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« Reply #640 on: January 01, 2014, 11:37:03 PM »

Finally saw it today.  Liked it a lot.  Smaug was awesome.  The movie is much faster paced than the first one and the 2 hours and 40 mins went by surprisingly fast.  The movie also seemed to have a bit more serious tone and while there were some amusing bits in the fight scenes, they werent played as much towards the comedy side as the first movie.   All in all I felt it was better than the first ( and I liked the first one )   I think the final movie, based on where they leave off in Desolation, will deal with a lot more of the peripheral story lines, which is fine by me.  It should help fill in a lot of the background that links the happenings in The Hobbit to The LOTR, something that the books themselves never did.
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« Reply #641 on: January 02, 2014, 02:01:38 AM »

Saw it this week. Loved it. I think I may end up liking these movies even more than the LOTR trilogy (which I love). It's nice to not endure constant doom and gloom which gets ponderous on repeated viewings. Plus, Bilbo is so much more likable then Frodo. Thinking about it, I've also always preferred the Hobbit book to the LOTR book trilogy as well.... Hmmmm....
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« Reply #642 on: January 02, 2014, 02:04:18 AM »

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Saw it this week. Loved it. I think I may end up liking these movies even more than the LOTR trilogy (which I love). It's nice to not endure constant doom and gloom which gets ponderous on repeated viewings. Plus, Bilbo is so much more likable then Frodo. Thinking about it, I've also always preferred the Hobbit book to the LOTR book trilogy as well.... Hmmmm....

I think a lot of the Bilbo vs Frodo thing is due to Martin Freeman.  He is simply rocking the role of Bilbo. 
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« Reply #643 on: January 02, 2014, 03:58:13 AM »

K, but the recursion thing with the Eye of Sauron? Watch out! #fractalofevil
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« Reply #644 on: January 02, 2014, 01:18:40 PM »

One thing that really bothered me was Legolas' eyes. Every time they showed him they had the blue contacts cranked up to 11. It was like Peter Jackson was going "Look at his eyes. They're blue! Blue as the motherflippin sky! LOOK AT THEM!

Yet in the LOTR trilogy they are not that blue. In fact, in many scenes they're so dark they almost look brown. If you're going to insert a well-known character in your prequels, at least have some consistency.
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« Reply #645 on: January 02, 2014, 06:28:37 PM »

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One thing that really bothered me was Legolas' eyes. Every time they showed him they had the blue contacts cranked up to 11. It was like Peter Jackson was going "Look at his eyes. They're blue! Blue as the motherflippin sky! LOOK AT THEM!

Yet in the LOTR trilogy they are not that blue. In fact, in many scenes they're so dark they almost look brown. If you're going to insert a well-known character in your prequels, at least have some consistency.

Agreed, both my wife and I were freaked out by that. Maybe legolas will have his eyes burned by dragon fire or something in the next movie...
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« Reply #646 on: January 02, 2014, 08:46:26 PM »

I tried to go into this being open to just enjoying the ride, but man... I just can't do it.  My disappointment from movie one continues in movie 2.  I was encouraged by reviews that said this was a better film, but while maybe the overall rollercoaster was better executed than film 1, it lacked the really great scenes that film 1 managed to include around all of it's idiotic shit beard and CGI rock monsters.

My complaints, in order of importance:

1. They are taking a very short book and adding a bunch of stuff into it.  I don't have an issue with this per se, but it drives me up the wall when they give short shrift to things that are actually in the book and important to the development of characters in order to make more time for their invented shit, particularly if they can turn something about character into a huge action set piece.

Case in point: Spider scene.

Case in point: Bjorn. The way Gandalf foists the band on Bjorn, and how it's exactly what he did to Bilbo at the beginning of the book (and one of the best parts of film one!), it's funny... and they turned it into them running into his house uninvited and slamming the door... and then remove all of their interaction with him. Boo!

Case in point: Turning Bilbo's repeated conversations with Smaug into one action set piece.

2. I just don't feel like much care was taken with anything, and that source material aside the are just sorta weak films that just rush from action set piece to action set piece with little regard for characters or story or motivation or depth.  I think that the criticism often has so much to do with comparisons to the source material that it's hard to just judge them on their own merits, but doing so, they are the fantasy equivalent of Michael Bay... I think some of that crappiness is covered up by good casting, and the occasional interlude that lifts almost directly from the source material and ends up being great (e.g. events at Bag End and Gollum, which were both great).  I keep harping on it, but turning everything into an over-the-top action sequence just pissed me off.

I will, as I did with the first, give it another try on home video to see if my ire softens on a second viewing, but... man.
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« Reply #647 on: January 02, 2014, 09:15:43 PM »

Kratz, I totally agree.

