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Question: DISH / DIRECT TV or cable?
DISH / DIRECT TV - 20 (36.4%)
Cable - 21 (38.2%)
Rabbit Ears - 4 (7.3%)
I Live in a Cave - 2 (3.6%)
Too Busy Masturbating to Porn on the PC - 8 (14.5%)
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« on: September 05, 2008, 12:47:05 AM »

I'm currently a TW subscriber.  Not only do I not get a lot of HDTV (I own a 720 TV) channels, what I do get isn't the best.  Discovery HD and a couple of the free movie channels are good, but every weekend the HDTV NFL games are blocked out.  Their service is expensive and I don't feel I get enough for my dough. 

On the upside, I don't have any equipment to install and I've heard mixed results about the DISH/DIRECT TV signals in terms of quality.  Besides, my cable modem is through TW.  I thinking of changing, though...so what's your take on the great debate of our time?
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2008, 12:53:41 AM »

I have Dish Network.  I love it.  I was going to go with DirecTV when I moved into this house, but they refused to rent me their HD-DVR without me having to pay a non-refundable $299 one-time fee.  I told them to shove it where the sun don't shine.

I had previous experience with Dish Network, and they welcomed me back with open arms.  They are also now catching up with DirecTV as far as HD channels are concerned.  Another huge plus is that I can plug in a USB HDD into the box and back up my recorded shows to my drive.  How cool is that?

My only gripe with Dish is that I can only record or view one HD channel at a time.  If I'm recording an HD show and I want to watch another, I'm fucked.  I have to watch it in SD, which is no biggie, really.  Also, as with any other satellite company, you will probably lose signal during a storm, though that's gotten much better in the past few years.

Other than that, I'm really happy with their service.  The picture quality is top-notch, and the channel selection is among the best out there.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2008, 01:16:37 AM »

I was a DirecTV subscriber for a number of years and found their service reasonable - they (and perhaps Dish) have much better access to the local fox sports stations than the cable companies.  My primary motivation was the ability to get Fox Sports NW.  icon_biggrin

Currently, I have fios through Verizon and it's fantastic; the prices for their triple-play option are pretty compelling and the HD channels look universally great on my LCD.  Is that an option in your area?
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2008, 01:19:35 AM »

I switched to Dish a couple of years ago, and while it's not perfect, it's far better than the Comcast service I had before.

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My only gripe with Dish is that I can only record or view one HD channel at a time.  If I'm recording an HD show and I want to watch another, I'm fucked.  I have to watch it in SD, which is no biggie, really.
That's weird... what model is your receiver?
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2008, 01:38:48 AM »

I went with the porn option, because most of my leisure time is on the PC, surfing the web, chatting, etc. I watch little to no TV, and have almost no interest in sports. I download the few TV shows that I want to watch, like Lost, The Office, etc.

I love movies, and I watch them regularly and have a large collection, but I don't care much about TV.
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2008, 04:46:10 AM »

I just got AT&T U-Verse installed today, and so far I love it!  Not only am I paying $40/month cheaper than I was with Rapecast, but I also get a movie channel package (Encore, Starz, Sho, TMC), a 2nd receiver for my SD TV in the back, a modem that has a wireless router built in (and is very snappy, I might add), $200 cash back after a month for switching via the internet, and more HD channels that I actually want to watch on a regular basis.  In addition to all of that, I can program my DVR via the internet, discovered that I could plug my 360 directly into the ethernet port of my TV receiver and toss the wireless bridge aside, hide channels in my receiver guide that I never watch (and the UI is MUCH better), and apparently sometime next month, I'll be able to access the programs on my DVR from the secondary receiver.

On top of all that, the picture on both TVs look much crisper and vibrant than anything I've ever had before.  biggrin
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2008, 04:52:26 AM »

ATT UVerse for me....I don't see an option for it up there in the poll.
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2008, 06:27:24 AM »

I have Cox for cable TV and internet.

My TV service involves HBO, their digital sports tier, and an HD DVR.

I have 36 HD channels currently (was 38 when the Olympics were in session).

They are the following: HBO, HD Theatre, NBC, Fox, WB, ABC, CNN, CBS, MOJO, Golf Channel/VS (same channel), Universal HD, TNT, MTV, ESPN, ESPN2, NFL, National Geographic, A&E, My Network TV, TBS, Food Network, HGTV, TLC, PBS, Discovery, History, The Science Channel, Animal Planet, NHL Network, Travel Channel, Comcast SportsNet (Washington DC regional sports network), USA, Bravo, Sci-Fi, CNBC, and Lifetime.

Not a shabby lineup, and is far better than what was available even a year ago.  There are also Showtime, Starz, and Cinemax HD channels, but since I don't subscribe to the services, I don't get them.

