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« on: January 15, 2014, 10:55:37 AM »

Surprised this wasn't posted yet, but yesterday a DC Appeals Court struck down parts of the FCC Net Neutrality


Quote from: The Verge
A federal appeals court has struck down important segments of the FCC's Open Internet rules, determining that the agency doesn't have the power to require internet service providers to treat all traffic equally. The DC circuit court has ruled on Verizon v. FCC, a challenge to the net neutrality rules put in place in 2010, vacating the FCC's anti-discrimination and anti-blocking policies, though it preserved disclosure requirements that Verizon opposed — in other words, carriers can make some traffic run faster or block other services, but they have to tell subscribers.


While all the major carriers have come out and stated nothing will change I can imagine they are finding ways to monetize this and it will affect consumers negatively
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2014, 04:09:02 PM »

I was rather disappointed about this but I don't know enough of the subtle points to know if I should be really upset or if this is just an anomaly.

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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2014, 04:23:54 PM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on January 15, 2014, 10:55:37 AM

While all the major carriers have come out and stated nothing will change I can imagine they are finding ways to monetize this and it will affect consumers negatively

AT&T came out with their announcement of 'toll-free data' before the ruling came down.  Basically, content providers can pay AT&T so that consumers can view/download their content where it doesn't count against the consumers' data package limits.
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2014, 04:53:56 PM »

another win for the corporations.  great
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2014, 05:38:50 PM »

I think the hope is that the FCC will re-classify online connections to common carrier. Which would give them a much stronger leg to dictate terms. The problem is the FCC chairman was a lobbyist for cable & wireless. Which isn't to say he won't do something but more than likely will not. We really need an FCC that has the guts to go all in but I just don't see that happening.

Now if you will excuse me I have to go bleach my brain after reading a comment on GigaOm from an idiot that thinks neutrality is a bad thing.
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2014, 10:09:16 AM »

Yeah this sucks. Apparently in Canada,  Rogers cable is coming out with their own streaming service. They could make Netflix count against your bandwith limit but not the amount that you use through their own streaming service. Internet providers should not also be the content providers.
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2014, 03:27:27 PM »

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Internet providers should not also be the content providers.

There should at least be internal firewalls that prevent them from being in the same business unit.  Just imagine if Time Warner hadn't spun off their cable unit. 
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2014, 06:28:39 PM »

Well it's pretty much confirmed that net neutrality is dead. Hooray for closed door promises and lobbyists becoming policy makers and policy makers becoming lobbyists.
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2014, 06:39:48 PM »

Quote from: Andrew Wonser on April 24, 2014, 06:28:39 PM

Well it's pretty much confirmed that net neutrality is dead. Hooray for closed door promises and lobbyists becoming policy makers and policy makers becoming lobbyists.

Yep, I am pretty liberal, but honestly with this, f*** Obama. No different than any other politician, appointing a lobbyist to the head of the FCC was BS, now we the consumers get the brunt of the costs yet again while the businesses prosper.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2014, 09:09:04 PM »

Quote from: Lee on April 24, 2014, 06:39:48 PM

Quote from: Andrew Wonser on April 24, 2014, 06:28:39 PM

Well it's pretty much confirmed that net neutrality is dead. Hooray for closed door promises and lobbyists becoming policy makers and policy makers becoming lobbyists.

Yep, I am pretty liberal, but honestly with this, f*** Obama.

HOPE!
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2014, 09:36:49 PM »

Quote from: Lee on April 24, 2014, 06:39:48 PM

Quote from: Andrew Wonser on April 24, 2014, 06:28:39 PM

Well it's pretty much confirmed that net neutrality is dead. Hooray for closed door promises and lobbyists becoming policy makers and policy makers becoming lobbyists.

Yep, I am pretty liberal, but honestly with this, f*** Obama. No different than any other politician, appointing a lobbyist to the head of the FCC was BS, now we the consumers get the brunt of the costs yet again while the businesses prosper.

I've long been of the opinion that the majority of our elected officials across the board on both the local and federal levels have been bought and sold for years. While I trend towards agreeing with perspectives espoused by liberals, I stopped deluding myself that politicians as a group are concerned with the well being of our country or it's people over money and power. Makes me fucking sick.
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2014, 10:13:33 PM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on April 24, 2014, 09:36:49 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 24, 2014, 06:39:48 PM

Quote from: Andrew Wonser on April 24, 2014, 06:28:39 PM

Well it's pretty much confirmed that net neutrality is dead. Hooray for closed door promises and lobbyists becoming policy makers and policy makers becoming lobbyists.

Yep, I am pretty liberal, but honestly with this, f*** Obama. No different than any other politician, appointing a lobbyist to the head of the FCC was BS, now we the consumers get the brunt of the costs yet again while the businesses prosper.

I've long been of the opinion that the majority of our elected officials across the board on both the local and federal levels have been bought and sold for years.

This is the truth.
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2014, 11:11:49 PM »

Quote from: ATB on April 24, 2014, 10:13:33 PM

Quote from: th'FOOL on April 24, 2014, 09:36:49 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 24, 2014, 06:39:48 PM

Quote from: Andrew Wonser on April 24, 2014, 06:28:39 PM

Well it's pretty much confirmed that net neutrality is dead. Hooray for closed door promises and lobbyists becoming policy makers and policy makers becoming lobbyists.

Yep, I am pretty liberal, but honestly with this, f*** Obama. No different than any other politician, appointing a lobbyist to the head of the FCC was BS, now we the consumers get the brunt of the costs yet again while the businesses prosper.

I've long been of the opinion that the majority of our elected officials across the board on both the local and federal levels have been bought and sold for years.

This is the truth.

