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« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2013, 01:27:05 PM »

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Ive had a really problem getting into the mazalan series.  I finished the first book but the second book throws any semblance of continuity out the window and its made it very difficult to get into it.

ROFL!  Lack of continuity, that's a good one.   Erickson has a certain flair.   

There are numerous characters.  And the cast grows with each book.  Gardens of the Moon: The first time I read it I only understood every other paragraph because characters were throwing out these nonsense words that I had never heard of before.  Soletaken? wha?  Why are nobles being slaughtered? Purge? huh?

His writing style is enigmatic.  He often alludes to something he doesn't bother to explain until 4 books later.  And sometimes he doesn't explain some things ever.  He leaves it up to you to discern by following all the oblique references thrown out by the characters.  I am reading forge of darkness now and half the characters are speaking in prose.  Freakin' elves! slywink 

Maintaining continuity?  No that is not a problem Erickson has.  The man is an archaelogist/anthropologist.  If he understands one thing, it's how to build on the bones of the past.

I urge you to continue the second book.  Yes it starts slowly, unlike Gardens of the Moon which began in battle.  In truth most of the malazan books are a slow start burn.  But once the dominoes start to fall, it becomes one heck of a ride.   Deadhouse Gates is exceptional (albeit not best book in the series, but Erickson sets a pretty high standard, imo).  As you come to learn more lore and find out just how deep this story is, you will learn to appreciate all the characters more.  Because of how heavily layered the Malazan series is, some concepts don't start to make sense until you get to House of Chains.

At least that's how it was for me.

Although it is fair to warn folks that the Malazan series is not for beginners.  It's very complex and there is a lot going on.  I would not recommend it for casual readers.

Oh and now that I think on it I recall that I had a similar reaction as yours when I read Deadhouse Gates the first time. If I were to guess you meant...

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Where is Whiskeyjack and Paran? Wtf?!?!  Who are all these new characters?  Why should I care about this? 

Memories of Ice is where most of the old gang is.  Memories of Ice happens along the same timeline as Deadhouse Gate.  Which should help give you some idea of the breadth of this particular story.  Two huge ass storylines running in tandem.



The thing about Deadhouse Gates is that as usual Erickson just drops you into the middle of chaos and expects you to sink or swim on your own.  Although he tells the story from in the trenches, the tale itself is not about a few central characters.  Although, of course, there are titans who rattle the foundations.   Deadhouse Gates is how Erickson establishes the sheer scope of the Malazan series because by the end you will be attached to a whole new cast of characters and you will see that this is about more than the Bridgeburners.  (This is why I find Erickson's quoted praise for The Black Company so telling, since he chose to use that same dynamic for how he writes his books) 

WoT is a good contrast.  WoT gives you a set of core characters and you ride with those characters through the entire 14 book series with a central viewpoint.  And you can easily stay in tune with what is happening.  WoT is an excellent intro-to-fantasy book for the 15+ age bracket.

Erickson is much more dense.  He sets undercurrents all over the place.  Gardens of the Moon easily qualifies as the kiddie pool.  It's the simplest and most concise book in the series.  The books that follow Gardens of the Moon each add more depth and breadth until you are no longer sitting in a pool but swimming in an ocean. 

 



Im sure, after reading the series continuity becomes evident.  Still the leap from Gardens of the Moon to Deadhouse Gates has a certain disconnect right at the start.  I most certainly wont give up on it, though and Im sure once I get further into book 2 and 3 things will become clearer.  My point was that for someone just getting into the series its a bit jarring. 
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« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2013, 05:10:08 AM »

Quote from: rshetts2 on September 03, 2013, 01:27:05 PM

Still the leap from Gardens of the Moon to Deadhouse Gates has a certain disconnect right at the start.  . 

Get used to it biggrin  This does not change from book to book. 

More often than not, the beginning of the next book in the series is going to introduce you to new characters and another core plot line.   

Ceekay's joke about names is a bullseye.  In my first read through, I could not remember all the names or backgrounds from book to book.  I'm horrible with names.   It was still an awesome read but I always felt like I was missing something because I couldn't connect all the dots for who was responsible for what etc.   

Part of the fun for me is connecting all the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle, which is likely why I enjoy the re-reads so much.  Easier to recognize the pieces and still discovering new links.

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My point was that for someone just getting into the series its a bit jarring. 

