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« on: October 25, 2012, 02:08:54 PM »

Anyone taking the plunge?  I'm considering upgrading my laptop, but leaving my gaming rig Win 7 for the time being


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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2012, 02:29:08 PM »

IN!!
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2012, 03:07:58 PM »

Now that I know the Metro look isn't the whole shebang and a regular desktop still exists, I'm IN.  I've heard too many good things about other aspects of it.

I just have to clear 20GB on my laptop...

I'm also debating an upgrade of my XP desktop, which is fading...
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2012, 03:29:05 PM »

Considering the only new feature in Windows 8 that has sparked any interest at all with me is the inbuilt support for mounting disc images, and the Metro interface is going to annoy the hell out of me from the first second, I'm so far out I can't even see the damn thing.

Windows 9 is going to be awesome though.
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2012, 03:57:07 PM »

I love using the media player in the wasted space that is 16:10 aspect ratio.
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2012, 03:59:07 PM »

I just downloaded it from MS and tried it out on a test machine.  For some reason it refused to see the CD/DVD device after install (although it installed from it fine!  So I reformatted the machine.  Short test.

I will be waiting.
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2012, 04:08:12 PM »

Agreed that this one is really just going to be a stepping stone to W9, but I doubt Ballmer will be around for that.

I feel like there's a bad taste in folks mouths about Win8 that doesn't necessarily stem from anything real.  I know I had that.  They've been hyping the new Metro to such a degree that if I hadn't stumbled on a positive review that lead me to other reviews (I was so OUT on this OS, I wasn't even going to bother with reviews - I'd heard nothing but negatives from the Beta), I didn't know that there was a regular old desktop with it.

I think the Metro style just looks ugly and pointless on a big screen.  It was cool on WP7, but even with WP8, they're cramming too many tiles on it, and it's  a mess.  Blow that out to a laptop or desktop screen and make that your big advertising image, and you're going to lose a lot of people.

Plus, MS has set the pattern in people's minds.  First OS is a trial run.  Win95-->XP.  Vista-->Win7.  WP7-->WP8.  I don't know that WP8 is an improvement on WP7 (and I won't, since I left the platform, disgruntled), but they certainly abandoned the first attempt.

They've made the upgrade price beyond reasonable, but they are still going to have a tough time getting people to jump in.
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2012, 04:14:45 PM »

I'm out!  Tried a RC build and did not like it.
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2012, 04:17:30 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2012, 04:45:26 PM »

Yeah, there is no reason I would change from Windows 7 at this point. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2012, 04:52:36 PM »

Not until I have to because games require it or are better optimized to run on Win 8 or 9.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2012, 05:17:42 PM »

Been running it for a couple of months at home.  It's a'ight.
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2012, 05:53:17 PM »

No desire to learn a whole bunch of new interface conventions that are designed for touchscreens. If I ever buy a new machine that comes with Win 8 preinstalled, I won't fight it, but I have no desire to "upgrade" either my XP or my Win 7 machines.
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2012, 07:56:34 PM »

I'm still running Vista and desperately need to upgrade it, but I don't know if that's going to happen right away.
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2012, 12:35:05 AM »

#7 still doing what I need it to. I change Windows when the need to play the latest games insist on it.
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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2012, 02:00:17 AM »

I've been using it since before beta and I'm not going to upgrade.  Even if I got it free, I'd leave it in the box.  Without a touchscreen, i don't see a big reason to deal with the hassle. 

Btw, it's been funny reading reviews of the RT boxes and people complaining about the lack of apps as though it's MS' fault.  Do they not remember how barren the Android and iPhone markets were in their early days?
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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2012, 02:28:02 AM »

It doesn't help that Microsoft still hasn't released the sdk.
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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2012, 03:04:32 AM »

Quote from: Caine on October 26, 2012, 02:00:17 AM

I've been using it since before beta and I'm not going to upgrade.  Even if I got it free, I'd leave it in the box.  Without a touchscreen, i don't see a big reason to deal with the hassle. 

Btw, it's been funny reading reviews of the RT boxes and people complaining about the lack of apps as though it's MS' fault.  Do they not remember how barren the Android and iPhone markets were in their early days?

