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Question: My Current or next 6 months TV is a:  (Voting closed: September 26, 2005, 04:47:35 PM)
HDTV, 1080P - 3 (8.6%)
HDTV, 1080i, 720p, 480p - 20 (57.1%)
Non-HDTV, 720p, 480p - 0 (0%)
HDTV, 720p, 480p - 2 (5.7%)
Non-HDTV, 480p - 1 (2.9%)
CRT - 8 (22.9%)
Other (explain) - 1 (2.9%)
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« on: September 26, 2005, 04:47:35 PM »

With the Xbox 360 and PS3 just around the corner (and the Revolution IN the corner, making wacky hand wavey motions)  it is time to talk about TVs.

Let's look at what they support:

Xbox 360:
- All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
- Component, Composite, S-Video, VGA


Playstation 3: (unconfirmed)
- All games supported at 16:0, 720p, and 1080i
- 1080p rumored, but may not be for all games?
- Component, Composite, S-Video, HDMI


Revolution: (unconfirmed)
From IGN FAQ with Nintendo of America's vice president of corporate affairs, Perrin Kaplan
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Q: Will Revolution support high-definition?

A: No. Nintendo is more focused on making Revolution small, quiet and affordable, according to company executives. As a result, it will not be able to output in the accepted 720p, 1080i and 1080p high-definition formats. It will, however, support 480p (progressive-scan), which means that it will once again be able to use component outputs.


Obviously, the 360, the Spider-Man..er...PS3, and the Revolution will work with a standard television, but will you be missing out?  Let's run a poll and find out!
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2005, 04:58:59 PM »

I've yet to see a need for a 1080p TV.  I will likely get one when the technology is more mature (read: cheaper), but I see no reason to replace my 52" baby right now.  She works just fine:



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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2005, 05:32:18 PM »

And here's my TV:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7015829&type=product&id=1099393182544

"LG 30" Flat-Tube Widescreen HDTV with HDMI Input"

It 'only' supports 480p, 720p, and 1080i, but I'm perfectly happy with my recent (bought last month) purchase. biggrin
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2005, 05:38:41 PM »

We've had like a 30" TV for the last five years that's still working fine.Even if it went bad we have a built in entertainment system and that's the biggest we could get in the slot anyway.
Plus,and I know it's blasphemous,I don't have a console nor am I interested in one. :oops:
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2005, 05:40:51 PM »

DLP Projector.

80 inch screen with HD, and cheap too!
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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2005, 05:42:32 PM »

We've had our 30" CRT for the last 8 years and it is still working fine.  It was just 'time' to upgrade. smile
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2005, 05:58:46 PM »

I have the same set as gellar and it's outstanding.  I won't buy games anymore that don't support 480p and widescreen.  Bring on the 360!

Just for the record (sorry for nitpicking) I don't think some of those options are valid.  A TV can't support 1080i and be non-HDTV, right?  I know there's the intermediate EDTV which only supports 720p, though.

EDTV = up to 720p
HDTV = up to 1080i/p
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2005, 06:00:54 PM »

I've got a 55" Mits HDTV in our living room that is for television and DVDs.  

Then, a little over a week ago, I picked up a 32" Panasonic HDTV for my "play room" that is primarily for gaming along with TV/DVD that my wife won't watch (most sci-fi stuff).
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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2005, 06:01:00 PM »

Did a lot of research this weekend, found some really ODD TVs out there.  I thought that the non-hd 1080i were among them but I may be incorrect. smile
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2005, 06:01:32 PM »

EDTV is only 480p (DVD resolution).

HDTV is either 720p or 1080i.

EDIT- and yes, a 1080i TV is the very definition of high definition (1080 lines of resolution).
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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2005, 06:04:41 PM »

Alright, in actually looking at the poll options, the choices really are seriously screwed up.

The following should be removed:

Non HDTV 1080i
Non HDTV 720p
HDTV 480p
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2005, 06:12:20 PM »

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Non HDTV 720p


Fixed, but I did see some non HDTV TVs this weekend that were 720p but were not billed as HD.  iirc they were the older rear-projection TVs.
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2005, 06:26:42 PM »

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Non HDTV 720p


Fixed, but I did see some non HDTV TVs this weekend that were 720p but were not billed as HD.  iirc they were the older rear-projection TVs.


Don't see how that's possible.  The technology (RPTV, CRT, LCD, DLP) doesn't define the resolution.   Displaying 720 lines of resolution means you can display a HD signal.

What you are probably confusing is HD-Ready versus sets that have a decoder already in them.  HD-Ready sets can't display high definition signals (720p or 1080i) without an external decoder.  Fortunately these decoders come in any HD cable or satellite set top box so the only people who need an internal decoder are those who will only be getting their high def feeds through antenna and nothing else.
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2005, 06:35:29 PM »

I knew it was something like that eith EDTV, thanks for the heads-up.