It is indeed. 
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« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2013, 08:02:57 AM »

25% of Memories of Light and I've got this weird dichotomy going where I want to read fast because it is really good but want to read slow because I know I'm reaching the end.  Bah!
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« Reply #43 on: September 05, 2013, 03:29:45 AM »

My experience reading Memories was the opposite.  I burned through it.   I started the series 16 yrs ago.  Finally reading the last book was more of a cathartic, "it's finally over" type moment.  In a positive completionist light, I mean.

I think I had "aww it's over" sadness more with Dragonlance: Chronicles... and then Legends...  of course each of those complete trilogies is the equivalent of 1 WoT book in length.  So it may be an endurance issue.  Finishing a 100yard dash vs finishing a 10K....
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« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2013, 06:04:04 PM »

Just finished Path of Daggers yesterday.  Enjoying these middle books more than expected, probably since I have them all available at once.  Looking forward to getting to the Sanderson volumes, as well.
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« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2013, 09:37:56 AM »

Quote from: Kraegor on September 05, 2013, 03:29:45 AM

My experience reading Memories was the opposite.  I burned through it.   I started the series 16 yrs ago.  Finally reading the last book was more of a cathartic, "it's finally over" type moment.  In a positive completionist light, I mean.

I just said I wanted to read slow to savor it.  Not that I am actually pulling that off.  smile 

Actually, life is ticking me off by throwing up reading time barriers.  When I do get time, I'm plowing through...I'm just not getting the time I want.  This weekend I had expected to finish, but now I find myself working in the plant 1500 miles from home.  Grrrrrr....  Still, got an additional 10% done on the plane ride out here (up to 62%).  smile
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« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2013, 12:48:12 PM »

Finished the series.  Sanderson did an excellent job filling in for Jordan.  I liked how he managed to work a lot of the peripheral characters into the final book while still keeping the focus on the central cast.  A very satisfying ending to a series people have invested 20 years into.  Im saddened that Jordan never got to see it through but I doubt they could have found anyone better than Sanderson to close that monster series out. 
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« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2013, 11:37:42 AM »

92% through Memories of Light.  Plan to finish up today on the plane.  Was very hard to stop reading and go to bed last night - stupid adult responsibilities!!!
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« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2013, 02:18:20 AM »

Finished today.  I'll try to remember to come back when this thread becomes fully spoilerific and see what you guys thought.  smile
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« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2013, 04:06:06 AM »

Just started book 1 again.

Spoiler for Hiden:
Rand just met Moiraine
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« Reply #50 on: October 15, 2013, 05:59:01 PM »

I just finished book 10, I skipped my review of book 9 but I can lump them both into the same category. To me books 9 and 10 are the worst of the bunch so far, they crawl along at a pace slower than a snail in a wheelchair.

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At the end of book 10 Egwene is still trying to retake the White Tower, Mat is still trying to get away from Ebu Dar, Perrin is still trying to get Faile back, Elayne is still trying to claim her throne, and Rand is hardly even in the book. I realize books 8, 9, and 10 take place over the course of about three months, but good god please move the story along. I don't need two entire chapters devoted to Perrin gathering grain for his army. If I read these books when they first came out spaced apart by a year I don't think I would get through them, literally nothing happens in part 10 that couldn't have been squeezed  into book 9.

In short there are only 4 more books left, the pace has to pick up or the Dark One will arrive and everyone will be so wrapped up in their own little drama that no one will even notice.
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« Reply #51 on: October 15, 2013, 06:49:35 PM »

Book 2.

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At the point where braid-tugger was nekkid and became Accepted.
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« Reply #52 on: October 15, 2013, 09:27:27 PM »

I tried again, but I cannot...get...past...BOOK..SEVEN! ITS SOO BORING!
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« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2013, 12:02:45 AM »

Quote from: Razgon on October 15, 2013, 09:27:27 PM

I tried again, but I cannot...get...past...BOOK..SEVEN! ITS SOO BORING!

If you thought 7 was boring then wait till you get to 10. Better yet, skip 10 and just read the wiki page for spoilers, trust me you won't miss anything.
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« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2013, 11:34:23 AM »

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Quote from: Razgon on October 15, 2013, 09:27:27 PM

I tried again, but I cannot...get...past...BOOK..SEVEN! ITS SOO BORING!

If you thought 7 was boring then wait till you get to 10. Better yet, skip 10 and just read the wiki page for spoilers, trust me you won't miss anything.

On the plus side, the series really kicks it in gear after book 10 and IMHO the final 4 books pay off well.  The truth of the matter is that Jordan could have condensed books 7-10 into one novel and it would have helped the series immensely.   
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« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2013, 11:41:21 AM »

Perhaps a graphic novel of those books would help.

