Gene Wilder-'Willy Wonka' remake was an Insult

[metallicorphan]

so,just for the record (and to go off topic again )


Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory-wasn't keen on it
Alice In wonderland-quite liked it
Sweeney Todd-absolutely loved it

He needs to find or create source material equal to his talents. He should step out of his comfort zone, perhaps make a romantic comedy, or buddy cop film.

is this Depp or Burton we are talking about?


I just found out the other day BTW,that Helena Bonham Carter is in The Lone Ranger with Depp,LOL

[hepcat]

I'm guessing he's talking about Burton as Depp has always sought out roles that challenge him...

...well...he USED to do that a lot.  Lately...not so much.

[YellowKing]

Hepcat, now you've made me go and make a Burton list!!! Obviously this is personal opinion, but I wanted to see if my analysis was correct. For sake of simplicity, I'm only listing feature-length movies Burton directed.

Title-Date-Depp Factor-Good/Sucked
Beetlejuice - 1988 - No Depp - Good
Batman - 1989 - No Depp - Good
Edward Scissorhands - 1990 - Depp - Good
Batman Returns - No Depp - 1992 - Sucked
Ed Wood - 1994 - Depp - Good
Mars Attacks! - 1996 - No Depp - Sucked
Sleepy Hollow - 1999 - Depp - Good
Planet of the Apes - 2001 - No Depp - Sucked
Big Fish - 2003 - No Depp - Good
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 2005 - Depp - Sucked
Corpse Bride - 2005 - Depp - Good
Sweeney Todd - 2007 - Depp - Good
Alice in Wonderland - 2010 - Depp - Sucked
Dark Shadows - 2012 - Depp - Sucked
Frankenweenie - 2012 - No Depp - Good

Movies without Johnny Depp that were good - 4
Movies with Johnny Depp that were good - 5
Movies without Johnny Depp that sucked - 3
Movies with Johnny Depp that sucked - 3

So it looks like Burton is equally adept at making a good movie or a sucky movie with or without Johnny Depp. However, the evidence states that Depp slightly weighs the outcome in favor of the movie being good vs sucking. Obviously if you were more favorable to Alice in Wonderland and Charlie & The Chocolate Factory then I was, then the influence is even more overwhelming.

Thus I begrudgingly take back my comment. However, I still argue that the "Depp Factor" may still be due to sheer volume of collaborations. I believe we need another 10-20 years of Burton films to be sure.

[CeeKay]

Dark Shadows was horribly wasted.

[metallicorphan]

I quite liked Batman Returns,LOL(especially compared to 3 and 4)

[CeeKay]

BR was good until the end when the penguins sprouted rocket launchers.

[hepcat]

Dark Shadows was horribly wasted.

Oh god yes.  What a huge pile of crap that was.  "I'm a werewolf, get over it." was like Burton waving his middle finger in the collective face of audiences everywhere.  Being lazy when writing a script is one thing...flaunting that laziness is another.

Looking over YK's list, I realized I like far more of his movies than I hate though.  Ed Wood is just genius, in my opinion.  But Big Fish, Sleepy Hallow, Mars Attacks...fun movies all, for me at least (Edward Scissorhands makes me tear up a bit every single damn time I watch it so I can't call it "fun"...but I do believe it's a great movie).

[metallicorphan]

BR was good until the end when the penguins sprouted rocket launchers.

Oh yeah,i forgot about that part

Dark Shadows gets premiered on Sky movies this Friday,i'll SKY+ it

[CeeKay]

prepare for disappointment.

[Lee]

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory-wasn't keen on it
Alice In wonderland-quite liked it
Sweeney Todd-absolutely loved it

I must be a fan boy, for the above 3:
Loved
Liked
Absolutely loved, amazing movie

[hitbyambulance]

Hepcat, now you've made me go and make a Burton list!!! Obviously this is personal opinion, but I wanted to see if my analysis was correct. For sake of simplicity, I'm only listing feature-length movies Burton directed.

Title-Date-Depp Factor-Good/Sucked

ahem

1985 Pee-Wee's Big Adventure  No Depp  Good

[hepcat]

I would go so far as "very good".   

"I'm a loner, Dottie...a rebel."

[YellowKing]

Yeah, not sure how I missed Pee-Wee's Big Adventure. That's one of my favorite movies of all time! And I'm not being ironic when I say that movie is pure genius - I've seen it easily 20 or 30 times, if not more. There was a point in my youth when I could pretty much recite the entire film line by line.

That brings the Depp/No Depp score to even, no? Then I retract my retraction!  

The LAW!

[Bullwinkle]

the re-make definitely hit it out of the park for the Oompas.

Hated the Oompa Loompas in the remake.

Also, to answer a question mo had about Roald Dahl in the States: I would say he's pretty popular.  His stuff is always available, and kids still seem to read them a lot.  I know my daughter does, and some of her friends, too.

As for YK's list, mine would line up pretty closely with that, although I didn't hate Batman Returns, didn't love Sleepy Hollow and also liked Alice in Wonderland more than I expected.  I'd agree with Hep that Ed Wood is genius.  Probably his best film.

Also, um, Nightmare Before Christmas?

[Suitably Ironic Moniker]

Nightmare Before Christmas wasn't directed by Burton, he wrote it. Henry Selick (Coraline) directed it.

[Razgon]

Nightmare Before Christmas wasn't directed by Burton, he wrote it. Henry Selick (Coraline) directed it.

One of my favorite movies of all times.

I don't get all the new-CATCF hate, but then again, I never saw the original until recently. I guess its one of those "You ruined my childhood" things that I never understand. If you don't like it, just stay clear? It shouldn't ruin your childhood experiences,and you are most certainly (probably?) free to have your children watch the edition you want.

I'm a huge fan of Johnny Depp, and I think he did it splendidly. For all its fun and games, there is a huge undercurrent of danger in the movie. I also haven't read the original book though, so I'm unsure whether that was there as well? I'm actually unsure whether there is any truth to the whole Michael Jackson look-alike thing that Depp and Burton has been accused of, but it certainly adds another dimension to the movie.

I guess what I'm trying to add to the conversation, is that live and let live is a good rule to live by.

[Isgrimnur]

I've fallen asleep through NBC twice, once in the theater.  I don't care for what I've seen, didn't change my mind when the ex-gf was working her way through Kingdom Hearts.

And I honestly don't care for much of Burton's stuff to the point where I attempt to avoid it when I see he's attached.  My enjoyment of his stuff stops at Beetlejuice and his Batmans.  Sleepy Hollow was meh.