WWDC 2011 - Lion, iOs 5, iCloud

[Devil]

I have a stupid question that may have already been answered - If apps are updated automatically, how do I know if an app is updated?

Good question, I didn't see anything about that mentioned.

I'm not 100%, but I think it means that if you click "download update" on iTunes for instance, your iPhone and iPad will automatically update. And vice versa.

Nah the new stuff will automatically download updates for you, whether you access them or not (to click that button).  It's going to be transparent to the user. 

I presume apps will let you know the version # and some sort of release notes somewhere online.

Do we want to have to dig through release notes? I hope they just put it in the notificaton thing in OS5.

[gellar]

I have a stupid question that may have already been answered - If apps are updated automatically, how do I know if an app is updated?

Good question, I didn't see anything about that mentioned.

I'm not 100%, but I think it means that if you click "download update" on iTunes for instance, your iPhone and iPad will automatically update. And vice versa.

Nah the new stuff will automatically download updates for you, whether you access them or not (to click that button).  It's going to be transparent to the user. 

I presume apps will let you know the version # and some sort of release notes somewhere online.

Do we want to have to dig through release notes? I hope they just put it in the notificaton thing in OS5.

Why would you care though?

[gellar]

The reason to go Mac is that it's a vastly superior OS for getting work done.  The reasons for going Windows on a work machine are pretty much non existent now.  Windows only advantage is gaming.  For everything else, I'd rather have OSX.

Yawn. I keep hearing this. I don't see it. I have a Mac as my every day machine at work and use a PC at home. I get real work done without difficulty on both. I find nothing magical about OSX. It's a great operating system. So is Windows 7. Go with either, they both rock.

Yeah, this is the kind of "Macolyte" nonsense I thought we got away from half a decade ago.  The business world is chugging away just fine on Windows, and Win 7 in particular is an excellent OS.  Both ecosystems have their own strengths and weaknesses.

- Typed on my MacBook Pro

The problem is, lots businesses are still stuck on XP.  Comparing OSX to XP is completely unfair, yet it's totally valid from a use case standpoint.  I think part of why OSX is doing so well in the Enterprise today - IT departments are letting end users choose between a Windows XP, crap hardware laptop or an Apple OSX laptop.  The choice is obvious at that point.

Now personally, I'll admit I am a more techy user than most, but I haven't seen anything on Windows that matches the following functionality on OSX:
1)  A good launcher.  I'm still using Quicksilver and really, really love it.  The built in Win7 bit does a good approximation, but it's not nearly as good.
2)  A good screen cap/annotation/hosting tool.  I've been searching for a Windows Skitch replacement for years and one just flat out doesn't exist.  Skitch alone makes me do any creative work on my Mac rather than my PC.
3)  Omnigraffle destroys what I can do in Visio. 
4)  I know it's cliche, but Keynote >> Powerpoint.
5)  A good instant messaging application.  Adium owns anything on Windows.
6)  Nix terminal software.  I desperately want someone to make one of these for Windows but it just doesn't seem to exist.  On my Windows machine I'm using Putty to connect to a Linux box just for this basic functionality.  That annoys me.
7)  Spaces/Expose/Hot Corners.  I think this is just a comfort thing but I can 'move around' an OSX environment considerably faster than I can a Windows one.  Win7 got some of this right, but it's still not equivalent.

[hepcat]

Primary reason we're still on Windows machines?  99.9 percent of our clients are.  I don't see that changing for a very, very long time (utility companies move at a glacier pace when making changes in their IT standards).

That being said, I still prefer Windows.  I would be curious to see how (and if) dba tools on the Mac would hold up to Windows offerings.  If anything, I would push for a change to linux before I went down the mac road for our needs.