These films are not The Hobbit - they are LOTR Ep.1 and Ep.2.
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« Reply #648 on: January 02, 2014, 10:04:02 PM »

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Case in point: Bjorn. The way Gandalf foists the band on Bjorn, and how it's exactly what he did to Bilbo at the beginning of the book (and one of the best parts of film one!), it's funny... and they turned it into them running into his house uninvited and slamming the door... and then remove all of their interaction with him. Boo!



Yeah that upset me when i saw the film as well,'Queer Lodgings' is like the second biggest chapter in the book,but the Theatrical version was quite pointless,PJ has promised us more of him in the Extended Version..so there is that to look forward to,but as you said,it won't be like the books introduction where Gandalf is explaining the adventure they have had and introducing the Dwarves 2 by 2 to Beorn as we have already seen them break in,but i guess it would be like you mentioned,too much like what happened in the first movie(except they cut that short as well by having them all fall into Bilbos house when he opened the door)


However,like JCC,i am loving these films more than LOTR at the moment,maybe because i have watched LOTR a million and one times and maybe a little burned out on them,and i am hungry for more Middle Earth,right now from the first two films these feel like the perfect companion films to LOTR...kinda gutted that Hobbit 3 got put back to its original release date Dec 2014 instead of June or July whenever it was first moved
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« Reply #649 on: January 02, 2014, 10:52:13 PM »

I get the complaints of Kratz and others completely. They are definitely adding tons of stuff that was never in the books and are only adhering to the main plot points vs details from the books.

I think as I have gotten older and (less) wiser, I have lightened up a lot on movie adaptations of books. I have come to understand that what makes a good movie/tv show is not always the same thing that makes a good book. So, I don't obsess over strict adherence to the original material and try to enjoy a movie for what it is. Often I find I end up liking the movie(s) better than the book(s). That certainly applies in my case to Game of Thrones, The Hunger Games, and so far all of the LOTR/Hobbit movies. I should admit I am not the biggest fan of the books in all of those examples. I liked them but didn't love them, but I tended to enjoy the movie versions significantly more.

This is definitely true of Tolkien. I certainly appreciate how innovative he was propelling the high fantasy genre almost into existence or certainly laying the framework for what it is today. But, I find his books boring - especially Lord of the Rings. I actually enjoyed the LOTR books better AFTER I saw the movies. So anyway, not holding the source material in such high regard probably makes it easier for me to not hold the looseness of the movie adaptations.

Another example is the Steig Larsen books (Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, etc.) I enjoyed the books to a point, but I absolutely love the Swedish movie adaptations. In fact, the 2nd movie is probably my favorite and it was based on my least favorite book! I enjoyed the Hollywood adaptation of the first book as well to a lesser extent (this isn't a knock on it, I thought it was VERY well done) and it was (shockingly) more strictly adherent to the books than the Swedish movies were!

On the other hand, I used to rail at all the wretched attempts at Stephen King movies back in the day, so I get where you guys are coming from. smile
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« Reply #650 on: January 02, 2014, 10:58:17 PM »

Bilbo Baggins, IIRC, never had a "my precious" moment himself. It simply wasn't a thing, and his entire time with Smaug was pretty much veiled as invisible. I was worried that it would be in that stupid half-world view with the roaring black-and-white wind.

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Turns out, they found a worse way to deal with it by tacking on an action scene during what was supposed to be an encounter where the dragon was trying to figure out riddles.

Bag End indeed.
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« Reply #651 on: January 03, 2014, 12:58:04 AM »

Quote from: JCC on January 02, 2014, 10:52:13 PM

I get the complaints of Kratz and others completely. They are definitely adding tons of stuff that was never in the books and are only adhering to the main plot points vs details from the books.

I think as I have gotten older and (less) wiser, I have lightened up a lot on movie adaptations of books. I have come to understand that what makes a good movie/tv show is not always the same thing that makes a good book. So, I don't obsess over strict adherence to the original material and try to enjoy a movie for what it is. Often I find I end up liking the movie(s) better than the book(s). That certainly applies in my case to Game of Thrones, The Hunger Games, and so far all of the LOTR/Hobbit movies. I should admit I am not the biggest fan of the books in all of those examples. I liked them but didn't love them, but I tended to enjoy the movie versions significantly more.

This is definitely true of Tolkien. I certainly appreciate how innovative he was propelling the high fantasy genre almost into existence or certainly laying the framework for what it is today. But, I find his books boring - especially Lord of the Rings. I actually enjoyed the LOTR books better AFTER I saw the movies. So anyway, not holding the source material in such high regard probably makes it easier for me to not hold the looseness of the movie adaptations.

