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« on: April 17, 2008, 05:44:53 PM »

So I have been in my current position for a mere 9 months, and already I fear I am getting burned out.  I like my job, have a nice boss, but have some difficult coworkers.  I also am in need of training but every time a class comes up and I sign up for it I get pulled from the class by my boss because he can't rearrange my shifts for me to be able to go.  So here i am a Java Programmer with no Java experience and in need of some training.  Without the training I am limping by barely so I get really frustrated and feel rather useless in my job.  Sadly I do not learn well from reading books or web tutorials.  I am an auditory learner... I need to hear something, then see it then do it to learn it.  In college I got better grades when I didn't take notes then when I did.  So I just took two days off work, giving an excuse of my daughter being sick (which she is but not enough for me to have to stay home with her, she is fine enough to go to the sitter) simply because of feeling very burned out and depressed about it. 

Anyone else been in a similar situation and if so how did you cope with it?
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2008, 05:53:30 PM »

Ya man, if OO was up I could link you to my rants on my previous 3 years with my past employer.

Short answer - Quit if your boss won't make the time for you to be trained.  The reason you are burning out is you don't have the training to do the job that's expected of you.  If he/she is really a good boss, book a quick meeting in their office with the door closed and tell 'em the dealio.  It's not worth stewing over, and it makes your decision making process easier.  They either make the time, or you find another job (I wouldn't tell them that part).

I've been off for four weeks (quit my job, burned a few bridges that I won't ever need; which felt fantastic).  I'm back to a new job on Monday w/ a promotion and raise; and I'm the big cheese.  I will have nobody to blame but myself if the technology team fails. *gulp*
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2008, 06:00:58 PM »

Quote from: FishPants on April 17, 2008, 05:53:30 PM

Ya man, if OO was up I could link you to my rants on my previous 3 years with my past employer.

Short answer - Quit if your boss won't make the time for you to be trained.  The reason you are burning out is you don't have the training to do the job that's expected of you.  If he/she is really a good boss, book a quick meeting in their office with the door closed and tell 'em the dealio.  It's not worth stewing over, and it makes your decision making process easier.  They either make the time, or you find another job (I wouldn't tell them that part).

I've been off for four weeks (quit my job, burned a few bridges that I won't ever need; which felt fantastic).  I'm back to a new job on Monday w/ a promotion and raise; and I'm the big cheese.  I will have nobody to blame but myself if the technology team fails. *gulp*

Well the thing is, with my current employer as long as you don't screw up you are pretty much set for life with a job, it is very secure.  My pay is pretty good despite being an entry level programmer.  I guess what I am saying is I want to stick it out, I just need advice on how to do so, how to cope with the stress.  I really enjoyed my previous job, even if my boss was an idiot, but the pay just wasn't enough wtih my wife and I just having our first child and buying our first home.  I really don't have confidence that if I were to loose this job that I could find anything near as good as this.  Pittsburgh is a pretty bad market for tech jobs and I am not really qualified for much.
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2008, 06:06:59 PM »

Quote from: Arkon on April 17, 2008, 06:00:58 PM

Well the thing is, with my current employer as long as you don't screw up you are pretty much set for life with a job, it is very secure.  My pay is pretty good despite being an entry level programmer.  I guess what I am saying is I want to stick it out, I just need advice on how to do so, how to cope with the stress.  I really enjoyed my previous job, even if my boss was an idiot, but the pay just wasn't enough wtih my wife and I just having our first child and buying our first home.  I really don't have confidence that if I were to loose this job that I could find anything near as good as this.  Pittsburgh is a pretty bad market for tech jobs and I am not really qualified for much.

If you have a nice boss, go talk to him/her.  Let them know that you're feeling frustrated because you feel that you could contribute so much more to the company were you better trained.  You'd be surprised at how much better a response you can get by changing your verbiage so everything is for their gains and not so much yours.
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2008, 06:07:57 PM »

Any online classes? Or do online video/audio tutorials not work that well either? A lot out there for most programming languages.
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2008, 06:11:12 PM »

You're taking classes during business hours?  Is that common?  We are reimbursed for classes but it's expected we'll take them on our own time.  (Via night classes, online ect...)
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2008, 06:18:16 PM »

Quote from: Austin on April 17, 2008, 06:11:12 PM

You're taking classes during business hours?  Is that common?  We are reimbursed for classes but it's expected we'll take them on our own time.  (Via night classes, online ect...)

We are expected to take 5 days for training every year. They can bite me if they want me to do it on my own time. slywink
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2008, 06:35:02 PM »

wait, we're supposed to know what we're doing at our jobs?  Please, no one tell my boss that.  of course you probably could and he'd forget about it in about an hour....
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2008, 07:10:05 PM »

They just made some really assinine rules changes here at work, such that I am looking at working a few hours every night now.

I've been with this company for 18 years now, and am for the first time seriously thinking about updating my resume and putting it out there.

So yeah.  I'm there right now.
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2008, 07:20:49 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on April 17, 2008, 06:35:02 PM

wait, we're supposed to know what we're doing at our jobs?  Please, no one tell my boss that.  of course you probably could and he'd forget about it in about an hour....

Wait, I'm supposed to be actually working at my job? I wondered why I'm getting paid to surf these forums on a daily basis. biggrin
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2008, 07:51:08 PM »

A lot of companies have come to realize the benefit of training their employees.  Where I work we have a lot of training available.  I am heading to Raleigh RTP for two weeks (28th-9th) at the end of this month to learn more about NAS.

We have a ton of Cbt available as well and not just product specific stuff; they cover the gamut from programming - writing - speaking - math etc.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2008, 08:15:27 PM »

Quote from: Austin on April 17, 2008, 06:11:12 PM

You're taking classes during business hours?  Is that common?  We are reimbursed for classes but it's expected we'll take them on our own time.  (Via night classes, online ect...)