[leo8877]

Man if this iMessage is as good as it's looking, I can't wait to drop our texting plan!

http://www.cultofmac.com/imessage-is-going-to-be-huge-heres-our-hands-on-look-at-how-it-works/99296

[GuidoTKP]

The reason to go Mac is that it's a vastly superior OS for getting work done.  The reasons for going Windows on a work machine are pretty much non existent now.  Windows only advantage is gaming.  For everything else, I'd rather have OSX.

Yawn. I keep hearing this. I don't see it. I have a Mac as my every day machine at work and use a PC at home. I get real work done without difficulty on both. I find nothing magical about OSX. It's a great operating system. So is Windows 7. Go with either, they both rock.

Yeah, this is the kind of "Macolyte" nonsense I thought we got away from half a decade ago.  The business world is chugging away just fine on Windows, and Win 7 in particular is an excellent OS.  Both ecosystems have their own strengths and weaknesses.

- Typed on my MacBook Pro

The problem is, lots businesses are still stuck on XP.  Comparing OSX to XP is completely unfair, yet it's totally valid from a use case standpoint.  I think part of why OSX is doing so well in the Enterprise today - IT departments are letting end users choose between a Windows XP, crap hardware laptop or an Apple OSX laptop.  The choice is obvious at that point.

Now personally, I'll admit I am a more techy user than most, but I haven't seen anything on Windows that matches the following functionality on OSX:
1)  A good launcher.  I'm still using Quicksilver and really, really love it.  The built in Win7 bit does a good approximation, but it's not nearly as good.
2)  A good screen cap/annotation/hosting tool.  I've been searching for a Windows Skitch replacement for years and one just flat out doesn't exist.  Skitch alone makes me do any creative work on my Mac rather than my PC.
3)  Omnigraffle destroys what I can do in Visio. 
4)  I know it's cliche, but Keynote >> Powerpoint.
5)  A good instant messaging application.  Adium owns anything on Windows.
6)  Nix terminal software.  I desperately want someone to make one of these for Windows but it just doesn't seem to exist.  On my Windows machine I'm using Putty to connect to a Linux box just for this basic functionality.  That annoys me.
7)  Spaces/Expose/Hot Corners.  I think this is just a comfort thing but I can 'move around' an OSX environment considerably faster than I can a Windows one.  Win7 got some of this right, but it's still not equivalent.

Heh. All I can say in response to this is that you are occupying some rare air with respect to your computing needs, my friend.

[gellar]

The reason to go Mac is that it's a vastly superior OS for getting work done.  The reasons for going Windows on a work machine are pretty much non existent now.  Windows only advantage is gaming.  For everything else, I'd rather have OSX.

Yawn. I keep hearing this. I don't see it. I have a Mac as my every day machine at work and use a PC at home. I get real work done without difficulty on both. I find nothing magical about OSX. It's a great operating system. So is Windows 7. Go with either, they both rock.

Yeah, this is the kind of "Macolyte" nonsense I thought we got away from half a decade ago.  The business world is chugging away just fine on Windows, and Win 7 in particular is an excellent OS.  Both ecosystems have their own strengths and weaknesses.

- Typed on my MacBook Pro

The problem is, lots businesses are still stuck on XP.  Comparing OSX to XP is completely unfair, yet it's totally valid from a use case standpoint.  I think part of why OSX is doing so well in the Enterprise today - IT departments are letting end users choose between a Windows XP, crap hardware laptop or an Apple OSX laptop.  The choice is obvious at that point.

Now personally, I'll admit I am a more techy user than most, but I haven't seen anything on Windows that matches the following functionality on OSX:
1)  A good launcher.  I'm still using Quicksilver and really, really love it.  The built in Win7 bit does a good approximation, but it's not nearly as good.
2)  A good screen cap/annotation/hosting tool.  I've been searching for a Windows Skitch replacement for years and one just flat out doesn't exist.  Skitch alone makes me do any creative work on my Mac rather than my PC.
3)  Omnigraffle destroys what I can do in Visio. 
4)  I know it's cliche, but Keynote >> Powerpoint.
5)  A good instant messaging application.  Adium owns anything on Windows.
6)  Nix terminal software.  I desperately want someone to make one of these for Windows but it just doesn't seem to exist.  On my Windows machine I'm using Putty to connect to a Linux box just for this basic functionality.  That annoys me.
7)  Spaces/Expose/Hot Corners.  I think this is just a comfort thing but I can 'move around' an OSX environment considerably faster than I can a Windows one.  Win7 got some of this right, but it's still not equivalent.