Another example is the Steig Larsen books (Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, etc.) I enjoyed the books to a point, but I absolutely love the Swedish movie adaptations. In fact, the 2nd movie is probably my favorite and it was based on my least favorite book! I enjoyed the Hollywood adaptation of the first book as well to a lesser extent (this isn't a knock on it, I thought it was VERY well done) and it was (shockingly) more strictly adherent to the books than the Swedish movies were!

On the other hand, I used to rail at all the wretched attempts at Stephen King movies back in the day, so I get where you guys are coming from. smile

I have tried to read The Hobbit a half a dozen times.  The only Tolkein book I was able to finish was Fellowship, a few months before the movie.  I leaned over to my wife at one point in the movie where they were walking across a plain and said, "This was twenty pages in the book."  I wasn't really kidding.

My child desperately wanted to read the Hobbit, but settled for Fellowship.  She just couldn't do it.  Today I was playing games at a friend's house.  He also is freaking out about destroying the source material (in such an overwrought way that it's comical).  My kid was there and mentioned giving up on the book.  I told her she just has to skip the songs.  I thought he was going to faint.
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« Reply #652 on: January 03, 2014, 01:05:46 AM »

Yes, Tolkien was horrid at getting to the point - it seems like Peter Jackson suffers the same ailment.

The Hobbit was not the same as LOTR. I had never finished LOTR until I was adult. The Hobbit was a pretty easy read, and there was far more "adventure" in its telling.
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I actually thought the Hollywood Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was vastly superior to the Swedish films... and maybe better than the book in that I think it nailed the Lisbeth character in a way that even Larsen didn't quite understand. I felt the Swedish films were really weak.


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« Reply #654 on: January 03, 2014, 01:52:47 AM »

I've read the Hobbit and LotR trilogy enough times -mostly to children- that I've lost count. Having read it that many times I couldn't care less how much The Hobbit diverges from the original story. I was more concerned about content being dropped in the 1st trilogy movies and was miffed a bit when Tom Bombadil and the barrow wraiths sections weren't there in the Fellowship. As long as the extra content adds something and doesn't drag on too much I'm OK with it. So far I've enjoyed both movies, so it's worked for me.
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« Reply #655 on: January 03, 2014, 03:13:26 AM »

I was relieved when the useless tom bombadil portions were cut. But, that was nothing compared to how happy I was that the completely anticlimactic scouring of the shire was excised. That add on to the ending just sucked.
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« Reply #656 on: January 03, 2014, 03:42:49 AM »

Wot! Useless! How could anyone think stuff like this was useless:

"Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!
Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow!
Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!"


Besides all that fun, didn't he have a meth lab and psylicybe mushroom farm in his basement? I mean the guy was the most fun character in the entire trilogy.  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #657 on: January 03, 2014, 04:50:06 AM »

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« Reply #658 on: January 03, 2014, 08:51:42 AM »

Quote from: JCC on January 03, 2014, 03:13:26 AM

I was relieved when the useless tom bombadil portions were cut. But, that was nothing compared to how happy I was that the completely anticlimactic scouring of the shire was excised. That add on to the ending just sucked.

I am complete opposite,i absolutely loved the Scouring of the Shire,gutted that he left it out of the movie..instead we got half a dozen false endings instead icon_confused
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« Reply #659 on: January 03, 2014, 01:29:18 PM »

Quote from: metallicorphan on January 03, 2014, 08:51:42 AM

Quote from: JCC on January 03, 2014, 03:13:26 AM

I was relieved when the useless tom bombadil portions were cut. But, that was nothing compared to how happy I was that the completely anticlimactic scouring of the shire was excised. That add on to the ending just sucked.

I am complete opposite,i absolutely loved the Scouring of the Shire,gutted that he left it out of the movie..instead we got half a dozen false endings instead icon_confused

And this is why it is so difficult to translate books to movie format and actually please everyone. 
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« Reply #660 on: January 07, 2014, 08:04:06 PM »

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Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic:    $230,360,654      30.4%
+ Foreign:    $527,000,000      69.6%
= Worldwide:    $757,360,654   

In Release:    25 days / 3.6 weeks

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« Reply #661 on: February 15, 2014, 11:47:30 AM »

just an update on how this film is doing now that its pretty much starting to stop playing in a lot of countries

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Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic:    $255,625,377      29.8%
+ Foreign:    $602,700,000      70.2%
= Worldwide:    $858,325,377   

In Release:    63 days / 9 weeks


So not as great as the $1 billion Hobbit 1,but the film is set to release in China next week and Japan the week after,so i can certainly see it breaking $900 mill which is no bad tally

Kinda wish the July 2014 date was still up for Hobbit 3 instead of being moved back to December(where it was originally),because then we would have the Extended Edition of Hobbit 2 earlier
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« Reply #662 on: April 20, 2014, 05:04:48 AM »

Just saw this tonight after receiving the Blu-ray for my birthday.  What a fucking disappointment. 

