:32 AM »

Quote from: CSL on April 14, 2008, 10:21:46 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 09:38:31 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on April 14, 2008, 09:19:02 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 08:04:26 PM

So he's not licensed to practice psychology... and yet he still does so.

He's a doctor, since he plays one on TV!

Lets try one more time, hes a doctor because he has a PhD, not all that hard to comprehend.

Do you even read the thread before hitting reply?

Don't bother answering, we already know you don't.

Being a condescending ass much come naturally to you.

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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2008, 01:45:07 AM »

Quote from: unbreakable on April 15, 2008, 01:39:32 AM

Quote from: CSL on April 14, 2008, 10:21:46 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 09:38:31 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on April 14, 2008, 09:19:02 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 08:04:26 PM

So he's not licensed to practice psychology... and yet he still does so.

He's a doctor, since he plays one on TV!

Lets try one more time, hes a doctor because he has a PhD, not all that hard to comprehend.

Do you even read the thread before hitting reply?

Don't bother answering, we already know you don't.

Being a condescending ass much come naturally to you.

Pot, Kettle, Black.

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« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2008, 11:44:06 AM »

Quote from: Brendan on April 14, 2008, 08:16:30 PM

I think Dr. Cpt. Caveman's point is that, once you get a PhD, those credentials don't lapse.

Brendan!    We agree on something.    smile

Dr. Phil has earned the right to be called Dr by completing his doctorate.    Dr's in English don't have to keep certifications current -- they earned the degree.
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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2008, 05:04:00 PM »

Like I said, he can keep the Dr. title, but his questionable actions should add two spaces to his full title. Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2008, 05:43:49 PM »

Quote from: msduncan on April 15, 2008, 11:44:06 AM

Quote from: Brendan on April 14, 2008, 08:16:30 PM

I think Dr. Cpt. Caveman's point is that, once you get a PhD, those credentials don't lapse.

Brendan!    We agree on something.    smile

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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2008, 02:23:04 AM »

Quote from: Captain Caveman on April 14, 2008, 08:23:34 PM

I have a Ph.D. and will always have a Ph.D. I will thus always be a "Dr.".

You're even more of a pretend Dr. than I am slywink
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