I know its the internet and we are all prone to exaggeration here, but MAN, I can't read anymore about Rands problems with women...its frustrating *smooths skirt and tugs braids*!
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« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2013, 03:13:37 PM »

Quote from: Razgon on October 16, 2013, 11:41:21 AM

Perhaps a graphic novel of those books would help.

I know its the internet and we are all prone to exaggeration here, but MAN, I can't read anymore about Rands problems with women...its frustrating *smooths skirt and tugs braids*!

Well he does have three of them hes dealing with, not sure how thats possible actually.  I cant handle one, so three?!  Thats truly the mark of fantasy fiction.
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« Reply #57 on: October 16, 2013, 03:30:25 PM »

Quote from: rshetts2 on October 16, 2013, 03:13:37 PM

Quote from: Razgon on October 16, 2013, 11:41:21 AM

Perhaps a graphic novel of those books would help.

I know its the internet and we are all prone to exaggeration here, but MAN, I can't read anymore about Rands problems with women...its frustrating *smooths skirt and tugs braids*!

Well he does have three of them hes dealing with, not sure how thats possible actually.  I cant handle one, so three?!  Thats truly the mark of fantasy fiction.

Romantic Horror.

Fantasy would involve far less talking, and tugging of braids and skirt-smoothing would be in an entirely different context.
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« Reply #58 on: October 17, 2013, 07:28:53 AM »

Quote from: Purge on October 16, 2013, 03:30:25 PM

Quote from: rshetts2 on October 16, 2013, 03:13:37 PM

Quote from: Razgon on October 16, 2013, 11:41:21 AM

Perhaps a graphic novel of those books would help.

I know its the internet and we are all prone to exaggeration here, but MAN, I can't read anymore about Rands problems with women...its frustrating *smooths skirt and tugs braids*!

Well he does have three of them hes dealing with, not sure how thats possible actually.  I cant handle one, so three?!  Thats truly the mark of fantasy fiction.

Romantic Horror.

Fantasy would involve far less talking, and tugging of braids and skirt-smoothing would be in an entirely different context.

Haha, that had me chuckling here at work, and people eyeing me sceptically :-D
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« Reply #59 on: October 20, 2013, 02:53:23 AM »

Onto book 3...
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« Reply #60 on: October 20, 2013, 03:41:57 AM »

Quote from: Purge on October 20, 2013, 02:53:23 AM

Onto book 3... <tugs braid>
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« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2013, 01:06:29 PM »

I finished book 5 last night and am still really enjoying my reread...two more books before I'm caught up to where I stopped 15 years ago, but it's been so long that it's practically like starting over anyway. I remember some of the more major plot points, but the details are what make this story so great.

After reading the last three books back to back, I am taking a short break to read something else quickly. I'm enjoying my WoT read, but I don't want to burn out by trying to blast through 14 books of the same thing. I should be back into it within two weeks though...
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« Reply #62 on: October 21, 2013, 01:07:30 PM »

I finished book 5 last night and am still really enjoying my reread...two more books before I'm caught up to where I stopped 15 years ago, but it's been so long that it's practically like starting over anyway. I remember some of the more major plot points, but the details are what make this story so great.

After reading the last three books back to back, I am taking a short break to read something else quickly. I'm enjoying my WoT read, but I don't want to burn out by trying to blast through 14 books of the same thing. I should be back into it within two weeks though...
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« Reply #63 on: October 21, 2013, 01:24:38 PM »

Quote from: disarm on October 21, 2013, 01:06:29 PM

I finished book 5 last night and am still really enjoying my reread...two more books before I'm caught up to where I stopped 15 years ago, but it's been so long that it's practically like starting over anyway. I remember some of the more major plot points, but the details are what make this story so great.

After reading the last three books back to back, I am taking a short break to read something else quickly. I'm enjoying my WoT read, but I don't want to burn out by trying to blast through 14 books of the same thing. I should be back into it within two weeks though...

Dont worry - you'll hit the brick wall no matter what Im sure in a few books.
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« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2013, 06:12:05 PM »

FWIW, I never hit the brick wall.  I liked them all and 7-10 were much better than I remember when trying to read them the first time through.  Of course I was reading them at about 1 book/week pace - so the whole thing was like a long mini-series.
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« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2013, 07:35:51 PM »

sofar:

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I`ve pretty much cleared the area where he f***ing re-explains everything from Aes Sedai to what Rand is ... I`m up to the point where Mat is healed and eating like crazy.
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« Reply #66 on: October 25, 2013, 09:00:18 PM »

* CeeKay tugs his braid, just because
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« Reply #67 on: October 25, 2013, 09:46:30 PM »

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sofar:

Spoiler for Hiden:
I`ve pretty much cleared the area where he f***ing re-explains everything from Aes Sedai to what Rand is ... I`m up to the point where Mat is healed and eating like crazy.