I didn't particularly like the first Hobbit movie but was hoping this would be better due to some of the things I had heard.  So many times I was shaking my head saying "what?  why?  no..."  No.  Just...no. 
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« Reply #663 on: April 20, 2014, 07:39:31 AM »

I have to agree. I liked the first movie, but this one just left a sour taste in my mouth. Almost every action scene was completely devoid of tension, and instead felt like a Saturday morning cartoon. Those same scenes served no purpose beyond padding the story either. I'm particularly annoyed at the barrel sequence and the showdown with Smaug. The latter made Smaug look like a drooling idiot, removing all sense of danger from his personality after what started as a proper introduction.

In the first movie, the padding wasn't bad because almost all of it served some kind of purpose for the story. That's not the case in the second movie, where padding happens for padding's sake.
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« Reply #664 on: April 22, 2014, 12:31:44 AM »

Having never read the books, I nonetheless got to thinkin' .........

where would Smaug fall in the grand scheme of things if Sauron succeeded? Surely Sauron would have a hard time defeating him.

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« Reply #665 on: April 22, 2014, 01:42:43 AM »

I sat through the first one on DVD a couple of months ago. It was overlong, obviously, but not as tedious as I'd been led to expect. I don't know if I'll subject myself to the second one or not.

Probably. But I won't like it.
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« Reply #666 on: April 24, 2014, 02:50:44 PM »

From Peter Jackson

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Our journey to make The Hobbit Trilogy has been in some ways like Bilbo's own, with hidden paths revealing their secrets to us as we've gone along. “There and Back Again” felt like the right name for the second of a two film telling of the quest to reclaim Erebor, when Bilbo’s arrival there, and departure, were both contained within the second film. But with three movies, it suddenly felt misplaced—after all, Bilbo has already arrived “there” in the "Desolation of Smaug".
When we did the premiere trip late last year, I had a quiet conversation with the studio about the idea of revisiting the title. We decided to keep an open mind until a cut of the film was ready to look at. We reached that point last week, and after viewing the movie, we all agreed there is now one title that feels completely appropriate.
And so: "The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies" it is.
As Professor Tolkien intended, “There and Back Again” encompasses Bilbo’s entire adventure, so don’t be surprised if you see it used on a future box-set of all three movies.
Before then however, we have a film to finish, and much to share with you. It’s been a nice quiet time for us—Jabez and I happily editing away in a dark cave in Wellington—but those halcyon days are quickly coming to an end. It will soon be time to step into the light. Expect to see and hear much about The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies in the coming months.
And there’s also The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug Extended Cut, which we’re in the process of finishing, with over 25 mins of new scenes, all scored with original music composed by Howard Shore.
It’ll be a fun year!
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« Reply #667 on: April 24, 2014, 06:47:51 PM »

Why did I buy the theater edition when there is an extended cut version coming out? Bastards. (I liked both movies, unlike everyone else it seems).
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« Reply #668 on: April 25, 2014, 01:19:57 PM »

Quote from: Lee on April 24, 2014, 06:47:51 PM

Why did I buy the theater edition when there is an extended cut version coming out? Bastards. (I liked both movies, unlike everyone else it seems).

Yeah, I always wait for the Extended Edition, which is hard to do, but I always want the added stuff.
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« Reply #669 on: April 25, 2014, 04:33:33 PM »

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Why did I buy the theater edition when there is an extended cut version coming out? Bastards. (I liked both movies, unlike everyone else it seems).

You're not alone. I liked both movies as well. I enjoyed the second more than the first due to the greater amount of action and Smaug.

I went into the Hobbit films with a "LOTR-lite" mentality, and that's how I've enjoyed them. I know a lot of people don't like the changes from the books, but it's been so long since I read them that it no longer bothers me. The books will always be the books, nothing's going to change that.
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« Reply #670 on: April 25, 2014, 04:56:23 PM »

Quote from: YellowKing on April 25, 2014, 04:33:33 PM

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Why did I buy the theater edition when there is an extended cut version coming out? Bastards. (I liked both movies, unlike everyone else it seems).

You're not alone. I liked both movies as well. I enjoyed the second more than the first due to the greater amount of action and Smaug.