It's not early days.  The WP7 has been out for two years, and they haven't made a reasonable impact in terms of apps at all.
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2012, 03:16:00 AM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on October 26, 2012, 03:04:32 AM

Quote from: Caine on October 26, 2012, 02:00:17 AM

I've been using it since before beta and I'm not going to upgrade.  Even if I got it free, I'd leave it in the box.  Without a touchscreen, i don't see a big reason to deal with the hassle. 

Btw, it's been funny reading reviews of the RT boxes and people complaining about the lack of apps as though it's MS' fault.  Do they not remember how barren the Android and iPhone markets were in their early days?

It's not early days.  The WP7 has been out for two years, and they haven't made a reasonable impact in terms of apps at all.

With little over 2% marketshare, what did you expect? They have some of the big names, which is more than I can say for Blackberry.
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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2012, 04:14:20 AM »

Quote from: Purge on October 26, 2012, 03:16:00 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on October 26, 2012, 03:04:32 AM

Quote from: Caine on October 26, 2012, 02:00:17 AM

I've been using it since before beta and I'm not going to upgrade.  Even if I got it free, I'd leave it in the box.  Without a touchscreen, i don't see a big reason to deal with the hassle. 

Btw, it's been funny reading reviews of the RT boxes and people complaining about the lack of apps as though it's MS' fault.  Do they not remember how barren the Android and iPhone markets were in their early days?

It's not early days.  The WP7 has been out for two years, and they haven't made a reasonable impact in terms of apps at all.

With little over 2% marketshare, what did you expect? They have some of the big names, which is more than I can say for Blackberry.
talking about win RT, not wp7, but I'll answer that anyways. 

yes, they shot themselves in the foot with that wp7, launching as late as they did.  it's up to the dev to port the app to RT though.  which was my point.  the reviews have all panned the surface due to the market as it exists today.

that said, there should be around 6-700 RT supported apps on the market by now based on estimates. 

now, when it comes to the surface pro, this has me interested.  being able to have my steam catalog on the same portable machine as the more common tablet apps is damn cool.  sure, I won't be running every game on it, but it will make a killer portable system with the games that will run. 
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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2012, 04:18:33 AM »

I think it would be even nicer if Valve wrote a W8 native steam app.
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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2012, 04:33:54 AM »

totally, but considering Gabe's stance on W8 so far, I doubt he'd let it happen.

maybe a greenlight project?   icon_twisted
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2012, 12:30:58 PM »

Now that it's launch day, I'm getting cold feet.

I'm not sure my wife is going to be thrilled having to learn new ways to do old things.  Especially if they're not intuitive.
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2012, 01:55:43 PM »

downloaded for 39.99. Will install this weekend.
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2012, 03:52:03 PM »

Quote from: Purge on October 26, 2012, 04:18:33 AM

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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2012, 04:40:35 PM »

Quote from: Purge on October 26, 2012, 01:55:43 PM

downloaded for 39.99. Will install this weekend.

Where did you buy it for 39.99?
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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2012, 04:55:40 PM »

Quote from: Crusis on October 26, 2012, 04:40:35 PM

Quote from: Purge on October 26, 2012, 01:55:43 PM

downloaded for 39.99. Will install this weekend.

Where did you buy it for 39.99?

You can do it directly from Microsoft.
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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2012, 08:26:32 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on October 26, 2012, 04:55:40 PM

Quote from: Crusis on October 26, 2012, 04:40:35 PM

Quote from: Purge on October 26, 2012, 01:55:43 PM

downloaded for 39.99. Will install this weekend.

Where did you buy it for 39.99?

You can do it directly from Microsoft.

I'll give them $3.50.
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2012, 11:16:59 AM »

I still had WinXP, and couldn't play X-Com on that.

So for 30, it'll get me playing X-Com smile Good enough for me!

(Especially since Win7 would have cost me about 140)
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2012, 06:42:58 PM »

Installed it on my home PC this weekend - upgraded from the Beta.

Mixed feelings about the tie-in to my @live.ca account, but it makes sense from an integration perspective. It was wierd wiping my entire PC out to then sign in and have my lock screen wallpaper stay the same. FYI: I bought a 3TB WD USB3.0 drive to copy all my crap on it and free up all the local disks before wiping them ... I The Weghted Companion Cube will never threaten to stab you. USB 3.0.