More here.

http://benswann.com/princeton-study-declares-u-s-government-an-oligarchy/
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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2014, 11:27:03 PM »

Quote from: Lee on April 24, 2014, 06:39:48 PM

Quote from: Andrew Wonser on April 24, 2014, 06:28:39 PM

Well it's pretty much confirmed that net neutrality is dead. Hooray for closed door promises and lobbyists becoming policy makers and policy makers becoming lobbyists.

Yep, I am pretty liberal, but honestly with this, f*** Obama.


I notice that linked article omits a few key points about the backstory here, including the fact that the FCC has fought multiple legal battles in federal court to preserve Net Neutrality regulations.  Their most recent loss, which legally required them to generate the new rules described above, came just three months ago:

Quote from: The New York Times
WASHINGTON — Internet service providers are free to make deals with services like Netflix or Amazon allowing those companies to pay to stream their products to online viewers through a faster, express lane on the web, a federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday.

Federal regulators had tried to prevent those deals, saying they would give large, rich companies an unfair edge in reaching consumers. But since the Internet is not considered a utility under federal law, the court said, it is not subject to regulations banning the arrangements.

Some deals could come soon. In challenging the 2010 regulations at issue in the case, Verizon told the court that if not for the rules by the Federal Communications Commission, “we would be exploring those commercial arrangements.”


Emphasis mine.  The decision was handed down by the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, the second-most powerful and influential judicial body in the country...and one that Republicans have gone to unprecedented lengths to prevent President Obama from filling vacant seats.  From just five months ago:

Quote from: The Guardian
Senate Republicans have again blocked a candidate nominated by Barack Obama for a vacancy in the second most powerful court in the US.

Robert Wilkins, a district judge in Washington, is the president's third consecutive nominee to the US court for appeals for the District of Columbia circuit to have been blocked.

The Senate voted 53-38 in favour of ending Republican-led delays, falling seven votes short of the 60 needed to advance Wilkins' nomination. Two Republican senators, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine, voted with the Democrats.

The GOP is seeking to prevent President Obama's nominees from filling any of the three vacancies on the 11-seat court, over concerns it would affect its Republican bent.


Note that that the 60 vote "requirement" to advance the nomination existed because of the standing filibuster Republicans enacted against *all* of Obama's judicial appointments.  They deemed any attempt to fill a judicial vacancy as "court packing."  See here for an excellent summary, as well as here and here for more examples throughout the year.

Does learning more about the backstory here do anything to adjust your "Fuck Obama!" conclusion?

-Autistic Angel
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2014, 11:38:33 PM »

Quote from: Default on April 24, 2014, 11:11:49 PM

Quote from: ATB on April 24, 2014, 10:13:33 PM

Quote from: th'FOOL on April 24, 2014, 09:36:49 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 24, 2014, 06:39:48 PM

Quote from: Andrew Wonser on April 24, 2014, 06:28:39 PM

Well it's pretty much confirmed that net neutrality is dead. Hooray for closed door promises and lobbyists becoming policy makers and policy makers becoming lobbyists.

Yep, I am pretty liberal, but honestly with this, f*** Obama. No different than any other politician, appointing a lobbyist to the head of the FCC was BS, now we the consumers get the brunt of the costs yet again while the businesses prosper.

I've long been of the opinion that the majority of our elected officials across the board on both the local and federal levels have been bought and sold for years.

This is the truth.

More here.

http://benswann.com/princeton-study-declares-u-s-government-an-oligarchy/

Thanks for saving me the trouble of linking to that study, but curse you for taking my post!  icon_confused

Of course it's all about what's best for the oligarchs, as always.
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« Reply #15 on: Today at 12:07:06 AM »

Quote from: Autistic Angel on April 24, 2014, 11:27:03 PM

Does learning more about the backstory here do anything to adjust your "Fuck Obama!" conclusion?

Not even slightly. You failed to tell me anything I hadn't already read about (or is relevant to the newest news on the subject).
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« Reply #16 on: Today at 12:44:05 AM »

Quote from: Lee on Today at 12:07:06 AM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on April 24, 2014, 11:27:03 PM

Does learning more about the backstory here do anything to adjust your "Fuck Obama!" conclusion?

Not even slightly. You failed to tell me anything I hadn't already read about (or is relevant to the newest news on the subject).


I would contend that knowing these new FCC regulations are the direct result of a court order is extremely relevant to the topic of new FCC regulations.

After fighting and losing those court cases, what would you have had the Obama administration do to

a) satisfy your desire to enforce Net Neutrality regulations, and

b) remain in accordance with the DC Court of Appeals decision that Net Neutrality regulations may no longer be legally enforced?

-Autistic Angel
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« Reply #17 on: Today at 01:57:08 AM »

No, the current, former lobbyist for the industry, decided to change the FCC's standpoint on the issue.
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« Reply #18 on: Today at 02:23:47 AM »

I've spent some time documenting why those changes are coming down the pipe, including direct links to external sources.  If my understanding is incorrect, I'll be glad to look at your evidence.

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« Reply #19 on: Today at 03:06:13 AM »

Quote from: Autistic Angel on Today at 02:23:47 AM

I've spent some time documenting why those changes are coming down the pipe, including direct links to external sources.  If my understanding is incorrect, I'll be glad to look at your evidence.

That's because you choose not to read the articles that are out there that point out what the options were and how things could be handled. I don't care enough to get in a link by link, line by line argument with you. You can go to just about any tech site and read what happened. If you feel the FCC had no choice, great for you, no one else agrees with you of course.

The president but a lobbyist in a position of power of the industry that he lobbied for, if you don't see the conflict of interest, well then...I have nothing to say to you anyway.
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