I went into the Hobbit films with a "LOTR-lite" mentality, and that's how I've enjoyed them. I know a lot of people don't like the changes from the books, but it's been so long since I read them that it no longer bothers me. The books will always be the books, nothing's going to change that.

Yep, that is me as well. I went in expecting something light hearted and that's what I got. I also don't remember the book much, but I don't remember it being particularly epic either.

I could say that I could have done without the whole love story in the second one, but I probably already said that in this thread. icon_wink
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« Reply #671 on: April 25, 2014, 10:48:31 PM »

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Quote from: YellowKing on April 25, 2014, 04:33:33 PM

Quote from: Lee
Why did I buy the theater edition when there is an extended cut version coming out? Bastards. (I liked both movies, unlike everyone else it seems).

You're not alone. I liked both movies as well. I enjoyed the second more than the first due to the greater amount of action and Smaug.

I went into the Hobbit films with a "LOTR-lite" mentality, and that's how I've enjoyed them. I know a lot of people don't like the changes from the books, but it's been so long since I read them that it no longer bothers me. The books will always be the books, nothing's going to change that.

Yep, that is me as well. I went in expecting something light hearted and that's what I got. I also don't remember the book much, but I don't remember it being particularly epic either.

I could say that I could have done without the whole love story in the second one, but I probably already said that in this thread. icon_wink

I'm a fan of these movies, too.  I even liked the love story. 

I have a relatively new friend who I was talking to before the second movie came out, when I stepped on a nerd landmine.  In most respects, this guy is on the meeker side of the geek spectrum, but when I mentioned Desolation of Smaug in passing, he launched into this volcanic monologue about the books never having a love story or this character or that character.  I muttered something half hearted about the Silmarillion, but that didn't stem the tide at all.

Enough time had passed, and I recently felt comfortable making a crack about this scene.  He went into another tirade about the endless barrel scene.

On that, his biggest gripe was how long it went on, and I pointed out that this was almost a Jackson trademark to push a scene to its limits and then push it further until your almost annoyed with it, then push it again so that you turn around into bemused disbelief.  I specifically mentioned Dead Alive which does this to an incredible degree, constantly topping itself.  He actually said he could see that Jackson might have intended that.  Of course, I understand that this kind of self-topping might not be for everyone.
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« Reply #672 on: July 28, 2014, 07:14:44 PM »

Trailer for part 3

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Got to say it looks too somber and depressing for me.  I have thought that through the whole series though.  I don't think Jackson captured the child's adventure story part of the hobbit. 

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« Reply #673 on: July 29, 2014, 07:12:13 AM »

Quote from: farley2k on July 28, 2014, 07:14:44 PM

Got to say it looks too somber and depressing for me.  I have thought that through the whole series though.  I don't think Jackson captured the child's adventure story part of the hobbit. 

Ha, I think it looks good. I like somber and depressing, but I didn't think it looked that bad. I mean this is the big final battle with the dragon, and should be dramatic. Probably see it opening night.

Anyway, thanks for posting, I didn't realize the trailer was out.
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« Reply #674 on: July 29, 2014, 06:07:22 PM »

Quote from: Lee on April 24, 2014, 06:47:51 PM

Why did I buy the theater edition when there is an extended cut version coming out? Bastards. (I liked both movies, unlike everyone else it seems).

Meh, I have little to no interest in the extended cuts of Jackson's LotR or Hobbit movies. To me the theatrical cuts were already plenty long enough. I've viewed all the extended cuts at friends or relatives and really wasn't wowed by any of the extended content. And I'm saying that being a person that read everything Tolkien in his teen years, including his biography and the decidedly dry Silmarillion.
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« Reply #675 on: July 29, 2014, 06:32:46 PM »

Quote from: kronovan on July 29, 2014, 06:07:22 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 24, 2014, 06:47:51 PM

Why did I buy the theater edition when there is an extended cut version coming out? Bastards. (I liked both movies, unlike everyone else it seems).

Meh, I have little to no interest in the extended cuts of Jackson's LotR or Hobbit movies. To me the theatrical cuts were already plenty long enough. I've viewed all the extended cuts at friends or relatives and really wasn't wowed by any of the extended content. And I'm saying that being a person that read everything Tolkien in his teen years, including his biography and the decidedly dry Silmarillion.

Hmm, I think the extended versions are much better. I couldn't give you an example off the top of my head because it's been a couple of years since I watched them, but I thought they filled in some holes and made the movies flow a bit better, as well as just some neat little atmosphere clips. Of course that could just be my selective memory.

Anyway, in a theater, anything over 2 hours is too long, but at home? Heck I have watched 10 hours of HBO shows in one day easily (Boardwalk Empires).
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