Heh. All I can say in response to this is that you are occupying some rare air with respect to your computing needs, my friend.

Basically every Silicon Valley tech dork functions the same way I do.  There are many of us. 

[th'FOOL]

Everyone at my job as well. And we're not a small company...

[leo8877]

gellar here's an article on calendar improvements:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/06/08/inside_apples_ios_5_calendar_improvements_help_make_iphone_ipad_pc_free.html

[gellar]

Thanks for posting... doesn't seem to resolve the vast majority of my issues though.

[leo8877]

Apple announced during their earnings call that OSX Lion is launching tomorrow 7/20/11.

[ibdoomed]

The best thing about Lion:

The damn irritating non skippable intro movie is gone!

Finally!

As someone that has to install OSX about once a day, this is a godsend.

[leo8877]

New MBA have been released today too.  Getting Sandy Bridge processors and other updates.  Looks like the white MB has finally been discontinued.

[gellar]

New MBA have been released today too.  Getting Sandy Bridge processors and other updates.  Looks like the white MB has finally been discontinued.

ARRRGGHH.  Still won't let me have more than 4GB of RAM in that thing.  DAMMIT.

[Isgrimnur]

Where's my new phone?!?

[leo8877]

Where's my new phone?!?

Aug/Sept

[leo8877]

Does anyone have one of the new MBA?  I need to update my laptop and I will mainly use it for web, email, iMovie, and iPhoto.  From reviews it sounds like they would be more than powerful enough for that.  Looking for any impressions here.

Thanks!

[gellar]

Does anyone have one of the new MBA?  I need to update my laptop and I will mainly use it for web, email, iMovie, and iPhoto.  From reviews it sounds like they would be more than powerful enough for that.  Looking for any impressions here.

Thanks!

It specs out to be faster than my current MBP, so I'm pretty sure it can handle those tasks more than capably. 

[leo8877]

Does anyone have one of the new MBA?  I need to update my laptop and I will mainly use it for web, email, iMovie, and iPhoto.  From reviews it sounds like they would be more than powerful enough for that.  Looking for any impressions here.

Thanks!

It specs out to be faster than my current MBP, so I'm pretty sure it can handle those tasks more than capably. 

Thanks gellar

[wonderpug]

I have the 11" Air from January and it's been awesome.  I haven't done anything with iMovie on it, though, so I don't know how it does with video rendering.  Overall, it's been exactly the "power of a laptop, portability of a netbook" computer I was hoping it'd be, and of course the latest revision is even more powerful than what I have.

[CeeKay]

of course there are already rumors of the next MacBook Pro

[leo8877]

of course there are already rumors of the next MacBook Pro

I know that killed me.  I figure if I keep waiting though I'll never buy.  The 13" MBA looks (and sounds from reviews) amazing.

[wonderpug]

Just buy it. 

[ibdoomed]

of course there are already rumors of the next MacBook Pro

I swear apple runs these sites themselves to keep the hype alive.

[CeeKay]

of course there are already rumors of the next MacBook Pro

I swear apple runs these sites themselves to keep the hype alive.

They should hire Crystal Method to make a new theme song for them: Keep Hype Alive.

[gellar]

First rule of Apple Products:  Buy the DAY it comes out so you can maximize the amount of time wherein you have the new shiny.

I'm waiting for the new iMacs for this very reason.  I missed my window of opportunity the last time they refreshed.