The classes I was going to take were taught in house.  I work for FedEx Ground, it is a rather large company with lots of internal resources.  Although I have been sent off site for training in both Unix and PL/SQL, and had on site training for Business Objects.  For some reason it is the Java that my boss has been holding me back on.  He claims the internal person who was teaching the class would be too difficult to follow.

I have been trying to go through online tutorials which you read than try and program along and it has helped.  I have a degree in software engineering, but it has been over 10 years since I used any of it.  And I learned C++, nothing visual, no GUI.

It also doesn't help that there is Java, and then there is TMS (The application I work on), which is some sort of bastardization, a good bit of it was written in 1.2.2 then upgraded to 1.4.2_13 which we now run.
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2008, 09:54:17 PM »

When I went to DeVry I had to take a Java programming class.  We had three contractors that worked for Bellsouth and their company paid for them to go to the java class at Devry.  Five students in the whole class I think or maybe it was six.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2008, 11:23:58 PM »

You could be explaining my situation to a tee with that post.  I work for State Government and the CIO decided to make the switch to all JAVA.  This would be great except that the training offered was widely considered worthless (A 3 day "bootcamp" where the instructure spent most of the time insulting the class), the infrastructure was not in place to support a move, and all work on current projects was required to be done in JAVA no matter how far along they were.

While we got our last project done it was hard and if not for paying our 2 elitist contractors an ungodly amount of money,  it would not have gotten done.  It was a large J2EE project and I still have no idea what I am doing since I learn better starting from the ground up instead of having someone make all the design decisions and such for me.  I can do the syntax just fine but the how, why and when to use things still escapes me and this is the first OO type of programming I have ever done.

Now it has been decided that I should be in charge of the Oracle BI Publisher part for reporting but of course I have nothing but a user manual to help me and nobody in the group who supports the Oracle apps has any idea how to use it.  We can afford $100k+ for license and maintenance agreements but training is not in the budget.

Needless to say I am sending out resumes currently.
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2008, 11:48:43 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on April 17, 2008, 07:20:49 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on April 17, 2008, 06:35:02 PM

wait, we're supposed to know what we're doing at our jobs?  Please, no one tell my boss that.  of course you probably could and he'd forget about it in about an hour....

Wait, I'm supposed to be actually working at my job? I wondered why I'm getting paid to surf these forums on a daily basis. biggrin

I try and appear productive-  you know, occasionally poking a piece of paper with a ruler, creating a problem that I can easily fix, calling in payroll....
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2008, 12:08:22 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on April 17, 2008, 11:48:43 PM

Quote from: Destructor on April 17, 2008, 07:20:49 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on April 17, 2008, 06:35:02 PM

wait, we're supposed to know what we're doing at our jobs?  Please, no one tell my boss that.  of course you probably could and he'd forget about it in about an hour....
Wait, I'm supposed to be actually working at my job? I wondered why I'm getting paid to surf these forums on a daily basis. biggrin
I try and appear productive-  you know, occasionally poking a piece of paper with a ruler, creating a problem that I can easily fix, calling in payroll....

From behind the counter where I work at (pharmacy), I look busy enough to all those concerned. And I do count a few pills from time to time. Sorry, nothing illicit.  Tongue
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2008, 01:02:49 AM »

I'm in a very similar position and am going on my second year there.  The total budget for the IT department of the school I work at has been $0 since I started frown  I have zero training on all the proprietary school and DOE software and have been barely limping by on hardware almost a decade old.

The teachers hate me because I am the face of everything that doesn't work.
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2008, 02:34:08 AM »

I can sorta relate.

I install VoIP phone systems. There is one developer for 70% of my work. He's a genius, but he is waaay too busy to train all of us on the system. He's Cuban, and his accent makes Ricky Ricardo sound like Bryant Gumble.  eek I once had to wait for 5 hours, with the system down, for him to have time to apply a 30 second fix.

Anywho, for the 6 weeks of training we went through, we were promised we would get 3-4 weeks of traveling with an experienced installer to get familiar with things. Budget cuts meant that idea went out the window. Now that I have been to customer sites twice, they have realized it was a horrible idea to do this. Instead of letting us shadow other installers, they have instituted a "Installer Helpdesk"...by pulling two installers overseas, and making them answer our "duh" questions.  Roll Eyes

It's pissing me off that I:

1. Can't answer my customer's questions. And since I am all alone onsite, my credibility is suspect in their eyes.
2. Have to train said customers. I know I won't be able to answer all their questions on the spot. Awesome.
3. Have to bug my coworkers, who are as busy as I am, for stuff I will know myself in 6 months of hell.


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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2008, 01:38:52 PM »

And now to be on topic:

I understand all of your pain. It's scary that I work in the medical profession (pharmacy tech) and we get absolutely NO training short of just working on the job. And as I've said many times before - I can kill people at my job if I utterly screw up and nobody catches my goof. Aren't you glad that you have an untrained workforce filling your prescriptions on software that was written in the 80's?
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2008, 03:32:03 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on April 18, 2008, 01:38:52 PM

And now to be on topic:

I understand all of your pain. It's scary that I work in the medical profession (pharmacy tech) and we get absolutely NO training short of just working on the job. And as I've said many times before - I can kill people at my job if I utterly screw up and nobody catches my goof. Aren't you glad that you have an untrained workforce filling your prescriptions on software that was written in the 80's?

thanks...thanks a lot.  now i know why my viagra prescription makes me suddenly lethargic. 

well, at least the housewives in my building no longer have to put up with me standing on my back porch in a smoking jacket and wearing an ascot while playing Barry White albums at full volume.
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