And just to further clarify for anyone in the market, the HD-Ready sets will display your games in high-resolution on their own (as long as the system and game support them of course).  The decoder is used for the TV signals only.
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2005, 06:36:01 PM »

Ah, perhaps that is it.  I was just checking the spec sheets on them as I went along and some of them didn't define that they were capable of that.  Perhaps that was because you needed an HD box.   Thanks for the .edu!
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2005, 07:39:29 PM »

My 32" Samsung HDTV can do 1080i put not 720p.  :cry:

I hope XBOX 360 games will be just as purty in 1080i.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2005, 07:50:41 PM »

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My 32" Samsung HDTV can do 1080i put not 720p.  :cry:

I hope XBOX 360 games will be just as purty in 1080i.


I wouldn't worry- 1080i televisions dominate the market so it will be incumbent upon devs to ensure that there games still hold up when put through the 360s scaler.  Anyone focusing only on 720p televisions will be focusing on the minority of the HDTV market.
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2005, 09:41:41 PM »

I've got a 43" Pioneer HDTV.  It's contributed to me sitting on my ass a whole lot more to look at the purty pictures.  It's only going to get worse when all the games come out in HD.
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2005, 09:47:25 PM »

I bought a 32" CRT HDTV three years ago, but the soon-to-be wife has already said we need a large (46-50") widescreen HDTV once we tie the knot.  I'd like to get a 1080p set in order to future-proof as much as possible, but that may be too cost-prohibitive
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2005, 10:01:15 PM »

I have the same TV as Captain Caveman 480p and 1080i HDTV Monitor.
The DynaFlat Series. I bought it when it came out in 2002.
It has 2 sets of component video ( AKA RGB ) so one set will go to my Xbox360 and one set goes to my Sony Progressive Scan DVD player.
No need to upgrade yet, but the plan is to upgrade in 2 years.

When I do upgrade I will be looking at 40' - 50' DLP 1080p supported TVs unless a better technology comes out between now and then.
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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2005, 12:05:28 AM »

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I bought a 32" CRT HDTV three years ago, but the soon-to-be wife has already said we need a large (46-50") widescreen HDTV


Does she have a sister?
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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2005, 04:02:47 AM »

I have a 52" Samsung Widescreen HDTV that supports 480p, 720p, and 1080i.  I have had it since December 2003, and it has been great for football games.
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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2005, 07:29:08 AM »

I watch tv on a 27" regular, standard, good 'ol fashioned color tv.  What can I say, it works for me.

I feel so behind the times.  :oops:

Yeah, I've seen the picture on HDtv, and yeah it kicks all kinds of ass.  But it always seems like I have other things I want to spend money on.  

I suppose I'll be one of those people who doesn't jump on the HDtv bandwagon until they cost about what a regular tv costs- ~$300.  To be honest I have no plans to buy a new tv until then, whenever that happens.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2005, 11:22:32 AM »

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I watch tv on a 27" regular, standard, good 'ol fashioned color tv.  What can I say, it works for me.

I feel so behind the times.  :oops:

Yeah, I've seen the picture on HDtv, and yeah it kicks all kinds of ass.  But it always seems like I have other things I want to spend money on.  

I suppose I'll be one of those people who doesn't jump on the HDtv bandwagon until they cost about what a regular tv costs- ~$300.  To be honest I have no plans to buy a new tv until then, whenever that happens.

Ding!  Ding!  Ding!  We have a winner!

Not that I wouldn't like one.  I would.  But there are just so many other things I want to/need to spend money on.
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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2005, 01:51:02 PM »

I need some help.  Big Time!

Here is what I want:  A tv that is about 42".  I want it to be an HDTV.  I want to spend around $2,000.  I don't have a clue the difference between "regular" HDTV, Plasma, and LCD.  

I want to use it to play my xbox360, dvd's, and regular old television.  I am getting (if need be) one of those HD-boxes from Comcast.

I am so incredibly clueless on what is good, bad, or whatever.  Please, any kind soul - help me.

Brand doesn't really matter, but let it at least be recognizable please.

Thanks.

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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2005, 02:10:36 PM »

I'd recommend a DLP HDTV at that price.  You can get some fantastic Samsung TVs for 2k that'll run 1080i easily.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7253447&type=product&id=1115366829183

I saw that one in person and it is beautiful. smile
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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2005, 03:37:08 PM »

DLP is the best technology available today.

It doesn't suffer from burn-in like Plasma TVs do.
It uses a single light source so you will not need to calibrate it, or have it calibrated by a TV tech.
It costs the same amount or less than Plasma TVs of the same size and quality.