[leo8877]

First rule of Apple Products:  Buy the DAY it comes out so you can maximize the amount of time wherein you have the new shiny.

I'm waiting for the new iMacs for this very reason.  I missed my window of opportunity the last time they refreshed.

They are still pretty darn recent:

Last Release May 03, 2011
Days Since Update 85 (Avg = 229)

[gellar]

First rule of Apple Products:  Buy the DAY it comes out so you can maximize the amount of time wherein you have the new shiny.

I'm waiting for the new iMacs for this very reason.  I missed my window of opportunity the last time they refreshed.

They are still pretty darn recent:

Last Release May 03, 2011
Days Since Update 85 (Avg = 229)

Yeah I just missed it.  I'd rather wait the 6 months or so.  I don't really need one now... I just probably will want a new PC by the time Diablo 3 comes out and that timing should be somewhat reasonable.

[Devil]

Have been waiting 2 years for a MacBook Pro to replace my old, white MacBook and just gave up and grabbed a 13" Air on Saturday.

I expected it to be old news in less than a week. That's how this works.

Loving it so far.

[leo8877]

Have been waiting 2 years for a MacBook Pro to replace my old, white MacBook and just gave up and grabbed a 13" Air on Saturday.

I expected it to be old news in less than a week. That's how this works.

Loving it so far.

I'm gonna bite too.  My laptop is 4 years old and needs to be replaced, BADLY!  Stupid Amazon says 2-5 weeks shipping though...I'd go Apple Store, but I have a $500 credit at Amazon that's begging to be used for this.

[Devil]

I hear you -  I had some Best Buy gift cards and credit, plus for some reason, it was $100 less there, so that worked out.

[leo8877]

Wow Amazon ship times for the 256 gb 13" went up to 1-2 months...maybe I'll be waiting after all.

[th'FOOL]

Wow Amazon ship times for the 256 gb 13" went up to 1-2 months...maybe I'll be waiting after all.

Have you considered Apple.com?

[Exodor]

I have a $500 credit at Amazon

Somehow I doubt Apple.com will honor that.

[leo8877]

Wow Amazon ship times for the 256 gb 13" went up to 1-2 months...maybe I'll be waiting after all.

Have you considered Apple.com?

Yeah as Exodor pointed out, I have a $500 credit at Amazon that I'd like to use for this, otherwise I'd be off to my local Apple Store (or maybe even BB with their inexplicable $100 off sale).

[leo8877]

Wow Amazon ship times for the 256 gb 13" went up to 1-2 months...maybe I'll be waiting after all.

Have you considered Apple.com?

Yeah as Exodor pointed out, I have a $500 credit at Amazon that I'd like to use for this, otherwise I'd be off to my local Apple Store (or maybe even BB with their inexplicable $100 off sale).

Hot damn, glad I checked like a lunatic.  Amazon got some in stock and I got my order in!

[leo8877]

Wow Amazon ship times for the 256 gb 13" went up to 1-2 months...maybe I'll be waiting after all.

Have you considered Apple.com?

Yeah as Exodor pointed out, I have a $500 credit at Amazon that I'd like to use for this, otherwise I'd be off to my local Apple Store (or maybe even BB with their inexplicable $100 off sale).

Hot damn, glad I checked like a lunatic.  Amazon got some in stock and I got my order in!

Got my Air delivered tonight an hot damn it's the coolest thing ever...I love it!!

[leo8877]

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/29/itunes-match-allows-both-streaming-and-downloading-of-music/

Developer beta of iTunes was released today and it includes iTunes Match for the first time.  They have confirmed that it is not only cloud storage of your iTunes library, but streaming of your entire library as well.  I'm so in for $25 a year.

[SkyLander]

It's hard for me since 3 quarters of all the music I listen to, is on Spotify.

[gellar]

It's hard for me since 3 quarters of all the music I listen to, is on Spotify.

Yeah Spotify has pretty much nullified the need for iCloud for me.