Given that I live in a high rise condo building, cable is my only option.  I'm not disappointed, however.
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2008, 12:50:29 PM »

AT&T's UVerse here. And I echo th'FOOL. Great service so far.
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2008, 12:51:48 PM »

Quote from: leo8877 on September 05, 2008, 04:52:26 AM

ATT UVerse for me....I don't see an option for it up there in the poll.

Hadn't even heard about it, frankly.
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2008, 01:08:10 PM »

DirecTV for the past six years and I've generally been very happy with them.  Cox is the alternative for cable in my area and after using the hideous DVRs of my friends and families get from Cox, I would never go with their service. 
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2008, 01:14:05 PM »

DirecTV for me too.

I used to have Time Warner which I thought was fine.  But I switched for the NFL Sunday Ticket and access to more HD channels.

We do lose the HD channels during heavy rain storms though, so I am kind of dreading my first winter with the service.  If we lose the service HD during all of frequent Cleveland snow storms I'm switching back to cable.
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2008, 02:29:15 PM »

Quote from: Blackadar on September 05, 2008, 12:51:48 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on September 05, 2008, 04:52:26 AM

ATT UVerse for me....I don't see an option for it up there in the poll.

Hadn't even heard about it, frankly.

I just looked into it.  I may be switching to it just for Sci-Fi HD and the History Channel HD.

[edit]  Do U-Verse DVR's have a HDMI port?
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2008, 02:37:18 PM »

Quote from: denoginizer on September 05, 2008, 01:14:05 PM

We do lose the HD channels during heavy rain storms though

...and this is why we have cable - if my wife misses a single episode of Grey's Anatomy, I'd be dead. I've actually bought episodes off iTunes when the DVR has screwed up or the show has been preempted. It may have been Desperate Housewives, whichever.
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2008, 02:46:04 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on September 05, 2008, 02:29:15 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on September 05, 2008, 12:51:48 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on September 05, 2008, 04:52:26 AM

ATT UVerse for me....I don't see an option for it up there in the poll.

Hadn't even heard about it, frankly.

I just looked into it.  I may be switching to it just for Sci-Fi HD and the History Channel HD.

[edit]  Do U-Verse DVR's have a HDMI port?

Yes, but I think you have to ask for it specifically before the install.  Also, when I had it, they had issues with HDMI with signal loss, audio mis-sync, etc.  You may want to ask about that before you take the plunge.
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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2008, 02:51:28 PM »

Quote from: coopasonic on September 05, 2008, 02:37:18 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on September 05, 2008, 01:14:05 PM

We do lose the HD channels during heavy rain storms though

...and this is why we have cable - if my wife misses a single episode of Grey's Anatomy, I'd be dead. I've actually bought episodes off iTunes when the DVR has screwed up or the show has been preempted. It may have been Desperate Housewives, whichever.

We still get the standard def signal so there isn't much danger of missing shows entirely.  Also wife generally can't tell the difference between HD and SD so she doesn't care that much.  But it drives me crazy when it happens.
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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2008, 02:55:39 PM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on September 05, 2008, 04:46:10 AM

, and apparently sometime next month, I'll be able to access the programs on my DVR from the secondary receiver.



Don't latch onto that.  They've been saying that for over a year.

With that said, UVerse is absolutley awesome.
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2008, 02:56:28 PM »

Quote from: rickfc on September 05, 2008, 02:46:04 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on September 05, 2008, 02:29:15 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on September 05, 2008, 12:51:48 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on September 05, 2008, 04:52:26 AM

ATT UVerse for me....I don't see an option for it up there in the poll.

Hadn't even heard about it, frankly.

I just looked into it.  I may be switching to it just for Sci-Fi HD and the History Channel HD.

[edit]  Do U-Verse DVR's have a HDMI port?

Yes, but I think you have to ask for it specifically before the install.  Also, when I had it, they had issues with HDMI with signal loss, audio mis-sync, etc.  You may want to ask about that before you take the plunge.

All of their DVR's have HDMI.  Don't know what Rick is talking about.
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2008, 02:58:11 PM »

Sorry one more thing, th'Fool, go to www.uverseusers.com for news. 
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2008, 03:03:06 PM »

Quote from: naednek on September 05, 2008, 02:56:28 PM

Quote from: rickfc on September 05, 2008, 02:46:04 PM


Yes, but I think you have to ask for it specifically before the install.  Also, when I had it, they had issues with HDMI with signal loss, audio mis-sync, etc.  You may want to ask about that before you take the plunge.

All of their DVR's have HDMI.  Don't know what Rick is talking about.