You're still in the early part of the story. Enjoy it.
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« Reply #68 on: October 25, 2013, 10:52:41 PM »

I've gone to book 10ish.

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I finished the book where he cleaned the taint. Oh, *that* doesn't have a different context ... Tongue
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« Reply #69 on: October 27, 2013, 01:43:58 PM »

Quote from: Purge on October 25, 2013, 10:52:41 PM

I've gone to book 10ish.

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I finished the book where he cleaned the taint. Oh, *that* doesn't have a different context ... Tongue

I think that was book 9.
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« Reply #70 on: October 27, 2013, 03:13:47 PM »

Right ... TO book 10. biggrin I gave up during book 10's reintroduction to what an Aes Sedai was.
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« Reply #71 on: October 28, 2013, 10:51:50 AM »

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Right ... TO book 10. biggrin I gave up during book 10's reintroduction to what an Aes Sedai was.

Yeah 10 is a slog. Like I said earlier in the thread, once you get to 10 just skip it and read the wiki for it, you won't miss a thing.
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« Reply #72 on: October 28, 2013, 10:57:24 AM »

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Onto book 3...


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Right ... TO book 10. biggrin I gave up during book 10's reintroduction to what an Aes Sedai was.

Did you just read 7 books in 7 days?!?
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« Reply #73 on: October 28, 2013, 03:21:54 PM »

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Quote from: Purge on October 20, 2013, 02:53:23 AM

Onto book 3...


Quote from: Purge on October 27, 2013, 03:13:47 PM

Right ... TO book 10. biggrin I gave up during book 10's reintroduction to what an Aes Sedai was.

Did you just read 7 books in 7 days?!?

No, I was clarifying how  far I've ever gone in the series. I finished reading 9 when it just came out, and then tried to pick up book 10 but couldn't remember enough of the important things to want to trust the "reintroduction" of every concept over the first four-to-six chapters.

Book 3 is still fun. I keep reading about Tear and Callendor, and wondering when shit gets furrealzyo.
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« Reply #74 on: October 28, 2013, 03:43:40 PM »

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I keep reading about Tear and Callendor, and wondering when shit gets furrealzyo.

Book 12 slywink
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I don't know if you're the capital of Jackassland, but you sure are on the map. Tongue
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« Reply #76 on: October 28, 2013, 06:08:52 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on October 28, 2013, 03:43:40 PM

Quote from: Purge on October 28, 2013, 03:21:54 PM

I keep reading about Tear and Callendor, and wondering when shit gets furrealzyo.

Book 12 slywink

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« Reply #77 on: October 28, 2013, 06:56:24 PM »

Quote from: Scraper on October 28, 2013, 06:08:52 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on October 28, 2013, 03:43:40 PM

Quote from: Purge on October 28, 2013, 03:21:54 PM

I keep reading about Tear and Callendor, and wondering when shit gets furrealzyo.

Book 12 slywink

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and straightened his skirt!
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« Reply #78 on: December 13, 2013, 07:59:07 PM »

I just finished book 12. All I can say is thank god for Brandon Sanderson. He literally saved this series. 12 is easily the best book since book 3. So many things happen and a ton of things are (wait for it....) actually wrapped up. This has me really looking forward to the last 2 books and the eventual end.

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I really hope they bring Taim back into the story soon, he hasn't been seen since around book 7 or 8 and I know he's up to something evil. Also, I really hope the Seanchan get what is coming to them, they're a bunch of delusional bastards Tuan included.
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« Reply #79 on: December 14, 2013, 04:36:42 PM »

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I just finished book 12. All I can say is thank god for Brandon Sanderson. He literally saved this series. 12 is easily the best book since book 3. So many things happen and a ton of things are (wait for it....) actually wrapped up. This has me really looking forward to the last 2 books and the eventual end.

Spoiler for Hiden:
I really hope they bring Taim back into the story soon, he hasn't been seen since around book 7 or 8 and I know he's up to something evil. Also, I really hope the Seanchan get what is coming to them, they're a bunch of delusional bastards Tuan included.

Sanderson does an excellent job of wrapping up the series in a satisfying way.  He does manage to reach back into the entire series and even some fairly innocuous characters play a role in the finale.  Picking Sanderson to finish the series was a very smart move by Jordan's heirs.   
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