BTW: you may want to check the stats on that TV in store or on manufacturers website as Best buy is showing max resolution as 720p but it accepts 1080i connections which would indicate that it may not actually produce 1080i

Here is a link that states max resolution of 1080i.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7071722&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat31800050029&id=1110265592179

I am a big fan of Samsung, however

Here is the spec sheet on the Samsungs:

http://product.samsung.com/SamsungUSA/PRODUCT/20050603/hlr_dlp_spec_6.PDF
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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2005, 05:03:52 PM »

In that price range I went with the Sony 42" rear projection LCD.  It fit my needs nicely, and the fact that I managed to get employee discount on it through someone, it was a no-brainer.  It looked great out of the box and I've not looked back.
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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2005, 05:22:00 PM »

I appreciate the help from everyone.  I don't really understand the difference between LCD and DLP.  Can someone give me a user-friendly answer to this.  Will I be able to notice a difference in picture quality between the two?    

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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2005, 05:54:35 PM »

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I appreciate the help from everyone.  I don't really understand the difference between LCD and DLP.  Can someone give me a user-friendly answer to this.  Will I be able to notice a difference in picture quality between the two?    

Thanks.


They're about the same.  At the price range you're looking at, DLP will have better black levels than LCD, but some folks have problems with DLP TVs cause they can actually SEE the spinning color wheel.  Go take a look at a DLP and if you see the wheel, get an LCD.

Also, when you do buy, www.onecall.com has great prices and service.

Toshiba and Samsung are solid choices.

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« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2005, 09:09:38 PM »

42" Dell EDTV plasma screen
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« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2005, 06:17:12 AM »

I have a sony 32inch trinitron. It does 480i,480p,720p,1080i, but no widescreen frown , but it still rocks! biggrin . I don`t mind no widescreen and it`s big enough for our small apartment living room. GREAT picture!
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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2005, 11:58:44 AM »

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I have a sony 32inch trinitron. It does 480i,480p,720p,1080i, but no widescreen frown , but it still rocks! biggrin . I don`t mind no widescreen and it`s big enough for our small apartment living room. GREAT picture!


I'm assuming that your monitor has an aspect ratio button to change between 4:3 and 16:9?  If so then you are still doing "widescreen."  Change the aspect ratio to 16:9 on the TV and make sure the video source (game console, DVD, etc) is also set up for 16:9 displays and you're in business.  

I bought a 32" HDTV for my gaming TV for just that reason- when watching widescreen content I get approximately a 30" screen.  However when watching standard content (which was important since I play a lot of older games) I'm getting 32" of picture.  If I had gone with the comparably priced 30" widescreen models then my widescreen picture wouldn't have been any bigger but standard content would only be 24" diagonal.  

As long as you're fine with black bars then I think 32" HDTVs are a great tradeoff if you'll spend a healthy portion of the time viewing non-HD material.
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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2005, 04:00:29 AM »

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I have a sony 32inch trinitron. It does 480i,480p,720p,1080i, but no widescreen frown , but it still rocks! biggrin . I don`t mind no widescreen and it`s big enough for our small apartment living room. GREAT picture!


I'm assuming that your monitor has an aspect ratio button to change between 4:3 and 16:9?  If so then you are still doing "widescreen."  Change the aspect ratio to 16:9 on the TV and make sure the video source (game console, DVD, etc) is also set up for 16:9 displays and you're in business.  

I bought a 32" HDTV for my gaming TV for just that reason- when watching widescreen content I get approximately a 30" screen.  However when watching standard content (which was important since I play a lot of older games) I'm getting 32" of picture.  If I had gone with the comparably priced 30" widescreen models then my widescreen picture wouldn't have been any bigger but standard content would only be 24" diagonal.  

As long as you're fine with black bars then I think 32" HDTVs are a great tradeoff if you'll spend a healthy portion of the time viewing non-HD material.


 Ya, I don`t mind the black bars at all really. It does have a 16:9 enhanced function or something or other. I just haven`t tried it out, I`m sure with the 360 I will though;)
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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2005, 02:47:45 PM »

I think all new widescreens have auto-stretch built in.  And some of them are really well done with whatever algorithms they use.  The one I have I can barely tell at all.   I think they usually stretch it more at the sides than in the middle or something.  People look slightly squatty sometimes, but it only takes a couple days to adjust to it.

I finally saw the rainbow effect on my DLP the other night while watching Sin City.  It's only noticable for me when there is a lot of bright white and I move my eyes very quickly to the side.  If I'm just watching normally there's no problem for me.
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« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2005, 09:26:22 PM »

The rainbow effect is the ONLY thing keeping me away from a DLP set. Otherwise, I'd grab a Toshiba in a heartbeat.
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