You do *not* need to have your old OS installed to install this "upgrade" - just the USB / DVD you've installed it to, and the license key (xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx). I had some real problems getting my key to work ... it wasn't Windows 8 fault though, I still had (unknowingly) left the old W8Beta DVD in the other drive, and was booting off that instead of the retail version. *Fist Shaking*


I offer this advice to others, as I have before: install your OS onto an SSD, and use MKLINK to offload the larger applications to another non-SSD volume unless it makes sense.

Let me show you how....
I've got three 1TB drives, two seagates, one WD Black, and then my v100+ Sandisk 64GB SSD. I have them arranged thusly:

Drive 0 - SSD - 0064GB
Drive 1 - SG1 - 1024GB
Drive 2 - SG2 - 1024GB
Drive 3 - WD1 - 1024GB

I used the full drive 0 (SSD) as my C: drive, and completed the install. Drives 1, 2, 3 were wiped out and deleted partitions prior to install ( I didn't want anything lingering).

When I got into the system (and off DVD drive it took ~25 min w. 3 reboots) Windows was up and running with almost all devices working, save some DealExtreme multiport card reader - and it was working but was not using its own driver.

Went to the desktop (winkey+D iirc)
Right-click my computer -> manage ->Disk management

Set my two DVD drives to Y and Z
Formatted my WD black drive, set to D: drive
Formatted a seagate, set to E:
Added a mirror to E: and set the second Seagate to mirror it.


Hit winkey then type in "command" and the list of programs narrows down to the apps with that in the name.
Right-click on the listed command prompt, and then run as administrator.

The Desktop loads with the command prompt.
I'm anal about my command prompt, so I set the defaults to my preference by right-clicking the titlebar and change preferences:
-  quick edit mode
- increase command buffer to 999
- set width and height buffer to 9999
- set font to Consolas Bold 14pt
- set screen size to 150c x 50c
- set the background to dark blue and text to either grey or bright yellow
Save and say yes to set defaults to same

Then I did the following:

mkdir "D:\Program Files\32-bit"
mkdir "D:\Program Files\64-bit"
mklink /J "c:\Program Files\.hdd" "D:\Program Files\64-bit"
mklink /J "c:\Program Files (x86)\.hdd" "D:\Program Files\32-bit"

Then, whenever you install a monster in terms of disk use, add ".hdd/" to the install path. The app, registry settings, etc will be none the wiser. This also means you don't have to mount volumes inside empty NTFS folders.

I've also set up :
mkdir "C:\Faster Games\"
and then moved games that I play all the time (BL2, Diablo 3, etc) into that folder on C: and created the junction in the other direction...

mklink /J "D:\Program Files\32-bit\Steam\steamapps\common\Borderlands 2" "C:\Faster Games\Borderlands 2"

I don't recall if that is the exact path, but it's damned close. biggrin
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« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2012, 10:35:55 PM »

I'm just curious if you guys who are using it really like the Metro/box interface, and if you are using it on a touch screen.  I tried the customer preview a while back and really did not like it at all; I just jumped to the desktop as soon as I could.  This was not on a touch screen though.  Also in terms of new/better features, are there specific ones that would be good even if you only used the desktop interface?
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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2012, 01:20:23 AM »

Quote from: rittchard on October 29, 2012, 10:35:55 PM

I'm just curious if you guys who are using it really like the Metro/box interface, and if you are using it on a touch screen.  I tried the customer preview a while back and really did not like it at all; I just jumped to the desktop as soon as I could.  This was not on a touch screen though.  Also in terms of new/better features, are there specific ones that would be good even if you only used the desktop interface?

I'm using it on a full-blown i5 powered Samsung touch screen slate, and I think it is marvelous. Great cloud support. They are really going all out on a seamless look between Windows 8 PC, Windows 8 phones, and Xbox. Smartglass is very cool, along with Xbox music. In particular, Xbox music allows for free streaming of their entire archive of 350,000 songs.  A subscription garners you extra bonuses. But overall, it simply feels and acts like a "shell" placed over Windows 7. But a very well designed shell. If it wasn't for its exclusive games, I could easily see myself discarding the ipad.


On the desktop side I haven't noticed much change, but I haven't dug deep. Many of my programs now use between 5-25% less resources, however.
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« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2012, 04:52:20 AM »

I own a touch mouse, and it is fantastic on win8.

That being said, by no means is a touchscreen a requirement.
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