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rittchard
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« on: September 25, 2015, 07:44:48 PM »

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2 hour premiere last night.  Early reviews I read were not very positive, and to some extent I have to agree with them.  Too many characters, too many subplots, too hard to identify with any one or two particular characters, perhaps too ambitious too quickly. 

That said, overall I'd give it a thumbs up for fans of the original series.  It seems like there is a larger storyline that could be fairly compelling (something is coming and only the heroes can save us!), and they set up a good "mystery" in Suresh blowing up the building.

Using HRG as the core anchor was smart, since he was one of the few decent real actors in the original show.  He does a good job carrying the bulk of the show.  Some of the other characters certainly have promise, but again, there were just too many too quickly and there was too much jumping around.  The original series was strongest when it stayed focused, and this second incarnation is in danger of running astray.  In the preview you can see even more characters still upcoming (Hiro, Matt, Suresh, Ali Larter's grown up son - I think I saw him, etc).   

I thought Chuck's storyline was interesting when I read about it originally, but in the show it came off heavy-handed and even unreasonable.  Not just because the actor portraying him is Chuck, but just in general.  Being angry and wanting revenge is one thing, but systematically targeting and assassinating what amounts to an entire race just doesn't seem reasonable.  But they didn't make the character appear crazy in any way at all (the wife maybe a little more so), so it just didn't work for me.

The teenage boy, I'll call him Pan because I can't remember his name and I think he played Peter Pan in Once Upon a Time, looks to be the answer to Claire (high school angst plot and for some reason is special/important) plus Hiro (teleporting powers).  Not a big fan but I thought this part of the show worked for the most part.

Clearly the intended highlight for Hiro fanboys and gaming nerds is "Katana Girl" which was really the only cool action-y hero.  She looks like she has potential for sure, but I felt like they were trying a bit too hard to recreate the original Hiro magic (for lack of a better characterization).  And I don't really get her "power" - she can transfer herself into a game?  Or is it deeper in that she can turn herself into digital bits and reconstruct herself? 

Anyway, I'm excited to see more, but I have a feeling this premiere is going to lose and confuse more fans than it will gain.  Time will tell!
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2015, 09:59:21 PM »

I have to disagree with the Katana Girl assessment. I thought it almost torpedoed the entire show. I actually rolled my eyes when I saw it. It was sooooo dumb. Any time movies or TV try to portray gaming or computers they always fail miserably, and this was no exception. It seriously almost ruined the entire two hour block for me.

As far as the rest of it, about the only two characters I really like are Pan and HRG. Pan is a great Claire replacement and his power is interesting.

Unfortunately I just get a very strong vibe of "Heroes mediocrity" - it's the same exact vibe I got in Seasons 3 & 4. I was hoping they would come in with some complete bad-assery, completely rebooting the franchise. Instead, it felt more like they're just continuing the mediocrity of Season 4 with some minor tweaks.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2015, 07:19:51 PM »

I have to agree with YK.  Although I disagree that it almost torpedoed the show as I really don't think it would've been much better without Katana Girl.  The only bright spot in the entire mess of this show was Zachary Levi channeling Dirty Harry.  I could watch that for hours.
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2015, 11:12:56 PM »

Well in all honesty I felt like Hiro in many ways helped torpedo the original show, but he was clearly considered a "fan favorite" from day one.  So much so that the writers started to expand his role even though the guy wasn't even a real actor.  Personally I thought his powers were too powerful and his acting was atrocious.  But for whatever reason a lot of people liked the Japanese comic book-y fanboy archetype, and I felt that's what they were trying to capitalize on with Katana Girl and her follower boy.  I didn't say I actually liked the character, but I did feel like there was still a chance for it to be redeeming if they clarify the power as being something interesting and that makes sense.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2015, 11:51:14 PM »

The best thing they could do for the show is to fire Tim Kring.  The guy is a hack.
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2015, 04:46:19 PM »

Quote from: hepcat
The best thing they could do for the show is to fire Tim Kring.  The guy is a hack.

Hack? The guy co-wrote Teen Wolf Too!
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2015, 07:01:33 PM »

Have you guys still been watching? 

The last two episodes (2-part) really brought the story together and I was very pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed it.  Sure they played fast and loose with time travel elements, but for the most part it felt pretty consistent, and they explained most of the key plot elements from the premiere.  Plus they tied the story with the original series extremely well.

It's unfortunate they didn't tighten the scripting/characters more in the early episodes, as the focus they put on these last two was really what should have been the emphasis of the show all along.  Frankly as much as I love Zachary Levi, they could have eliminated his entire storyline and it wouldn't have impacted the main plot.  Ditto on the Hispanic family, though at least we got to see some minor ties to the main plot.  I think they tried way too hard at the outset to diversify their cast and storylines, and ended up overloading the audience with a bunch of non-compelling side stories.  This was one of the same problems they had in the original series.  I guess you could argue they wanted to throw in some "red herrings" so you didn't know which characters were important to the main story, but I just don't think it was done effectively.  I'm guessing more people were alienated by the overload than were patient enough to see where they headed.
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2016, 08:55:53 PM »

It's over!  I guess that the show got cancelled so that was the series finale.

In spite of all the things that went wrong, there were just about enough good elements that I'm glad I watched it. 

Sadly a missed opportunity overall, it seems like they didn't learn enough from the mistakes they made the first go-around.   And made really poor decisions such as with Zachary Levi's character.  I don't know who vetted it, but even the description on paper sounded problematic to me.
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2016, 05:11:09 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on January 22, 2016, 08:55:53 PM

It's over!  I guess that the show got cancelled so that was the series finale.

In spite of all the things that went wrong, there were just about enough good elements that I'm glad I watched it. 

Sadly a missed opportunity overall, it seems like they didn't learn enough from the mistakes they made the first go-around.   And made really poor decisions such as with Zachary Levi's character.  I don't know who vetted it, but even the description on paper sounded problematic to me.

Still have to watch the last 2 episodes, but I don't believe it was canceled..more like it was written/expected to only be one season.
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2016, 06:23:39 PM »

Unfortunately it never redeemed itself for me. Time to let this horse die, as they still can't seem to learn their lesson.
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2016, 09:30:07 PM »

Quote from: Punisher on January 26, 2016, 05:11:09 PM

Quote from: rittchard on January 22, 2016, 08:55:53 PM

It's over!  I guess that the show got cancelled so that was the series finale.

In spite of all the things that went wrong, there were just about enough good elements that I'm glad I watched it. 

Sadly a missed opportunity overall, it seems like they didn't learn enough from the mistakes they made the first go-around.   And made really poor decisions such as with Zachary Levi's character.  I don't know who vetted it, but even the description on paper sounded problematic to me.

Still have to watch the last 2 episodes, but I don't believe it was canceled..more like it was written/expected to only be one season.

I'm sure if the ratings had been decent they would have continued, there's certainly more story to tell if they wanted.  I'd argue with how they left things it could make for a better story with less characters to worry about.  But sounds like you are correct on what NBC is saying. 

http://tvline.com/2016/01/13/heroes-reborn-season-2-cancelled-not-returning-nbc/
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