I may be wrong, hence the "I think".  It's been well over a year since I had U-Verse.  I was one of the first people in Houston to use the service, in fact.  I really liked the service while I had it other than the guide was pretty slow at times.
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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2008, 03:28:56 PM »

U-Verse is a new and still evolving service and it still has it's fair share of bugs. HDMI has worked fine for me, but others report that it sucks. Every once in a while they'll send out a software update that changes the default screen resolution and I have to switch it back. A couple of months ago an update caused me to have to re-boot the STB every time I turned it on. They need more HD channels and HD VOD. Internet is plenty fast enough for my needs and has not been out a single time in the past 6 months.

But I have every English language available plus second tier 'net service and it's cheaper that what I was paying TWC. SD channels look great and HD quality has gotten much better over the past few months. Sound is excellent through my Onkyo. I can record 4 channels at once (2 HD). I have HD NFL network for no extra cost. Going to order phone service this weekend now that it's available in my neck of the woods.

It has its rough edges, but if you don't mind being an early adopter of stuff I highly recommend it. I expect in a year or so it will be rock solid with many more features than it has now.

OK...enough of that. My iPhone is here. Time to play. icon_biggrin
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« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2008, 03:33:10 PM »

Quote from: LoneStarSpur on September 05, 2008, 03:28:56 PM

A couple of months ago an update caused me to have to re-boot the STB every time I turned it on.

THAT's the problem I was having with HDMI.  I couldn't remember exactly what the problems were, but they came out like 5 times to change the receivers and such, until one time the tech told me that it was the HDMI and I had to go to component to keep the box from resetting itself and so forth.

I'm glad to hear they've fixed that, apparently.  I'll have to look into it once the service becomes available in the area I'm in now.
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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2008, 03:57:46 PM »

DTV there is no other choice. Even if Comcast didn't suck.

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« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2008, 04:00:42 PM »

looking over the uverseusers forums it appears, according to a u-verse tech guy who posts there, that the HDMI issue is solved in the Rev. C receivers.
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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2008, 04:04:06 PM »

We have our phone, DSL internet, and Dish Network through AT&T.  Go to Dish Network and go to this page:

http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/our_products/dvr_receivers/index.shtml

Look at the ViP 722 DVR.  That is what we have.  Dual tuner DVR with plenty of space (55 hours HD, 350 SD), and the HDMI was recently upgraded to do 1080P.  The second output only does SD, but it does play HD recorded content.  This is great if you have an older TV, or a wife that doesn't care if it is HD or not.  You can also have the second TV anywhere in the house because the remote uses a UHF signal.  You can also set it up so that you can watch two TV programs on one TV at the same time.

The info for the TV shows shows the date of the recording, the time, if it is in HD, the episode title, the rating, the number of stars if it was a movie, the channel, the episode number, and the original air date.

If you see a program you like, you can have it record every show, new show, one time, weekly, daily, or Mon-Fri.  You can also set it to record X number of minutes early or after the show has completed.  For sports programs, it automatically records an extra hour after the program is scheduled to end.  You can record two programs at the same time, and you can watch something that is already recorded while recording something else.  You can also watch a program that started recording from the beginning and catch up with it.

The weather has to be really bad for the signal to go out.  No real issues here.

You can get local channels through a package, but you can hook up an antenna to the back and integrate it into your guide seamlessly.

If you have Caller ID, you can plug your phone into the back and when you get a call it will show up on the TV as you are watching.

The remote has a commercial skip button (goes forward 30 seconds).  It's a life saver when watching a DVR program.  I don't know if this is standard, but I thought that TiVo had to get a hack to use this feature.

It saves up to the last hour of TV that you can rewind back to.

You can save programs to an external drive through a USB port if you like, but I have been able to keep enough space on the system that I can record pretty much anything I want to do this.  There is a one-time fee for this functionality though.

If there is one complaint I have with it, the remote seems to have a slight delay, but you get used to it and really isn't that big of a deal.  Also, you can't get the NFL Sunday Ticket which may be a deal breaker, but it's not for me.  For the price we pay each month we get a good deal.
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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2008, 04:15:09 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on September 05, 2008, 02:29:15 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on September 05, 2008, 12:51:48 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on September 05, 2008, 04:52:26 AM

ATT UVerse for me....I don't see an option for it up there in the poll.

Hadn't even heard about it, frankly.

I just looked into it.  I may be switching to it just for Sci-Fi HD and the History Channel HD.

[edit]  Do U-Verse DVR's have a HDMI port?

Yep, mine does out here in Northern CA

Oh and wanted to add that I've been using Uverse since Feb of this year and I love it.  Besides the fact that I hate Comcast, I got a free year of HD, the DVR is included and the price is a billion times better than Comcast.  <3 Uverse!
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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2008, 04:07:45 AM »

Rabbit Ears!  I get one channel in beautiful HD and three channels in snow-o-vision.  I really don’t mind, this is more channels then I had growing up.
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